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The Thing VS The Professor Hulk

Ok heres the scenario. Everyone knows how much Ben cares about Suzie, right? and everyone knows that when someone tries to hurt her he flips out right? Well, here's the story. Professor Hulk killed Suzie right in front of Ben, who had to watch cuz he was chained to an adamantium wall with adamantium shackles. So Ben's eyes are now Red with anger and he wants to kill Professor Hulk and starts threatening him and crap as to being to scared to release him. So Hulk finally releases him and they go at it. Does the Thing, no that he's insanely over-the-edge with anger, beat down the Hulk, or does the Professor Hulk still get the better of him?

Oh no not this again.

Professor Hulk killing Suzie?

Prof Hulk wins.

why cant people admit that thing will never beat HULK........never......people try to paint scenarios in favor of the thing..but it dosent matter....he will never beat him.....just like i will never beat juggernaut......

Originally posted by colossus17
just like i will never beat juggernaut...... This is true

its a given that colossus cant beat juggy..and i admit it.....he is a mystical being.....and the thing will never beat the hulk....he is way to strong....way more durable....faster..has a healing factor....the longer the fight the less chances the thing has of staying alive...

Thing has beaten the Hulk.

With the help of his teammates.

no...he demolished the Hulk in FF#320, dont be ignorant...how many Hulk Thing fights do u own? He also beat him in Hard knocks number 4.

I read it. It was Spiny Thing vs. Gray Hulk. Not Professor Hulk. Not a contest.

he still won. lol.

In the latest "Tales of the Thing," Savage Hulk forces Thing to apologize for something he didn't even do. And Thing acquiesces, too. Thing fighting Savage Hulk is no contest.

But this isn't Savage Hulk. I believe that Thing could give the Professor quite a fight.

Originally posted by armandovalles
he still won. lol.

Of course he won. Dr. Doom messed up Gray Hulk's brain and Spiny Thing was an upgraded Thing. So he won. Under normal circumstances he would lose.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
In the latest "Tales of the Thing," Savage Hulk forces Thing to apologize for something he didn't even do. And Thing acquiesces, too. Thing fighting Savage Hulk is no contest.

But this isn't Savage Hulk. I believe that Thing could give the Professor quite a fight.

Hulk did not force him to say sorry, they were totally even the entire fight. Thing just said he was sorry cuz he wanted to prove to himself that he wasnt a monster.

a fight between spiny thing and a messed up grey hulk proves zilch...

Originally posted by armandovalles
Hulk did not force him to say sorry, they were totally even the entire fight. Thing just said he was sorry cuz he wanted to prove to himself that he wasnt a monster.

Thing had to resort to calming Hulk down. He said sorry because he didn't want Hulk to wreck him.

Hulk says,

"Hulk want to be left alone, but puny humans won't let him. So puny humans say sorry to Hulk, or they will pay. Thing will say sorry, too."

Thing replies,

"Okay. Sorry."

Prof Hulk is way to smart

Originally posted by Draco69
Of course he won. Dr. Doom messed up Gray Hulk's brain and Spiny Thing was an upgraded Thing. So he won. Under normal circumstances he would lose. ...Doom used a neuro scrambler to keep Hulk off of him...Hulk had recovered by the time he fought the Thing. That was not a factor...i think u misunderstood the comic if u read it.

Originally posted by Darth Trinew
Prof Hulk is way to smart

I realize he's smart. But when it comes to strategy, i think the Thing would normally have the advantage because of his military experience.
But in this scenario whenThing is insane, i think the roles are reversed as the Hulk would have to use his head in order to prevail against the rampaging Thing and if Hulk didnt use his head in this situation, i think Hulk would get pummeled.

I don't know about you but how big of a freaking rip off is Hulk ? He's a green Grundy!
Jesus, Grundy has said those EXACT words before to Wonderwoman.

But yeah, sorry, I miss Grundy

Thing only shows Hulk problems because Thing's base strength is same as Hulk's base strength.
But as soon as Hulk gets pissed, Thing gets his ass handed to him.

Thing vs prf hulk is different, they are nearly the same strength permanently, I'd give it to thing, he's just a better fighter than Prof.

Hulk would win because Prof Hulk already beat thing when the HUman Torch burnt down the university.

Thor has defeated FF (fight)
Gladiator has defeated FF (fight)

Gladiator > Thor > Hulk / Jugs

Jugs has humiliated the thing

Jugs = Hulk

Hulk will beat the thing for so

hulk, though benjy shuld not be underestimated as a fighter. a lot of comics have him beaten far to easily at times.

ben is a tough guy,but with a straight fight with the hulk,hulk will win

Poor Thing fanboys, why you must torture yourself, Hulk will always be better than him, Thing is the golder heart brick guy, Hulk is the brick guy that level anything on his path.
Professor Hulk was around 80-90% of Savage Hulk durability, and he can he grow stronger, slightly slower, but he can, plus he's smarter than Savage Hulk, he'll murder Thing, totally ambushing him.After all he stayed fist to fist with the Juggernaut, someone that the Thing can only prey for crossing the fists with.

