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Life.
Who knows what life is?
Why do we have a designated number of years we're on earth?
How come humans can live up to a hundred years but a small bug or rodent or animal only lives for a few?
Nobody knows....Thats why I started this thread, because I wanted to hear your opinions and questions and statements..

Life begins, life ends and new life begins. It is the cycle of rebirth each life we are here to seek knowledge.

What if we are NOW a reincarnation of something and dont know it? I think we're being put into some type of test or something. For example we are born as an animal, do our task, die. And are reborn into something else.

If you have ever read a book called "Nocturnal Wichcraft" by Konstious (or something like that) you will know of his theory that we live to gain somethin, to complite a task, maybe we need to learn loyality if we cheated in a pastlife or respect, he also uses a Khama (sp?) system where if we are bad in life we go down and become an animal of less value. Now I agree with him on this it just seams to make sense to me.

Ive never heard of it. That sounds really awesome though. Something I could familiarize myself with!

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
Ive never heard of it. That sounds really awesome though. Something I could familiarize myself with!

It's a great book

Nice. Ill do my research on it on Google or somethin

ok

whats the use of learning knowledge and lessons?

What point are you trying to get across?

To become wiser. spiritual, loving, compassionate, and be more of what God is?

It would do away with the "Hell" theory. Many in the early church believed in reincarnation, like origen, Augustine. Justinian wanted to control the masses with the "Only One Life" theory.

"What did you just say?" Lol That seemed like a good quote to say at the time, because I really dont have any idea what you just said. I understand the reincarnation but as far as Augustine and origin, No..

They are early church fathers...in the first few centuries...People don't realize that not all the church fathers believed what is taught today..many believed in reincarnation...hmmmm...History, gotta read your history...

So some early fathers of the church taught the cycle of life was reincarnation along with some Jews, and Muslums...etc...

And some taught that you live and die once and either Bliss-ville, or Hell-ville. For eternity.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
They are early church fathers...in the first few centuries...People don't realize that not all the church fathers believed what is taught today..many believed in reincarnation...hmmmm...History, gotta read your history...

So some early fathers of the church taught the cycle of life was reincarnation along with some Jews, and Muslums...etc...

And some taught that you live and die once and either Bliss-ville, or Hell-ville. For eternity.....

One of the earliest religions is wicca or "Witchcraft" this was far before Christianity, it says that we reincarnate and live again, to learn knowledge and finally once we become "enlightened" this proses of life and death stop and we return to the "source", this is what I have come to believe as have many of the major religions today, such as Christianity, Buddhism and some neopagan traditions.

The concept of living once is something I like but unfortunately can believe due to its pure ignorance, it seems to suggest that souls are being created when ever someone is born, the afterlife would be crowded.

Originally posted by debbiejo
They are early church fathers...in the first few centuries...People don't realize that not all the church fathers believed what is taught today..many believed in reincarnation...hmmmm...History, gotta read your history...

So some early fathers of the church taught the cycle of life was reincarnation along with some Jews, and Muslums...etc...

And some taught that you live and die once and either Bliss-ville, or Hell-ville. For eternity.....

Ah, I getcha. We arent taught this stuff in school. There is to be NO form of religious teachings where I go. I go to County.

These questions can never be answeared because no one knows and alot of people have different views on stuff that not everyone argees with.jm

True but its an awesome subject to discuss, to hear different views.

Well there are some things about life that are a mystery.. and other things that are obvious. How long we live and why can be explained by science, but there are other mysteries of life that science cannot answer yet.

Like out of body experiences..near death and so on...What a mystery.

Near death can be explained by science, it's just that when a person's heart stops beating, they don't die immediately. Their brain and vital organs still work, they just stop until something restarts them...

I was thinking more along the lines of the origin of life. Like how did the first form of life come to existence. Isn't it pretty much a scientific law that you can't make living matter out of non-living matter?

Science can't explaine anything, there are far more theorys that are considerd "Occult" than scientific ones, science just trys to debunk everthing we believe in, so they can control us. Think of this they tell you for example carrots are healthy, but how do you know? they just tell you this (that was an example by the way so don't tell me why carrots are good for you because I am only making a point)

JM< That's true. And I just wonder why it had to be made that way, you know. We have a set date. Like what exact day and time we are born, and die.

Afro< True..We may never know any of those "mysteries" either...yet we may.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I was thinking more along the lines of the origin of life. Like how did the first form of life come to existence. Isn't it pretty much a scientific law that you can't make living matter out of non-living matter?

