The Thing vs. Namor - The Submariner

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Betageuze
on land .. not in water... who will win this one ??

Wynndar
isnt there already a thread for this?

DarkCrawler
There is thread for Thing versus Aquaman...

And Namor wins this.

Wickerman
what the hell is it with all the "Thing" threads? i mean i like blue eyes, but come on, next up "Thing vs. Superman?"

~wickerman~

Wynndar
oh thats right...it was aquaman. IMO Present Thing would rock Namor..maybe hurt him bad...Namor was Thing's equal years ago when Thing was class 50...Today? Thing would F-him up.

Wickerman
Originally posted by Wynndar
oh thats right...it was aquaman. IMO Present Thing would rock Namor..maybe hurt him bad...Namor was Thing's equal years ago when Thing was class 50...Today? Thing would F-him up.

Namor is no idiot. He's not just a bully like Thing is. He has the most advanced technology on the planet and a brain to boot. Please remember that.

~wickerman~

K3VIL
Namor is faster, nearly tough as him, flight, exper aerial and ground combatant, years of experience above the thing, Class 90 of strenght, he can do the job.

Wynndar
Thing a bully? Thing is a much more moral character than Namor who has attempted to adulturate one of Thing's family members for years...Namor is a pompous fa&&ot...He would need tech, a whole army to fight present Thing...but if he were bold enough to fight present Thing one on one he would quickly get KO'd just like She Hulk did him a few years ago in FF. I know i know...."but Namor KO'd the Hulk!" so has the Thing, it doesnt matter though, fighting the Thing is nothing like fighting the Hulk. Namor truly does have better fighting skills than savage Hulk, but Thing has better fighting skills than both of them.

Tony Stark
IMO. big grin Just for you draco.

Per Marvel's site (marvel.com) it gives these rating which go from 0-7

Namor STR 6 DUR 6 Fighting skills 3

THING STR 6 DUR 6 Fighting skills 5

THOR STR 7 DUR 6 Fighting skills 4

So at least from their site as of 5/8/05 thats their stats.

IMO. cool The THING wins.

dawsey28
Dude, Namor took on the entire FF by himself. He defeats The Thing.

Draco69
How many Thing vs. Namor threads are there? Namor wins. He's got like a dozen powers. Plus he's a better fighter and more experienced.

Wynndar
yes he has taken the FF on many occasions since 1962...he has won and lost. However, while Namor has remained relatively unchanged in powers for the last 70 years? The FF continually increase, its the nature of their mutations. Why didnt Namor fight the Thing in the late eighties when he was further mutated...why didnt he fight the hugely illustrated Thing from FF v3 #4-40...when FF was written by Claremont or Pacheco...because Thing would have crushed him

dawsey28
Good point. But even if Thing keeps getting stronger or more durable ...

I still don't see how he could beat Namor.

armandovalles
Originally posted by Wickerman
Namor is no idiot. He's not just a bully like Thing is. He has the most advanced technology on the planet and a brain to boot. Please remember that.



Thing may be a bit of a bully, but Namor is a full-fledged RAPIST.

dawsey28
And RAPIST = not being able to beat The Thing?

armandovalles
no, i called him a rapist cuz he acts like one towards Sue Storm.

juggernaut74
Why was the Thing/Flash thread closed?

Wasnt it a legite thread?

Draco69
*blushs*

Eh.....it was because it was already made......and maybe because of a little squabble. You can make it again..

dawsey28
I thought it was b/c of the bickering and going off topic in it but a mod came in another thread and said the Flash/Thing thread was closed b/c one had already been done.

juggernaut74
Well I didnt find another one.

This is a conspiracy roll eyes (sarcastic)

jrodslam
Namor wins as usual.

Wynndar
good argument but Thing wins.

jhrunion
namor wins. has the thing ever beaten namor...without back-up from the ff? namor is stronger, has more experience, is a better fighter...who has more than one method of fighting. namor has lift 100 tons. the thing ain't there.

StiltmanFTW
Namor FTW.

snoopdogg
Thing wins on land and Namor wins in the water.

Mindset
Namor wins on both.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by Mindset
Namor wins on both.

namorsubby
namor has one-shotted thing at least twice.he even one-shoted the amped pineapple thing

namor 10/10

namorsubby
Originally posted by dawsey28
Dude, Namor took on the entire FF by himself. He defeats The Thing.
someone's using their thinking cap thumb up

Silent Guardian
When the Thing gets serious he can tangle with the Hulk and Sentry. He takes Namor down on land no question.

namorsubby
namor has tangled with thing and his posse successfully and one shotted him on several occassions. he's not winning.

