Who is the bigger conman? Dan Brown or Graham Hancock

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whirlysplat
These to rewrite history based on rubbish who is the better conman.

Hancock:
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Graham_Hancock.htm

http://doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/pyramide/pyr03_e.php

What a ****

Dan Brown

http://petragrail.tripod.com/hoax.html

http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/features/article_3136.php/The_Da_Vinci_Code_Unlocked_Lousy_History

another ****

Fishy
What do you have against Dan Brown? I've never even read something from the other guy so I really wouldn't know anything about his books but seriously...

whirlysplat
hilarious rubbish being passed off to the ignorant as reality. big grin I enjoyed the book and Holy Blood, Holy Grail before it though.Originally posted by Fishy
What do you have against Dan Brown? I've never even read something from the other guy so I really wouldn't know anything about his books but seriously...

Fishy
Originally posted by whirlysplat
hilarious rubbish being passed off to the ignorant. big grin

You do realise that a lot of what he claims is based on facts, or highly likely theory's. And that a lot of historians agree with a lot of his claims or at least admit that they could be right, don't you?

whirlysplat
Originally posted by Fishy
You do realise that a lot of what he claims is based on facts, or highly likely theory's. And that a lot of historians agree with a lot of his claims or at least admit that they could be right, don't you?

A lot more do not big grin Show me a credible historian that backs Brown at all. It means you have to believe in the bible to start with as historic fact.

lmao

whirlysplat

Fishy
I've seen that post three times already and it means absolutely nothing...

Historical fact about what? Jesus not being the son of god?

Muslims have a book about it, you should read it.

Maria M.

Scrolls have been found by here recently, I don't think they are fully translated yet. Lets wait for that shall we.

The Priory of Sion

Well thats probably false

Knight Templars?

Very real

Holy Grail?

In the form its described in the book, probably fake. In the form movies describe it? Probably fake, is it fake? Probably not. Look around on the Internet I'm sure you can find some examples

yerssot
Originally posted by whirlysplat
hilarious rubbish being passed off to the ignorant as reality. big grin I enjoyed the book and Holy Blood, Holy Grail before it though.
pitty the ignorant who can't seperate fiction from truth, don't call someone who makes a living of writing fiction names for the short comings of others

whirlysplat
Yes Knights Templar are real.


So you say the Holy Grail is Science fact.

lmao

whirlysplat
So the Muslim faiths view of christ is the correct one? So his the prophet who will return. confused

Knights Templar are real big grin

Scrolls more religious rubbish


Holy Grail real? Sorry, I thought it was a medieval invention as an idea of the quest for truth and hope. Must be my mistake confused
Originally posted by Fishy
I've seen that post three times already and it means absolutely nothing...

Historical fact about what? Jesus not being the son of god?

Muslims have a book about it, you should read it.

Maria M.

Scrolls have been found by here recently, I don't think they are fully translated yet. Lets wait for that shall we.

The Priory of Sion

Well thats probably false

Knight Templars?

Very real

Holy Grail?

In the form its described in the book, probably fake. In the form movies describe it? Probably fake, is it fake? Probably not. Look around on the Internet I'm sure you can find some examples

Deano
what do you know what is fact..and what is fiction?

whirlysplat
Originally posted by Deano
what do you know what is fact..and what is fiction?

roll eyes (sarcastic) hello Deano, well because I am part of the great global conspiracy.

roll eyes (sarcastic) I am the high priest of the owlgod

confused

Deano
i thought as much....

ragesRemorse
either one would take candy from a baby while clubbing it. A crook is a crook

grade 3 ol
I havnt read the... watsis name.. graham hancock.. But I dont really care. Dan brownsbooks are cool. I love the way theyre written. I've read 2. Who cares if they are not antirely acurate. If people really believe everything they read, it just proves that they are gullible. Kinda looke behing you it's the "truth" about the holy grail! ah! made you look. I'm looking 4 holy blood holy grail cause I'm game to try new authors. Did anyone see "The real Davinci code"? oh, I guess thats what started this right?

Imaginary
*sigh* It's just a book people. Read it if you're interested, then move on.

Novusordo
Dan Brown's book are all factual and the secret societies he mentions are real but he likes to add bullshit around them all for the sake of creating a decent story. For example Dan Brown knows very well that the Priory of Sion is not the 'keeper of the holy grail'. Why? Well becuase there is no Holy Grail to begin with and there is no Jesus bloodline since Jesus never existed in the first place as he is simply another of the 2 dozen or so ancient deities that had the exact same story even down to the fine details of frankensense and Murh being given to them at their birth, I kid you NOT!

