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this is the last blog entry of a boy who was sent there..it's utterly disgusting.

www.loveinaction.org is the website of the program...

there was a protest, but it was only got local publicity. my god...this is so disturbing...


this kid hasn't updated at all since he's been gone, as they're not allowed to write anything down.


more information can be found here: http://www.mikeditto.com/archives/kudos_to_queer_action_coalition

just try to get this link out there..pass it on or something...

hysterical are they f*cking serious?

i wonder if it was one of them that sent this into postsecrets

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/296/2612/400/gay.jpg

Wow. This is so unbelievably wrong I cannot begin to describe it. All those rules, especially the pointless ones...I would be scared to death if I was made to attend a camp with rules like these. Though I would encourage counseling for anyone having relationship problems, I would never suggest a camp like this.

Sounds like someone needs his or her power fix...

Originally posted by jaden101
i wonder if it was one of them that sent this into postsecrets

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/296/2612/400/gay.jpg



Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow. This is so unbelievably wrong I cannot begin to describe it. All those rules, especially the pointless ones...I would be scared to death if I was made to attend a camp with rules like these. Though I would encourage counseling for anyone having relationship problems, I would never suggest a camp like this.

Sounds like someone needs his or her power fix...

the moral inventory is what cracks me up the most...

I'm gonna join

FeceMan: 1.
Scary camp: 0.

What the hell.

Where is the outrage, the indignance, the anti-Christian outcry to which I have accustomed myself?

For shame, GDF. I expected more of you.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What the hell.

Where is the outrage, the indignance, the anti-Christian outcry to which I have accustomed myself?

For shame, GDF. I expected more of you.

We are just open minded....the christians, or satanists or whatever they are can do whatever they want as long as they don't sacrifice me to their "god" or "Jebus"

more deprogrammnig camps. The people that run these things or advocate these things should be blugeoned with a rusty pipe.

This is ****ed up....I don't even have enough words to say what I think of this.

That's quite disgraceful, it really is about time that these religious nutcases realise than not all people actually want to share their beliefs.

You belief in a way of "life" (if you can call it that) others don't. Deal with it.

I'm sorry to any christians.

Not actually sorry if I've offended you, just sorry that you're actually a christian.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's quite disgraceful, it really is about time that these religious nutcases realise than not all people actually want to share their beliefs.

You belief in a way of "life" (if you can call it that) others don't. Deal with it.

I'm sorry to any christians.

Not actually sorry if I've offended you, just sorry that you're actually a christian.

-AC
Don't worry, I'm quite used to you being an ass nowadays. And don't worry, the feeling is mutual, and I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to be sorry when you die.

However, that isn't really the point of this thread.

Something occurred to me over dinner: it's a damn North Korea at the camp. That's what it is, a mini-North Korea. It's brainwashing at its finest--no individual thought, no outside contact, beyond-strict rules and regulations...

This is utterly disgusting.. if ever sent there my first order of business would be to kick the living shit out of any random person thereby breaking the 'no violence' rule & getting sent home

Wow. That's crazy.

I'm gunna sign myself up... I have a problem...

Let's see what they make of me, being British, and how they can help me.

WTF?? I can't beileve this!

Honestly, I would like to observe this 'camp' and write a summary of it. To reveal such...evil in the guise of good would do me well, for things make me ill.

EDIT: I checked out their web page and personal testimonies. I can agree with things like pornography being bad and some other stuff...but there is a reason there are so few testimonies when (I would assume) a number of people attend this camp.

what is the again?
hitler youth camp?

sounds like fun

OK, I walked the dog and had time to think this over.

The goal of the camp is to 'detox' people from their sexual addictions. We live in a world where sex reigns and it is easy to obtain instant gratification for our lusts. In order to cleanse the mind, the camp strives to remove as much temptation as possible and prevent situations in which one could give in to one's lust (i.e., masturbation).

In doing this, plus the counseling sessions, the students slowly heal from their wounds, allowing them to break free from their addictions. The strictness (and con-stricting nature of the rules) is to help the people take back control over their lives. Going cold turkey is the means the camp utilizes to do so.

I'm less angry now that I thought about it that way.