Silent Guardian
well I think it would be close, maybe a toss up

Spider Boy94
On the land, Thing wins 8/10
Ben is more stronger than Namor

carver9
Based off fts, Thing should not have done anywhere close to what he did against Namor in their last encounter. That was the lowest showing Namor had but looking at how Thing has been performing lately, I don't think it wad "that" bad of a showing.

ColossusGrundy
If Thing gets mad, he wins.

"Clobberin' Time" is fun time.

pym-ftw
Namor drops the Baxter building on Ben

juggernaut74
Ben wins.

Spider Boy94
Thing Wins
FF10, Namor can't break free from the grip of the Thing
FF 149, Namor lose
AvX Namor wet failed to win, The Thing Rules

The Thing is moooore stronger on the Land, win, 8/10
in the sea, Namor win 7.5/10

StiltmanFTW
Namor one-shotted Pineapple Thing... on land...

JakeTheBank
Doesn't matter, brah.

AvX > decades worth of continuity and consistent showings.

zopzop
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doesn't matter, brah.

AvX > decades worth of continuity and consistent showings.
Exactly! Thing wins.

If you think I'm kidding, remember Excalibur 25? When Galactus' tech was killing the PF? Remember what happened to the universe? Now flash forward to AvX 12 when Wanda/Hope kill the PF. Nothing happened to the universe. AvX > decades worth of continuity and consistent showings.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor one-shotted Pineapple Thing... on land...

can i see a scan?

She Hulk years 80-90 has beat Namor
The Thing has beat that She Hulk, after Wonder Man
FF9, Namor can't break Thing's grip
AvX... NO MATCH for Namor (on land)

zopzop
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
can i see a scan?

She Hulk years 80-90 has beat Namor
The Thing has beat that She Hulk, after Wonder Man
FF9, Namor can't break Thing's grip
AvX... NO MATCH for Namor (on land)
AvX - Thing pwns Namor UNDERWATER

Spider Boy94
in water

Spider Boy94
but, on land, Thing's strength rules on Namor

sorry for the double post

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
can i see a scan?

Sure. Courtesy of namorsubby:

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-50NastyNat.jpg

Spider Boy94
Sorry, but that is a simple punch xD

Where is the KO?

i could show you 4-5 scan, where Ben Grimm strikes Namor, sweeping away

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
Sorry, but that is a simple punch xD

Where is the KO?

i could show you 4-5 scan, where Ben Grimm strikes Namor, sweeping away

Johnny says "Looks like it's just you and me, Subs!" and after Namor beats him, he proceeds to fight Hulk and Dr Strange.

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-51NastyNat.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-52NastyNat.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-53NastyNat.jpg

You see Thing anywhere? I don't smile

Spider Boy94
does not mean it's over KO
Namor flees

what's fantastic four number?

JakeTheBank
Namor's also knocked out Hulk.

Spider Boy94
however, Namor was beaten by Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt and she hulk
Mr. Grimm beat them all

standard as the Silver Surfer, who lost twice against the Thing
and won twice against Namor

FF9: Namor wet can't break Thing's gripp
FF149: Namor defeat
AVX: Namor wet can't beat the Thing

The Thing, on the land, in mooooore stronger
underwater, Namor win


Namor had beat the Hulk?
The Thing has do the same

Colossus-Big C
Thing is stronger than namor ,even underwater.


LuLz at people saying namor wins, when ON PANEL ,Thing was clearly shown to be superior

Thing 10/10

Namor is weaksauce

JakeTheBank
laughing out loud

StiltmanFTW
[email protected] Big C.

Originally posted by Spider Boy94
Namor had beat the Hulk?
The Thing has do the same

Not really erm The only time he knocked Hulk out was with a cheapshot when Hulk was weakened.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[email protected] Big C.



Not really erm The only time he knocked Hulk out was with a cheapshot when Hulk was weakened.


no, it's a fake that runs all over the internet

The Thing had win 3 TIMES:
Hard Knocks
FF 320
FF 166

and drew in an arm wrestle with Marged Hulk/Professor Hulk

JakeTheBank
Namor knocking out Hulk isn't fake.

Spider Boy94
The Thing, on land, wins against Namor
not 10/10... Namor is a good enemy, 8/10

underwater, Namor wins, 7.5/10, sure

Mindset
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thing is stronger than namor ,even underwater.


LuLz at people saying namor wins, when ON PANEL ,Thing was clearly shown to be superior

Thing 10/10

Namor is weaksauce This is pretty much proof Namor wins.

Better than reading the comics.

