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Seeing how ali vs lee brought up a heated debate,who would you guys consider the best fighter ever!Now for all you movie buffs,this is not the greatest action star ever.I'm talking Vale tudo nhb tournement stuff.
(i might have posted this on the sports forum once,can't remember).

I might have to go with Bas Rutten

The Untertaker

pound for pound. frank shamrock in my mind

Originally posted by bardock
pound for pound. frank shamrock in my mind

He is probley up there, but he quit to early.


I would say Fedor Emelienko.

But my favorite is Randy Cotoure

me.....

Awesome.
I consider my self second.Only to Bas of course! lol

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1500

best.

he's real good

i've always liked him.

jinzin is everything you need to know...

the greatest fighter is probably some guy who died on a battle field a long time ago. Or some monk high up in a mountain somewhere.

personally i would say that the archangel Gabriel is the best fighter.

Achilles

i'll agree to that...

Royce Gracie
Chris Mark
Tony Jaa
Jet-Li
Bruce Lee
Jackie Chan
Emerson Wong
Muhammad Ali
My older Brother
Andy Hug
Ramon Dekkers
Umar Khan
Hirokazu Kanazama
ME
Bas Rutten
Sony Liston


One of these guys... In no order...

Probably a Gladiator or Pancrase Champion, pound for pound, from the ancient world as it was not a game or sport or even art to these guys. It was life and death.

Keep the faith Keep it Whirly

I can't believe that no one has not said this yet...

jplatinum

platinum?

i prefer white gold studded in diamonds myself.

Prob ably some Wing Tsun fighter , Yip ;an or someone, maybe some other Chinese Kung Fu master......or someone totally unknown from ancient times.

My pick...

Leonidas or some other Spartan of the 300 that faced a couple of hundred thousand Persians at Thermopylae and lasted for a week. Though they fought with Corinthian, Athenian and a few other allies in the last few days the allies left to shore up greece's defences.

The last few days it was only the spartans, they ended up using broken swords and their hands and teeth in the final hours. It is estimated that they killed anywheres from ten to twenty thousand (some estimate more but I can't see it) enemy soldiers.

I am sure that any of these 300 would wipe the floor with any current UFC fighter, boxer or movie martial arts star.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
platinum?

i prefer white gold studded in diamonds myself.

Darkcrawler was refering to a member by the name of JPlatinum. To see some truly awesome and hysterical threads check out any thread that he started.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
My pick...

Leonidas or some other Spartan of the 300 that faced a couple of hundred thousand Persians at Thermopylae and lasted for a week. Though they fought with Corinthian, Athenian and a few other allies in the last few days the allies left to shore up greece's defences.

The last few days it was only the spartans, they ended up using broken swords and their hands and teeth in the final hours. It is estimated that they killed anywheres from ten to twenty thousand (some estimate more but I can't see it) enemy soldiers.

I am sure that any of these 300 would wipe the floor with any current UFC fighter, boxer or movie martial arts star.

On their terms yes.However,under ufc rules with no weapons I say not

bas is a tough sob too

Bas drops people with liver kicks like nothing.I got his big dvds of combat and let me tell you,he IS the man.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
On their terms yes.However,under ufc rules with no weapons I say not

The question was "Greatest fighter ever".

Spartans recieved greco roman wrestling training from the age of seven. They were also taught hand to hand combat in case they ever lost their weapons. In truth they were the first Utlimate Fighters or mma fighters. They boxed (bare knuckled) and as mentioned before wrestled. They would never submit, and never retreat. I love NHB tournament stuff, but pound for pound I'd give it to a spartan any day of the week.

i have been thinking about getting some of his dvds

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Achilles


Im not sure if Archilles was a legend or not, but theres a lot of myth around his abilities.


Aka he was dipped into this mixture to make him invincable, and they held onto him by the backs of his ankles, which ended up not getting touched by the liquid.

so the backs of his ankles became his weak spot. He got a spear through the back of his ankle and he died. This is where we get the term "archilles heel" from

He was real, and so great that he became a myth...

Thats saying a lot for him... He really was a great fighter.

Originally posted by bardock
pound for pound. frank shamrock in my mind

without a doubt, he was untouchable in his prime but for the greatest fighter of all time i'm gonna have to go with.......










































myselfboxing....second only to batmanbatman

oh wait, what about that japenese dude whose in pride fighting, shit...i can't think of his name but he wears pink speedos, don't let that fool you though...he's a badass, everytime i've seen him fight he kicks ass

sakuraba!
he's the guy getting knocked out on my signature!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
The question was "Greatest fighter ever".