Other shit Brown has added to the factual foundations of his books are the Merovigian bloodline being that of Jesus.... again.... not true for Jesus never existed in the first place.

The Merovigian bloodline is the bloodline that desended from the interbreeding of the gods plural and human woman back in Sumer times which created the aristocratic royal bloodline which went on to rule civilization from then on and still do to this very day!

Dont beleive all the presidents of the USA, all prime-ministers..... everyone in all major seats of power are not only directly related to eachother but are of Merovigian lineage and therfore, related to all the kings, queens, pheroe's, ect, ect throught the whole of history? Then do the genaology wink

Deano
very well said thumb up

whirlysplat
Talking of Genaology this guy not only believes in bloodlines of gods but that, the british royal family come from aien lizards.


See here

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4166181#post4166181

laugh


Originally posted by Novusordo
Dan Brown's book are all factual and the secret societies he mentions are real but he likes to add bullshit around them all for the sake of creating a decent story. For example Dan Brown knows very well that the Priory of Sion is not the 'keeper of the holy grail'. Why? Well becuase there is no Holy Grail to begin with and there is no Jesus bloodline since Jesus never existed in the first place as he is simply another of the 2 dozen or so ancient deities that had the exact same story even down to the fine details of frankensense and Murh being given to them at their birth, I kid you NOT!

Other shit Brown has added to the factual foundations of his books are the Merovigian bloodline being that of Jesus.... again.... not true for Jesus never existed in the first place.

The Merovigian bloodline is the bloodline that desended from the interbreeding of the gods plural and human woman back in Sumer times which created the aristocratic royal bloodline which went on to rule civilization from then on and still do to this very day!

Dont beleive all the presidents of the USA, all prime-ministers..... everyone in all major seats of power are not only directly related to eachother but are of Merovigian lineage and therfore, related to all the kings, queens, pheroe's, ect, ect throught the whole of history? Then do the genaology wink

Novusordo
Yes the Royal bloodlines of Europe who openly ruled the world up untill the around 15th century all came from the Merovigian bloodline and that bloodline came from Sumer and was fused between the "gods" and human woman.

The ammount of ancient historical and religious texts (not least the Bible), all share the same theme of "gods" decending from the "heavens" and interbreeding with human woman that created giant monsters called Nefilim.

Its that theme that is repeated throught the world on everything from books, scrolls to slates.

Its this fusion of alien and human DNA that made the Royal Merovigian line which still is in power to this day.

By the way the Merovigian bloodline is considered an historical fact.

whirlysplat
Gods are fact eek! Originally posted by Novusordo
Yes the Royal bloodlines of Europe who openly ruled the world up untill the around 15th century all came from the Merovigian bloodline and that bloodline came from Sumer and was fused between the "gods" and human woman.

The ammount of ancient historical and religious texts (not least the Bible), all share the same theme of "gods" decending from the "heavens" and interbreeding with human woman that created giant monsters called Nefilim.

Its that theme that is repeated throught the world on everything from books, scrolls to slates.

Its this fusion of alien and human DNA that made the Royal Merovigian line which still is in power to this day.

By the way the Merovigian bloodline is considered an historical fact.

Deano
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Gods are fact eek!

gods descending from the heavens...the people thought they was gods
they was somethin else....
read the post again

whirlysplat
Aliens eek!

Novusordo
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Aliens eek!

Well done smile

The gods were just one name for them.

They were called the Chitehuri in Africa and the Watchers or Annunaki in others.

Before you mindlessly ridicule me like all the other sheep that dont think for themselves, why don you let your brain register my previous statment that the theme of "gods decending from the heavens and interbreeding with human woman" is written on texts and tablets all around the world?

whirlysplat
laughing
Originally posted by Novusordo
Well done smile

The gods were just one name for them.

They were called the Chitehuri in Africa and the Watchers or Annunaki in others.

Before you mindlessly ridicule me like all the other sheep that dont think for themselves, why don you let your brain register my previous statment that the theme of "gods decending from the heavens and interbreeding with human woman" is written on texts and tablets all around the world?

manny321
da vinci code is a good and will be made into a great movie.