Spider Boy94
REPEAT:

Namor was beaten by Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt and she hulk
Mr. Grimm beat them all

standard as the Silver Surfer, who lost twice against the Thing
and won twice against Namor

FF9: Namor wet can't break Thing's gripp
FF149: Namor defeat
AVX: Namor wet can't beat the Thing

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
Hard Knocks

Hulk was weakened from Kortz ray.

Originally posted by Spider Boy94
FF 320

Upgraded Thing vs. weaker Hulk, not that impressive. I showed you what Namor did to that version of Ben. And Fixit owned him using hit&run attacks later anyway.

Originally posted by Spider Boy94
FF 166

Thing had help...

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk was weakened from Kortz ray.



Upgraded Thing vs. weaker Hulk, not that impressive. I showed you what Namor did to that version of Ben. And Fixit owned him using hit&run attacks later anyway.



Thing had help...

1) No, in FF12 Hulk back Banner, and recovers energy
in the history of lee and kirby are told

2)That's Right

3)From Mister Fantastic and win with an One-Shot

StiltmanFTW
Mister Fantastic and Sue Richards depriving the Hulk of oxygen.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mister Fantastic and Sue Richards depriving the Hulk of oxygen.

Hulk does not need to breathe

moreover, Ben drew him to arm wrestle, with the Professor Hulk (Class 100)
The Thing is strongest on earth, like Namor in the sea

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
Hulk does not need to breathe

That's false. He needed to breathe back then. Ghost Rider has even beaten him via burning all the oxygen around him.

StiltmanFTW
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9875/ghostriderv1011pharoocdik3.th.jpg

Spider Boy94
ah ok
you're right, then, on FF 166, sorry
however it is a good one-shot by the Thing wink


but the Thing remains stronger than Namor

StiltmanFTW
I was always more impressed by Namor's strength. I don't see Ben breaking the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, for example.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
The Thing is strongest on earth, like Namor in the sea

what?

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was always more impressed by Namor's strength. I don't see Ben breaking the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, for example.

and defeat a Machine who can push a planet?

in FF9, by Lee and Kirby, The Thing proves stronger on the beach, against Namor wet

The Thing is stronger than Namor

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by -K-M-
what?

on the land

-K-M-
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
on the land

Are you being serious? Thing is far from the strongest person on the land confused

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you being serious? Thing is far from the strongest person on the land confused

no, are you kidding?
on the land, the Thing is strongest than Namor

-K-M-
Oh sorry I think I misread that. I thought you were implying in general Thing was the strongest compared to everyone on the land not just Namor.

Also I assume you mean without his hydration suit?

namorsubby
I'm curious as to what advantage thing has that could sway this match in his favor.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by namorsubby
I'm curious as to what advantage thing has that could sway this match in his favor. the advantage of beating him on panel? no expression

namorsubby
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the advantage of beating him on panel? no expression which namor has done to him multiple times in dominating fashion(ie one shot)?

Horrificus
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
and defeat a Machine who can push a planet?

in FF9, by Lee and Kirby, The Thing proves stronger on the beach, against Namor wet

The Thing is stronger than Namor "Junior member" huh? big grin Well, you seem to have a nice stack of FF by your couch over there.
Good for you.

Ben takes this. Namor is a great fighter and is very powerful, but Ben is stronger, has more heart, seems to have the ability to fight on even through horrendous injury and definitely has superior skills/instinct.

namorsubby
Lol, ben isn't stronger.

nwg202
Namor wins

Horrificus
Compare a list of feats?

namorsubby
sure, why not. Namor strengh feats blows things outta the water (pun intended)

StiltmanFTW
That's true.

Horrificus
what would u say Namor's greatest strength feats are? Ben has strength feats in the tens of thousands of tons.

Mindset
Namor has lifted a sub iirc.

Can't remember anything else.

Horrificus
Originally posted by Mindset
Namor has lifted a sub iirc.

Can't remember anything else. Off the top of my head, Ben has lifted an oil rig, an entire building, a vast star-ship that dwarfs a submarine and has held the weight of a full suspension bridge on 2 occasions.

Mindset
Scans?

zopzop
Originally posted by Mindset
Scans?
Well here's the Oil Rig one :
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Thingandoilrig.jpg

All the stuff Horrificus mentioned are in Thing's respect thread but a lot of the links don't work.

-K-M-
Never been terribly impressed with the oil rig scene, as it seems there is 4 tower beams in total and only one broke and it couldn't have been supporting that much weight as that small peice of pipe was used to stabalize it.