I dont think anyone on here fully understands the Hulk or Thing.

i think i understand both

my bad tough guy...i know that u actually do read Hulk comics

hlku would win he killed thing once already in the fantastic four episode nightmare in green he killed thing and strech made him come back to life

no, he didnt kill Thing, Sue just couldnt hear a heartbeat but thats not cuz he was dead, it wuz cuz his hide is too thick to heara heartbeat threw.

ok dat makes sence but he still owned him badly

well hulk is the ultimate powehouse, and thing knows this. once hulk is too mad there isnt a lot that can be done about it physically by anyone. ben however is a good fight strategist and thats quite good

Hulk owned him in a cartoon show? what relevance does that have?

Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk owned him in a cartoon show? what relevance does that have?

Most are clueless. Yes The HULK has beaten The THING more times than The THING beaten The HULK.

But in that same sentence it says everything. Ben has and can beat him.
Although odds are The HULK will beat Ben in a close fought victory. But it's not a given that The HULK wins.

By the way all you THING haters. How many other hero's can legitimately say that not too many.

Ben's nobody's fool.

RESPECT.

hulk wins

Of course Hulk wins. He's stronger, bigger, and faster. Also the healing factor. Thing has no chance against HULK.

in a long fight obviously thing would lose, but the thing is benjy knows this, and also has a good knowlegde of how to fight, even beings more powerful than himself. ( having juggie knock thing out in 3 punches was totally crap writing). if hulk is very mad then physically all need to watch it, but in a normal fight benjy has opportunities with hulk in a lets say calmer state, with his good fighting skills. if hulk starts to lose it then benjy is someones driveway. but then if hulk realy loses it with anyone it is see u later

Thing would kick the Hulk's arse.....

Against Prof. Hulk, Ben takes the majoirty.

In this situation, Ben rips Prof. Hulk in half

Hulk still wins, although it'll be a much tougher fight than they typically are.

"Pineapple Thing" Can beat the Hulk.

Spikey or "Pinnapple" Thing isnt as strong or as tough as Current Thing

hulk would eat the thing alive black_shark

poor thing. i wish marvel would amp him up to another level of strength and durability.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Spikey or "Pinnapple" Thing isnt as strong or as tough as Current Thing

I'm not disagreeing. Just asking where it says that.
I thought spikey was the strongest.
Are there any stats on these guys?

Not really

However, Ben never really gets weaker

Current Ben is at least Class 100 (low).

Pinnaple Thing was around 90 tons

Originally posted by galan7777777
hulk would eat the thing alive black_shark

This is Prof. Hulk

Their stength is even.

Except, Ben is more durable, skilled, faster and has a spirit that just wont give

Prof. Hulk does have a healing factor, but its nowhere near the level of Savage

Originally posted by Wynndar
no...he demolished the Hulk in FF#320, dont be ignorant...how many Hulk Thing fights do u own? He also beat him in Hard knocks number 4.

In FF #320, Hulk was extremely cocky and didn't really pay attention to Doom telling him that Thing was substantially stronger than before. More importantly, the fight took place during the day. Greyskin experiences constant pain and is weaker during the day. Even with his boosted strength, Thing was worn out by the fight as he himself admitted.

Hard Knocks #4, Hulk was weakened by the Wrecker's ray.

Hulk wins this fight. If he's off his rocker enough to kill Sue, this may as well be Maestro.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk owned him in a cartoon show? what relevance does that have?

None. Just FYI, the cartoon took a lot from FF #112.

Originally posted by Grimm22
This is Prof. Hulk

Their stength is even.

Except, Ben is more durable, skilled, faster and has a spirit that just wont give

Prof. Hulk does have a healing factor, but its nowhere near the level of Savage

Their strength is not even. In FF Unlimited, Merged Hulk embarrassed Thing. He casually stopped Thing's attack, palmed his face, and planted him face-first to the floor.

They also fought in FF #374 and I didn't get the impression that Thing felt he was Hulk's equal.

Hulk's will is every bit as strong as Thing's.

And Thing is not more durable than Hulk. That's crazy talk.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Spikey or "Pinnapple" Thing isnt as strong or as tough as Current Thing

Based on what?

Spiky Thing commented that he was "Hulk Class." Post-Spiky Thing compared to Merged Hulk... well, see above.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Against Prof. Hulk, Ben takes the majoirty.

In this situation, Ben rips Prof. Hulk in half

Wrong.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Based on what?

Spiky Thing commented that he was "Hulk Class." Post-Spiky Thing compared to Merged Hulk... well, see above.

My reason for thinking "Spikey" was stronger, was this:

Thing has fought the Hulk many times before he turned Spikey. So, he knows how strong and tough Hulk is, and can get.
He KNOWS Hulk.