Novusordo
Originally posted by whirlysplat
laughing

Your signature is good.... why dont you step out from the herd if you are one of the very few who can actually see that humans act exactly like a herd of stupid dumb sheep that wont think for themselves?

whirlysplat
Originally posted by Novusordo
Your signature is good.... why dont you step out from the herd if you are one of the very few who can actually see that humans act exactly like a herd of stupid dumb sheep that wont think for themselves?

roll eyes (sarcastic)

amity75
I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

Tptmanno1

whirlysplat
Exactly big grin

whirlysplat
Hmmmmmm........... Hancocks research is what you say.......................Excellent you say........................I will post on this tmz..................................Originally posted by amity75
I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

Tptmanno1
People look to much into this shit.
Read his other books, wether or not he means to do it, he's simple creating the same story over some vast "conspiracy theroy"
Gets boring.

amity75
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Hmmmmmm........... Hancocks research is what you say.......................Excellent you say........................I will post on this tmz.................................. blink

Lana
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
To quote Jon Steward:
"Or as your local bookstore calls it, The FICTION section."

Gotta love Jon Stewart big grin

Seriously, people read waaaaay too much into this stuff.

Tptmanno1
Yuppers!

manny321
true its just a interesting book.

Dreadlord_913
The Da Vinci Code was great. It's just up to you to determine what's truth and what's FICTION

whirlysplat
Originally posted by amity75
I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

Here is a very good article on the quality of Mr Hancocks research. I reproduce it in whole from antiquity of man.com

An analysis of the quality of Graham Hancock's "science"
Leaving aside the fallacies already well-exposed by the other articles on this site, I would like to concentrate the reader's focus on a different matter. I propose a shift in attention away from Hancock's own ideas to his backing of other alternative authors, and how this reflects both on his understandings of the archaeological discipline as well as on the validity of his scientific judgements.
There is a book currently on the market called "The Hidden History of the Human Race" by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson. It is the condensed version of "Forbidden Archeology" which is aimed at the general public. Cremo and Thompson "are members of the Bhaktivedanta Institute, a branch of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness that studies the relationship between modern science and the world view expressed in the Vedic literature of India. From the Vedic literature, we derive the idea that the human race is of great antiquity." In other words, what is presented is a religious tract dressed up in pseudo-scientific terminology with archaeological remains taken, and scientists quoted, out of context. By backing the book Hancock demonstrates a failure to understand one of the main premises of science: science is not religion and religion is not science. Any creationist work is, therefore, by default on false ground. Science works by examining the factual remains and building theories to explain the evidence.

Graham Hancock wrote the Forward to "The Hidden History of Mankind" and his words are revealing: "Let me say at the outset that I believe this book to be one of the landmark intellectual achievements of the late twentieth century. It will take more conservative scholars a long while, probably many years, to come to terms with the revelations it contains... Cremo and Thompson's central proposition is that the model of human prehistory, carefully built-up by scholars over the past two centuries, is sadly and completely wrong... This is a position that is close to my own heart; indeed it forms the basis of my book Fingerprints of the Gods. There, however, my focus was exclusively on the last 20,000 years and on the possibility that an advanced global civilization may have flourished more than 12,000 years ago only to be wiped out and forgotten in the great cataclysm that brought the last Ice Age to an end. In The Hidden History of the Human Race Cremo and Thompson go much further, pushing back the horizons of our amnesia not just 12,000 or 20,000 years, but millions of years into the past, and showing that almost everything we have been taught to believe about the origins and evolution of our species rests on the shaky foundation of academic opinion, and on a highly selective sampling of research results."

If Hancock considers taking finds and quoting scientists out of context to be rational and scientific, he is by all means free to do so. But that is just it: it's only an opinion. The current picture revealed by the fossil record has been painstakingly built up over the past century and a half. It has been done through excavation, evaluating the results critically, re-evaluation and acceptance or disproval and reattribution. This is done in line with basic scientific standards and recordings, and is not something which can be tossed aside because some people resent the results of anatomical, dating and stratigraphical analyses. Hancock also portrays a misunderstanding of scientific terminology when he uses the phrase "academic opinion"; he thus gives the distinct impression that a theory is simply nothing more than an opinion. Perhaps Hancock needs to take an Archaeology 101 course to refresh his journalistic memory.

His backing of this work, containing data which has either been disproven or which contains false portrayals and interpretations of the factual data remains, reveals an underlying contempt for the workings of the scientific disciplines and the proven principles on which they are based. The human fossil record is well-documented and the question must therefore be asked: if Hancock cannot recognise the fallacies contained in a pseudo-science work about a field so extensively documented, how is it possible for his own work to be based on sound scientific methods and why should he therefore expect both the general public and the academic community to take him seriously.

whirlysplat
Here is an open letter to Hancock and Bauval from Michael J. Brass Lecturer at the University of Capetown. Hancock and Bauval have never replied to.