Horrificus
Originally posted by zopzop
Well here's the Oil Rig one :
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Thingandoilrig.jpg

All the stuff Horrificus mentioned are in Thing's respect thread but a lot of the links don't work. Always good to have you supporting my opinions zz! You are an excellent sidekick.
In fact, I shall now rename you. After carefully researching various animal candidates to base your sidekick persona upon, I have come up with the perfect title:

From this day forward, you are the sidekick known as "The Persistent Ladybug"!

That is, unless you prefer to be known as "The Awesome Boll Weevil".

Really it's up to you. Welcome to the team! I'm sure you need a moment to shake off the awe of this moment.

Anyway...

Suspension Bridges-
Strange Tales 131 and Fantastic Four 234

30,000 ton Building?-
Fantastic 4 #95

Ben also defeated Kree Sentries in Fantastic Four that had already incapacitated both Red Hulk and She-Hulk.

Horrificus
Originally posted by -K-M-
Never been terribly impressed with the oil rig scene, as it seems there is 4 tower beams in total and only one broke and it couldn't have been supporting that much weight as that small peice of pipe was used to stabalize it. Noted!
You have a keen eye and some obvious marine-engineering experience.
I shall immediately have a team of scientists deployed for analysis of the structure.
Your knowledgeable comments will surely prove to be invaluable in our efforts to uncover the truth of this oil rig feat.
On behalf of all members of this forum, I thank you.

Unfortunately, I am know longer looking for a "sidekick". (kudos to zopzop)

Mindset
Originally posted by zopzop
Well here's the Oil Rig one :
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Thingandoilrig.jpg

All the stuff Horrificus mentioned are in Thing's respect thread but a lot of the links don't work. Originally posted by -K-M-
Never been terribly impressed with the oil rig scene, as it seems there is 4 tower beams in total and only one broke and it couldn't have been supporting that much weight as that small peice of pipe was used to stabalize it. Pretty much, this.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by Horrificus
"Junior member" huh? big grin Well, you seem to have a nice stack of FF by your couch over there.
Good for you.

Ben takes this. Namor is a great fighter and is very powerful, but Ben is stronger, has more heart, seems to have the ability to fight on even through horrendous injury and definitely has superior skills/instinct.

wink i have reed ALL number of FF Write by Kirby and Lee
in the 60' years, Stan said "Namor, on the land, isn't in the same level with Thing, Hulk and Thor. He can win only in water"


AVX Fact:
Thing's punch > Namor punch

FF149, Ben defeat Namor


guys, Namor RULES IN WATER, that's true, i admit
but, ON THE LAND, the Thing wins, 8/10

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by Horrificus
Off the top of my head, Ben has lifted an oil rig, an entire building, a vast star-ship that dwarfs a submarine and has held the weight of a full suspension bridge on 2 occasions.

a piramid, he has beated a machine who can push A PLANET, a battle cruiser Skrull...

when i understend how post the scan, i will open a Respect Thread for the Thing

StiltmanFTW
Not terribly impressed with the oil rig scene. Namor supported the Utopia island.

Spider Boy94
the oil rig.... but the others?

-K-M-
I don't recall them, so if anyone has scans it would be appreicated.

I vaguely remember it was a glass building Thing lifted?

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by -K-M-
I don't recall them, so if anyone has scans it would be appreicated.

I vaguely remember it was a glass building Thing lifted?


Glass and Steel
not only lifted....

-K-M-
That's what I was thinking of. Also that's not a building, it's even shapped like a pyramid (edit: Reed even calls it a glass pyramid) and its hollow on the inside.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by namorsubby
which namor has done to him multiple times in dominating fashion(ie one shot)? we use current comic characters in threads unless stated otherwise.

Thing Wins

JakeTheBank
"Current" versions of characters don't ignore said characters consistent histories unless there's been an explicit amp or de-powering.

Horrificus
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
Glass and Steel
not only lifted.... I have seen scans of another building being lifted by Ben. Not even just steel and glass.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by -K-M-
That's what I was thinking of. Also that's not a building, it's even shapped like a pyramid (edit: Reed even calls it a glass pyramid) and its hollow on the inside.


This is a pyramid that really exists in paris
and is made of glass and steel ... and weighs more than 100 tons

you want the scan with Grimm raising skyscrapers





however, we are going off topic
back to the subject Thing> Namor

AVX
Thing's punch> Namor's punch

FF9, by Lee and Kirby
Thing> Namor wet
Thing <<< Namor in the sea

FF149
Thing wins

that's all

it is not necessary to mention the "dubious" victory AVX versus
I prefer not to mention it

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Current" versions of characters don't ignore said characters consistent histories unless there's been an explicit amp or de-powering.

thumb up

Originally posted by Spider Boy94
the oil rig.... but the others?