Then, when he turned Spikey, he made comments about being stronger than they Hulk. How he can't wait to fight the Hulk, because now he, (Thing), "is the strongest guy in town."
If anybody knows if he is stronger than Hulk, it would be Ben.
Well, that was my thinking.

Stronger at base, perhaps. I can believe that, since Grey Hulk was below class 100 at his base and "Spike" is twice as strong as normal Ben.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Stronger at base, perhaps. I can believe that, since Grey Hulk was below class 100 at his base and "Spike" is twice as strong as normal Ben.

He said and thought this before he ran into the Grey Hulk. Before he knew he was grey and weaker.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He said and thought this before he ran into the Grey Hulk. Before he knew he was grey and weaker.

Well, then he was just being overconfident. Because Thing had been powered up before and he still couldn't outmuscle the Hulk. Sure, it was old Savage, but still....

Professor Hulk might not be Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk but he is still above Thing,Colossus.Rage,Rhino and people in that strength level he is still a high level class 100 player.

The only way Thing lasted so long against Savage Hulk was because he out fight him and outsmart him Professor Hulk is just as good of a fight as thing and he is smarter tougher stronger faster

I'd give the majority to Prof. Hulk.

Their base strength is around the same, but Hulk's got the edge in durability, plus he's got his healing factor. Furthermore, the Professor will be using his head, while Thing will be mad with rage/not thinking clearly.

Professor Hulk ftw.

Originally posted by Horrificus
My reason for thinking "Spikey" was stronger, was this:

Thing has fought the Hulk many times before he turned Spikey. So, he knows how strong and tough Hulk is, and can get.
He KNOWS Hulk.

Then, when he turned Spikey, he made comments about being stronger than they Hulk. How he can't wait to fight the Hulk, because now he, (Thing), "is the strongest guy in town."
If anybody knows if he is stronger than Hulk, it would be Ben.
Well, that was my thinking.

I don't recall Thing ever saying he was actually stronger than the Hulk, only that he was Hulk Class and believed he could handle the Hulk with his new power.

I agree that Thing was stronger in that form than previously but Grimm (poster) said current Thing is stronger now than in his pineapple form.

Originally posted by long pig
I don't know about you but how big of a freaking rip off is Hulk ? He's a green Grundy!
Jesus, Grundy has said those EXACT words before to Wonderwoman.

But yeah, sorry, I miss Grundy

Thing only shows Hulk problems because Thing's base strength is same as Hulk's base strength.
But as soon as Hulk gets pissed, Thing gets his ass handed to him.

Thing vs prf hulk is different, they are nearly the same strength permanently, I'd give it to thing, he's just a better fighter than Prof. Um didn't Hulk come before Grundy

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't recall Thing ever saying he was actually stronger than the Hulk, only that he was Hulk Class and believed he could handle the Hulk with his new power.

I agree that Thing was stronger in that form than previously but Grimm (poster) said current Thing is stronger now than in his pineapple form.

He said that he can't wait to try out his new body on the Hulk. He then said, "Now I'm the strongest guy in town!"

Originally posted by Horrificus
My reason for thinking "Spikey" was stronger, was this:

Thing has fought the Hulk many times before he turned Spikey. So, he knows how strong and tough Hulk is, and can get.
He KNOWS Hulk.

Then, when he turned Spikey, he made comments about being stronger than they Hulk. How he can't wait to fight the Hulk, because now he, (Thing), "is the strongest guy in town."
If anybody knows if he is stronger than Hulk, it would be Ben.
Well, that was my thinking.






#1 Spikey THING was the strongest real non-enhanced (Mephisto) THING by a long ways... Current THING is mid CL100... Spikey was arguably the strongest hero in MARVEL (IE him saying he was "Strongest guy in town" He'd know he has fought them all)

#2 Since when is Banner (Prof. HULK) been known as a expert fighter EVER...? the answer is NEVER! He has 1/100th the fighting skills that Ben has.

#3 Rage and Rhino are nowhere close to CL100...More like CL50-60 at very best...

#4 Prof. HULK is mid CL100 PERIOD. No higher.

Originally posted by Tony Stark



#1 Spikey THING was the strongest real non-enhanced (Mephisto) THING by a long ways... Current THING is mid CL100... Spikey was arguably the strongest hero in MARVEL (IE him saying he was "Strongest guy in town" He'd know he has fought them all)

#2 Since when is Banner (Prof. HULK) been known as a expert fighter EVER...? the answer is NEVER! He has 1/100th the fighting skills that Ben has.

#3 Rage and Rhino are nowhere close to CL100...More like CL50-60 at very best...

#4 Prof. HULK is mid CL100 PERIOD. No higher.




#1 Grey Hulk pwned Spike the second time they fought. Even he can reach Spike's strength level with sufficient rage.

#2 He's not an expert fighter, but Bruce's intelligence allows for a more strategic approach.

