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The Four ancient Sith Lords from Korriban Mark'o'Ragnos, Tuluk Horde, Freedon Nadd, and Naga Sadow vs. EU Luke Skywalker, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan-Kenobi, and Yoda(Primed and ready).

the greatest Ancient Sith against the Greatest of the New Jedi

Naga Sadow is the strongest of the Sith so put him up with yoda the rest is an iffy?

Ancient Sith Lords take this EASILY. Tulak would RUCKUS Mace and Ragnos would take Yoda, Obi is a non issue here, and the rest would gang up and destroy NJO Luke.

Yea the Jedi are way outmatched, unless Luke can do his power thing that he did with the Yuuzhan Vong.

Don't underestimate the Jedi's!
Luke beat Ragnos
Yoda finish of naga sadow
Mace can actually beat nadd
obi-wan will most likely loose to tulak hord
anyway, this will give a three on one battle, easily won by jedi-team.
perhaps i give the Jedi too much credit, but at least they still have a chance.

Ragnos vs. Mace- Ragnos
Shadow vs. Obi- Shadow
Freedon vs. Yoda- Im gonna have to say Yoda
Tulak vs. Luke- Tulak could actually pull this off I think.

Then Yoda is outnumbered and a sitting duck.

the jedi's so what they anceint. When people say luke became the strongest or powerful jedi it means he is powerful or strongest.

Luke would have to be NJO, if he were able to beat Marka Ragnos...and it would be a long battle. Yoda on the other hand could possibly beat Naga Sadow. The wining factor in this would be that Marka and Naga use cortosis swords, right? This would slow them down a great deal. Another "on the other hand possibility" is Mace might be able to beat Freedon Nadd, but I don't think Mace beat Sidious...I believe Sidious lost to Mace on purpose, so Anakin could fulfill his journey to the dark side. And Freedon I really don't know his power to compare him to Sidious to see how Mace would fare against him.

good, you see this just as me!
In fact, GL himself has admit that Sidious lost to mace in the light saber fight (don't remember where he said.)
But i think Mace would be able to kill Nadd after a long, intense fight.

ragnos' team wins

i really agree when i see all of your good arguments......

Sith easily

Sadow will take out Obi and Mace at the same time (Obi with a simple force attack, Mace by charging him)

Tulak will face Yoda this will have to be a lightsaber duel like the one Yoda loves, and he would not beat Tulak with that.

Freedon and Ragnos take out Luke. NJO or not

I think you REALLY underestimate both Mace and Obi-wan....
they would cause great problems for Naga Sadow ALONE, and together Naga doesn't gonna win

i think you REALLY underestimate the ancient sith, they more fighting than obi wan an mace ever did. and their command of the force is stronger than just about all of them save for perahps yoda and luke.

ragnos was never challenged for over a century and he was a half breed, this was when the sith empire was at its strongest, many sith were present, powerful ones at that, and one such as strong as sadow, that could rival luke's power didn't even want to challenge him, not even when he was on his death bed.

then you have the greatest light sabre duelist of all time, then you have someone who has a great command of the force, sadow, and freedon who wasn't a bad sith either.

naga would take obi out very quickly and in time mace as well. freeing him up to join ragnos an freedon for whomever they're scrapping with.

i REALLY (lol) think your last post was affected by anger to my, little bit critical, reply to your post before this.
Anyway, ive heard your arguments like a thousand times before, experience is NOT everything!

give in to the dark side sasee tiin

lol
you will have to try harder mate!
nothing says that the force has been weaker since 4000 before ANH.
Remember; there is a balance in the force between Jedi/sith- which means they generally is almost equal powerful.

Turn back to the the light side!!
i will try to not innoy you, as known anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering and the dark side (or something like that....)

Originally posted by sasee tiin
I think you REALLY underestimate both Mace and Obi-wan....
they would cause great problems for Naga Sadow ALONE, and together Naga doesn't gonna win

Did you see how easy Dooku took Obi out. I'm pretty sure somebody as powerful as Naga Sadow could have done it. Obi Wan was a great Jedi but even he could not match somebody leagues above him. He's not all that important in this fight. Mace is good, but he won't be able to beat somebody like Sadow.

together they will be able to beat sadow. Obi is better than you think, one of the best Jedi masters in fact (I think so, and GL say so, even though his words isnt all that important in this forum, it does count).
His form III of fighting is difficault to break through.