Need to see the scans.

Spider Boy94
sorry, but.... why do you go off topic?

answer at these:

AVX
Thing's punch> Namor's punch

FF9, by Lee and Kirby
Thing> Namor wet
Thing <<< Namor in the sea

FF149
Thing wins

zopzop
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
thumb up



Need to see the scans.
Stilt here are some more of the scans mentioned (ie the suspension bridge, the planet crushing machine, etc...)
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_thing.html
You need to scroll down toward the middle of the page.

The building lifting feat still isn't there but IF (notice I said IF) I remember it correctly (I don't have the comic, I saw the scan somewhere), the building was a New York "brownstone" 4-6 story building.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
sorry, but.... why do you go off topic?

I go off-topic by approving one member's post and replying to yours? confused That's rich.

Originally posted by Spider Boy94

answer at these:

AVX
Thing's punch> Namor's punch

OK, but only since you asked so nicely laughing

1) That AvX versus issue was written by a woman.
2) Namor's uppercut looked more powerful than Ben's punch.
3) Overall, Namor's striking feats are better than Thing's...

Originally posted by Spider Boy94

FF9, by Lee and Kirby
Thing> Namor wet
Thing <<< Namor in the sea

FF149
Thing wins

These are not their only fights, Namor beat or stalemated him on other occasions... two inconclusive fights in AvX (not including the versus issue) and like I mentioned earlier, Pineapple Thing encounter...

If Johnny's words about it being just him and Namor after Thing got punched weren't enough of a proof to you, then what about the statement on the following page? "All other countermeasures have failed (...)" - face it, Ben got beaten in that one.

Originally posted by zopzop
Stilt here are some more of the scans mentioned (ie the suspension bridge, the planet crushing machine, etc...)
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_thing.html
You need to scroll down toward the middle of the page.

The building lifting feat still isn't there but IF (notice I said IF) I remember it correctly (I don't have the comic, I saw the scan somewhere), the building was a New York "brownstone" 4-6 story building.

Thank you. Will check it out soon.

Spider Boy94
all the most absurd excuses are good xD
AvX written by a Woman? and the supervision?
is a nonsense

The Thing has best feats than Namor
and and defeated Top Tier and Above much stronger than Namor


and the opinion of Lee and Kirby?


On the land: Thing >>> Namor
Thing > Namor wet

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
all the most absurd excuses are good xD
AvX written by a Woman? and the supervision?
is a nonsense

It wouldn't be the first time when an editor neglected his job...

Originally posted by Spider Boy94

The Thing has best feats than Namor
and and defeated Top Tier and Above much stronger than Namor

"Better". And no, he doesn't really have better striking feats...

So did Namor smile

Originally posted by Spider Boy94

and the opinion of Lee and Kirby?


On the land: Thing >>> Namor
Thing > Namor wet

Characters have evolved since then. They both have become more powerful, Namor got a black suit that keeps him hydrated, etc.

On average, Namor is more powerful out of the two, at least imo. Plenty of feats to back that up.

Spider Boy94
there is no evidence
As we have seen many times, the Thing has proved stronger of the two
he had beat people who had beat Namor

and has best feats

Spider Boy94
"Beating the crap out of Spiderboy"

wow, you are very mature
how old are you? 10?

we're just talking about comics

JakeTheBank
....I think that's been his location on his profile for as long as I can remember.

zopzop
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
"Beating the crap out of Spiderboy"

wow, you are very mature
how old are you? 10?

we're just talking about comics
He's not referring to you, it's a jab at Spiderman (the comic character). Stilt is not a fan stick out tongue

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
there is no evidence
As we have seen many times, the Thing has proved stronger of the two
he had beat people who had beat Namor

and has best feats

Shattering the crimson bands, making the whole island quiver when he slammed his fists to the ground once (resisting Magneto's power at the same time), knocking out the Hulk... that's only a sample of Namor's strength feats.

And so what? Namor also beat guys that defeated Thing...

He really doesn't.

Originally posted by Spider Boy94
"Beating the crap out of Spiderboy"

wow, you are very mature
how old are you? 10?

we're just talking about comics

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....I think that's been his location on his profile for as long as I can remember.

That's been my location since the Gargan signature (from the Siege event). Then I changed it to Crossbones during Heroic Age.

Spider Boy94
who has beaten Namor (on the land) that beat the Thing? Hulk apart?

no-one
he was beaten by Hulk from Black Bolt, Mister Fantastic and Silver Surfer
all beaten by the Thing


Grevieux, the creator of blue marvel, said that the Thing is stronger than Namor
a man, not a woman wink

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
no-one

Super Skrull, among others. He's also done much better against more hardcore (voided out) version of Sentry.

namorsubby
Spiderboy obviously knows.....well, nothing.