Spartans recieved greco roman wrestling training from the age of seven. They were also taught hand to hand combat in case they ever lost their weapons. In truth they were the first Utlimate Fighters or mma fighters. They boxed (bare knuckled) and as mentioned before wrestled. They would never submit, and never retreat. I love NHB tournament stuff, but pound for pound I'd give it to a spartan any day of the week.

without a doubt their tough.In a war you could hardly find better but,combat has evolved with time.This includes even greco roman wrestiling.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
without a doubt their tough.In a war you could hardly find better but,combat has evolved with time.This includes even greco roman wrestiling.

I seriously doubt that any modern fighter could any one of them out... Those guys are great fighters in and out of war. They were fearless more then willing to die if it was needed and would do whatever they could to win. I would rather face any modern fighter in a one on one fight to the death then even one of those guys

I think I would too.I've herd people where stronger back then,but I dont think we have like any win lose draw records for any of them do we?

No lose meant death, victory meant living for another day to fight again

I definetly think they where tough,but I still think todays fighters could take out a good deal of them within ufc rules

With rules sure, but those guys didn't fight with rules... They threw themselves into a fight gave it everything they had, had amazing discipline and courage. They were incredibly powerful trained from birth and fought impossible odds at several occasions and survived. There is a reason for them being so legendaric.

I agree with for the most part.However,most the time legend is born from myth.

wait I change my answer.....BOW DOWN BEFORE JPLATINUM!

I agree!

Originally posted by AdventChild
Royce Gracie
Chris Mark
Tony Jaa
Jet-Li
Bruce Lee
Jackie Chan
Emerson Wong
Muhammad Ali
My older Brother
Andy Hug
Ramon Dekkers
Umar Khan
Hirokazu Kanazama
ME
Bas Rutten
Sony Liston


One of these guys... In no order...


Definetly one of these people.....

this is completely pointless its like comparing apples to oranges to spaghetti....

you will never get a consensus, or even a close agreement on who it is, mostly cause, as we saw in the bruce lee vs. Ali thread, not many people know what thier talking about.

however in my opinion Its Muhammad Ali, and Chuck Norris.

now before you all go "chuck norris" "he obviously doesn't know what hes talking about" go and do a little research on him....

here, read a little of this....

http://www.chucknorris.com/html/biog.html

as well he was a green beret in the US army and fought in the korean war...

so, hes a martial arts expert of a status that no one has ever achieved, as well as a weapon specialist and a grand master....

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
this is completely pointless its like comparing apples to oranges to spaghetti....

you will never get a consensus, or even a close agreement on who it is, mostly cause, as we saw in the bruce lee vs. Ali thread, not many people know what thier talking about.

however in my opinion Its Muhammad Ali, and Chuck Norris.

now before you all go "chuck norris" "he obviously doesn't know what hes talking about" go and do a little research on him....

here, read a little of this....

http://www.chucknorris.com/html/biog.html

as well he was a green beret in the US army and fought in the korean war...

so, hes a martial arts expert of a status that no one has ever achieved, as well as a weapon specialist and a grand master....

Both Bruce and Chuck were great fighters but they were both very small by modern standards. If we go pound for pound people like Azuma Nelson are as great as great gets in the modern world. Joe Louis would have to be in their.
I still believe though that a Greek pancration fighter from 2500 BC would defeat a modern fighter in no holds barred with few rules, pound for pound. A roman gladiator, medieval knight or samurai with weapons. Its really an impossible question to answer anomaly and you statement that no consensus can be reached is very sensible.


Keep the faith


Keep it Whirly

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
this is completely pointless its like comparing apples to oranges to spaghetti....

you will never get a consensus, or even a close agreement on who it is, mostly cause, as we saw in the bruce lee vs. Ali thread, not many people know what thier talking about.

however in my opinion Its Muhammad Ali, and Chuck Norris.

now before you all go "chuck norris" "he obviously doesn't know what hes talking about" go and do a little research on him....

here, read a little of this....

http://www.chucknorris.com/html/biog.html

as well he was a green beret in the US army and fought in the korean war...

so, hes a martial arts expert of a status that no one has ever achieved, as well as a weapon specialist and a grand master....


