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Have they fought already? If not, who'd win if they fight.

In-Betweener

Originally posted by Synchro
Have they fought already? If not, who'd win if they fight.

IB FTW

still i-b

In-Betweener

Statlemate.

I consider that Galactus is slightly above Ego.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Statlemate.

I consider that Galactus is slightly above Ego.

Just out of curiousity, if Galactus is slightly above Ego, why wouldn't the In-Betweener be since they are essentially opposites?

In-Betweener

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Just out of curiousity, if Galactus is slightly above Ego, why wouldn't the In-Betweener be since they are essentially opposites?

Because the trinity of Eternity, Galactus and Death is more powerful that Order, In-Betweener and Chaos.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Because the trinity of Eternity, Galactus and Death is more powerful that Order, In-Betweener and Chaos.

True, but Galactus wasn't able to beat or even get the upper hand on the In-Betweener. They were perfectly even.

Nevermind. That's your opinion, and I respect it. Not going to debate it. Was just curious.

isnt ego stronger than galactus?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, but Galactus wasn't able to beat or even get the upper hand on the In-Betweener. They were perfectly even.

Nevermind. That's your opinion, and I respect it. Not going to debate it. Was just curious.

Galactus was feeble. He had been put knock-out, and decide to fight I-B after raising. Still he give him a match. A prepared Galactus would probably beat him.

Originally posted by george '06
isnt ego stronger than galactus?

No

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Galactus was feeble. He had been put knock-out, and decide to fight I-B after raising. Still he give him a match. A prepared Galactus would probably beat him.

It was the In-Betweener who knocked him out with a blast.

didnt intbetweener practicaly stalemate galactus ?

the inbetweener will easily win this battle... he will simply find the oppersite force to Ego and blast him with it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, but Galactus wasn't able to beat or even get the upper hand on the In-Betweener. They were perfectly even.

Nevermind. That's your opinion, and I respect it. Not going to debate it. Was just curious.


looks like the upper hand to me
http://i29.tinypic.com/2jg2br8.jpg

Originally posted by george '06
looks like the upper hand to me
http://i29.tinypic.com/2jg2br8.jpg

And how many pages did the fight continue to go after this, including this happening?

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801813nr0.jpg

doesnt change that Galactus, at some point had the upper hand, while they werent close to the black hole

Originally posted by george '06
doesnt change that Galactus, at some point had the upper hand, while they werent close to the black hole

The In-Betweener wasn't even close to losing when that happened, and he knocked Galactus back when they also weren't close to the black hole. So, if you want to say Galactus had the upper hand at some point, you can say the same for the In-Betweener.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

The In-Betweener wasn't even close to losing when that happened, and he knocked Galactus back when they also weren't close to the black hole. So, if you want to say Galactus had the upper hand at some point, you can say the same for the In-Betweener.


Galactus and the In-Betweener are equals.

This was proven on panel in Silver Surfer #18, how can anyone argue this?

btw. None of them had the upper hand, it was a dead stalemate.

Ego had a good showing vs Galactus

Was that a well fed Galactus who fought IB?

I alway thought Galactus operating at his high levels > IB

Originally posted by Mr Master

btw. None of them had the upper hand, it was a dead stalemate.

Originally posted by Mindset

Was that a well fed Galactus who fought IB?
The issue never confirms what level Galactus was at.

I'll flip some pages from the prior issue, see if I find anything.
Originally posted by Mindset

I alway thought Galactus operating at his high levels > IB
Galactus can increase in power beyond the IB for sure.
(by feeding substantially)

The IB, while he doesn't exactly increase in power,
can call upon whatever power that's opposite to his opponent's,
which in a way has the same affect as an increase, yet not exactly.

Galactus ... vs ... the In-Betweener .... (full fight)


They stalemated until they reached the Black Hole,
where the In-Betweener would've gained the edge,
but the Elders, Nova and Silver Surfer interfered:


http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462665_G1.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462663_G2.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462667_G3.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462669_G4.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462671_G5.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462673_G6.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462675_G7.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462677_G8.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462679_G9.jpg

That's where it ended without any interference.


continues in the next post ....

continues ....