Namors clearly stronger, much faster, probably more durable, etc, etc. See feats for confirmation.

Horrificus
Originally posted by namorsubby
Spiderboy obviously knows.....well, nothing.

Namors clearly stronger, much faster, probably more durable, etc, etc. See feats for confirmation. I don't mind of Namor is stronger. But, I asked for a comparison of feats from you. I provided some. Waiting for some from Namor.

zopzop
Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't mind of Namor is stronger. But, I asked for a comparison of feats from you. I provided some. Waiting for some from Namor.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A little rundown on feats posted here...

Strength Feats

Breaks through the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, WHILE ON LAND, knocking out Doctor Strange.
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Is freed from dozens of tons of ice after he has gained only few drops of water.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5364/namorfeat177fq.gif

Lifts fully loaded tanker (about 110,000 tons without any load, nearly 200,000 with load)
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Lifts an WWII destroyer that weighs somewhere between 2000-3000 tons and slams it into Attuma with ease.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg

While being held down by Magneto's power, Namor slams his fists to the ground and makes an impact that causes the entire island to quiver.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif

During an underwater collision, Namor hits Hulk so hard that he flies miles back to the shore and reverts back to Banner. The impact also creates massive tsunamis and earthquakes.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
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During a fight against mind-controlled Hulk, Namor creates a massive tidal wave that wipes out an entire island and knocks out Hulk on the same time.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif

Carries a 50 ton anchor in his right hand.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9785/namorfeat324hl.gif

Throws a metal vat that weighs at least five tons and throws it at the monster with blinding speeds.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3470/namorfeat335vj.gif

Throws the anchor together with Triton, making it go very fast.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8383/namorfeat355ag.gif

Namor lifts an submarine and places it safely to shore.
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6608/namorfeat379pp.gif

Namor lifts an 50 ton tank with one hand and throws it hard enough to hit a flying Boeing 747 that Iron Man is on.
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif

Namor captures the ship of Krang and stops it in it's tracks.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3853/namorfeat404mw.gif

Namor THROWS an SEASHELL so hard, that it becomes as destructive as artillery shell.
http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/4356/namorfeat410nf.gif

Namor pushes an ship, weighing hundreds of tons to the shore whe he is about 18.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

Namor gets an ship (about 100,000 tons) to safety.
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat785pf.gif

Weakened Namor benchpresses his own body weight multiplied by a thousand (160 tons)
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7963/namorfeat894jt.gif

Namor shoves an battleship to safety without trouble. That kind of ships weigh somewhere between 10,000 tons to 50,000 tons, but if I am wrong, inform me.
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat902ny.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat910lv.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat934wu.gif

Topples an similar ship with one punch:
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif

Fights army, throwing tanks at the same time:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2738/namorvsarmy9og.gif

Captain America's vibranium shield can't absorb the power of Namor's punch.
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/886/namorfeat973kv.gif

Speed Feats

Defeats Hulk the first time. (Showing underwater speed)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

During a fight against mind-controlled Hulk, Namor creates a massive tidal wave that wipes out an entire island and knocks out Hulk on the same time. (Swimming speed)
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif

Dodges an Mach speed attack.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3664/namorfeat31lb.gif

Defeats Sunfire, showing amazing mobility in air.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif

Namor drills through tons of hard sea rock by spinning his body at tremendous speeds.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6544/namorfeat302xn.gif

Namor speedblitzes a monster who Plant Man has created while carrying Triton in his hand.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif

Swims at speeds "Beyond belief", and makes a whirpool that takes the metallic cylinders out from sea.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif

Namor grabs two missiles coming at Mach speeds at him.
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif

Namor takes out an object to space with Capt. Marvel.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5779/namorfeat518ez.gif

Dodges an torpedo with ease, and destroys the ship the torpedo was launched from.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1045/namorfeat671oy.gif

Namor creates an large whirlpool by swimming very fast.
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat795ut.gif
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat808ne.gif

Jumps and reaches meteors (Meteors move with speeds of Mach 32-Mach 221.

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Seems to fly faster then any American fighter during the year 1941 (300-400 MPH).

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorspeedfeat270iu.gif

Outspeeds Human Torch easily while weakened (Human Torch top speed: 150 MPH)

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4716/namorspeedfeat285tx.gif

Outflys and destroys German fighters.

