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Everyone in this forum pratically say Vader is sh!t, but he isn't! He's an awesome powerful sith lord with great power. I want to see what people have to say about this fight so I can prove what I mean.

I agree man. Vader would kill. I think he could take them both at once.

He might kill Naga Sadow but he gets killed when he has to fight Tulak Hord.

He wouldn't get anywhere close to killing either. What did he ever do that was so powerful? I assume your talking about suit Vader but even if this is ROTS Anakin he would still lose.

yeah, itd be like bastilla facing revan or yoda, shes gets her ass kicked either way. i think though if vader had kept his limbs and not become a cyborg he might have a chance. i mean the wisdom and intelligence of OT Vader combined with the body of ROTS Vader would make a pretty damn good sith lord. plus over time he would improve his dueling skills to be at least in the same league as the other two. but unfortunately for vader that didnt work so he sucks among ancient sith lords

Human Vader's right.

Vader would whip that as$, against either of the two...not at the same time though.

hord no question

lol,vader is insignificant in this one, it would come down to tulak an naga.
my pick would be naga sadow. unless i'm mistaken sadow an hord were in the same time line correct?

Tulak Hord

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naga

Naga sadow. Sadow also demonstrated an ability to manipulate solar activity through the Force, giving him the power to create solar flares and twice using this to escape from Republic forces, once causing the already unstable star affected to explode. He could destroy entire stars with the force he's a beast and Tulak. Tulak Hord was a master of Lightsaber combat, according to a few. As Kreia said, he was known as "the greatest lightsaber duelist of the Sith Lordes" going on to say that his skill was considered "remarkable even for his time, when many true lightsaber masters lived" when asked she reveals that were the exile to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, he would learn that "we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters. Later, Khem Val said almost the same thing, when he told the Inquisitor about how Tulak broke through the Yn and Chabosh alone.
It would appear Tulak was also a master of telekinesis. According to Khem Val when the Inquisitor sees the ruins of the Endar Spire, "The great Tulak Hord once pulled a ship this size from the sky." Oh and Tulak came after naga by the way.

So he destroyed two entire races on his own and he was the strongest of the ancient sith

lol

Antediluvian?

Not to Mention that Tulak Hord single-handedly conquered over 100 worlds for his sith empire, killing legions of Jedi & Soilders, while his servent and fellow sith warrior Khem Val fed on what was left of Tulak's fallen enemies Force energy, and later becoming a sith history legend.

Tulak hord was the greatest lightsaber master to have ever lived because of his achievements.

That walking tin-can Vader would get turned into a armor pile of scrapp if he threatened Tulak Hord.

Originally posted by Kaldin
Naga sadow. Sadow also demonstrated an ability to manipulate solar activity through the Force, giving him the power to create solar flares and twice using this to escape from Republic forces, once causing the already unstable star affected to explode.

You do know that was largely the ship, right? Even a less powerful force user, Aleema Keto, was able to do the same thing using his ship.





Correction- he lived at a time when the Sith Empire and the Jedi weren't in contact.

He did certainly kill tons of rival Sith and soldiers and conquering tons of worlds and all that, so not a knock on his power. Simply, no Jedi ever came within a hundred lightyears of him during his life time.

Originally posted by Q99
You do know that was largely the ship, right? Even a less powerful force user, Aleema Keto, was able to do the same thing using his ship.





Correction- he lived at a time when the Sith Empire and the Jedi weren't in contact.

He did certainly kill tons of rival Sith and soldiers and conquering tons of worlds and all that, so not a knock on his power. Simply, no Jedi ever came within a hundred lightyears of him during his life time. Still Tulak Hord killed over 10,000 overall, compiling of both soldiers and other species. Some of those species were force sensitive like Jedi, but nevertheless all destroyed.

Originally posted by Q99
You do know that was largely the ship, right? Even a less powerful force user, Aleema Keto, was able to do the same thing using his ship.





Correction- he lived at a time when the Sith Empire and the Jedi weren't in contact.

He did certainly kill tons of rival Sith and soldiers and conquering tons of worlds and all that, so not a knock on his power. Simply, no Jedi ever came within a hundred lightyears of him during his life time. Actually i take back what i said. Tulak did kill over 3,000 Jedi. His servent Khem Val was quoted to have consumed over Thousands of Jedi in Service of Tulak Hord.

In Tulak Hord's service he devoured over a thousand Jedi at Yn and the Battle of Chabosh.

You're the one who's corrected. Tulak Hord killed legions of Jedi with a lightsaber alone. Tulak Hord is the Greatest lightsaber master to have ever lived.