Dear Mr Robert Bauval and Mr Graham Hancock,
Over the past few months open, critical opposition has erupted between yourselves and me. I am writing this letter in the vein hope of bringing some much needed clarification both to the background of the position I hold and the reasons thereof.

My specialist research area is human evolution. I have no formal qualifications in the archaeological sub-discipline of Egyptology and nor have I claimed so. The knowledge I have concerning Ancient Egypt comes from the books and journal articles I have read, the Egyptologists I am in communication with and the application of archaeological practices and theory from human evolution to Ancient Egypt (which prehistorians like Professor Fred Wendorf and Associate-Professor Andy Smith, amongst others, also do). In 1995 I was informed that a book called "Fingerprints of the Gods" (FOG) had been published. I subsequently purchased it. I was interested in propositions presented that Antarctica had housed the lost civilisation of Atlantis; that certain maps, like the Piri Reis map, were based upon more ancient copies dating back a few thousand years and portray Antarctica free of ice; that the Olmec Heads display African features; that certain architectural features and myths from South America can be dated back to 10 500 BC; that the mammoths died out in a cataclysm around 10 500 BC; that the ice age had continued until around the epoch of 10 500 BC when the earth's crust shifted dramatically; that domesticated grains were found at Wadi Kubbaniya by Professor Fred Wendorf dating back to c. 10 500 BC, which are claimed in FOG to be remnants of a failed experiment in domestication fuelled by Atlantean teachers in the local populations; that the Sphinx dates to 10 500 BC; and that the Giza pyramids represent exactly the belt stars of Orion as they appeared in 10 500 BC.

I subsequently purchased "The Orion Mystery", watched the documentaries featuring yourselves and John West which appeared on the South Africa pay channel M-Net's documentary program, Carte Blanche. I also heard of a published academic response to "The Orion Mystery", published in KMT (1996) by Robert Chadwick, which I obtained a copy of. Referenced was Dr Jaromir Malek's review of "The Orion Mystery", which Dr Malek kindly volunteered to send me a copy of. Upon further investigation, I found Chadwick's article to be fatally flawed in a number of aspects . I settled on publishing my response in the magazine "Quest for Knowledge" because at the time I felt it was the easiest route to make my objections publicly known. In hindsight, I committed a grievous error by doing so and I regret not having chosen my other option of first submitting my article to KMT as a formal response. It is a lesson I learned the hard way: when faced with a choice between a prestigious academic publication and a common magazine, the correct method is to opt for the former (I have gone into this point in greater depth in my article on peer-review journals).

A couple of months after "Quest for Knowledge" published my article in a two-part series, Mr Bauval contacted me via e-mail and requested permission to include my article, either as a whole or in part, in a forthcoming book. This book was meant to be an updated version of "The Orion Mystery" but, for reasons already documented by Mr Bauval, the book evolved instead into "The Secret Chamber". I granted permission, with the proviso that I see the relevant sections prior to publication. As "The Secret Chamber" progressed, the focus of the book changed further to the extent it was no longer feasible to include my article; this was a position I fully understood.

By this time I was heavily into researching ancient Egypt. For this, credit has to go to Mr Hancock for having stimulated my interest, as I am aware he has done for many others. Mr Bauval's work heightened my investigations into ancient symbolism and behaviour, not only with Ancient Egypt but also in regard to human evolution. For these two reasons I will always be grateful in some respects to you two. It is quite ironic, in my opinion, after this closer investigation of the archaeological and astronomical evidence, stimulated by yourselves, that I should land up being one of your most vocal critics.

As I advanced in my archaeological training and research, and from discussions with other professional archaeologists and astronomers, fundamental flaws were revealed in your arguments.

