Human Torch VS Spider-Man
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shaolin9976
Human Torch decided to steal Mary Jane from Spidey!!
Spidey is not going to take his crap!!
Who wins?
shaolin9976
Seriously...this was a bad matchup...Spider-Man would kill human torch in a minute...see ya!
DarkCrawler
Other way around...
DigiMark007
The webs would burn and Torch can fly awful fast. Maybe Spidey would get a hit or two in before burning up completely, so they'd both end up really messed up.
shaolin9976
If that's the case then Spider-Man should have been dead long time ago..all of his enemies seems more powerful than him...like Electro, Venom, Carnage, etc...but one thing they don't have is brains...and that my friend is the reason why human torch will lose.
CorderaMitchell
I think spidey has the cunning to take Torch, but torch has the advantages, whenever they team up, Spidey usually Bails Torch out, but if Johnny is serious who knows. And if spiderman is serious.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I say even at the moment, more on this later.
True Sinister
Torch not only is he more powerful he is one of the first marvel heroes
CorderaMitchell
HEs not cunning, or resourseful, or good up close either, many characters that are slower and weaker than spiderman, have given the torch trouble...
shaolin9976
Torch is not stronger than Spider-Man...They are even...Here are the official Marvel Power Sheet:
Human Torch
INT = 2
STR = 2
SPD = 5
DUR = 2
ENG = 5
FSK = 3
TOT = 19
SPIDEY
INT = 4
STR = 4
SPD = 3
DUR = 3
ENG = 1
FSK = 4
TOT = 19
Scoobless
Originally posted by True Sinister
Torch not only is he more powerful he is one of the first marvel heroes
This is Johhny Storm Torch... not android (Hammond?) Torch
Hulk Power
I think that Human Torch would win.
Zenoside
You think Spiderman is enough of an idiot to take torch head on?
Anyway, he could always use those anti-fire web shooters he has laying around somewhere.
Im pretty sure Peter would outsmart Torch in this fight.
Battle winner= Spiderman through intelligence.
shaolin9976
Yeah that's right...Johnny Storm...check out Marvel Encyclopedia...see it for yourself!
CorderaMitchell
Spiderman simply looks like he has the extreme disadvantage, but he's taken out guys like this times before, I still think its on who's serious, and how long spidey can keep torch on his terms....
shaolin9976
Zenoside couldn't be any right!!
DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Scoobless
This is Johhny Storm Torch... not android (Hammond?) Torch
No, but FF was perhaps the first Marvel superteam ever. He made his debute in 1961.
CorderaMitchell
Do you mean any more right?
Max Spidey 24
Spideys web trapped the Torch before so hes screwed
shaolin9976
yeah...my bad...any more right!!
CorderaMitchell
Spiderman naturally could beat Torch if he doesn't take it seriously, but torch fighting on his toes could give the webhead trouble, but so could an angry spidey, spiderman takes advantage of the opponents offensive.
Human torch definitely has the maneuverability advantage, too bad he's not strategical enough.
Zenoside
It would be hard to fight torch out in the open skies of NYC. However, I think Spidey would be smart enough to head into the alleyways and lead him into a trap. You could always resort to the sewers, where water is everywhere.
I think I've seen Spidey put torch out using a water tower before, not sure if I remeber it correctly.
CorderaMitchell
Yea Torch could win easierwith more strategy, but he doesn't use very much of it.
28Dave37
human torch say he knew he was gonna fight spidey, i think he would be serious and have some sort of strat Torch takes it.
CorderaMitchell
An instant strategy doesn't sound like him, more like spidey.
jrodslam
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
An instant strategy doesn't sound like him, more like spidey.
True.
thundercracker
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
An instant strategy doesn't sound like him, more like spidey.
but if there going 4 the kill wouldnt 1 nova blast end this ? yes it would
jrodslam
Doesnt it take a few seconds for Torch to go nova?
And if he misses, isnt he totaly drained after?
I dont think he'll risk it against Spiderman.
CorderaMitchell
Wait this is to the death by means of the title, if thats the case of spidey being pissed off and torch isn't spiderman wins, he could down him with a 15 ton punch.
Torch attempted to use missle type projectiles and spiderman reflected them with his webbing, so I'm guesssing the same will happen here, besides spiderman usually saves torches butt when they team up (from the start) and slower and weaker villans have given torch trouble, and spiderman had a good showing against the FF already.
Normal:5/6/ , Beserk:8 out of 10
thundercracker
i dunno man im still backing torch i got issue 8 of ff from heroes reborn i think its 8 ill check later where on an alternate earth jhonny let out 1 nova blast with enough power 2 vaporise a city block while his power was increased at the time if he was anywhere near spidey hed fry him in one go an the moment spidey got close itd b over imo torch has complete control ... most of the time i just cant see spidey winning unless he got jonny by surprise
Arahan
Spidey and Johnny fought in a some kind of fun fight. Spidey dodged his attacks easily and trapped hin into a water tank. Flame out. Torch out.