Had it not been for the interference,
the In-Betweener would've won it seems:
(because of the inter-dimensional space between realities) ... a Black Hole in those days.


http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462681_H1.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462683_H2.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462685_H3.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462687_H4.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462689_H5.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462691_H6.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
continues ....


Had it not been for the interference,
the In-Betweener would've won it seems:
(because of the inter-dimensional space between realities) ... a Black Hole in those days.


But, Galactus was SEVERLY weakned.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster

But, Galactus was SEVERLY weakned.
When he reached the Black Hole?

I don't think so, the IB is simply more powerful in that specific spot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When he reached the Black Hole?

I don't think so, the IB is simply more powerful in that specific spot.

No, before the fight. He haven't fed to restore himself.

i was just about to post that whole fight

by strict definition, that wasn't a fight between cosmic entities so much as a boxing match.

Taken in that regard, Galactus was actually DEFEATING the In-Betweener.

How I arrived at the conclusion: Just count the number of attacks that G landed, vs. the number of attacks IB landed. It's quite petty, I know, but the entire conflict is a fist-fight. Therefore, you have to judge it as such, and G had the upper hand. It's mainly artistic depiction, but as such it's a boxing match-the boxer who lands the most hits wins the match, barring any KOs.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

i was just about to post that whole fight

by strict definition, that wasn't a fight between cosmic entities so much as a boxing match.

Taken in that regard, Galactus was actually DEFEATING the In-Betweener.

How I arrived at the conclusion: Just count the number of attacks that G landed, vs. the number of attacks IB landed. It's quite petty, I know, but the entire conflict is a fist-fight. Therefore, you have to judge it as such, and G had the upper hand. It's mainly artistic depiction, but as such it's a boxing match-the boxer who lands the most hits wins the match, barring any KOs.
T, I love your G knowledge,
but I can't agree that G was winning, or losing for that matter,
they were clearly stalemating imo according to the scans.

They blasted each other a few times,
and there was an MMA element to it, (a few throws and such, punches)
but G didn't have the upper hand, nor vice versa.

In fact, the IB was the one that got the edge when they drifted towards the BH.

I guess if we have to score the fight based on hits, (7 to 5)
then meh, I guess, but that's a bit of a reach imo.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
But, Galactus was SEVERLY weakned. Originally posted by Mr Master
When he reached the Black Hole?

I don't think so, the IB is simply more powerful in that specific spot. Originally posted by Bouboumaster
No, before the fight. He haven't fed to restore himself.

Galactus was incredibly weak in the immediate preceding issue (SS vol 3. #17)

G is so weak, IB actually tries to Kill Big G with a blast
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3656/silversurfer198801713lu2.th.jpg

The IB's powers have zero lasting effect on Galactus, since Galactus is singularly unique in the universe, as such, IB's powers cannot effect him as Galactus has no opposite in the cosmic hierarchy-"no force to counterbalance his"
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5158/silversurfer198801714td5.th.jpg

Now since the elders are forbidden to enter death's realm, they have lived in galactus since he ingested them, back in issue #10. However, all that time they were in galactus' "stomach", they haven't been just chillin, they've been attacking galactus from within, and G is helpless to stop their attacks, so that is why he is extremely weak
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5499/silversurfer198801720ed8.th.jpg

the elders are eventually cast out, and galactus yaks them out from his mouth
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6735/silversurfer198801722ly9.th.jpg

Galactus is PISSED
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6242/silversurfer198801723enun3.th.jpg

So yeah, G was incredibly weak before fighting the IB.

Originally posted by Mr Master
T, I love your G knowledge,
but I can't agree that G was winning, or losing for that matter,
they were clearly stalemating imo according to the scans.

They blasted each other a few times,
and there was an MMA element to it, (a few throws and such, punches)
but G didn't have the upper hand, nor vice versa.

In fact, the IB was the one that got the edge when they drifted towards the BH.