#3 True.

#4 There is no such thing as mid class 100. But I know what you mean and it's wrong. Prof. Hulk has an unknown base strength, but it still increases with anger. That means he is stronger than Ben, since his strength is static.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He said that he can't wait to try out his new body on the Hulk. He then said, "Now I'm the strongest guy in town!"

Which doesn't mean he actually is the strongest guy in New York (a boast) much less the strongest guy on Earth (which he didn't claim).

Originally posted by Jonathanos

Hulk's will is every bit as strong as Thing's.


WTF?!?! eer

Yeah its pretty apparent you either know nothing about the Thing or are a Hulk fanboy

Originally posted by golem370
The only way Thing lasted so long against Savage Hulk was because he out fight him and outsmart him Professor Hulk is just as good of a fight as thing and he is smarter tougher stronger faster

Nope

Unless, Prof. Hulk has more than 25 years of experience in fighting and has mastered numerous forms of combat then there is no way in hell, any Hulk has more skills than Ben

That and Ben is just as strong, faster and tougher than Prof. Hulk

Originally posted by Tony Stark



#1 Spikey THING was the strongest real non-enhanced (Mephisto) THING by a long ways... Current THING is mid CL100... Spikey was arguably the strongest hero in MARVEL (IE him saying he was "Strongest guy in town" He'd know he has fought them all)

#2 Since when is Banner (Prof. HULK) been known as a expert fighter EVER...? the answer is NEVER! He has 1/100th the fighting skills that Ben has.

#3 Rage and Rhino are nowhere close to CL100...More like CL50-60 at very best...

#4 Prof. HULK is mid CL100 PERIOD. No higher.




1. Thing is not considered Class 100. Spiky Thing did nothing to make me think he was the strongest Marvel hero. His boast means very little unless it's backed up. Otherwise, Odin's omnipotent, Mjolnir's all-powerful, Hulk is stronger than Eternity, etc.

2. It's not Banner-Hulk. This is Merged/Professor Hulk who has traits of all the Hulks.

3. You're underestimating Rhino. He's strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Hulk. Hulk treated Rage like he was nothing.

4. Merged Hulk is high Class 100 when angry. He's also supposed to start out stronger than prior incarnations.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
1. Thing is not considered Class 100. Spiky Thing did nothing to make me think he was the strongest Marvel hero. His boast means very little unless it's backed up. Otherwise, Odin's omnipotent, Mjolnir's all-powerful, Hulk is stronger than Eternity, etc.

2. It's not Banner-Hulk. This is Merged/Professor Hulk who has traits of all the Hulks.

3. You're underestimating Rhino. He's strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Hulk. Hulk treated Rage like he was nothing.

4. Merged Hulk is high Class 100 when angry. He's also supposed to start out stronger than prior incarnations.

1. Thing is definitly Class 100

2. This is Prof. Hulk

3. Ben pwned Rhino when he was at 85 tons. Rhino is an idiot, get over it

4. Once again this isnt merged Hulk

Originally posted by Grimm22
WTF?!?! eer

Yeah its pretty apparent you either know nothing about the Thing or are a Hulk fanboy

No, if either of us is a fanboy it's you with your claims that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

Hulk waded through a force that flayed off his flesh. He was reduced to practically a skeletal state and still continued moving forward.

Let me know when Thing does something like that.

Prof. Hulk = Merged Hulk, technically.

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. Thing is definitly Class 100

2. This is Prof. Hulk

3. Ben pwned Rhino when he was at 85 tons. Rhino is an idiot, get over it

4. Once again this isnt merged Hulk

1. Not according to Marvel.

2. Yes, I know. You don't know your Hulk incarnations.

3. And this Hulk incarnation kayoed Rhino with one shot.

4. Once again, yes, I know. You don't know your Hulk incarnations.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
No, if either of us is a fanboy it's you with your claims that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

Hulk waded through a force that flayed off his flesh. He was reduced to practically a skeletal state and still continued moving forward.

Let me know when Thing does something like that.

Thats his healing factor

Not his durability.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
1. Not according to Marvel.

2. Yes, I know. You don't know your Hulk incarnations.

3. And this Hulk incarnation kayoed Rhino with one shot.

4. Once again, yes, I know. You don't know your Hulk incarnations.

1. Marvel handbooks lie

2. Prof. Hulk is nowhere as powerful as Savage or Mindless

3. Everybody beats Rhino, heck even Punisher did

4. Same as 2

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thats his healing factor

Not his durability.

I was referring to his will. Let me know when Thing does something comparable. Though if you want to start comparing durability, I will gladly do so.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I was referring to his will. Let me know when Thing does something comparable. Though if you want to start comparing durability, I will gladly do so.

First, thats not his willpower.