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Outflys and destroys entire fleet of Japanese Kamikaze fighters.

http://x11.putfile.com/11/30904411480.gif

Other Feats

Absorbs millions of volts of electricity and discharges it against Hulk.
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2784/namorfeat235rn.gif

Absorbs an blast from Presence that send Hulk flying, like it was nothing.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9879/namorfeat241uq.gif

Namor has radar sense similar to cave fish, and he is able to locate Invisible Woman with no effort.
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3685/namor24bc.gif

Namor takes a equilavent of miniature nuke straight into face (He was holding it) and is only minorly stunned. The impact hurled him into sea.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6527/namorfeat295yp.gif

Namor (Heroes Reborn) takes direct head shot from Thor's thrown Mjolnir. The shot is so strong that it levels the ground they are standing on, but Namor isn't even knocked out.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2039/namorfeat367wt.gif

Commanding sea creatures:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30906385581.gif&s=x11

Unbeatable in his own element...even if someone else is controlling it:
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Can take the powers of any sea creature:
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7403/namorfeat872sr.gif

Namor survives unharmed after thrown from space.
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat889cy.gif

Continues down...

zopzop
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Fights

Defeats Hulk the first time.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

During a fight against mind-controlled Hulk, Namor creates a massive tidal wave that wipes out an entire island and knocks out Hulk on the same time.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif

Namor laying a beatdown on Super Skrull (The guy who causes trouble to entire Fantastic Four)
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7346/namorfeat475ib.gif

Here is Namor beating Iron Man
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5295/namorfeat594gj.gif

Namor putting Captain Marvel (Genis-Vell in his earlier Incarnation) down with two punches.
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=submariner30030tz.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=submariner30043jd.jpg

Namor defeats Abomination.
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/345/namorfeat686lx.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7272/namorfeat691ix.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/4690/namorfeat702bo.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/1112/namorfeat71kopio2wz.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif

Namor VS Doom.

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Namor handling Spider-Man's cowardly attack from behind.
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Namor Versus Warmachine.
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http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor21dj.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor37yr.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor48hw.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor55gs.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warnamor69hi.gif

Namor faces Cap.
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

Namor Versus Attuma.
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif

Defeats Thing with ease while in water.
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor13lk.gif
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor22xu.gif

Cap gets beaten again.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt16dm.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt24wn.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt32jx.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt49si.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt53nu.gif

Namor fighting both Daredevil and Spider-Man.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey28lk.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey35wx.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey47sc.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey58dk.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey62ve.gif
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey71tx.gif

That's it.

Horrificus
But, doesn't Namor have any GOOD strength feats?!

Spider Boy94
recently, the Super Skrull was beaten only by the invisible woman
spiderman and devil? that effort ...
Doom was defeated by the Thing

talk about She Hulk, Black Bolt and the Silver Surfer?
they all beat Namor, and they were all beaten by the Thing

Bouboumaster
Thing win

JakeTheBank
When did Thing recently beat Doom?

Going by portrayals, Doom's been more than a match for the entire F4 in a fight for years.

zopzop
Originally posted by Horrificus
But, doesn't Namor have any GOOD strength feats?!
Well, unless I'm mistaken, these match or exceed anything Thing has done on panel strength wise :


Then you have more recent stuff like balancing Utopia, his younger self taking it to Wonderman/Ares, withstanding a full on "Mega Optic Blast" by Cyclops, looking more impressive vs Sentry than Thing did, etc..

But guess what, all this STILL DOES NOT MATTER, and if Jake objects because of his "continuity" argument, I got PROOF from Marvel's top dog that "continuity" don't mean sh|t.

Thing wins.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by zopzop
Well, unless I'm mistaken, these match or exceed anything Thing has done on panel strength wise :


Then you have more recent stuff like balancing Utopia, his younger self taking it to Wonderman/Ares, withstanding a full on "Mega Optic Blast" by Cyclops, looking more impressive vs Sentry than Thing did, etc..

But guess what, all this STILL DOES NOT MATTER, and if Jake objects because of his "continuity" argument, I got PROOF from Marvel's top dog that "continuity" don't mean sh|t.

Thing wins.

What "proof" would that be?

zopzop
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What "proof" would that be?

Tom Brevoort saying fxxk continuity. This is why the IG works despite the fact the LT ruled they will never again work in unison. This is why the PF was destroyed and nothing happened to the universe (despite the events of Excalibur 25). This is why Namor being stronger than the Thing in past issues means nothing.

The NOW is what matters.

dmills
Originally posted by zopzop

Tom Brevoort saying fxxk continuity. This is why the IG works despite the fact the LT ruled they will never again work in unison. This is why the PF was destroyed and nothing happened to the universe (despite the events of Excalibur 25). This is why Namor being stronger than the Thing in past issues means nothing.

