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I know this is considered to be a topic long worn out. But I would like to go on threads and make legitimate arguments why neither Palpatine nor Yoda are truly greater than the other - and why Palpatine nor Yoda got owned. Several people are extraordinarily biased, and some have no proof to support their ideas.

Others - such as Nai Fohl - are also biased - but have relative support of their ideas. But not for all of them.

Now. This is NOT in JUST direct combat. I would clearly like to see who is superior. I will make this clear now. Palpatine is not as great as Yoda is in combat with lightsabers. Simply because Palpatine is younger than Yoda, less-experienced, and mainly operates through his powerful connection with the Force.

This versus thread requires more than combat. Yoda-fans bash Palpatine-fans and make threads that engage the two in combat. Simply because they know that eventually Yoda would win. Well, I'm evening the playing field. This tests the following:

Combat Skills:

Intelligence:

Wisdom:

Force-Connection:

Defensive Force Powers:

Offensive Force Powers:

Forsight:

Awareness:

Tactical Ability:

Agility:

Strength:

Experience:

Overall:

Combat skills: Yoda, come on people Yoda would never allow himself to be defeated. He lost his lightsaber which was a huge mistake on his part, but if you look at the circumstances I can understand that.

Intelligence: Equal... Yoda is far wiser but Palpatine is a great politician and manipulator. It depends on what you are looking for

Force-Connection: Palpatine, he learned a lot in less time. However Yoda was more powerful in the force.

Tactical Ability: Yoda, Palpatine was not a tactician. He was a fool in that aspect otherwise he would have actually used army's to fight instead of back stab each other.

Agility: Yoda, just look at him fly.

Strength: Physical strength I assume? Then obviously Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda 900 years against 70? Who's going to win. Besides Yoda fought a lot more.

Overall: I'd say Yoda.

Whoops. That reminds me. Gotta add three more categories:

Wisdom:

Defensive Force Powers:

Offensive Force Powers:

Wisdom: Yoda

Defensive force powers: Yoda

Offensive force powers: Palpatine

Yeah, lol, you keep reminding me to put in categories I've stumbled over. Lol, stand by!

Combat Skills: Yoda. They're about even - but Yoda, I'd have to say.

Intelligence: Palpatine. Academically, he's more proficient, I'd say.

Wisdom: Yoda.

Force-Connection: Hmmm...tie.

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda.

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine.

Forsight: Palpatine

Awareness: Yoda

Tactical Ability: From my perspective, a tie.

Agility: Yoda.

Strength: Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda.

Overall: Yoda - but not by a mile. A few centimeters at best.

Sidious already won, bucko.

We are not talking about who won we are talking about who is more powerful

Combat Skills:yoda he does like 20 flips in three secounds

Intelligence: Palpatine i wouldsay yoda but he can't speak in proper grammer

Wisdom: palpatine he sacrificed dokku and stuff for brilliant plan that requires wisdom

Force-Connection: palpatine he won vs yoda in a one on one fight simple

Defensive Force Powers:impossible to tell. no one used lighting on palpitine so we can't really tell if palpitine can deflect it and a great offense is a good defense mace wendu couldn't slice palpatine when he was using lightning

Offensive Force Powers: palpatine obiuosly lightning

Forsight: palpatine

Awareness: palpatine, yoda was unaware that anackin would turn completly dark

Tactical Ability: palpatine, he had the whole attack planed out, the betrayel with the clones, turning anackin dark, and the making of the death star

Agility:yoda, but only for short busts i mean he walks with a walking stick
Strength: palpitine, he is bigger and obiuosly stronger... well i shouldn't say bigger i should say less small
Experience:yoda older
Overall: palpatine he is overall way better, yoda lost a duel to palpatine" failed i have, go in to exile i must"

Combat Skills: Yoda. He is just an insane fighter who could outspar anyone.

Intelligence: I'd say that this 1 is a tie.

Wisdom: Yoda by a long shot.

Force-Connection: Tie.

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda.

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine is far superior in this department.

Forsight: Palpatine

Awareness: Yoda

Tactical Ability: Yoda, he's a full on bad-ass green general.

Agility: Yoda.

Strength: Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda.

Overall: Yoda. Kicked Palpatines ass i have.

No. Yoda didn't kick Palpatine's ass or vice versa.

Well when they fought, it clearly seemed they were even through the whole duel. If anything Yoda over powers sidious in the end but he feels the effect of the blast too.

It seemed to me that Palpatine ran originally because he didn't think he could face Yoda. Remember. Palpatine just gained control of the galaxy. His goal. So why fight a powerful and revered Jedi Master if you can just escape? He had everything left to lose. So he ran. Yoda stopped him. So they fought. Yoda was on the offensive - Palpatine on the defensive. Yoda SEEMED to be the superior duelist. But Palpatine kept up with him, move for move. Realizing that they were at a stalemate, Palpatine then tried to get away from Yoda to used long-distance attacks against him. Yoda managed to barely dodge these. Then Palpatine and Yoda were fighting over control of the lightning. It was a battle of wills. Yoda managed to throw it back at lightning - but it ended up helping Palpatine instead of hurting him. Yoda was flung like a pebble. And he ran because he KNEW he couldn't defeat Palpatine. He lost his chance.

I like how you thaught of it Darth somebody

palpitine > yoda
i can't bieleve that some people here even think that yoda is stronger he doesn't even come close

How could you say Yoda didnt even come close? Yoda and Sidious were even the whole duel, no body had the upperhand. In the end it looked like Yoda was overpowered and then Yoda overpowered Sidious, resulting in sending Sidious very far up and bearly nocking Yoda over the edge.

i should say they are both equal in all they are quite possibly the best dulers with a lightsaber before NJO LUKE