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i know im not supposed to have lustful thoughts but sometimes i cant help myself. is this sin forgiveable?

discuss.

"all sins are forgiven" - if you have a christian belife that is true, but I ask this how can something natural be a sin?

Most churches think it is.....But it IS natural...And God made people that way....so.

For once, I have now comment...

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
For once, I have now comment...


now? So what is it.

sorry, meant no comment...

it is a sin due to the fact that you aint able to get a female/male attracted to you........so tossing off to a dream ....keep on dreaming

If God didn't create It who did

do as many times as you please..it's healthy and perfectly normal....

If "wanking" is a Sin, then I'm going to burn in the Eternal Pit for a very, very long time....

France?

rome

Originally posted by debbiejo
France?



Originally posted by finti
rome

Originally posted by ZoSo
If "wanking" is a Sin, then I'm going to burn in the Eternal Pit for a very, very long time....

I've always wanted to visit France too.

but i thought your not supposed to be full of lust? also what if the images your wanking off to are avant garde?

Grand???????

err no what i mean is what if the image is wrong...Very wrong?

I don't think you're hurting anybody are you?

According to Catholicism, masturbation is a sin. Any sexual action that does not lead to an opportunity of creation of a human life and is outside the union of marriage is considered a sin. In Catholicism, sex is viewed as a sacred act between husband and a wife. Anything that belittles this act to merely personal pleasure is abusing the very purpose of sex.

Now my personal opinion. Masturbation provides an excellent opportunity to get to know yourself better sexually. By experimenting you' re able to get more in tune with your sexual response. Once you discover what works for you, you can articulate or show your partner what turns you on and your confidence as a lover will increase.

Masturbation is not only normal, it offers some very specific health benefits.

Masturbation is simply fun. It feels terrific. Who can resist a regular jolt of orgasmic bliss?

I agree very mucg with storm. The human structural governement of our health arbitration (aka The Docs.) have come to the conclusion that Masturbation is very much a normal thing, let alone a healthy part of a teenagers life. Where I can see where the church may think it is a sin, is where Christ said "To even think lustfully of another person, is like to commit adultry with them." But then again, this could be another one of his hyperbolies, and not to be taken serious. I hope it's the ladder...

The church makes many things wrong...Anything that has to do with pleasures of the body or your senses. It is a natural part of your physical make up...

Wanking isn't a sin to us pagans.... in fact, in some pagan circles, its done as a form of praise to the gods and goddesses of fertility..... as are orgies..... and we think drinking beer is religious... and dancing round fires..... and singing loud songs.....

as an aside, I went to school for a short while with a spanish kid called Juan Kehr..... poor sod....

You know, the jedi didn't allow any bodily pleasures in their teachings. I wonder what happened to them...

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
You know, the jedi didn't allow any bodily pleasures in their teachings. I wonder what happened to them...



That's actually really funny.

They died....

Originally posted by ZoSo


That's actually really funny.

Anf the funny thing is...i'm catholic shifty

so lemme get this straight... you all admit that this is a sin yet all of you encourage me to do this instead of condemning it?

Originally posted by DaRk Jester
so lemme get this straight... you all admit that this is a sin yet all of you encourage me to do this instead of condemning it?


What did you expect from sick people...

well if it is a SIN then I know im going straight to hell lol. as if that would ever happen

I don't belive in sins, everything we do that herts someone else or ourselvs that people call sins are just mistakes we need to learn from. Unless it has a bade concequence for a action than it can't be bad. Masterbation does not have a bad concequence. It is not wrong to masterbate. It is natural.

if it helps keep you from going insane, then go for it.

Thats right.

Originally posted by DaRk Jester
so lemme get this straight... you all admit that this is a sin yet all of you encourage me to do this instead of condemning it?

Everyone does it, I mean it's not like your the only one. I mean, I'm sure some of us make attempts to regulate it but stoping it completly can cause bodily harm and illness. And besides I think the church screwed up when it said that this was a sin to wank...