He also admitted Rickson Gracie beat him in several sparring events

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Seeing how ali vs lee brought up a heated debate,who would you guys consider the best fighter ever!Now for all you movie buffs,this is not the greatest action star ever.I'm talking Vale tudo nhb tournement stuff.
(i might have posted this on the sports forum once,can't remember).

I might have to go with Bas Rutten

Like my first post said: "i'm talking Vale tudo nhb tournement stuff".

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Like my first post said: "i'm talking Vale tudo nhb tournement stuff".

ok, I'll have a think about that so many good ones to choose from pound for pound here is hard!

yes sparring events, not real events....

Norris has never been defeated....

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
yes sparring events, not real events....

Norris has never been defeated....

True,but I would have liked to have seen Norris go into a Vale Tudo

so would i....

would be a good fight...

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
so would i....

would be a good fight...

So who in ufc style type competition do you think he would beat and who he would lose to.I'll make a list.

1.Royce Gracie
2.Bass Rutten
3.Wanderlei Silva
4.Mirko Crocop
5.Randy Couture.


and just for fun.............Bruce Lee!LOL

Originally posted by mr.smiley
So who in ufc style type competition do you think he would beat and who he would lose to.I'll make a list.

1.Royce Gracie
2.Bass Rutten
3.Wanderlei Silva
4.Mirko Crocop
5.Randy Couture.


and just for fun.............Bruce Lee!LOL

ha! i actually agree with you with some of these people!! in my opinion i think it'd be really close between Royce Gracie and Bass Rutten, two real all star fighters!

hey i have a question, did bruce lee ever fight chuch norris?

I've herd from several people that they both fought eachother in a Karate tournement and Norris beat him.I've then herd he was always too modest to admit it.

KOOL!!!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
this is completely pointless its like comparing apples to oranges to spaghetti....

you will never get a consensus, or even a close agreement on who it is, mostly cause, as we saw in the bruce lee vs. Ali thread, not many people know what thier talking about.

however in my opinion Its Muhammad Ali, and Chuck Norris.

now before you all go "chuck norris" "he obviously doesn't know what hes talking about" go and do a little research on him....

here, read a little of this....

http://www.chucknorris.com/html/biog.html

as well he was a green beret in the US army and fought in the korean war...

so, hes a martial arts expert of a status that no one has ever achieved, as well as a weapon specialist and a grand master.... Walker Texas Ranger

well you see, MTV has a little TV show called MADE, and im gonna send in an application to be on this show, and im gonna be made into a boxer. so after you guys see my work all over the television, my name will be popping up in this thread. just you wait

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I've herd from several people that they both fought eachother in a Karate tournement and Norris beat him.I've then herd he was always too modest to admit it.

yes this is correct, Norris did beat him...Obviously

Lee is way over rated, it bothers me that people think he was so good...



yes....

horrible show.

but takes away none of Norris's achievements.

William Wallace.

The man is a legend. 6'7", solid as a brick water closet. In medieval Scotland you had to be born into power. The only reason Wallace commanded was cos he was hard as coffin nails. Maybe also because he'd killed a staggering number of Englishmen.

I don't go for this pound-for-pound stuff. There can be only one greatest fighter ever, and he'd kick the crap out of a short-arse.

William Wallace wore pants under his Kilt


Originally posted by baracustastic
William Wallace.

The man is a legend. 6'7", solid as a brick water closet. In medieval Scotland you had to be born into power. The only reason Wallace commanded was cos he was hard as coffin nails. Maybe also because he'd killed a staggering number of Englishmen.

I don't go for this pound-for-pound stuff. There can be only one greatest fighter ever, and he'd kick the crap out of a short-arse.

For fictional, Odysseus all the way. For real, I would say probably one of the Samurai of Japan.

whirlysplat;

Wallace wouldn't have worn a kilt. He was a lowlander.

Although if he did wear a kilt, he'd be a true Scotsman..........easier for the English to kiss his arse.

Nice post?

Remind me what happened to Wallace


Originally posted by baracustastic
whirlysplat;

Wallace wouldn't have worn a kilt. He was a lowlander.

Although if he did wear a kilt, he'd be a true Scotsman..........easier for the English to kiss his arse.

Wallace was betrayed by a family member whom the English had bribed. He still managed to kill 5 of the 10 fully armed soldiers with his bare hands.