FOG's statements regarding Antarctica, the pole shifts, the ancient maps, the mammoths and South America have been disproved. The arguments raised by Mr Hancock on BBC Horizon regarding his dismissal of radiocarbon dating are spurious at best which reveal a distinct lack of knowledge and research on this particular subject and its application thereof. With regard to FOG, "Keeper of Genesis" and the Carte Blanche documentaries, the Sphinx has no cultural, geological and archaeological context at 10 500 BC when, contrary to FOG and your statements in the Carte Blanche documentaries, the Western Desert was in the tail-ends of an arid phase and did not posses a lush savannah-like environment. FOG contends that grindstones in the western desert were used in processing found domesticated grain, dated to the epoch of 10 500 BC. In this contention FOG relies upon Michael Hoffman's summary in "Egypt Before The Pharaohs" (1979) of Professor Wendorf's published work from the late 1970s at Wadi Kubbaniya. Mr Hancock failed to conduct follow-up research and consequently failed to take note of Professor Fred Wendorf's study published in 1988 entitled "New radiocarbon dates and Late Palaeolithic diet at Wadi Kubbaniya, Egypt". Although the latter study, in which Professor Wendorf reports on his research into his original claims and finds then to be without substance, has now been in the public realm for 13 years and has been pointed out on Mr Hancock's website message board on numerous occasions, I have yet to see Mr Hancock make a public retraction of his statements in FOG. This lack of acknowledgement gives lie to Mr Hancock's claim that if he was ever proven wrong on a subject then he will admit as such in the public realm.

The astronomers Dr EC Krupp and Professor Tony Fairall have raised objections to the strict correlation drawn in "Fingerprints of the Gods", "The Orion Mystery" and "Keeper of Genesis" between the Giza pyramids and the belt stars of Orion. In these books, and in the Carte Blanche documentaries, it was repeatedly stated that only in 10 500 BC do the angles of the Giza Pyramids and the angles of the belt stars of Orion match with exacting precision. As Tony Fairall's examination revealed, together with his response to Mr Bauval's criticisms of the BBC Horizon production, the angles are not an exact match and the discrepancies are significant. Mr Bauval, your critique of Associate-Professor Fairall's arguments have included a statement that the differences in the angles involved are within human eye tolerance levels. As much as you seem to criticise some people, with regard to the precision laying out of the Giza pyramids, as not being qualified in engineering so you are not qualified in astronomy and astronomical calculations for citings for stars and their use in precision layouts of buildings. I passed your comments on to Associate-Professor Fairall who responded that if you are correct in your statement, then the Ancient Egyptians must have had very poor eyesight.

Mr Bauval e-mailed me soon after Professor Fairall's critique was first published and requested qualification on various aspects, as I was in contact with Professor Fairall and was familiar with his criticisms. Despite having provided the requested clarifications on numerous occasions, Professor Fairall's argument was misrepresented in "The Secret Chamber". I note that it was after the publication of Professor Fairall's criticism that the "exact angle" argument ceased to be in usage and it was supplanted by the claim that the discrepancies were "insignificant" and that the real significance lies in the visual symbolic relationship between the Giza pyramids and Orion's Belt, as expressed on BBC Horizon. This change in tract whenever valid criticisms are put forward which rebut Mr Bauval and Mr Hancock's arguments smacks of desperation.

whirlysplat
It is with regret, Mr Bauval, that I note your tactic of slamming each individual who dares to disagree with your ideas and praise for those who support you. I have experienced this shift from when I was sympathetic to your ideas to my opposition, upon closer examination of the evidence. In case you chose to deny this, I have copies of e-mail correspondence between us. Unlike your recent behaviour on Mr Hancock's message board where you posted e-mails from individuals without permission, thereby breaking copyright, I will not include them here. But please note that I will be keeping them on record and should you press me on this matter by denying this point, I give advance warning that I will not hesitate to release some of their content. Mr Bauval, aside from myself you have slated Dr Hawass and Dr Spence, amongst others. Dr Spence has never said anything publicly offensive about you and yet in your article on Mr Hancock's website you have effectively accused her of dishonesty, fraud and falsifying of evidence to suit her "purpose". A quick investigation into your accusations regarding Dr Spence's Nature article on astronomical pyramid alignment reveals them to be baseless: Polak suggested a related method to that used by Dr Spence, but it does not conform to the criteria set out by Dr Spence. It is useful to note that Polak withdrew his suggested method within a year of publication. The method was known before Polak, having been suggested for timekeeping by Gensler at the end of the 19th C and the use of two stars actually seems to be embedded within folk tradition when there is no polar star. The only accessible references to these works are in Zaba which is clearly referenced in the article. Nature does not usually reference obscure Czech journals or books published in the 1880s, which renders your vocal criticism in this regard invalid; it is a point which renders your vocal criticism in this regard invalid. Zaba did not reject the method for the reasons given by yourself, for the rejection came because it would not prove accurate over time and it was a secondary method. Furthermore, references to the Great Pyramid shafts would have been rightly removed from Dr Spence's as unnecessary to the main thrust of her argument, particularly when it is born in mind that not ever Egyptologist accepts that they are star-shafts. You have also been vocal in voicing criticism over Dr Spence's omission of Haack's article, which is a hypocritical stance considering that you never knew about his article, let along mentioned or referenced it in any of your works, before Dr Spence's article was published. The omission was an unfortunate oversight which happens from time to time in the archaeological discipline and usually does not indicate poor research, nor does it in this case. Finally, the gradient line error was unfortunate but the reality is that it does not affect Dr Spence's result: the calculations done should have converted Cos 30 into azimuth. When 0 is divided by Cos 30 you get 0; therefore the basic date does not change, only the gradient of the line which can be accommodated without problems. The published results are therefore not incorrect as you have claimed.