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
Everyone does it, I mean it's not like your the only one. I mean, I'm sure some of us make attempts to regulate it but stoping it completly can cause bodily harm and illness. And besides I think the church screwed up when it said that this was a sin to wank...

Wonder why the church would state that it was a sin. It's probably from the OT story about who ever it was spilled his seed in waste and not to conceive....But that's the only story like that...I mean if you think about it in the story of Lot...His daughters had sex with him when he was drunk and I don't recall them getting punished in any way...unless I missed something...

Lot and his daughters
(Hendrick Goldtius, 1616)

19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. The Seduction
of Lot
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
19:37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
19:38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

I ran across this and thought it was relevant to the conversation w/pictures.http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/the_seduction_of_lot/gn19_30.html

YOu know of you keep pressing next...naughty

HELP!!! I have hairs on the palm of my hand.... and I'm going blind!!!!!!!

Originally posted by big gay kirk
HELP!!! I have hairs on the palm of my hand.... and I'm going blind!!!!!!!

Are you masturbating right now?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Are you masturbating right now?

Like I really needed to know that...

Originally posted by big gay kirk
Wanking isn't a sin to us pagans.... in fact, in some pagan circles, its done as a form of praise to the gods and goddesses of fertility
....

So, do you praise god much?

aint the bible a nice family venture

Originally posted by finti
aint the bible a nice family venture

full of family stories.

yeah intriguing soap operas

Well, when you look at the stories of Lot, Noah, and those children of Israel...It's a hot novel.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't think you're hurting anybody are you? It's euther that or go out and make the opertunity to procreate. If you're single it is wrong to have sex so don't feel bad about wanking it.

Originally posted by DaRk Jester
i know im not supposed to have lustful thoughts but sometimes i cant help myself. is this sin forgiveable?

discuss.

God wouldnt have even created the term 'masturbation' or the person(s) who created the TERM masturbation if it werent right. God created you with a (ahem) and im pretty sure intercourse with another person isnt all its used for...

where does it say it is a sin? read Leviticus chapter 15 verse 16 talks about body fluids, but it doesn't say it is a sin, because when the law was written, if it talked about a certain sin, then God would give them instructions on what kind of offering they would give such as sin,grain,fellowship, and burnt offerings if these sins were committed. but God didn't require any man or woman to give an offering, he simply said, he would want them to take a bath before the evening comes, does not say it was a sin. it is only a sin when you abuse it. if you look up porn, or fantasize about someone then it is a sin, because you have lusted. Lusting doesn't require masturbation. people masturbate without knowing it. it is abused like sex is today. sex was never intended for outside of marriage and so it is fortification and adultery if married. it isn't a sin because the bible didn't say it was a sin, and it only a sin when you look up porn and lust and do it at the same time. Jesus warned of lustful fantasies, but he never mentioned masturbation or the old testament. lust and masturbation is not the same thing. The bible never said what was it intended for. but it never said it was a sin, only when someone was abusing it and then it is a sin. maybe it was created for a purpose. the Jews never said it was a sin and never considered it a hot topic. I think many Churches are wrong about this, but they are right when lusting and stuff and is wrong. They give good reasons why it is wrong, but never say anything if was a sin in the bible. people say it is self-pleasure and that is why it is a sin. no, not exactly sex is both self pleasure and the other partner also. when you eat a donut, is that self-pleasure? it is OK until you eat another donut then another and then another and that is when it is abused and people become fat and food becomes their idols. The same is sex and masturbation. teenagers are the hardest hit at the age of 13 when they start developing into an adult. the hormones are unstable at this time. every sexual thing will be full throttle when it comes. This same hormones give you pimples, hair, body organs and a sex drive that is at its peak during the teen ages and that is why so many of them do it. even if a person doesn't masturbate for a certain number of days, they will eventually do it because the hormones will be raging in the bloodstream making it unbearable, but it is normal because it is part of becoming an adult. it becomes no normal when people look at porn and stuff and masturbate when the hormones are at rest and then that is when the abusing comes and idolatry. did you know, and I look this off a Christian website and it said only 30% of people when only seven to thirty days. 22% 1-3 days. 89% of the population masturbates. many Churches say it is a sin when it isn't in the bible. many false teachings have come from this, but it only started with the early Church days when they got it form pagan religions instead of the bible. people need to look at it from a different way and stop abusing it like they do sex. How can we say it is a sin when the bible says nothing about it. I know it can deal with lust, but it was never made for that. It was made for a different reason and the bible never says anything about it. pastors all over America make this the hottest topic in the church of today. If god said this was a sin then it would be all over the bible, but it never mentioned masturbation. surprised at this figure. many churches have split up because many agree it is a sin why many think it isn't. but it isn't because the bible never said so. If was then it would be in the same line as fortification, but god never mentioned it in this category.