Second, Check out the Thing respect thread, then we'll talk

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. Marvel handbooks lie

2. Prof. Hulk is nowhere as powerful as Savage or Mindless

3. Everybody beats Rhino, heck even Punisher did

4. Same as 2

1. The tonnage numbers lie, yes. But Thing has never been considered Class 100 except in his Spiky state.

2. He has all of the potential of either. He simply doesn't have to get as angry to beat most opponents because he's craftier.

3. So why did you brag about Thing doing something everyone's done?

4. Same as I said earlier. You don't know your Hulks. Merged Hulk is Professor Hulk.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, thats not his willpower.

Second, Check out the Thing respect thread, then we'll talk

It is willpower. Wading into a force that is shredding you, ignoring the pain, and continuing forward requires willpower.

I did. Feel free to point to something that puts him above Hulk's durability, though...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
It is willpower. Wading into a force that is shredding you, ignoring the pain, and continuing forward requires willpower.

I did. Feel free to point to something that puts him above Hulk's durability, though...

First, even if you were to consider that willpower it isnt anywhere even CLOSE to Ben's level of willpower.

Second, its his healing factor, not his durability!

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, even if you were to consider that willpower it isnt anywhere even CLOSE to Ben's level of willpower.

Second, its his healing factor, not his durability!

Really? Show me where Thing has endured that level of pain. This should be easy since it's not "anywhere even CLOSE to Ben's level of willpower."

And I'll explain this to you again. I wasn't referring to the Vector incident for durability but willpower. And it does require willpower to withstand pain and that was beyond anything I've seen Thing endure.

But on durability, have you found anything that puts Thing above Hulk yet?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
1. The tonnage numbers lie, yes. But Thing has never been considered Class 100 except in his Spiky state.

2. He has all of the potential of either. He simply doesn't have to get as angry to beat most opponents because he's craftier.

3. So why did you brag about Thing doing something everyone's done?

4. Same as I said earlier. You don't know your Hulks. Merged Hulk is Professor Hulk.

1. Handbooks are unreliable, that and Ben is stronger now than he was in his spikey form

3. Because you were saying how awesome Rhino was

4. Yeah and as you said in #2, he isnt as powerful as Savage or Mindless

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Really? Show me where Thing has endured that level of pain. This should be easy since it's not "anywhere even CLOSE to Ben's level of willpower."

And I'll explain this to you again. I wasn't referring to the Vector incident for durability but willpower. And it does require willpower to withstand pain and that was beyond anything I've seen Thing endure.

But on durability, have you found anything that puts Thing above Hulk yet?

First, Hulk gets hurt pretty easily, its just hard to tell because of his healing factor

Second, As I said before go to the Thing respect thread, I dont have the time, nor the patience to deal with your lack of knowledge on the Thing

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. Handbooks are unreliable, that and Ben is stronger now than he was in his spikey form

3. Because you were saying how awesome Rhino was

4. Yeah and as you said in #2, he isnt as powerful as Savage or Mindless

1. Prove that Thing is stronger now than in his spiky form.

3. I was saying how Rhino is strong enough to fight the Hulk while Rage was not.

4. I said no such thing. I said he has the same potential as the savage but doesn't have to realize it because he's craftier. Savage pretty much has to bull his way through. Merged doesn't.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Hulk gets hurt pretty easily, its just hard to tell because of his healing factor

Second, As I said before go to the Thing respect thread, I dont have the time, nor the patience to deal with your lack of knowledge on the Thing

Even Merged Hulk, whom you have little respect for, survived a nuclear detonation at ground zero. Thing? Uhm...

Feel free to start listing attacks that have hurt the Hulk but wouldn't hurt Thing...

I've seen the thread. I have quite a number of FF and Thing comics. I'm not at all swayed.

Hulk is nothing but a big slow dumb@ss. But he does have enough power to put down Thing with a hard fight. The only reason Hulk beats Thing is cause his strength can increase to unkown levels.

Uhm, this particular Hulk is not exactly a "dumbass".

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Even Merged Hulk, whom you have little respect for, survived a nuclear detonation at ground zero. Thing? Uhm...

Feel free to start listing attacks that have hurt the Hulk but wouldn't hurt Thing...

I've seen the thread. I have quite a number of FF and Thing comics. I'm not at all swayed.

First, Hulk survives nuclear blasts because he ABSORBS the blast.

second, I would like to see Hulk fight the freakin champion who wasnt holding anything back for 3 rounds and still be willing to keep fighting afterwards

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Uhm, this particular Hulk is not exactly a "dumbass". Isn't this the same "dumbass" who got his @ss knocked the f*ck out by a construction worker?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Uhm, this particular Hulk is not exactly a "dumbass".

And he still has little to no skill

Originally posted by Grimm22
And he still has little to no skill As seen in Hulk #402.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hulk is nothing but a big slow dumb@ss. But he does have enough power to put down Thing with a hard fight. The only reason Hulk beats Thing is cause his strength can increase to unkown levels.

Thats pretty much how Hulk beats everyone

Strength and healing factor.