Also, don't try and tell me that sexual addictions don't exist. They do, and they are just as powerful as any other addiction out there (minus the withdrawal signs, of course). This is especially true when one can get one's 'fix' easily and for free.
Originally posted by PVS
what is the again?
hitler youth camp?

sounds like fun
No, as they aren't teaching hatred and prejudice.

Originally posted by FeceMan
OK, I walked the dog and had time to think this over.

The goal of the camp is to 'detox' people from their sexual addictions. We live in a world where sex reigns and it is easy to obtain instant gratification for our lusts. In order to cleanse the mind, the camp strives to remove as much temptation as possible and prevent situations in which one could give in to one's lust (i.e., masturbation).

In doing this, plus the counseling sessions, the students slowly heal from their wounds, allowing them to break free from their addictions. The strictness (and con-stricting nature of the rules) is to help the people take back control over their lives. Going cold turkey is the means the camp utilizes to do so.

I'm less angry now that I thought about it that way.

Also, don't try and tell me that sexual addictions don't exist. They do, and they are just as powerful as any other addiction out there (minus the withdrawal signs, of course). This is especially true when one can get one's 'fix' easily and for free.

No, as they aren't teaching hatred and prejudice.

That's all fine and good, except that they're not only trying to free people of such "sexual addictions," but they're trying to un-gayify them... Which is completely wrong any way you look at it.

Personally I don't think there's anything spiritually wrong with sex, I try to respect most people who do, but... Homosexuality is a naturally occuring thing. In the words of Immortal Technique, the ultimate sin is to be ashamed of who you are.

I agree with DR -- they're trying to 'fix' gay kids. One of the rules of this thing is to be "Be authentic, honest, and real", but they're trying to force these kids to change the way they are -- in other words, to make them NOT be authentic, honest and real. People should simply accept the fact that not everyone is the same, and not try and force what they think on others.

BTW, masturbating isn't giving in to lust. Going out and sleeping with some random person would be.

Besides which, how does someone being gay, looking at porn, or masturbating harm anyone else? It doesn't. Therefore it is no one else's business, and no one has any right to tell them that they are wrong or try and force them to change. Live your life, and let everyone else live theres.

Yes sex addictions do exist but an addiction is only classified as such when the act begins to infringe on every aspect of your life in a negative or harmful way. To me, this just flatout doesnt qualify, seems more like something the parents dont like/dont understand/fear and so they try & have the kids brainwashed into changing for THEIR own reasons, not the kids'...

THIS is brainwashing.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
THIS is brainwashing.
Yes, it is.
Originally posted by Lana
I agree with DR -- they're trying to 'fix' gay kids. One of the rules of this thing is to be "Be authentic, honest, and real", but they're trying to force these kids to change the way they are -- in other words, to make them NOT be authentic, honest and real. People should simply accept the fact that not everyone is the same, and not try and force what they think on others.

BTW, masturbating isn't giving in to lust. Going out and sleeping with some random person would be.

Besides which, how does someone being gay, looking at porn, or masturbating harm anyone else? It doesn't. Therefore it is no one else's business, and no one has any right to tell them that they are wrong or try and force them to change. Live your life, and let everyone else live theres.
Aside from the kid in the link featured, it seems that most of these people go willingly because they don't want to be homosexuals. Therefore, the "un-gayification" is a personal choice in the matter. The people at the camp aren't forcing what they believe on others; they are trying to help those who have come for their aid, with counseling and with Christ. Also, no one is barging in on these people's personal lives (once again, aside from that kid). They have come because they know what they are doing is wrong--I'm sure to get a few flames for that one--and want to live like a Christian should.

That's ****ing stupid.

I swear, one of these days I'm gonna create a disease that only kills christians and release it upon them!

The world does not revolve around christian beliefs. Christian beliefs and not right, nor wrong. There is no right or wrong, it's time these morons realise that.

Originally posted by FeceMan
They have come because they know what they are doing is wrong.

And just who the Hell decides what is right and what is wrong?

You? I don't think so rolleyes1

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's quite disgraceful, it really is about time that these religious nutcases realise than not all people actually want to share their beliefs.

You belief in a way of "life" (if you can call it that) others don't. Deal with it.

I'm sorry to any christians.

Not actually sorry if I've offended you, just sorry that you're actually a christian.

-AC

That's just lovely....