people need to read the bible says about masturbation instead of false teachings. it never did but only clean yourself before evening in Leviticus chapter 15 verse 16. He never said this was a sin.

Originally posted by debbiejo
France?

Hey...

If we weren't meant to masturbate, we would've been made with shorter arms.

ha ha ha

Originally posted by cking
people need to read the bible says about masturbation instead of false teachings. it never did but only clean yourself before evening in Leviticus chapter 15 verse 16. He never said this was a sin.


Just wondering...Leviticus is full of all kinds of rules...do you follow them all?

only clean yourself before evening? what about in the morning as well

Yeah...and brush your teeth....morning breath is really bad.

Bible people didn't bath....they wore herbs.

as it would help for hair looking it was combed with a pork chop

Pork chop....hehehe...not they never touched pork...

Nope...no combs....hot and smelly...just like the ghettos.

oh great

Glad I didn't live then....I need my hot showers.

indeed, in the morning and the evening

And a blow dryer...

never, not even during the winter

Blow dryer for meeeeee!!!

God people didn't have a blow dryer...what ever would I have done....

dry it naturally like it is suppose to be?

Well I guess, if the wind blows.

or someone else blows

Only hot wind....hot wind is much better.

hmmmmm

Originally posted by finti
hmmmmm

What's wrong....you don't like hot wind????

not very many people don't baths back then mostly people with money. you ever heard this cleanliness is next to godliness. God is strict with cleaning of the body especially priests because if they weren't clean they would defile the temple.

Actually prior to the Crusades bathing was not common for most medieval people, there was actually those that believed to much washing caused illness and other negative affects. Regular bathing, use of soap and such was something that was largely picked up from the East, along with many other things, from food, architecture, art and so forth...

people simply were just too poor to take baths, only the rich could thousands of years ago. they don't look that clean on TV when in real life.

who doesnt look all that clean on TV.

they don't really, makeup makes them look good.

what the hell are you talking about

Originally posted by DaRk Jester
i know im not supposed to have lustful thoughts but sometimes i cant help myself. is this sin forgiveable?

discuss. Who says You can think about boning a chick? Some stupid Fairytale book?

yes it is a sin due to the fact that you think about it instead of practising it

Originally posted by cking
they don't really, makeup makes them look good.

Who? The Middle Easterners?

It seems like a natural thing. And as we are looking at it in a religious, Christian perspective it is hard to see why it should be considered a sin. Sexual urges and desires are encoded into our being, thus are natural. I have to wonder why God would design people to enjoy such feelings if he didn't want them to, if it was only for reproduction. After all, why not just make us like so many other creatures that go into heat or something, so its purely instinctual? Why make us desire such things if we shouldn't?

I think I am getting at masturbation is not a sin. Just as menstruation is not a sin, and desire is not a sin and all those other contradictory things are not sins..

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I have to wonder why God would design people to enjoy such feelings if he didn't want them to, if it was only for reproduction. After all, why not just make us like so many other creatures that go into heat or something, so its purely instinctual? Why make us desire such things if we shouldn't?