Mace is more powerful than Obi, but not that much. I think his vaapad would work well against Naga Sadow, as against Sidious (even Sidious was slightlyh weaker)
together the two Jedi masters could defeat Naga without any serious problems.

Well...maybe I'm getting flamed badly for that but I think some people here are overrating some Sith characters by far. Yes, they all seem to be very powerful...no discussion here. But how you can try to compare people that don't follow any rules with people that do so ?

Could Yoda throw planets at somebody ? No ? The fact that some people did not do things like that is no proof that they couldn't have done it if they wanted to.

And please..."ancient sith lord" is not a synonym for "allmighty asskicker". For example...Freedon Nadd.

The Jedi did not give him the promotion to become a Jedi Knight because he felt his first real test. Even when giving into the dark side he did not thought he could become more than a Sith Acolyte. Then he kills Sadows spirit before Sadow finished his training (great idea - lol), travels to Korriban to gather some Sith artifacts (of course he left the real powerful ones to Revan) and after this he only appears as a ghost causing some trouble on Onderon and teaching Exar Kun. When did Freedon Nadd actualy became a great fighter ? Did I miss something ?

And Naga Sadow. He was leading the Sith Empire into the Great Hyperspace War, had to destroy his own fleet so that he could escape the republic forces then he landed on Yavin 4 to do some nice experiments with the Massasi and trained Freedon Nadd later. Also great...fighting experience ?

So what the hell makes people think one of them can easily kill people like Obi-Wan or Mace Windu ? I don't get it.

If you would do it like that:
Ragnos vs NJO Luke
Sadow vs Yoda
Hord vs Mace
Nadd vs Obi-Wan

I can't see any fact that states Obi-Wan and Mace even have no chance to win. Except "they can't beat an ancient Sith lord". At least that doesn't even matter because NJO Luke facing Ragnos will probably destroy the entire star system that fight takes place in. So both sides lose...

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...maybe I'm getting flamed badly for that but I think some people here are overrating some Sith characters by far. Yes, they all seem to be very powerful...no discussion here. But how you can try to compare people that don't follow any rules with people that do so ?



could not possibly agreed more


"So what the hell makes people think one of them can easily kill people like Obi-Wan or Mace Windu ? I don't get it."

thanks

Originally posted by sasee tiin
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Anyway, ive heard your arguments like a thousand times before, experience is NOT everything!
In this case it is.

Originally posted by sasee tiin
Anyway, ive heard your arguments like a thousand times before, experience is NOT everything!

actually i gotta ask, how is it not? experienced counts for a lot. a more experienced fighter will beat a lesser experienced fighter.

a surgeon who has more experience in surgery is better than a surgeon in training with no experience.

Exactly. By that logic two equally trained US soldiers, one of whom served 2 tours in Iraq, the other never having been to Iraq should have the same survival rate.

ever heard of natural talent?
even though you two practice football (soccer) your entire life, you would most likely never be really good, eventhough you had played something like 1000 matches on a lower level.....
just an example...

natural talent only goes so far, it is what you do with it that counts.

anakin had natural talent, but he didn't not achieve that what he was able to; however, his son did - and look at him, perhaps the strongest jedi there ever was

agree, just wanted to proove that experience doesn't mean everything, people having practiced, and in this case fought, for a different time period could still be equaly good, or powerful.

don't get me wrong i think natural talent is also important as is experience

ragnos vs luke luke
sadow vs mace sadow
tulak vs. yoda tulak
freedon vs obi freedon


luke vs freedon sadow and tulak gets pwned!

Originally posted by Fishy
Sith easily

Sadow will take out Obi and Mace at the same time (Obi with a simple force attack, Mace by charging him)

Tulak will face Yoda this will have to be a lightsaber duel like the one Yoda loves, and he would not beat Tulak with that.

Freedon and Ragnos take out Luke. NJO or not
Amazingly right. Couldnt agree more.