Spidey wins definately= Powers + Strategy
CorderaMitchell
Spidey's pissed a good hit could put sand on torches flames.
Johhny needs strategy, something Reed does for him.
K3VIL
Depends on where they fight and on prep time.
Spider-Man with prep time on his side will come in with fireproof webs or some chemical substance to weak the Torch and his powers.
Without prep time, anyone remembers their first meeting?
Spidey entered in the Four Freedom Plaza and battled the FF4, the Torch was flying around him surrounding the room of flames, then throwed fireballs at him, Spidey created a baseball bat made of web and parried some of them, then climbed on the roof, Torch was annoying to fight with him, and shooted at the piece of roof where Spidey was stucked, making it falling on the ground and surrounding it with more flames, Spidey was getting screwed and Torch wasn't even taking it serious.
CorderaMitchell
In that first meeting however he kept the thing,invisible woman, and mr. fantastic down showing how he thinks on his feet, and how he takes on odds like this often.
When spidy and torch teamed up against Kravens son, a strong but non flyer type, johnny rushed in foolishly and was hammered, its kind of his fight approach.
28Dave37
you dont miss witha a super nova it kills all.
CorderaMitchell
This is similar to the storm vs. spiderman thread, it would take him too much time to gather up and generate to be an effective tactic.
He wouldn't use that around an area to kill spiderman, he's a hero.
The MISTER
Also Spidey has saved himself from being fried before by making a large shield of webbing. He can whip up a large one really quickly so it depends on how much time it takes the Torch to go nova. Even if he can do it quickly he needs to be able to do it almost instantaneously, cause an attack that powerful and dangerous would set the spider-sense off like an alarm. After a failed nova attack he's useless and he knows it.
Plus with the major weakness of being able to have his flame snuffed in many different ways I'd say that Spidey has a good shot.
It depends a whole lot on where they're fighting.
CorderaMitchell
Environment,baby.
Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by shaolin9976
Torch is not stronger than Spider-Man...They are even...Here are the official Marvel Power Sheet:
Human Torch
INT = 2
STR = 2
SPD = 5
DUR = 2
ENG = 5
FSK = 3
TOT = 19
SPIDEY
INT = 4
STR = 4
SPD = 3
DUR = 3
ENG = 1
FSK = 4
TOT = 19
Notice that the Human Torch can exceed Mach 15, and achieve speeds greater than escape velocity in flight. Remember that he can output enough heat to incinerate Spiderman.
Is there really any comparison?
CorderaMitchell
Yes I say about even but torch doesn't use his powers wholeheartedly and wisely, like spiderman does at like 20% effort.
That and the fact that spiderman has backed him many times, and humiliated him before, leads me to believe that if he's pissed he would ko Torch in Torch's calm, iceman manner. Beside's spidey would outsmart him, and get torch to fight on his terms. then taking advantaage of the offensive.
brainchild81
Spidey's used special webbing to put him out before, he'd do it again. Spidey's really good @ stuff like that.
CorderaMitchell
Well he did reflect torch's missle attacks before right??
willRules
Don't get me wrong cos I'm a huge spiderman fan but I think the Torch takes this at least 7/10
The Torch could just fly up high and go Nova. He wouldn't need a direct hit, he could still just burn him up. However If Spidey was quick and smart enough (which he can be) He could win this.
CorderaMitchell
I see that, I think torch has the superior advantage as far as damage and flight goes, I just don't think spiderman wold allow himself to be thwarted only by flight, its not his first fighting enemy you know.
Like I said, it depends on the attitudes. Spiderman is pissed by the thread rules, and Torch isn't. He wouldn't get the chance to summon a Nova, but it is time costly, and would leave him drained, while the farther he flyss away, the lesser chance of the nova has of hitting. By means of hiding place .However, torch can put up great feats, he just doesnt think thiem up often, and gets owned at times by opponents that are slower.
CorderaMitchell
anyone else have a point of view?
thundercracker
i really dont know why ppl keep saying nova is costley time wise i have an issue that says "in a blink of an eye the boy releases his nova flame stopping any and all incoming attacks" i see it could go either way but torch should win imo
CorderaMitchell
It would take time for it to generate, and would wear him out, a costly move.
who?-kid
Torch is considered one of the less intelligent fighters, and is basically - sorry Torch lovers everywhere - a one trick pony. Without his fire, he's nothing.
Granted, one could say the same of SM, but he has at least his willpower and his intelligence.
And SM beats Torch 8/10. I'm pretty sure SM can annoy Torch so much, that it'll be only a matter of seconds that Torch can't think straight anymore.
CorderaMitchell
Spidey has more cunning , and the Torch isn't exactly Mr. Strategic, but he could cause more damage, no doubt, nothing spidey hasn't dealt with before, but seriously I don't see torch wisely using his powers on a guy who takes advantage of the offensive.
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