I think it was mainly Paul that was really calling attention to many things being a sin...No wonder the Jews of today really despise him.....If Paul's writings were excluded from the cannon, the book might be quite different. Christendom really is Pauline centered and not Christ....

Whoooaa..sounds like spiritual adultery.

Thats a very good point. It's interesting that Paul had such a major influence on the Bible while so many other writers at that time were excluded...

Look you're ALL missing the point. God gave the earth to the devil, therefore it has lots of traps and temptations. Now, God gave us life , and every persons life is a TEST u must resist the devil's temptation, and im afraid that wanking is one of them.

now i need help im 12, 13 in 2 months, and ive been wanking since i was 11 and a half (sumthing like that) and ive got sperm (didnt have it when i first started after a few months i got it if its useful to giving me tips on how to stop. i love masterbating and why did it have to be a sin..............................

you wanna stop wanking'? well get undresseed and climb up on a chair with a mirror on the floor, wank off after your a**hole reflecting in the mirror. When you fall off the chair you gonna , hopefully in your case, break both your arms and that will stop you from wanking at least for awhile

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
I agree very mucg with storm. The human structural governement of our health arbitration (aka The Docs.) have come to the conclusion that Masturbation is very much a normal thing, let alone a healthy part of a teenagers life. Where I can see where the church may think it is a sin, is where Christ said "To even think lustfully of another person, is like to commit adultry with them." But then again, this could be another one of his hyperbolies, and not to be taken serious. I hope it's the ladder...

Thought you said you had no comment?

Originally posted by finti
you wanna stop wanking'? well get undresseed and climb up on a chair with a mirror on the floor, wank off after your a**hole reflecting in the mirror. When you fall off the chair you gonna , hopefully in your case, break both your arms and that will stop you from wanking at least for awhile





Hmmmmmm...the visuals, the visuals....Now I'm totally damaged.


stretcher

I just hope your not speaking from personal experience Finti. Although it is quite a good plan.

And God "gave earth to the Devil"? What a nasty thing to do, although to be honest the Devil is quite a tosser if the best he can come up with is this to try to entrap souls. It all makes God and everything seem so damn fickle if they are so worried over such a little, NATURAL thing like that, and that he would happily doom the soul of someone he supposedly loves so much to eternal damnation because of it. Fickle says I!

But if you want to stop richi7 then just stop. But if you don't want to then don't, especially not because of some religious influence that is questionable.

well I guess htis thread has done its purpose so I think it was a cue to get it closed

Originally posted by richi7
Look you're ALL missing the point. God gave the earth to the devil, therefore it has lots of traps and temptations. Now, God gave us life , and every persons life is a TEST u must resist the devil's temptation, and im afraid that wanking is one of them.

now i need help im 12, 13 in 2 months, and ive been wanking since i was 11 and a half (sumthing like that) and ive got sperm (didnt have it when i first started after a few months i got it if its useful to giving me tips on how to stop. i love masterbating and why did it have to be a sin..............................



WRONG how did God give the Earth to the devil when he was the one who made in 7 days

Yes, adultery of the heart is a sin.

All sins are forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

If you don't believe me, look it up in The Bible. Read Matthew.

Matthew what number

I'm sorry but I do not know what "wanking" is...
Could someone help me out.
I know this thread has to do with lust or adultery, so is wanking list or adultery.

Also, If you do not know that something is a sin, how can it be sin-full.

"Wanking" is male masturbation. Or at least that is what I took it to mean.

GreenFist-- I am sorry, but I don't have my Bible with me at the present time. I promise that I'll answer your question when I get my Bible.

But until then I challenge you to just start reading Matthew from the beginning. It won't take that long to find it. You don't have to, but if you seek you shall find.

EDIT* Matthew 5

http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp

Originally posted by dawsey28
"Wanking" is male masturbation. Or at least that is what I took it to mean.