His continuity is so messed up.... I mean, he's supposed to be after the Hundred Years Darkness, and before Naga Sadow, and Naga Sadow was the first Sith to contact the Republic since the Hundred Year Darkness, and he's supposed to have fought Jedi?

Writers have their wires crossed.

(Which, of course, the Wookiepedia article on Tulak notes)

Yeah Tulak Hord broke through the Jedi's frontline alone, at the battle Yn. Now he's the greatest lightsaber master unquestionably.

Except for the other information that indicates that he'd have no opportunity to fight the Jedi or wield a lightsaber.

The sources are flat-out contradictory. Which makes it rather hard to say 'unquestionably'- we've got two accounts which both can't be true.

It doesn't matter. Tulak Hord broke through a Jedi frontline, those Jedi all had Lightsabers too, and yet they were all slaughtered by a single Tulak Hord, Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah
ahahahaha, the Jedi order are now a living hypocritical joke.

He takes Naga Sadow, idk about Tulak Hord.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He takes Naga Sadow, idk about Tulak Hord. No Darth Vader would fall before Naga Sadow, due to 2 Reasons. Reason 1 is Naga Sadow destroys Planet sized Stars with a mere thoughts. Reason 2 is Naga Sadow's poison blade, if Vader gets cut by Sadow's poison blade in his current condition, that spells the end for our little anakin .

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
No Darth Vader would fall before Naga Sadow, due to 2 Reasons. Reason 1 is Naga Sadow destroys Planet sized Stars with a mere thoughts.

... with a power-boosting ship and intense concentration. Also, a mere apprentice who wasn't near as powerful was still able to do the same thing with the ship later on.






... Vader is a cyborg. In armor. Poison is an incredibly pointless thing to try on him. Also, single lightsaber cuts are deadly anyway, so I find poison blades sorta pointless for Jedi and Sith even normally.

Originally posted by Q99
... with a power-boosting ship and intense concentration. Also, a mere apprentice who wasn't near as powerful was still able to do the same thing with the ship later on.






... Vader is a cyborg. In armor. Poison is an incredibly pointless thing to try on him. Also, single lightsaber cuts are deadly anyway, so I find poison blades sorta pointless for Jedi and Sith even normally. Nope that was just how powerful Naga Sadow was. And the Poison thats on Sadow's poison blade wasn't literal poison, the poison that was on his blade the taint of his his spirit, (Which is not curable by most means) and once someone's hit Sadow's poison blade, they'll die from spiritual poisoning, and body erosion. The Anakin skywalker that was currently rotting away in that armor ,can't take a single hit from Naga Sadow's blade without dying.

If you want to talk about power boosters, Darth Vitiate is the biggest one. since he couldn't achieve the height of that power without manipulating, then absorbing 8,000 Sith lords, he's a coward who's afraid of 2 things. Marka Ragnos, and Death.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Nope that was just how powerful Naga Sadow was. And the Poison thats on Sadow's poison blade wasn't literal poison, the poison that was on his blade the taint of his his spirit, (Which is not curable by most means) and once someone's hit Sadow's poison blade, they'll die from spiritual poisoning, and body erosion. The Anakin skywalker that was currently rotting away in that armor ,can't take a single hit from Naga Sadow's blade without dying.

If you want to talk about power boosters, Darth Vitiate is the biggest one. since he couldn't achieve the height of that power without manipulating, then absorbing 8,000 Sith lords, he's a coward who's afraid of 2 things. Marka Ragnos, and Death.

No, his power was infinitely boosted. He alone could not destroy stars. Also, I seem to recall that Starkiller slashed Vader with his lightsaber, but couldn't get past his armor most of his strikes. Meaning that a poison blade would have 0 effect on Vader, since it has less cutting power and it would be even harder to get through the armor without some serious hacking. And Vader's skills with a blade wouldn't let Naga Sadow get that far.

Truly, it would be a cool fight, but Vader's TK is evidently quite superior to Sadow's, and in a combat battle, that's the main hard hitter of what matters. And in swordplay, I don't see Sadow overcoming Vader, and even if he could, he'd still have to hack away to get through Vader's armor and use the effects of his little poison sword.

Vader takes him.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, his power was infinitely boosted. He alone could not destroy stars. Also, I seem to recall that Starkiller slashed Vader with his lightsaber, but couldn't get past his armor most of his strikes. Meaning that a poison blade would have 0 effect on Vader, since it has less cutting power and it would be even harder to get through the armor without some serious hacking. And Vader's skills with a blade wouldn't let Naga Sadow get that far.

Truly, it would be a cool fight, but Vader's TK is evidently quite superior to Sadow's, and in a combat battle, that's the main hard hitter of what matters. And in swordplay, I don't see Sadow overcoming Vader, and even if he could, he'd still have to hack away to get through Vader's armor and use the effects of his little poison sword.