I'm proud to be christian, that camp however is disgusting and it's horrible that all christians are being associated with it now.

should have a homosexual camp for christians, on the first day you learn "you cant have that crutssssifix with the blue tsjhirt"

Stupid camp for stupid people.

Hope a stray missile hits the place

if ppl really want to go they should, but forcing this on people would be very wrong.

I'm also said for people who feel that they are doing something wrong just because they're gay. There is nothing wrong with it.

AC you are seriously generalizing all christians man

Originally posted by BlackC@t
That's ****ing stupid.

I swear, one of these days I'm gonna create a disease that only kills christians and release it upon them!

The world does not revolve around christian beliefs. Christian beliefs and not right, nor wrong. There is no right or wrong, it's time these morons realise that.
You go ahead and do that. "There is no right or wrong".

I'm not going to even get into how incorrect that statement is.
Originally posted by BlackC@t
And just who the Hell decides what is right and what is wrong?

You? I don't think so rolleyes1
Nope. God does.

By the way, you didn't quote the whole sentence.

The testimonials were all from people who had signed themselves up, but I get the feeling from reading the "Parental Rules" that this kid isn't the only one whose family sent him there.

Also, keep in mind that there are very few testimonials for the number of people who must go there.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
The testimonials were all from people who had signed themselves up, but I get the feeling from reading the "Parental Rules" that this kid isn't the only one whose family sent him there.

Also, keep in mind that there are very few testimonials for the number of people who must go there.
I know, I already pointed that out. The people who force others to go are wrong, but I think this camp is--gasp!--a good thing for those who want to participate.

(Though it still is brainwashing. However, they volunteered to be brainwashed.)

EDIT: Now that I think of it, for the people that want to go, it does seem like a decent camp, but it just *feels* wrong, if you know what I mean. I can't explain it; it is just a sensation probably similar to that oft-trumpeted ability known as 'women's intuition'.

ok I'm getting a tad confused Fece you for or against the camp?

Originally posted by Fire
ok I'm getting a tad confused Fece you for or against the camp?
I am a tad confused as well...I don't know what stance I'm taking right now.

ok then I ain't the only one confused. But just to be clear about another thing, not to judge you or anything, but you believe homosexuality is wrong right?

Originally posted by Fire
ok then I ain't the only one confused. But just to be clear about another thing, not to judge you or anything, but you believe homosexuality is wrong right?
I believe that having a homosexual relationship is wrong, not homosexuality.

ok, so people can be gay as long as they don't have sex? or they can't even have a relationship?

Originally posted by Fire
ok, so people can be gay as long as they don't have sex? or they can't even have a relationship?
Oh, boy, this is getting touchier with every post.

I believe former is wrong; how exactly do you mean the latter?

People can have a relationship without it resulting to sex. a platonic relationship.

The reason I asked is because I heard something on TV a few days/weeks back that a certain protestant group was going to allow gay people to live together as long as they didn't have sex.
Something like that.... Don't quote me on this!

If you don't want to answer my questions because you feel they are too personal just tell me, you don't have to answer

Originally posted by Fire
People can have a relationship without it resulting to sex. a platonic relationship.

The reason I asked is because I heard something on TV a few days/weeks back that a certain protestant group was going to allow gay people to live together as long as they didn't have sex.
Something like that.... Don't quote me on this!

If you don't want to answer my questions because you feel they are too personal just tell me, you don't have to answer
I'm not worried about it being too personal, I'm worried about certain members of KMC attacking my faith, my beliefs, and me.

I would say that a platonic relationship is not wrong. However, you'll get other Christians who will say that homosexuality is A-OK in the Bible (*cough* Catholics *cough*) and others that carry around signs that say "God hates ****".

According to the Bible, neither of these views is true.

Well being a european and that giving me the chance to see the pope on tv almost every week I know that not all catholics believe that homosexuality is ok.

But a lot of the Catholics have indeed grown to accept Homosexuality, as I do.

Here we differe from opinion, but I trust in time you will agree with my idea that the camp is pretty bad.

Originally posted by Fire
Well being a european and that giving me the chance to see the pope on tv almost every week I know that not all catholics believe that homosexuality is ok.

But a lot of the Catholics have indeed grown to accept Homosexuality, as I do.

Here we differe from opinion, but I trust in time you will agree with my idea that the camp is pretty bad.
I accept homosexuality. According to the Bible, however, no Christian should condone it.