GreenFist-- I am sorry, but I don't have my Bible with me at the present time. I promise that I'll answer your question when I get my Bible.

But until then I challenge you to just start reading Matthew from the beginning. It won't take that long to find it. You don't have to, but if you seek you shall find.

EDIT* Matthew 5

http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp

Thank you.

Your welcome.

GreenFist-- also read Matthew 12 verse 31 and 32.

read Leviticus chapter 16, totally different from Matthew and are not of the same subject.

Please explain.

oops, sorry wrong chapter, it is 15 verse 16

I could be wrong, but I thought that was about leprosy. I'll have to go back and read it though to be sure.

no, here it is."if semen goes out of a man, he must bathe in water. He will be unclean until evening. If fluid gets on any clothing or leather, it must be washed with water. It will be unclean until evening." what do think of this scripture?

Nevermind, I see it. I was thinking of Chapter 14 when I said leprosy.

so what do you think of this?

Well, I know more of the New Testament than the Old Testament because some rules change in the New Testament.

I have honestly never seen that scripture and not sure what to think of it.

EDIT* Read the entire Chapter. That is out of context.



Offerings were no longer necessary after Jesus died on the cross. He died for everyone's sins so we no longer have to make atonement for sins by offerings.

it clearly says if semen from masturbation or anything else and it gets on clothes or the bed then it must be clean. it did not say it was a sin, not all of the laws rules were based on sin. if it was a sin then he would require a burnt or sin offering, but he didn't and it wasn't much of anything to argue about. Jesus didn't not talk about masturbation in Mathew, but lusts and sexual fantasies, masturbation is totally different and should never be confused. God didn't not say in the bible it was a sin and Leviticus is the only proof, but if it involves sexual fantasies or lusts then it would be a sin. just like sex should only be for marriage, it is only a sin when people commit fornication. alot of Churches are confused on this subject and that is why this is the hottest topic in church. I did research on a website that would be very helpful. it is misinterpretation and mostly beliefs that never came from the bible but foreign lands.

Well, I'm lost for words. Could you link that site?

OK just give me a second and I will find it for you, just wait please.

go to www.boysunderattack.com

Thanks. Weird.

anytime. it really is some good stuff and it has helped me alot.

Man that is starnge to think about.

If nothing else in The Bible says different about this, then I guess it is okay as long as you don't think about someone while doing it.

true. did you read all of it when you clicked on masturbation? it starts getting more interesting towards the end.

No I am at my parents house at the moment and they won't like that site too much.

I will look at it more when I get to my house.

I know it is bad, but still it gets to the point. it is very rare with find another website just like this. I'm sorry, but it was the only thing that makes sense.

I did see the the thing about Onan. That was interesting.







That makes a lot of sense.

I wonder if the person who started this thread has read this last page.

probably not

No way, if that was true God would have made our arms shorter, like T-rex. Maybe, it was a sin for T-rex.

probably

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No way, if that was true God would have made our arms shorter, like T-rex. Maybe, it was a sin for T-rex.

Ha!

Originally posted by dawsey28
Your welcome.

GreenFist-- also read Matthew 12 verse 31 and 32.



Thank you for pointing that out for me know i understand.

Also can any one tell me why Richi 7 said that God gave the earth to the devil.?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No way, if that was true God would have made our arms shorter, like T-rex. Maybe, it was a sin for T-rex.

That's why they died out......T-rex Toooo happy.

I feel sorry for the t-rex. he was the only dinosaur with short arms.

Well it can run very fast did it not

yep, a good example was in jurassic park, when the guys in the jeep were being chased.

How did this thread go from wanking to masterbation to dinosaurs?

I will deb

You should start a thread about that......It would make a good conversation.

Besides, it must of gotten to you too....see your sig. picture..??

Looks like sex to me.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You should start a thread about that......It would make a good conversation.

Besides, it must of gotten to you too....see your sig. picture..??

Looks like sex to me.