The NOW is what matters.

@Jake, sadly, I have to somewhat concur brah. I've seen some quotes from Brevoort and others over there would leave you scratching your head. They don't give a phuck about continuity. To put it in perspective, remember Rick Remender's comments regarding Psylocke's lack of tk? That's a philosophy pretty much the status quo over there nowadays.

Of course how this all fits into what we do here in the vs forums is prolly another matter.

namorsubby
Those feats from page ago should've definitively ended the thing/namor strength comparison in namors favor. What are we still discussing?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
recently, the Super Skrull was beaten only by the invisible woman
spiderman and devil? that effort ...
Doom was defeated by the Thing

talk about She Hulk, Black Bolt and the Silver Surfer?
they all beat Namor, and they were all beaten by the Thing

Sue happens to be the most powerful member of the FF. Especially when bloodlusted. She'd wreck Ben, too. Her forcefields are more durable than him and she's just too versatile and skilled in using her power.

Wasn't Surfer beat with a sucker shot?

Namor performed better against Wolverine than Grimm did, too.

Horrificus
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sue happens to be the most powerful member of the FF. Especially when bloodlusted. She'd wreck Ben, too. Her forcefields are more durable than him and she's just too versatile and skilled in using her power.

Wasn't Surfer beat with a sucker shot?

Namor performed better against Wolverine than Grimm did, too. Ben holds back more than most other characters.
Namor, well, just doesn't give a crap.
When Ben fought Wolverine and Logan sliced his face, it wasn't jjst out of pain or anger that he called him a "Psycho". To Ben, what Logan did was unthinkable.
In certain situations, Ben has also shown that the only thing limiting the upper level of his strength, is himself.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When did Thing recently beat Doom?

Going by portrayals, Doom's been more than a match for the entire F4 in a fight for years.

if you talk recently, you're right
but in the years 60 and 70, in physical fights always won Ben

recently, Ben had defeated an army of doombot

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by namorsubby
Those feats from page ago should've definitively ended the thing/namor strength comparison in namors favor. What are we still discussing?

for you, maybe


I repeat:

FF9, Ben Grimm proves stronger than Namor wet, on the land
AVX, Thing's punch> Namor's punch
Uncanny X-Men: wet Namor can not prevail over what
AVX 5, Grimm blocks Namor
FF149, Ben defeats Namor


compare the feat is useless if there are any direct clashes

abhilegend
Namor has oneshotted thing ON LAND.


http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203e.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Horrificus
Ben holds back more than most other characters.

Not than Invisible Woman, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has oneshotted thing ON LAND.


http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFourv203e.jpg

Again! laughing out loud

Spider Boy94
XD

That is Heroes Reborn, an alternative universe

also
1) Ben was shot from behind, to calm the crowd
2) Namor took the opportunity to break a fire hydrant and wet

abhilegend
Sue would wreck ben, easily. Invisible woman is easily the most powerful member of FF.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
XD

That is Heroes Reborn, an alternative universe

also
1) Ben was shot from behind, to calm the crowd
2) Namor took the opportunity to break a fire hydrant and wet
That was after they returned from HR IIRC. Wet namor=/=namor under sea.

Spider Boy94
it is an alternative universe, create by Franklin

h1a8
IMO current events>>>>>>>>>past events.
Now that doesn't mean past events have no weight. They do, just not as much as current events. Currently Ben is stronger than in the past

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
it is an alternative universe, create by Franklin

Fantastic Four and Avengers returned from it to the mainstream universe.

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by h1a8
IMO current events>>>>>>>>>past events.
Now that doesn't mean past events have no weight. They do, just not as much as current events. Currently Ben is stronger than in the past

exact

The Thing was stronger than Namor, already in the 60's laughing out loud

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fantastic Four and Avengers returned from it to the mainstream universe.


you're right
but THAT Story was happened in that universe, created by franklin

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
you're right
but THAT Story was happened in that universe, created by franklin

Ah, ok. I've read only a few HR stories.

BUSTER1
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
exact

The Thing was stronger than Namor, already in the 60's laughing out loud

Only out of water.

FACT!

Spider Boy94
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Only out of water.

FACT!

That Right

Namor rules in water

Bentley
Ben beats Doom and Namor at the same time. The other team members cheer.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Spider Boy94
it is an alternative universe, create by Franklin
You're right. My mistake.

namorsubby
Namor kicks things ass.

juggernaut74
If you look at most of their fights they are closer than people realize.

ODG
Namor.

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