Once again, though, this isn't the point of the thread.

Actually, one of my friends who is a fairly serious Christian said that (lemme quote what she said) "Anyway, being gay is NOT a sin. Most christians seem to think that being gay IS indeed a sin but really it isn't. In God's eyes being gay is immoral."

(that's precisely what she said)

Anyway, I don't think it should be anyone elses business, if someone is gay, let them be, it doesn't in any way bother you so why should you care? What makes it your business?

aint it sinfull for a christian to be immoral?

*shrugs* hell if I know, I'm not Christian.

well hell sure is sinful for them

Im a christian! sort of... well I was raised catholic but KMC totally turned me over nah just kidding I stopped believing a while ago, and well christians do not find immoral a sin, it's just- well... immoral.
But I think in the bible it says something like: he who lies with a man as a man lies with a woman is comitting a sin or something like that... its all very confusing I mean cant the bible just say
homosexuality: SIN/NOT SIN
abortion: SIN/NOT SIN
etc. it'd be a heck lot easier for convos like this

LOL, but I don't think they'd even thought to do abortions back then

Im not sure you're right Ive read about VERY old abortion techniques

Originally posted by IceWithin
Im a christian! sort of... well I was raised catholic but KMC totally turned me over nah just kidding I stopped believing a while ago, and well christians do not find immoral a sin, it's just- well... immoral.
But I think in the bible it says something like: he who lies with a man as a man lies with a woman is comitting a sin or something like that... its all very confusing I mean cant the bible just say
homosexuality: SIN/NOT SIN
abortion: SIN/NOT SIN
etc. it'd be a heck lot easier for convos like this
You are correct about that, but the Bible uses lots of phrases (sinful/immoral/wicked/etc.) and they all mean one thing:

NAUGHTY!
Originally posted by Darth Revan
LOL, but I don't think they'd even thought to do abortions back then
IceWithin is correct; they have had abortions for a very long time.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You are correct about that, but the Bible uses lots of phrases (sinful/immoral/wicked/etc.) and they all mean one thing:

NAUGHTY!

IceWithin is correct; they have had abortions for a very long time.

But how are christians supposed to know that if what they're doing is simply uncool or is a reason for you to burn in hell?


of course I am

Originally posted by IceWithin
I mean cant the bible just say
abortion: SIN/NOT SIN
etc. it'd be a heck lot easier for convos like this

The Bible does come out and say murder is a sin...

Originally posted by FeceMan
I accept homosexuality. According to the Bible, however, no Christian should condone it.

Once again, though, this isn't the point of the thread.

thx for answering tho

Originally posted by debbiejo
The Bible does come out and say murder is a sin...

REALLY? good! GUYS MURDER IS A SIN! all our bible questions are answered now! THANK YOU debbiejo!

just kidding, but still that doesnt really help much

Originally posted by debbiejo
The Bible does come out and say murder is a sin...
But the Bible doen't say that abortion is murder now does it

christians consider abortion as murder tho

but what I hate is that not only do christians not abort their babies, they go to abortion clinics, and make every girl that goes in there feel like a piece of shit who's going to burn in hell for eternity

Well yes but who cares what christians think....god surely doesn't.

And yes those people are shit and I am happy to know that if they are right with heaven and hell they will burn right next to me

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well yes but who cares what christians think....god surely doesn't.

And yes those people are shit and I am happy to know that if they are right with heaven and hell they will burn right next to me

do u really think that if christians r right about heaven and hell, u'd go to hell?

If those christians that go to abortiaon clinics are right....yes....well if the bible is right then yes.

you know only through Jesus and blah blah blah

even if that were true I dont think u'd be in hell... nor would I, but who knows maybe we'll see each other in hell...
but well if ewan'd be down there it wouldnt be so bad would it?

Originally posted by IceWithin
even if that were true I dont think u'd be in hell... nor would I, but who knows maybe we'll see each other in hell...
but well if ewan'd be down there it wouldnt be so bad would it?

HEy stop with the ewan jokes....just because he's damn sexy I don't want to make out with him.....

And well if that makes you feel good....good...but face it if you don't belive in god and there is a good....you are ****ed

its just that I was SOO not expecting u to asnwer ewan mcgregor, but its no fun anymore Ill stop

i did not get the last bit... but it doesnt make me feel good... I just think about it soemtimes...