Vader takes him. No, Naga Sadow's poison blade had the incurable taint, of his spirit on it, even more so Naga's sword was imbued with the power of the force, so his sword was not only very lethal, but also had just as much cutting power as a lightsaber does, since his sword can defend against lightsabers instead of being cut into pieces.

Sadow would kill Vader with one swipe of his sword.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Nope that was just how powerful Naga Sadow was.

Aleema Keto does it too, and she does it the same way- with Naga's ship.


And Aleema Keto is definitely no super badass.

Originally posted by Q99
Aleema Keto does it too, and she does it the same way- with Naga's ship.


And Aleema Keto is definitely no super badass. Still Vader will die by Sadow's blade .

juat because naga uses a sith sword in no way means it has the same cutting power of a lightsaber.....

a sith sword can' just cut through blast doors like a lightsaber can.....it's just lightsaber resistant. ad the sword can't hold the taint of his spirit in it with him still being alive......

so far your arguments are coming off as just fanboyism with no reguard to disproving the counterpoints to your arguments so i'm assuming most people don't take your opinion into account....

Originally posted by Intregus
juat because naga uses a sith sword in no way means it has the same cutting power of a lightsaber.....

a sith sword can' just cut through blast doors like a lightsaber can.....it's just lightsaber resistant. ad the sword can't hold the taint of his spirit in it with him still being alive......

so far your arguments are coming off as just fanboyism with no regard to disproving the counterpoints to your arguments so i'm assuming most people don't take your opinion into account.... If you read the description on his sword, it specifically said Naga Sadow's poison blade was covered in the taint of his spirit. Some people asked Why is his spirit tainted to that degree. Well the answer is, he used a large degree of Sith Sorcery. Its equivalent to the after effects of Black Magic. Think the next time you speak to me, don't be a smart alec .

ya it stated that AFTER he was dead.....because his spirit clung to the sword.

ye again though you don't acknowledge the other points made in a post you're just moving past as if they don't need to be refuted....but they do. Next time maybe you should actually debate the topic vs asserting your opinion as fact.

I'm not trying to be offensive but with comments like "think the next time you speak to me" just comes off as jackassery when I'm trying to get you to debate the points presented to you

Originally posted by Q99
... Vader is a cyborg. In armor. Poison is an incredibly pointless thing to try on him. Also, single lightsaber cuts are deadly anyway, so I find poison blades sorta pointless for Jedi and Sith even normally.

Yeah because getting 3 limbs cut off and set on fire is nothing compared to poison!

Originally posted by Intregus
ya it stated that AFTER he was dead.....because his spirit clung to the sword.

ye again though you don't acknowledge the other points made in a post you're just moving past as if they don't need to be refuted....but they do. Next time maybe you should actually debate the topic vs asserting your opinion as fact.

I'm not trying to be offensive but with comments like "think the next time you speak to me" just comes off as jackassery when I'm trying to get you to debate the points presented to you Naga Sadow's spirit NEVER clug on to his blade. Naga Sadow's spirit was on Yavin IV when he died, and when he spiritually manifested. Naga Sadow's spirit was sealed by Darth Vitiate's Forces, to prevent Sadow from interfering with the emperor's plans.

It was specifically said in Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic, that the Vile taint of Naga Sadow's spirit covered the metal of his blade.

Are you even familiar with the after effects differentiation between Sith Sorcery and Black Magic? if not then cease with your opinions.

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Vader

I probably should have bumped this while also giving my opinion.

Naga Sadow's esoteric powers is gonna give Vader a hard time if he fights him, as well as his showing of moving and exploding stars, means he has amazing TK, though he had to meditate for a few minutes to do that. However, I do think Vader wins. Despite all the Ancient Sith being great duelists, Sadow is lacking here.

Tulak Hord should win, he's superior in sabers, undoubtedly. He has comparable TK, or TK thats strong enough to the point that there's no way he's getting ragdolled.

Its not a 10/10 win in sabers for Hord though, 8/10 at best.

Vader wins 10/10 in force though.

I'm leaning either way.

Actually, I don't recall Veitch saying that, he says he could see Exar Kun winning, I think.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust

Thank you, I edited my post

@Jman
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More or less. But it is still BS.

Veitch's words aren't any more valid than any of ours. If he wanted them to be, he should've put them in his works.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Thank you, I edited my post

@Jman
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More or less. But it is still BS. There was also a rumor of an email from Kevin J. Anderson, who says that Exar Kun could take Sidious as well.

Vader, yeah.

Vader.

Loses to both.