Im suprised your defending Thing here

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thats pretty much how Hulk beats everyone

Strength and healing factor.

Im suprised your defending Thing here Well I think Thing can hold his own if not win against Prof. Hulk.

Originally posted by Grimm22
And he still has little to no skill

True. But let's not overrate Thing here. He ain't no friggin' ninja himself either.

Anyway, prof. Hulk dwarfs Grimm in terms of intelligence, strength, durability, healing and stamina. He may not be an expert in hand to hand combat, but he's a smart strategic thinker. Not that he needs it against someone like Ben, but still.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
True. But let's not overrate Thing here. He ain't no friggin' ninja himself either.

Anyway, prof. Hulk dwarfs Grimm in terms of intelligence, strength, durability, healing and stamina. He may not be an expert in hand to hand combat, but he's a smart strategic thinker. Not that he needs it against someone like Ben, but still.

first, they are even in strength, and Ben is more durable.

Second, Ben is a very smart fighter, not near Cap level, but he isnt stupid.

Last, considering that Ben has mastered, Judo, Boxing, Wrestling, Grappiling, ect.. , compared to Prof. Hulk you might as well call him a ninja

Originally posted by Grimm22
first, they are even in strength, and Ben is more durable.

Second, Ben is a very smart fighter, not near Cap level, but he isnt stupid.

Last, considering that Ben has mastered, Judo, Boxing, Wrestling, Grappiling, ect.. , compared to Prof. Hulk you might as well call him a ninja

They are NOT even in strength. If Ben gives Prof a reason to become angry(by putting up a fight, for example), he will supercede him. Rather Easily.

Also, Ben is NOT more durable, certainly not when Bruce gets angry.

Ben is indeed a good fighter, but he's not a thinker. Science smarts can give Bruce a different kind of advantage during a fight. And btw, you're understimating prof. Hulk when it comes to fighting. He's pretty decent. He's gained a lot of experience over the years.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Prof. Hulk = Merged Hulk, technically.

This is true. Marvel calls Prof. Hulk, Merged Hulk.

Originally posted by Grimm22
first, they are even in strength, and Ben is more durable.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

Hulk would beat Grimm up with his dick alone if he wanted to. Hulk 10/10.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
No, if either of us is a fanboy it's you with your claims that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

Hulk waded through a force that flayed off his flesh. He was reduced to practically a skeletal state and still continued moving forward.

Let me know when Thing does something like that.

... that's because Nobody has been able to flay the flesh off Ben's bones.

And, I have to say that he has faced the U-foes several times.

no flaying.

Originally posted by batdude123
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

Hulk would beat Grimm up with his dick alone if he wanted to. Hulk 10/10.
.....

Originally posted by Skeets
.....

You know it's true.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
They are NOT even in strength. If Ben gives Prof a reason to become angry(by putting up a fight, for example), he will supercede him. Rather Easily.

Also, Ben is NOT more durable, certainly not when Bruce gets angry.

Ben is indeed a good fighter, but he's not a thinker. Science smarts can give Bruce a different kind of advantage during a fight. And btw, you're understimating prof. Hulk when it comes to fighting. He's pretty decent. He's gained a lot of experience over the years.

I have to addres the durability and will-power factors here.

When the Void was breaking Hulk's bones, he wasn't looking to good.

When the Champion had busted up half the bones in Ben's body, even as a class 85, he kept coming back for more.

no matter what.

Originally posted by Horrificus
... that's because Nobody has been able to flay the flesh off Ben's bones.

And, I have to say that he has faced the U-foes several times.

no flaying.
Has any body tried? If not, then that fact is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I have to addres the durability and will-power factors here.

When the Void was breaking Hulk's bones, he wasn't looking to good.

When the Champion had busted up half the bones in Ben's body, even as a class 85, he kept coming back for more.

no matter what.
Buddy, you're referring to a Hulk that was reduced to a thumb-sucking baby thanks to the Sentry's calming light aura. It's not really a good reference.

Originally posted by Accel
Has any body tried? If not, then that fact is irrelevant.

yes, Vector has tried.
many times.

no flaying.

Originally posted by Horrificus
yes, Vector has tried.
many times.

no flaying.
Then something tells me it wasn't the same kind of blast. The one that flayed the skin off of Hulk's body wasn't a heating blast, but one that literally repelled the skin off of his body. On another occasion, Hulk ran right through Vector's powers without any trouble whatsoever.

Originally posted by batdude123
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

Hulk would beat Grimm up with his dick alone if he wanted to. Hulk 10/10.

Input Batman Joke ____________________

Originally posted by Horrificus
I have to addres the durability and will-power factors here.

When the Void was breaking Hulk's bones, he wasn't looking to good.

When the Champion had busted up half the bones in Ben's body, even as a class 85, he kept coming back for more.

no matter what.

Yeah the sentry series...not a good reference.