That's what I always thought. Can't get life from non-life..A lifeless dead rock will always be a dead rock..

Yeah but rocks arent dead or alive. They can be newer/younger rocks or they could be those old precambrian rocks or whatever you call them. They ARE lifeless, but they arent dead!

Yes they are. One of the definitions of dead is "Not having the capacity to live; inanimate or inert." That would mean rocks are technically dead. Everything can be classified as either living or dead.

Technical....Technical I tell ya

Well...in that case...What about my computer?....

What about it?

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
Life.
Who knows what life is?
Why do we have a designated number of years we're on earth?
How come humans can live up to a hundred years but a small bug or rodent or animal only lives for a few?
Nobody knows....Thats why I started this thread, because I wanted to hear your opinions and questions and statements..

Life literally means living, our time on Earth. Otherwise, the meaning differs.

We don't have a designated number of years. We have a lifespan, just like any animal.

Because, to put it bluntly, we're not as vulnerable and we're smarter.

-AC

Afro< You said anything could be classified as living or dead...

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I was thinking more along the lines of the origin of life. Like how did the first form of life come to existence. Isn't it pretty much a scientific law that you can't make living matter out of non-living matter?

Actually, I think a group of scientists recently discovered that protein molecules can be created from basically nothing... Which is the first step in life coming from a ball of molten rock.

"Dead" in the scientific sense is something that was once living, but isn't any longer. Rocks are non-living; leather is dead.

And Filth... No offense pal, but that was really a pretty stupid statement. The fact that you don't believe anything scientists say doesn't mean that science can't explain anything. The idea of a scientific theory is that anybody with the right tools/resources can go out and find proof of the theory, or replicate the theory through experimentation. So yeah, you COULD take a carrot and figure out its molecular structure for yourself, but as a non member of the scientific community most people choose to take scientists' word on things like that. There are certain things that are pointless to debate. For example, you could claim that the sun revolves around the earth, but it would be pointless as you couldn't prove it.

Science only debunks stupid religious/occult crap like the sun revolving around the earth, witchcraft, and walking under ladders being bad luck. Dammit!! Now they have control of me!!! *runs away*

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
Afro< You said anything could be classified as living or dead... Oh. Why would your computer be considered alive? It's a machine, just because it's functioning doesn't mean it's living.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Actually, I think a group of scientists recently discovered that protein molecules can be created from basically nothing... Which is the first step in life coming from a ball of molten rock.

"Dead" in the scientific sense is something that was once living, but isn't any longer. Rocks are non-living; leather is dead.
They have theories about how life can come from no life, but nothing has been proven. Until they can successfully test their hypothesis and recreate what they propose happen, it's still a mystery.

That's one of the definitions, but that only applies when you're referring to organisms. Anything that is inanimate is technically dead, seeing that dead and lifeless are basically synonymous.

But dead and non-living aren't synonomous...

What I really meant about the protein molecules was that I'd heard somewhere that some scientists had actually created said scenario in a lab. Though I don't know if it's true.

They could be, depends one the way you are using the word. When people hear the word dead they always think of deceased, but really anything that doesn't have the capacity for life is considered dead as well. People just don't usually use it that way cause it sounds weird.

I haven't heard anything about them making protein molecules, could be true. All I know is that so far they can't create life from non living material. In fact, from what I recall that's a scientific law.

I doubt it's a law, probably a theory, since there's really no way to prove the assertion that they can't... Any more than you could prove they can.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Oh. Why would your computer be considered alive? It's a machine, just because it's functioning doesn't mean it's living.



I know afro. Im not that stupid. I know its a machine but the thing is, you said anything could classified as alive or dead. The computer isnt alive and it isnt dead either........

If you look at it we are just like a computer , just more advanced. How long does it take before something gains conceincenes. I of course don't think computers have a conceince now, but i do think that in the long run they will eventually.
Once you destroy a functioning system it ends. The brain is no different once you have destroyed it, why would conceincenes have to continue. Are thoughts are nothing but an electrical flow from memory bank to memory bank once this process has stoped, why would the process of reincarnation have to acure? Better yet how? And why would god have a test of faith? He would be testing his on creation. I think when we die thats the end of use. But over a long period of time, and most likely not even on this earth. life will evolve to being able to pass down memories throu genetics. To the point that its like life never even dies. If you ask me the reason for why the bible was written was to keep things in order. Because i agree without the bible the world would suck. People would be killing others left and right, if no one believed in god. And the human race would end fast if not all life as we know it. IGNORANCE TO THIS THEORY IS BLISS!