He was found guilty of high treason, against a king he'd never sworn allegence to, in a show-trial before being hung, drawn and quartered.

For those that don't know the process of his death was long and drawn out over hours, a day long "spectacle."

First he was tied to a cross and dragged for miles face down along the streets of London to the specially constructed gallows and "arena." Once there, Wallace was barely recognisable, his front a bloody mess.

He was then hung till unconscious.

He was then revived and was disembowelled and slowly had each of his internal organs removed.

Only then was he beheaded.

His body was then cut into 4 pieces and sent to Newcastle, Perth, Stirling and Berwick. His head was spiked and displayed on London bridge.

The baying crowds lapped up this barbaric, dispicable and truly horrific massacre.

The English people were so scared of him they went to these extreme lengths.

Now I'm pissed off, as it happened, so was Scotland. Enter King Robert the Bruce.

Yup it was always a good idea in those days to go along with King. Don't
be pissed off it was long ago.


Originally posted by baracustastic
Wallace was betrayed by a family member whom the English had bribed. He still managed to kill 5 of the 10 fully armed soldiers with his bare hands.

He was found guilty of high treason, against a king he'd never sworn allegence to, in a show-trial before being hung, drawn and quartered.

For those that don't know the process of his death was long and drawn out over hours, a day long "spectacle."

First he was tied to a cross and dragged for miles face down along the streets of London to the specially constructed gallows and "arena." Once there, Wallace was barely recognisable, his front a bloody mess.

He was then hung till unconscious.

He was then revived and was disembowelled and slowly had each of his internal organs removed.

Only then was he beheaded.

His body was then cut into 4 pieces and sent to Newcastle, Perth, Stirling and Berwick. His head was spiked and displayed on London bridge.

The baying crowds lapped up this barbaric, dispicable and truly horrific massacre.

The English people were so scared of him they went to these extreme lengths.

Now I'm pissed off, as it happened, so was Scotland. Enter King Robert the Bruce.

Ali

you seriously think ali is the gretest fighter ever...PATHETIC! this shows you know nothing of fighters and you are completly uninformed and should study more about great fighters...Bass Rutten...Tito Ortiz for example..start with those......

*Ali*HA! You're really funny i hope you were jokin...

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Seeing how ali vs lee brought up a heated debate,who would you guys consider the best fighter ever!Now for all you movie buffs,this is not the greatest action star ever.I'm talking Vale tudo nhb tournement stuff.
(i might have posted this on the sports forum once,can't remember).

I might have to go with Bas Rutten

The greatest fighter ever is, without a doubt, my character in Def Jam: Fight for NY. no2

Originally posted by AdventChild
you seriously think ali is the gretest fighter ever...PATHETIC! this shows you know nothing of fighters and you are completly uninformed and should study more about great fighters...Bass Rutten...Tito Ortiz for example..start with those......

*Ali*HA! You're really funny i hope you were jokin...


Bas in his prime might quiet of possibly been the best.Tito turned into a ***** however.

Tito Ortiz is a joke

i agree tito ortiz is a joke and yes i seroisly do think that ali waz tha best no one can beat THE GREATEST and even to this day he is still considered the Greatest and for all of those that think that ali would lose to tyson yall are Very very ignorant about boxing and yes u pick a fighter and i guarentee that ali would have made fast work of him and i promise that no one of ur fighters can even fuk with ali except for maybe lee and bruce lee still would have lost but lee would have hit him and i bet my charecter on def jam is better then urs lol

I disagree.Ali couldn't finish off Inoki.Their's no way he would take out a good fighter today.

Even though i'm not a fan of Tito I still have to give him credit.The man wasn't taken down for two years straight.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I disagree.Ali couldn't finish off Inoki.Their's no way he would take out a good fighter today.

Even though i'm not a fan of Tito I still have to give him credit.The man wasn't taken down for two years straight.

I believe that was because he picked his fights. There are some guys who face all challengers, other guys fight who they think they have a good chance to beat. I believe that Ortiz is one of those fighters.

He has great skill, technnique and strength, but he lacks balls, honour and class. Ortiz is afraid of losing, afraid of getting beaten, not because he is physically afraid, but because of his ego. That's why I think he's a joke.

True.I agree with you.

Royce Gracie would ahnialate Ali..story ended...