Still though its insane to say that ANY Hulk is even CLOSE to the willpower of the Thing.

Ben is close to if not on Hal Jordon's level

Originally posted by Horrificus
I have to addres the durability and will-power factors here.

When the Void was breaking Hulk's bones, he wasn't looking to good.

When the Champion had busted up half the bones in Ben's body, even as a class 85, he kept coming back for more.

no matter what.

Like others said, Hulk is affected by Sentry.

In FF #374, a swipe of Wolverine's claws had Thing hunching over. In Enemy Of The State, a single stab from Wolverine had Thing down. Want to compare that with how Hulk has handled far more severe injuries?

Originally posted by Horrificus
yes, Vector has tried.
many times.

no flaying.

Show me where Vector tried to flay the Thing.

Originally posted by Grimm22
first, they are even in strength, and Ben is more durable.

Second, Ben is a very smart fighter, not near Cap level, but he isnt stupid.

Last, considering that Ben has mastered, Judo, Boxing, Wrestling, Grappiling, ect.. , compared to Prof. Hulk you might as well call him a ninja

They are not even in strength. When they were trapped deep underground and the Hulk and Thing were holding up the cave-in, Thing looked to be straining for all he was worth while Hulk had a smile on his face.

In an issue of FF Unlimited, Merged Hulk casually stopped Thing's punch, and face-planted him. Thing's response: "If I ever was in his class, I ain't no more."

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Hulk survives nuclear blasts because he ABSORBS the blast.

second, I would like to see Hulk fight the freakin champion who wasnt holding anything back for 3 rounds and still be willing to keep fighting afterwards

Hulk survives nukes because he's that durable. Show me where it says the Hulk absorbs the blast.

And Hulk would have done better than Thing against Champion.

Originally posted by Grimm22

Still though its insane to say that ANY Hulk is even CLOSE to the willpower of the Thing.


Unlike actual powers, (like flight, super strength, speed or magic), willpower cannot be truly claimed that easily because everyone can develope it or have bursts of it. Remember, a person can have a lack of will one moment, and the next he's willing to go all the way. The same goes for Thing and Hulk.

What makes you think Banner-Hulk wasn't absolutely hellbent on bracing that mountain long enough? Or what about any other instance where Savage Hulk's base strength wasn't enough?

Btw, you're confusing nuclear bombs with gamma bombs.

There's no way to say definitively who has the greater willpower. Both will fight until they die. They won't give up.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Show me where Vector tried to flay the Thing.

Vector only has one weapon.
Force.
When he shot the Hulk, the force he produced flayed all the meat off of Hulk.

When he shot the Thing, this did not happen.

You figure out why. It isn't on me to do that. I just showed you what has happened.

But, the "ray" was the same.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Vector only has one weapon.
Force.
When he shot the Hulk, the force he produced flayed all the meat off of Hulk.

When he shot the Thing, this did not happen.

You figure out why. It isn't on me to do that. I just showed you what has happened.

But, the "ray" was the same.
How do you know the ray was the same? In one confrontation with the Hulk, Vector just used his powers to throw stuff at a charging Hulk. The one that tore off Hulk's skin was a ray that repelled matter, meaning it repelled his skin off his body. His rays aren't all the same apparently.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
They are not even in strength. When they were trapped deep underground and the Hulk and Thing were holding up the cave-in, Thing looked to be straining for all he was worth while Hulk had a smile on his face.

In an issue of FF Unlimited, Merged Hulk casually stopped Thing's punch, and face-planted him. Thing's response: "If I ever was in his class, I ain't no more."

Real good point here, I remember the latter comic. Anyone have scans?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Vector only has one weapon.
Force.
When he shot the Hulk, the force he produced flayed all the meat off of Hulk.

When he shot the Thing, this did not happen.

You figure out why. It isn't on me to do that. I just showed you what has happened.

But, the "ray" was the same.

When did Thing face Vector? Was Vector going all-out? What happened to Thing? Did he get tossed away?

Hulk has run through Vector's TK without harm.

Anyone know the issue number of this encounter between Vector and Thing?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
They are not even in strength. When they were trapped deep underground and the Hulk and Thing were holding up the cave-in, Thing looked to be straining for all he was worth while Hulk had a smile on his face.

Boy you sure are a entertaining person. You should look both ways before crossing the street son.

What's the term? Backpedaling?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Boy you sure are a entertaining person. You should look both ways before crossing the street son.

What's the term? Backpedaling?

Show me where I'm backpedalling.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Show me where I'm backpedalling. If I actually give a sh!t I would. But you know what I am talking about. Let's just leave it at that.

Originally posted by S.G
Um didn't Hulk come before Grundy Hence why he said ripoff (" Green Grundy", a ripoff of) , for a person who uses sarcasm and calls people stupid, you sure do have poor reading comprehension skills.