Originally posted by IceWithin
its just that I was SOO not expecting u to asnwer ewan mcgregor, but its no fun anymore Ill stop

i did not get the last bit... but it doesnt make me feel good... I just think about it soemtimes...

It was a rather stupid question anyways...but Ewan is still a good choice

Yes well me too...and I know In will be damned...I can't change it...I can't just start belive in something I don't believe in.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It was a rather stupid question anyways...but Ewan is still a good choice

Yes well me too...and I know In will be damned...I can't change it...I can't just start belive in something I don't believe in.
it is a kinda good answer

Same here when I started to "break off" catholicism I tried to like believe in it, but I simply just didnt think it was possible no more... and remember I come from a VERY catholic, conservative family. My mom still thinks Im a devoted christian...

Better than yours for sure

Yeah well my parents never were that devoted anyways...my mom might still belive but I know my dad doesn't. I think its unfair.. you can't just choose what to belive....very stupid indeed.

I guess mine wasnt THAT bad

my mom would have a heart attack if she knew Im a liberal atheist

Whats up with that? Livin in china and being a devoted catholic?
Well she won't see you in eternity so that is kind of stupid

I know... its weird... my mom's pretty weird
lol yeah

Originally posted by Bardock42
But the Bible doen't say that abortion is murder now does it
"Do not shed innocent blood".

Yeah well.....my folks are kind of cool...sometimes.....not very often but you know.

lol well mine suck. in the civil war in spain, guess which side they thought was right? when the "Golpe de Estado" happened in Chile, guess which side they were cheering? well I guess they were kinda right in the latter, I mean Pinochet was very extreme but he gave a stable economy to the people...

Hmm....and they are german or what?

yes but I told u we also mix with chileans...sort of not by blood... gah! I told u already

Originally posted by IceWithin
yes but I told u we also mix with chileans...sort of not by blood... gah! I told u already

Yes well....watch memento

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes well....watch memento

huh

Originally posted by IceWithin
huh

You know...I never ever remember stuff

oh yeah... I dont think its u its me same thing happened with misha whatever here's for the VERY last time!

from my father's family:
His grandfather and his family escaped FROM germany TO chile when the whole Nazi thing happened. they settled in chile lived, yadde yadde, after the whole nazi thing was over they, most of the family went back to ze mozerland but my dad's grandfather's sister or something like that stayed in chile, so my great grandfather had kids blah blah blah, when my dad was around... 11 I think his grandfather's sister invited him to stay with her in santiago for the summer, and thats when the whole Allende-pinochet thingy happened...

so yeah thats pretty much it

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes well....watch memento

omg I just got that

anyways gotta go now.. if u have any questions about ym ****ed up family bardock just pm me... bye

Yeah see you...anyone else want to talk then?

Seriously ....... whats up with this?! This world ....... is ... seriously ...... SCREWED!

when will people learn...

you can not convert someone to be "straight"

I being gay myself, My dad tried countless times to "convert" me..haha

Interesting experiment time

Basically, loads of gay men were part of a psychological experiment, and shown porn. When they were aroused by "straight" porn, they were rewarded. When they were aroused by "gay" porn, they were given an electric shock. In theory, this should turn them straight...

What actually happened, was their sexuality remained constant, and they actually started to get aroused by the electric shocks.... interesting stuff

Its just pathetic! We are who we are, and Christians ... or all religions that go around saying that it isn't what God intended. Well he also said that he would love us no matter what ....... so just get the f*ck over it. We are who we are, and not everyone can change us!
Learn to deal with who we are, and not who you want us to be!

Originally posted by dave123
What actually happened, was their sexuality remained constant, and they actually started to get aroused by the electric shocks.... interesting stuff

Originally posted by dave123
Interesting experiment time

Basically, loads of gay men were part of a psychological experiment, and shown porn. When they were aroused by "straight" porn, they were rewarded. When they were aroused by "gay" porn, they were given an electric shock. In theory, this should turn them straight...

What actually happened, was their sexuality remained constant, and they actually started to get aroused by the electric shocks.... interesting stuff
Classical conditioning.

yup only it worked the wrong way round to what was expected

Originally posted by FeceMan
You go ahead and do that. "There is no right or wrong".

