Darth Traya vs. Exar Kun

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Emperor Revan
Read title. Traya killed three Council level Jedi masters at the same time with one use of the Force. Exar Kun, uh... I'll let Lord Darkstar fill in the blanks cuz he's way better in Exar's category then me...

Fishy
Exar..

Nothing wrong with Kreia but Exar is no fool with the force either and would not let himself be killed that easily. Exar could sure as hell take the Exile who most likely defeated Kreia in a fair fight, and well Exar his skill with a lightsaber was great

Emperor Revan
That's what I thought too, just wanted to hear the other opinions and stuff.

Lord Darkstar
Alright, here is all of my posts on Exar: (oh and if there are things about Revan in these posts, it is because this was taken directly from the Exar vs Revan thread and I was too lazy to go through and change it all)

Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire senate with one spell and then resuce his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar, they only sent what, 3 made it to the bridge to fight Revan, so say they sent 20. That tells you right there that the jedi considered Exar a bigger threat. This is espically important since it was around 40 years after Exar's rise and the jedi would have been under the public eye and not wanting to appear weak infront of the new sith, but they still only sent a handful of people against the new threat. Like I said above, against Exar they sent thousands.
And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something. Now I know that Kreia said Revan was the best she ever trained, but she was not several hundred years old.
Exar also studied alot, he was fasinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron, maybe not as much as Revan, but he was still extremely smart. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma. So that's my rebuttle to the 'Revan's far smarter and would thus win arguement'
Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. Sure he did it when he was about to be destroyed, but Revan never did that when the jedi strike force came, maybe becuase he could have won, but maybe because he didn't know how or didn't have the power.
Also, some people seem to think that Revan would win just because he is a tactician, yes it would help him, but Exar was a tactician too, not at the same level as Revan, but it would help to negegate Revan's advantage. With that not as effective, and Exar being just as strong in the force and probably a better dueller, Exar would win. Yes, I do know that he attacked Coursant far too soon, but that was Ulic-Qel Droma's problem, he disobeyed orders, Exar was forced to rescue him and reveal himself sooner than he wanted too.
Talking about Ulic, he was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his almost unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.
He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on!
Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He would then designed his own, unique, style of combat, something Revan would hardly have seen, giving Kun another advantage.
He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.
Exar killed also Freedon Nadd

Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so Traya couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun.
I think that Sadow's notes would be at least equal to Trayus acadamy. Trayus Acadmy was for teaching children, like the jedi temple library, it wouldn't hold the best stuff. Naga Sadow however was the dark lord of the sith, that would be more like the jedi council library, it would hold the best stuff.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

About Exar being defeated by 12 people, only 2 which had lightsabers, might I add that one of those people was Luke Skywalker, another was Kun's old master, a 4000 year old jedi master. Also, I think its impressive that it took 12 jedi combined, 2 of which were masters, to defeat Kun's ionized air particles.

think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died, including Revan. Yet, Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi eveer, Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive. Revan is good too, but his strength is tactics, yes he can beat Malak, but so could have Exar, and likely Ulic, Kuns apprentice.

when Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side eminating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with the double blade that was used during Revan's time.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, that would allow him to be able to outlast Kreia

Ok, I think thats it. I know lots of this stuff refers to Revan, however, the point is that if Exar is at least very nearly equal to Revan (I think I convinced Emperor Revan of that), tied with him (I think I convinced Janus of that) or just better than him (what I think), then no matter what you believe, Revan is far better than Kreia, so even if Exar is only on par with Revan, he can waste Kreia.

Lord Darkstar
boy, that wasn't my most clear post ever, hope you can understand that. If not, tell me and I will try and clairfy it

Emperor Revan
Good enough for me. And I don't know about NEARLY equal, but kinda close. big grin

Fishy
The post is good, hell most of the posts you made in debates about Exar are good they managed to convince me that Exar was a lot more powerful then I gave him credit for, and I can be really stubborn so like you said Exar wastes Kreia.

Lord Darkstar
^ thanks guys

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