Um.... actually, no. Solomon Grundy premiered in 1944 as one of Alan Scott's villains. Hulk premiered in 1962. So yeah, Hulk is a Grundy ripoff.

Originally posted by batdude123
Um.... actually, no. Solomon Grundy premiered in 1944 as one of Alan Scott's villains. Hulk premiered in 1962. So yeah, Hulk is a Grundy ripoff. Yea Grundy has a good 20 years on Hulk.

Originally posted by batdude123
Um.... actually, no. Solomon Grundy premiered in 1944 as one of Alan Scott's villains. Hulk premiered in 1962. So yeah, Hulk is a Grundy ripoff. Hulk even copied the Grundy smash thing. Just because Hulk is more popular doesn't mean he came first.

Ugh, im not going to waste my time arguing with a hulk fanboy. It isnt worth it

Everybody knows that Grundy came first. Although I do believe it has more to do with coincidence than consciously ripping him off.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ugh, im not going to waste my time arguing with a hulk fanboy. It isnt worth it Omg, because thing can't win the majority we are Hulk fanboys fear

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Omg, because thing can't win the majority we are Hulk fanboys fear

First, im not talking to you.

Second, Prof. Hulk is very overrated

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I actually give a sh!t I would. But you know what I am talking about. Let's just leave it at that.
Does it have somehting to do with Colossus?
Originally posted by batdude123
Um.... actually, no. Solomon Grundy premiered in 1944 as one of Alan Scott's villains. Hulk premiered in 1962. So yeah, Hulk is a Grundy ripoff.
Yep. Hulk did pretty much develop a Grundy persona.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, im not talking to you.

Second, Prof. Hulk is very overrated
It's not really overrating him to say he beats Thing.

Originally posted by Accel
It's not really overrating him to say he beats Thing.

once again im talking to that fanboy I was arguing with before.

Still though there is no evidince to say that Current Ben would lose to Prof. Hulk

Originally posted by Grimm22
once again im talking to that fanboy I was arguing with before.
Jon? He seems to be pretty well informed. It's not like he's made any thing up.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Still though there is no evidince to say that Current Ben would lose to Prof. Hulk
I would say just about every one of their confrontations is a good indication, like this one...
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7656/ffun4jj7.th.gif

Originally posted by Accel
Jon? He seems to be pretty well informed. It's not like he's made any thing up.

I would say just about every one of their confrontations is a good indication, like this one...
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7656/ffun4jj7.th.gif
God what a loser.

Originally posted by Accel
Jon? He seems to be pretty well informed. It's not like he's made any thing up.

I would say just about every one of their confrontations is a good indication, like this one...
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7656/ffun4jj7.th.gif

Current Ben is stronger than he was then

Second, thats a crap showing, Ben NEVER gives up.

Hulk wins Thing does not even survive this attack.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I actually give a sh!t I would. But you know what I am talking about. Let's just leave it at that.

Now THAT was backpedalling.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ugh, im not going to waste my time arguing with a hulk fanboy. It isnt worth it

Translation:

You cannot prove that Thing is stronger than his spiky version.

You cannot prove that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

You cannot prove that the Hulk survives nukes because he absorbs them.

You pretty much cannot support anything you're claiming so you adopt a superior attitude, call the opposition fanboys, and hope it covers your tracks.

It doesn't.

No one knows when Thing and Vector fought?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Translation:

You cannot prove that Thing is stronger than his spiky version.

You cannot prove that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

You cannot prove that the Hulk survives nukes because he absorbs them.

You pretty much cannot support anything you're claiming so you adopt a superior attitude, call the opposition fanboys, and hope it covers your tracks.

It doesn't.

Grimm=owned.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
No one knows when Thing and Vector fought?
Apparently not. You can stop asking now.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Translation:

You cannot prove that Thing is stronger than his spiky version.

You cannot prove that Thing is more durable than Hulk.

You cannot prove that the Hulk survives nukes because he absorbs them.

You pretty much cannot support anything you're claiming so you adopt a superior attitude, call the opposition fanboys, and hope it covers your tracks.

It doesn't.

Good post.

The reason no one knows the issue number is probably because it doesn't exist. I would like for the person who claimed it happened to admit it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Um.... actually, no. Solomon Grundy premiered in 1944 as one of Alan Scott's villains. Hulk premiered in 1962. So yeah, Hulk is a Grundy ripoff. If you are referring to me that is what I'm saying, hence a Green Grundy, saying he was a ripoff of him, if I was saying he was a Hulk ripoff I would have said a grey and white Hulk or something to that effect.
Clear now?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If you are referring to me that is what I'm saying, hence a Green Grundy, saying he was a ripoff of him, if I was saying he was a Hulk ripoff I would have said a grey and white Hulk or something to that effect.
Clear now?

Yeah, actually it was directed towards Jonathanos.

Sorry, gotcha then, it was under me so you know the rest...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sorry, gotcha then, it was under me so you know the rest...

Yep, I know how that goes.