I gave up along time ago. It consumed me. You have no idea how good I was, andwhat I believed, yet I still here from people and stuff.....and no help from....anyway, I changed.

Confused

Originally posted by GreenFist
Confused





Hedonism is here to stay.....can't get away from it......unless you pluck your eyes, or live in a monastery....OH...but it's there too.

dizzy and confused

Originally posted by GreenFist
dizzy and confused

Well in a thread about is masturbating a sin....It's bound to happen....

it is always bound to happen.

Originally posted by cking
it is always bound to happen.

If your tied up, it can't happen.

true, unless someone can help untie you.

What if no one does????/

Originally posted by cking
true, unless someone can help untie you.

Wouldn't that just be sex (S&M)?



I would like to take a side step; this is still on topic, but I want to put a spin on it. The question has been asked "is masturbating a sin?", but we assume this question means alone. What do you think about mutual masturbation? In other words, if a couple wishes to masturbate together, is that a sin?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well in a thread about is masturbating a sin....It's bound to happen....



But not if you're tied up.

Though according to scripture it would still be wrong.....

what is wrong?

Originally posted by cking
what is wrong?

The church stands behind the idea that a mans seed shouldn't be wasted and masturbation even mutual is still wasting it...

masturbation isn't a sin, it is only a sin when lusts and fantasies about another person. masturbation and lusts are different. maybe you would like to see a website I have been looking into.

would you like to see it?

Originally posted by cking
masturbation isn't a sin, it is only a sin when lusts and fantasies about another person. masturbation and lusts are different. maybe you would like to see a website I have been looking into.

Well I know you were talking to someone else about that site, but I do know depending on your denomination it is a sin taken from the story of Tamar and spilling seed...Also it is the lust thing also...Most churches teach that if you masturbate while thinking of someone that is also a sin...so you would have to masturbate while thinking of something mundane like cleaning the garage...but see how unnatural that is...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well I know you were talking to someone else about that site, but I do know depending on your denomination it is a sin taken from the story of Tamar and spilling seed...Also it is the lust thing also...Most churches teach that if you masturbate while thinking of someone that is also a sin...so you would have to masturbate while thinking of something mundane like cleaning the garage...but see how unnatural that is...

Now that would be a sin...

I read NONE of this thread..............based on the topic title though.....

no, it is not a sin. most religions state that animals are pure, they cannot sin. animals masturbate........therefore it is not a sin. biologically speaking, in adolescent males, it is a must. It has to be done.....biologically. ejaculation must occur. If the young male chooses to not manually coax the ol' semen out........the body will do so on it's own. It's called nocturnal emmision........or wet dreams. Once the body begins producing sperm......it keeps producing, it does not stop.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Now that would be a sin...

Wouldn't it though....I think it would cause unnatural emotional problems....

Originally posted by Evil Dead
no, it is not a sin. most religions state that animals are pure, they cannot sin. animals masturbate........therefore it is not a sin. biologically speaking, in adolescent males, it is a must. It has to be done.....biologically. ejaculation must occur. If the young male chooses to not manually coax the ol' semen out........the body will do so on it's own. It's called nocturnal emmision........or wet dreams. Once the body begins producing sperm......it keeps producing, it does not stop.

Never thought about it that way.....And yes, I did see monkeys doin it before.....wonder what they were visualizing????

Originally posted by Evil Dead
I read NONE of this thread..............based on the topic title though.....

no, it is not a sin. most religions state that animals are pure, they cannot sin. animals masturbate........therefore it is not a sin. biologically speaking, in adolescent males, it is a must. It has to be done.....biologically. ejaculation must occur. If the young male chooses to not manually coax the ol' semen out........the body will do so on it's own. It's called nocturnal emmision........or wet dreams. Once the body begins producing sperm......it keeps producing, it does not stop.

Save your breath, don't confuse these people with facts. The premise behind the question is: is it a sin in the bible. I'm here just to have fun... By not back reading you've missed some good jokes.