I'm not going to even get into how incorrect that statement is.

Nope. God does.

By the way, you didn't quote the whole sentence.

When it comes to sexuality there is no right or wrong.

Simple because the bible says so does not mean God agrees with it. I'm sure he's a ashamed of christians for thinking such things. What a horrible nasty thing to do. You need to be taught tolerance.

God doesn't care. On judgement day christians are going to be asked "Why did you make such lies about God and why are you intolerant of how people want to live their lives?"

You're going to be in deep trouble, enjoy.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
When it comes to sexuality there is no right or wrong.

Simple because the bible says so does not mean God agrees with it. I'm sure he's a ashamed of christians for thinking such things. What a horrible nasty thing to do. You need to be taught tolerance.

God doesn't care. On judgement day christians are going to be asked "Why did you make such lies about God and why are you intolerant of how people want to live their lives?"

You're going to be in deep trouble, enjoy.
The Bible is the word of God. Therefore, God agrees with it. No one is being intolerant here. If I were one of those people yelling about how God hated homosexuals, I would be acting intolerantly and warping what the Bible says.

I am not lying.

I'm fairly certain that, as a Christian, I'm not going to be in any trouble on judgment day. On the other hand, if I were you, I would be more worried about myself.

Well actually if I were christian I had to accept the Bible as Gods word so in fact they are not that wrong.

Originally posted by IceWithin
Im a christian! sort of... well I was raised catholic but KMC totally turned me over nah just kidding I stopped believing a while ago, and well christians do not find immoral a sin, it's just- well... immoral.
But I think in the bible it says something like: he who lies with a man as a man lies with a woman is comitting a sin or something like that... its all very confusing I mean cant the bible just say
homosexuality: SIN/NOT SIN
abortion: SIN/NOT SIN
etc. it'd be a heck lot easier for convos like this

it says:
"You (masculine singular) shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination" (18:22).
and
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. " (20:13)

in that same book (leviticus) it also states:
males should avoid touching the bed of a mensturating woman(18:19)
if a man has sexual relations with an animal, he will be put to death and so will the animal (18:23).
if the daughter of a priest "plays the whore", she shall be burnt to death (21:9)


i tend to believe these are not to be translated literally. i really find it rediculous when people use those leviticus passages against homosexuals...


(but i'm an atheist so hey)

Originally posted by FeceMan
The Bible is the word of God. Therefore, God agrees with it. No one is being intolerant here. If I were one of those people yelling about how God hated homosexuals, I would be acting intolerantly and warping what the Bible says.

I am not lying.

I'm fairly certain that, as a Christian, I'm not going to be in any trouble on judgment day. On the other hand, if I were you, I would be more worried about myself.

If you were me I'd kill myself.

There will be no judgement day. I will come back as a ghost, which actually do exist and is not some kind of myth. Like the bible.

Christians make me sick.

Originally posted by FeceMan
"Do not shed innocent blood".

More importantly, "Thou shalt not kill," the one commandment which ironically gets ignored by a huge number of Christians.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
If you were me I'd kill myself.

There will be no judgement day. I will come back as a ghost, which actually do exist and is not some kind of myth. Like the bible.

Christians make me sick.

BlackC@t, I used to almost respect you, but I think you just made the switch from being unreasonable to acting downright stupid, intolerant, and hypocritical. I don't agree with FeceMan either, but I let him believe what he believes, and vice versa. I respect him because he tends to be reasonably nice, even when we disagree.

"...why are you intolerant of how people want to live their lives?"

vs

"If you were me I'd kill myself... Christians make me sick."

http://www.allfunpics.com/data/media/5/bullshit3.jpg

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's quite disgraceful, it really is about time that these religious nutcases realise than not all people actually want to share their beliefs.

You belief in a way of "life" (if you can call it that) others don't. Deal with it.

I'm sorry to any christians.

Not actually sorry if I've offended you, just sorry that you're actually a christian.

-AC

I'm chiristian.

I also think this is royally retarded.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
BlackC@t, I used to almost respect you, but I think you just made the switch from being unreasonable to acting downright stupid, intolerant, and hypocritical. I don't agree with FeceMan either, but I let him believe what he believes, and vice versa. I respect him because he tends to be reasonably nice, even when we disagree.

