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Heaven or Hell?

Although I just think they go to the Netherworld (a peaceful place where all the deceased go when they pass, unless they come back as ghosts)

Does the bible say where they go?

dont think they believe animals to have souls

Its not clear where they go. But there was a boy who had a near death experience I read about and said that there were two heavens....He went to the animal heaven first and said he talked to a bee there. That was were the animals were, then he went to the people heaven....Everyone seems to have a different experience...I do believe they go somewhere....don't know.

what drug prescription was the boy under

I thought it sounded strange too.

yeah I hope he didnt go and call the bee honey and the likes

He did spend a lot of time with the bee though....He wanted to go to animal heaven first...wanted to see what it is like....I don't think there are two heavens.

bee have(n)

Ha hahahahaha...

You have to Bee good in Bee have(n).....

buzzing around bee what you can bee

Bees Beelieve in bee heaven.

yeah and the trinity with zod jezuz and the honey gozt

Originally posted by finti
honey gozt






He's sweet...that honey gozt.....I spread him on toast.

sweet as in Norwegian?

Only if he;s smooth enough for toast.....then I'll become a beeliever.

toasteez to bee

Where should they go........dead animals can't walk so they will basically just stay were they are and rot a lot.......

Oh yes and I can bee-lieve you are talking aboot bee-ing in bee-heaven.....

^ Only when you mis bee-have.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Its not clear where they go. But there was a boy who had a near death experience I read about and said that there were two heavens....He went to the animal heaven first and said he talked to a bee there. That was were the animals were, then he went to the people heaven....Everyone seems to have a different experience...I do believe they go somewhere....don't know.

Was he high before he almost died?

No...he was a little boy....But, I think heaven can be a place of great fantasy from the many types of experiences of near deathers.

I think animals do go somewhere,assuming their is a God.Christians mainly belive animals don't go anywhere,but this is due to the fact that Christianity had a huge split from nature because it was too Pagan.If women where seen hanging around too many trees they would be accused of Witch craft and killed.If cats or dogs seemed to hang around women too much they where a Witches familar and a lady would be killed for it.Their's even pictures depicting christians cutting trees down that supposedly had evil spririts within them.With all that be

They were increadibly stupid.

It's crazy.

And why would God ever make a souless creature?Seems like a waste of energy.

i think ive heard that the Bible says animals came from the ground so they shall return to the ground, so it kinda means they have no soul kinda like plants and when they die they go back into the ground from where they came

Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return Genesis 3 19

We're all dirty...

dirty minded at least

Some people are just dirtier than others....

yeah hillbillies

animals and plants do have sols

My dad goes out of his body sometimes durring the night. it is called a obe out of body experiance. He has seen an unintelligent spirit like one from an animal.

why dont you use the edit button, no need for double postings during such a short time span

Originally posted by XxoooxX
My dad goes out of his body sometimes durring the night. it is called a obe out of body experiance. He has seen an unintelligent spirit like one from an animal.

I here some people can dp that. Maybe Ill try it.

how do one know if the spirit is unintelligent?

It's mute and has a confused look in it's eyes.

just like Dubya then

No...Only when your intimate with it.

hmm, wouldnt be confused look then

It would if it was an owl.

much sense behind an Owls eyes

Maybe you can take it to owl heaven.

I believe that all life is the same. If I have a soul then my cat has one. If I die, I live again and so does my cat.

hopefully you dont live again as the same thing

I've heard dogs have auras...

dogs have nerve

Originally posted by finti
hopefully you dont live again as the same thing

I believe that we return as what we were before, because what we are now is determined by what kind of entity we have. In other words, my cat has a cat entity and therefore will always be a cat. We have always been human because we have a human entity. Now, 100 million years ago humans where not on the Earth, however there was a small animal that became us, so our entity has changed over time.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I believe that we return as what we were before, because what we are now is determined by what kind of entity we have. In other words, my cat has a cat entity and therefore will always be a cat. We have always been human because we have a human entity. Now, 100 million years ago humans where not on the Earth, however there was a small animal that became us, so our entity has changed over time.

I don't belive that, all spirits can advance. Even ants can get smarter learn more. They can even get as smart as you. There is no shape to spirits unless you wan't a shape.

Originally posted by XxoooxX
I don't belive that, all spirits can advance. Even ants can get smarter learn more. They can even get as smart as you. There is no shape to spirits unless you wan't a shape.

Entity's do change and grow over time. However, an entity is not a spirit. A spirit is individual an entity is not.

An entity could also be called a collective conciseness.

I've always felt a spirit is part of an entity.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I've always felt a spirit is part of an entity.

In a way you are correct and in a way not. The spirit is the individual and we are the incarnation of our entity. However, I really don't know, this is just my view, you maybe right.

Christ's kingdom will have many animals in it and so will the new heaves and earth.

it is really hard to explain this because, the bible didn't say if a animal has a spirit or not. but when God created Adam he breathed through his nostrils and Adam was alive. the animals probably do but not the same as humans. a person can't live without the spirit, they would lay there dead. in Ezekiel it talks about how God raised an army from the dead and how they were a body without a spirit and God told him to tell the winds to breath into them and so he did and the armies were raised up. animals don't have a conscience but instinct. when they die they die when humans die they have a choice because we have a conscious and that is why God put humans as the crown creation because of freedom of choice. it clearly says that in genesis.