Mr Bauval, you have claimed that Dr E.C. Krupp supports your claim that Dr Spence's work is fatally flawed. Yet, having spoken with Dr Krupp, he has not examined either the Nature article generally or the astromonical calculations behind Dr Spence's results. Your statement, therefore, is a misrepresentation of the facts and you owe the public and Dr Krupp an apology for the misrepresentation. However, I suspect this will not be forthcoming.

I was recently at the University of Cape Town, where I spoke with Professor Tony Fairall, amongst many other academics. Tony produced a production on the astronomy of the Great Pyramid which runs at the Cape Town Planterium, which he heads. At the end of the production he examines the proposed Giza-Orion and Sphinx-Leo correlations, and finds them to be lacking in substance. The production is now showing in planeteriums across the United States; however, the interesting thing is that almost all of the heads of the American planeteriums had never heard of you, Mr Bauval and Mr Hancock. Contrary to your beliefs, both of you are far from being at the centre of archaeology and academia generally has chosen to ignore your cult beliefs. Scientists examine and evaluate the evidence in proper manners and procedures; it is a lesson both of you would do well to learn. Until such time, both of you will continue sitting on the fringe and be rightly regarded as pseudoscientists.

Mr Bauval, despite your vindictive and false portrayals regarding the Pennsylvania State University conference, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all participants in the debate the best of luck - and for them to have a good time at the local bar afterwards together! In other words, leave your professional disagreements behind you at the conference and relax at night.

I am still waiting for Mr Bauval to point out the alleged "personal insults" made in my article "An analysis of the quality of Graham Hancock's science", and I will keeping on about this matter until I receive a public apology for the false allegations and personal insults which have been hurled in my direction.

Mr Bauval, you have also attempted on Mr Hancock's message board to deride my degrees. At the time of writing this letter I do not have a Masters degree in archaeology, for the simple reason that I have taken two years off degree studying to do my own archaeological studies and to earn money on the side in IT. Make no mistake, I will be returning to university to complete my studies. You appear to be of the opinion that as you have written two best-selling books that means only professors who have had years of archaeological experience and many journal articles behind them are qualified in opposing you, and those who do not have Masters and Doctorate degrees are insignificant. In this you are sadly mistaken and again show a distinct lack of understanding of the functioning of the archaeological profession. For example, one of the foremost rock art researchers in southern Africa is Royden Yates, with whom I have had an acquaintance. Royden is currently employed at the South African Museum and is also extensively involved in the important Blombos Cave project run jointly by Dr Chris Henshilwood (University of Cape Town and the SA Museum) and Associate-Professor Judy Sealy (University of Cape Town). According to the criteria you have set, Royden is not qualified to critique your work if he so choose to. I am afraid on this particular ploy of yours, you are very much incorrect. I have never belittled your engineering degrees and experience, and have never called you any names in public on Mr Hancock's message board; therefore I request a public apology for the personally attacks, name calling and false allegations you have deliberately brought against me.

In December 1997 I was helping with the excavation at the South African West Coast site of Dune Field Midden. Professor John Parkington introduced a group of us to a farmer and restaurant owner about 45 minutes drive away. The farmer/restaurant owner showed us around his grounds, which contained Oldowan stone tools, raw material rock sources and even worn groves in the boulders where it is postulated that australopithecines sat. The guy has no formal training in any form in archaeology. But he has a deep fascination and healthy respect for our hominin past, and he has taken every precaution to preserve his material in situ. He has also educated himself and his scientific knowledge and know-how is phenomenal, and is a credit to him. He understands how science functions. It is a lesson and example many people outside the archaeological discipline would do well to follow.

There is an old saying: if you have got nothing to contribute, don't say anything. Here's another saying: novels sell. Now if you will excuse me, I need to return to the rock art and strontium isotope research which currently occupies my time.

Yours sincerely,
Michael J. Brass,
Archaeology BSocSc(Hons), University of Cape Town.



Excellent research my anus!!!!!!!big grin

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