I guess if we have to score the fight based on hits, (7 to 5)
then meh, I guess, but that's a bit of a reach imo.

yeah the blackhole turned the tide to IB's favor, as it was the nexus point or whatever it's supposed to be, between the "magik" realm and the "science" realm of eternity and death, etc. That i won't argue

but still, per my post above, the most IB managed to do was stalemate G, even after G was incredibly weak from being attacked from within. I suppose it's not unlike a severe case of food poisoning, then immediately enter into a boxing match after the perpetrating agents have been expelled.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

Galactus was incredibly weak in the immediate preceding issue (SS vol 3. #17)

G is so weak, IB actually tries to Kill Big G with a blast
That's before Chaos and Order restored him though.
Originally posted by Tenebrous

So yeah, G was incredibly weak before fighting the IB.
Not exactly:

Actually, G was restored by Order and Chaos:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3272/g1gf6.th.jpg

"When one rides with the Gods, all things are possible,
the saving of ourselves, and the restoration of Galactus"



Order and Chaos extracted the Elders,
and restored Galactus,
now he's ready:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462784_G2.jpg

And yes, pissed!

Originally posted by Tenebrous

yeah the blackhole turned the tide to IB's favor, as it was the nexus point or whatever it's supposed to be, between the "magik" realm and the "science" realm of eternity and death, etc. That i won't argue

but still, per my post above, the most IB managed to do was stalemate G



Originally posted by Tenebrous

even after G was incredibly weak from being attacked from within. I suppose it's not unlike a severe case of food poisoning, then immediately enter into a boxing match after the perpetrating agents have been expelled.
G has gotten one shotted by Rachel while extremely weak,
and gets defeated by heroes when in the same condition,
no way he's stalemating the In-Betweener at that stage of power, no ... way.

He was obviously restored to at-least normal levels by Order and Chaos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's before Chaos and Order restored him though.

Not exactly:

Actually, G was restored by Order and Chaos:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3272/g1gf6.th.jpg

"When one rides with the Gods, all things are possible,
the saving of ourselves, and the restoration of Galactus"



Order and Chaos extracted the Elders,
and restored Galactus,
now he's ready:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462784_G2.jpg

And yes, pissed!

hmm I dunno about that, as then it's kind of an interpretation of "restore"

Restore: restore Galactus to his natural self

Restore: restore Galactus to "normality" by removing the elders

I can see it goes both ways, but my personal interpretation is they cast the elders out of G, "restoring" him to his previous situation (no elders in his stomach).

Again it can go in either interpretation (yours vs. mine), but I'm a bit uncomfortable thinking that chaos and order can restore galactus to normal power levels, when eternity never gave a damn when galactus was near death, and certainly took his sweet time when G actually died and abraxas was running wild.

Back to the topic at hand. Didn't Galactus need Thors help to defeat Ego when they met?

Originally posted by Mr Master




G has gotten one shotted by Rachel while extremely weak,
and gets defeated by heroes when in the same condition,
no way he's stalemating the In-Betweener at that stage of power, no ... way.

He was obviously restored to at-least normal levels by Order and Chaos.

true, but in those instances G had no vested interest, or felt personally threatened or been on the receiving end of rash effrontery.

Galactus wanted to PUNISH IB.

It a powerful showing for Lord Chaos and Master Order.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

as then it's kind of an interpretation of "restore"

Restore: restore Galactus to his natural self

Restore: restore Galactus to "normality" by removing the elders

I can see it goes both ways, but my personal interpretation is they cast the elders out of G, "restoring" him to his previous situation (no elders in his stomach).

Again it can go in either interpretation (yours vs. mine)
True, true.
Originally posted by Tenebrous

but I'm a bit uncomfortable thinking that chaos and order can restore galactus to normal power levels, when eternity never gave a damn when galactus was near death, and certainly took his sweet time when G actually died and abraxas was running wild.
I hear you,
but it should make us both uncomfortable that G (extremely weak)
can stalemate the In-Betweener.

I mean, IB isn't some push over,
he freaking treated Mistress Death like a joke,
after using her to do his will:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462852_D1.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462853_D2.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
True, true.

I hear you,
but it should make us both uncomfortable that G (extremely weak)
can stalemate the In-Betweener.