However,science has proven that apes are also self aware just as humans are.Now whether or not they realize others are self aware I don't know.I also watched a show on Elephants that showed even they mourn for their dead,which was just amazing.

most animals do, but not all. even God said in Job that when an ostrich lays her eggs, another animal may come along and crush it and the ostrich wouldn't care.

Not all animals care for their young,but the same can be said for humans as well.

true

My kitty was recently put down

I'm sure she's in kitty heaven having a great time

Animals must have spirits. I've read plenty of stories about ghost cats.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Animals must have spirits. I've read plenty of stories about ghost cats.

I have read plenty of stories aboot Vampires, Aliens, Living Dead, Werewolves, Gods.............doesn'T mean theys have to be true....

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Heaven or Hell?

Although I just think they go to the Netherworld (a peaceful place where all the deceased go when they pass, unless they come back as ghosts)

Does the bible say where they go? Same place we do, only difference is people are buried most animals just rot or are eaten by other animals. If we go anywhere it will be after jesus comes back.

I have heard that some animals can sense spirits....

I wouldn't mind sensing a spirit....

come back???? didnt know he was gone

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have read plenty of stories aboot Vampires, Aliens, Living Dead, Werewolves, Gods.............doesn'T mean theys have to be true....

But I believe in ghosts. I've had my own paranormal experiences, and they're proof enough for me!

Originally posted by BlackC@t
But I believe in ghosts. I've had my own paranormal experiences, and they're proof enough for me!

Many people have had paranormal experiences...I've had one of my own...only once...and that was enough for me.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
But I believe in ghosts. I've had my own paranormal experiences, and they're proof enough for me!

Well yes but even if you believe in Ghosts you don't have to believe in every stories aboot ghosts...if you had a paranormal experience with an animal well okm then I understand why you believe it.....for me will have to say you just smoked to much weed.....

what you watched ghostbusters?

Ah! Finti, the forum smart-ass!

i think this is it

here...........

here.

there is no animal heaven

Are you sure?

guess dubya is ****ed then

Originally posted by debbiejo


Are you sure? You can lick me if you want to.

nah I pass, now where is Lassie when you need him

I was talking to Debbiejo

Whether I think there is an animal heaven or not doesn't mean I'M A DOG...

And as far as the after life...I feel it is probably something completely different then what we think...Probably has many dimensions to it and through our powerful minds, we can create what we want to experience, or possible desire...just like the boy did in animal heaven...Talking to a bee.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't men to oddend you or anyone.

OH...all in fun..

I was just joking with you.

Mister 2.0

i personally think they go to heaven.

Originally posted by finti
dont think they believe animals to have souls
Animals have souls alright, their souls are probably left to wander space as they please. Or they just go to heaven with us i suppose.

I knew heaven was full of poop

Originally posted by finti
I knew heaven was full of poop

NO.....no solids there.....It's spiritual....

always said spiritual was crap

Sounds sooooooooooo nasty......OH....but there is music there....I think Deep Purple is playing in the Christian chat room too......It's BYO though...bring your own.....

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Animals have souls alright, their souls are probably left to wander space as they please. Or they just go to heaven with us i suppose. That's why we see animals in the constellations.

And harps....and mass....and no pot lucks.......

ok how, and we need sustancial proof, not because you hav prayed and dreamed it , proof!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Heaven or Hell?

Although I just think they go to the Netherworld (a peaceful place where all the deceased go when they pass, unless they come back as ghosts)

Does the bible say where they go?

Animals don't have souls... They just die.

yes, very true.

Animals are part of what we all are...they have the same energy...and leave this earth intering into some other place just as we do....It's just a change in location and form.

Bee-lieve me.....But they must Beehave to be in Bee-(have)n...where all the beez are buzy with honey on toast.

sounds like a new age belief, from what new age beliefs I have been reading.

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
Animals don't have souls... They just die.

You are a animal, this is a fact. To say you are better than God's creation is an insult to yourself. You were also created by God just the same as my cat. To say that you are better is to be less.

Originally posted by finti
ok how, and we need sustancial proof, not because you hav prayed and dreamed it , proof!!!!!!!! Would you like him to take a poloroid picture of it? Every body wants proof of something when there is no proof of anything.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Animals are part of what we all are...they have the same energy...and leave this earth intering into some other place just as we do....It's just a change in location and form.

Bee-lieve me.....But they must Beehave to be in Bee-(have)n...where all the beez are buzy with honey on toast. I have been talking to some guy who thinks he's an elf from the planet elvirion on another message board and I was wondering if you're an elf too. Only difference is this guy thinks he's a christian. oh I just remembered the elves are christians too so you're probably not one of those, maybe a fae or a grey or something.

Originally posted by cking
sounds like a new age belief, from what new age beliefs I have been reading. 752 pixels - 2.2MB
www.lost-telemetry.com/ you will be assimulated. Wrong show, I don't think the borg were in star wars.

what are you talking about?

Animals go to animals heaven, where they can live with peace and joy forever !

Originally posted by cking
what are you talking about? I was responding to debbiejos post. I think she reads too much without thinking.

better to read too much without thinking than speak write without thinking

Originally posted by markie
I was responding to debbiejos post. I think she reads too much without thinking.

Are you insulting me?....cause if so, you have no idea what I've read or what I think, or when I'm joking around.