"...why are you intolerant of how people want to live their lives?"

vs

"If you were me I'd kill myself... Christians make me sick."

http://www.allfunpics.com/data/media/5/bullshit3.jpg
OWNED.
Originally posted by BlackC@t
If you were me I'd kill myself.

There will be no judgement day. I will come back as a ghost, which actually do exist and is not some kind of myth. Like the bible.

Christians make me sick.
Keep thinking that. You can be as ethereal as you want when you are thrown into the Abyss...

And it's hypocritical that you disregard my beliefs as a 'myth' and idiotic, whereas you believe in ghosts and other 'spiritual' stuff which is somewhat similar.

But, once again for the third time, this is *NOT* the point of the thread.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
BlackC@t, I used to almost respect you, but I think you just made the switch from being unreasonable to acting downright stupid, intolerant, and hypocritical. I don't agree with FeceMan either, but I let him believe what he believes, and vice versa. I respect him because he tends to be reasonably nice, even when we disagree.

"...why are you intolerant of how people want to live their lives?"

vs

"If you were me I'd kill myself... Christians make me sick."

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He think's he has a right to say what is wrong and decide what other peoples choices are.

I believe in ghosts because I myself have had PROOF that they exist. Has he had any proof that the bible is true? Has he had any proof that God exists?

"He think's he has a right to say what is wrong and decide what other peoples choices are."

Apparently so do you.

"I believe in ghosts because I myself have had PROOF that they exist. Has he had any proof that the bible is true? Has he had any proof that God exists?"

I hope you realize how laughable that sounds, backing up your argument that Christianity is crap with the claim that ghosts exist.

She doesn't like Christians because they don't believe her. Or possibly call it evil.

what proof is that

Wow...whoever came up with this program is definately gay....clean, neat appearance required? definately a queen at heart.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Wow...whoever came up with this program is definately gay....clean, neat appearance required? definately a queen at heart.
The Queen of Queens?

BTW, who is that in your avatar?

Originally posted by Furious Angel
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=7428306&blogID=28610354&Mytoken=20050614185806

this is the last blog entry of a boy who was sent there..it's utterly disgusting.

www.loveinaction.org is the website of the program...

there was a protest, but it was only got local publicity. my god...this is so disturbing...


this kid hasn't updated at all since he's been gone, as they're not allowed to write anything down.


more information can be found here: http://www.mikeditto.com/archives/kudos_to_queer_action_coalition

just try to get this link out there..pass it on or something...

those rules are extremely conservative and stupid.

Interesting....and very weird...it's different...what else can i say..never heard of anything like that...

Originally posted by FeceMan
The Queen of Queens?

BTW, who is that in your avatar?

If I'm not mistaken it's the Cap'n F himself.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
"He think's he has a right to say what is wrong and decide what other peoples choices are."

Apparently so do you.

"I believe in ghosts because I myself have had PROOF that they exist. Has he had any proof that the bible is true? Has he had any proof that God exists?"

I hope you realize how laughable that sounds, backing up your argument that Christianity is crap with the claim that ghosts exist.

I don't say what is actually wrong, I say what I think is right and wrong.

"I hope you realize how laughable that sounds, backing up your argument that Christianity is crap with the claim that ghosts exist."

How is that laughable about something that has had a lot of evidence for? I have had proof of the afterlife. Is there proof of God? Any photos? Any EVPs' from God?

Just because the bible is a book it's true? Okay then, I read Harry Potter so I guess that must be true too

you said you had proof of ghosts, so wheres your proof?

this is really funny

Originally posted by Darth Revan
If I'm not mistaken it's the Cap'n F himself.


Indeed it is.

Originally posted by finti
you said you had proof of ghosts, so wheres your proof?
/point and laugh
Originally posted by Darth Revan
If I'm not mistaken it's the Cap'n F himself.
Yeah...twenty years ago!

Make that forty years ago, since Capt is obviously Magneto, per his former avatar .

"I don't say what is actually wrong, I say what I think is right and wrong."

That's not what you made it sound like earlier. "Christians make me sick" and "if I were you I'd kill myself" are pretty damn powerful statements.

"How is that laughable about something that has had a lot of evidence for? I have had proof of the afterlife. Is there proof of God? Any photos? Any EVPs' from God?"