I mean, IB isn't some push over,
he freaking treated Mistress Death like a joke,
after using her to do his will:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462852_D1.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462853_D2.jpg

true also. Though Death did exact complete and utter revenge....I forgot how though, but IB was totally incapacitated afterwards, IIRC. Perhaps it was during the Thanos Quest? I can't remember and am a bit lazy to pull up my thanos scans.

About Death, I see what you're saying about IB summoning Death to do his bidding (i can't recall anyone doing that to Death), since death is part of his being as representing dualities and opposite extremes. Obviously IB is no pushover...but here's the reason why i don't find it so uncomfortable for G to stalemate IB:

1. IB himself stated that G is the one, singular unique entity in this universe (or any other). As such, none of IB's summoning powers can work on G...in some ways i'd say G is in someways IB's opposite in the sense that G embodies everything that IB is not; IB is opposing extremes, G is the "balance" between. So none of IB's powers about controlling/manipulating extremes and opposites can work on G, as G has no opposite.

2. IB's favorite accessory, the Soul Gem, has zero effect on Galactus. So that G is among the very SMALL list of entities that don't have to worry about its power.

So those are perhaps the IB's two most formidable and primary weapons available to him, rendered inconsequential against Galactus...obviously, the same can't hold true even for more powerful entities (i.e., Death)...so that's why I don't really have a problem concerning G and IB.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

true also. Though Death did exact complete and utter revenge....I forgot how though, but IB was totally incapacitated afterwards, IIRC. Perhaps it was during the Thanos Quest? I can't remember and am a bit lazy to pull up my thanos scans.
He was trapped by Order and Chaos.
Originally posted by Tenebrous

About Death, I see what you're saying about IB summoning Death to do his bidding (i can't recall anyone doing that to Death), since death is part of his being as representing dualities and opposite extremes. Obviously IB is no pushover...but here's the reason why i don't find it so uncomfortable for G to stalemate IB:

1. IB himself stated that G is the one, singular unique entity in this universe (or any other). As such, none of IB's summoning powers can work on G...in some ways i'd say G is in someways IB's opposite in the sense that G embodies everything that IB is not; IB is opposing extremes, G is the "balance" between. So none of IB's powers about controlling/manipulating extremes and opposites can work on G, as G has no opposite.

2. IB's favorite accessory, the Soul Gem, has zero effect on Galactus. So that G is among the very SMALL list of entities that don't have to worry about its power.

So those are perhaps the IB's two most formidable and primary weapons available to him, rendered inconsequential against Galactus...obviously, the same can't hold true even for more powerful entities (i.e., Death)...so that's why I don't really have a problem concerning G and IB.
Don't get me wrong,

G > IB (potentially, cause G can increase in power, while IB remains constant)

Normal G = IB, that's what I got from their battle.

Under specific circumstances, IB > G,
and we already know what stipulation that is.

Originally posted by Mr Master
True, true.

I hear you,
but it should make us both uncomfortable that G (extremely weak)
can stalemate the In-Betweener.

I mean, IB isn't some push over,
he freaking treated Mistress Death like a joke,
after using her to do his will:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462852_D1.jpg http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/462853_D2.jpg
Here's a thought, if IB can call upon Mistress Death like that shouldn't he be able to do the same to Eternity?

Originally posted by darthgoober

Here's a thought,
if IB can call upon Mistress Death like that shouldn't he be able to do the same to Eternity?
Good point.

Eternity is above Death in power though,
cause he embodies the energies of everything within him.

Wish all writers would stick to that truth more often,
Eternity would get a lot more respect.

But in terms of status, they are equals.

Can we consider that the heralds and the Ultimate Nullifer are Galactus, since the heralds are created with his energy to serve him, and the UN is a part of his power?

I consider the UN his power, because it's a part of him, but since heralds are sentient beings they are not, imo.

Marvel doesn't treat Eternity fair. Portrayed as a jobber. Last time we saw Eternity, he was being 'healed' by heroes. What a shame

Death and Eternity always struggle with Death seeking the upper hand

Agreed on Eternity needing more respect. He should be next in line below the LT.

Exactly