Well, for starters, you never gave any proof. The mere claim that you have proof isn't proof in itself. Besides which, it's completely, entirely irrelevant, and I don't know WHY you had to bring it up in the first place. Really bad debating technique, when you consider that more people believe in some kind of god than in ghosts.

"Just because the bible is a book it's true? Okay then, I read Harry Potter so I guess that must be true too "

Just because the Discovery Channel told you ghosts exist it's true? Well then, I guess that guy at West Coast Choppers is a complete genius in the highest form.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Make that forty years ago, since Capt is obviously Magneto, per his former avatar .

Not forty...maybe two or three...but not forty. As for the whole Magneto thing, I obviouslyhave nothing against Ian McKellen(he's my favorite actor and has been since before he played Magneto)...but I'm not quite that old yet.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
"I don't say what is actually wrong, I say what I think is right and wrong."

That's not what you made it sound like earlier. "Christians make me sick" and "if I were you I'd kill myself" are pretty damn powerful statements.

"How is that laughable about something that has had a lot of evidence for? I have had proof of the afterlife. Is there proof of God? Any photos? Any EVPs' from God?"

Well, for starters, you never gave any proof. The mere claim that you have proof isn't proof in itself. Besides which, it's completely, entirely irrelevant, and I don't know WHY you had to bring it up in the first place. Really bad debating technique, when you consider that more people believe in some kind of god than in ghosts.

"Just because the bible is a book it's true? Okay then, I read Harry Potter so I guess that must be true too "

Just because the Discovery Channel told you ghosts exist it's true? Well then, I guess that guy at West Coast Choppers is a complete genius in the highest form.
The amount of ownage you continue to shovel out to BlackC@t is really quite amazing.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Not forty...maybe two or three...but not forty. As for the whole Magneto thing, I obviouslyhave nothing against Ian McKellen(he's my favorite actor and has been since before he played Magneto)...but I'm not quite that old yet.

Aww, Mr Fantastic, how are you?...

Email me sometime or send me a PM

Originally posted by FeceMan
The amount of ownage you continue to shovel out to BlackC@t is really quite amazing.

Wow, thanks

when is ghostbuster gonna give us his proofs

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Not forty...maybe two or three...but not forty. As for the whole Magneto thing, I obviouslyhave nothing against Ian McKellen(he's my favorite actor and has been since before he played Magneto)...but I'm not quite that old yet.

Aww, what a cute little pic of you.....

see me???

Originally posted by debbiejo
Aww, what a cute little pic of you.....

see me???

when I said two or three....I meant number of years old th epicture was...not how old I was. I mean, I wasn't smoking when I was three.


But it's a cute pic...none the less. You look all ready to spend the summer at gay de-programming camp.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic


But it's a cute pic...none the less. You look all ready to spend the summer at gay de-programming camp.

I lived in California though.

Bump for the update on the fellow's blog.

JEEZ !

thats a lot !

one time at homosexual camp..

Originally posted by FeceMan
Bump for the update on the fellow's blog.


Fece!...you're following the blog activities of a 16 year old gay guy?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Fece!...you're following the blog activities of a 16 year old gay guy?



In what manner am I supposed to respond to this?

Whatever. *yawn*

If they want to have themselves psychologically-f***ed for life. So be it. Their choice. Won't work. But it's their lives. A pathetic one at that.

It's like taking illegal drugs. They're harming themselves (and possibly their families). However the circle of harm CAN expand if they try to pursue a heterosexual "lifestyle". Most gay men don't last for the whole marriage these days and they get action on the side and the wife finds out and next thing you know they're duking it out on Montel.

HOWEVER, there is a very serious flaw, I don't know if it was brought up recently, but TEENAGERS can also be sent to these camps...against their will. Which is wrong beyond belief.

Thats just weird.

It is. Enormously. However I deeply condone involving gay teenagers or "gay" children. That's deeply and utterly inhumane.

Originally posted by FeceMan
In what manner am I supposed to respond to this?


Um...with your typical rapier wit, of course. *** for tat, that sort of thing...

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Um...with your typical rapier wit, of course. *** for tat, that sort of thing...

You can't say the word *** on this forum?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Um...with your typical rapier wit, of course. *** for tat, that sort of thing...
I don't think I have anything with which to work.

I think all I have to say to your original post is, "Short answer, yes. Long answer, no."