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"The United States has been criticized for spending only about 0.16 percent of its national income on non-military assistance abroad while the European Union has pledged to reach the U.N. target of 0.7 percent of its income by 2015."

George W. Bush's international aid chief, says the US is giving enough money already to the ailing rest of the world:

"If we ever reached 0.7 percent, we would be the dominant force in all aid" and be accused of "imperial development," said Andrew Natsios, administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

He said that 0.7 percent would amount to $91 billion and added: "We couldn't spend $91 billion if we wanted to."


oh, is that so?
http://costofwar.com/

Originally posted by PVS
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27287778.htm

"The United States has been criticized for spending only about 0.16 percent of its national income on non-military assistance abroad while the European Union has pledged to reach the U.N. target of 0.7 percent of its income by 2015."

George W. Bush's international aid chief, says the US is giving enough money already to the ailing rest of the world:

"If we ever reached 0.7 percent, we would be the dominant force in all aid" and be accused of "imperial development," said Andrew Natsios, administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

He said that 0.7 percent would amount to $91 billion and added: "We couldn't spend $91 billion if we wanted to."


oh, is that so?
http://costofwar.com/

I agree with the President on that one. The US gives more in non-military aid than any other nation.

Natsios' comment was either taken out of context or he quite badly misspoke. I think it's time for Bush to declare a gag order for his whole cabinet. No, strike that. It sure is entertaining to read all of the quotes you post.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
I agree with the President on that one. The US gives more in non-military aid than any other nation.

Oh really? To whom, i wonder.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh really? To whom, i wonder.

This is old data (2001-2002, I believe).

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/42/30/1860571.gif

And this is how we stack up against the rest of the world.

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp?so=d2004#oda

The Latin America one is not accurate. Clinton and Bush administration gave tons of money to ''stop the coca production'' and ''to educate farmers' but instead 80% went on military.

Those might be intended for non-military, but majoirty are used for military purposes.

It's not the quanity, Ozzy, it's the effort. Almost everyone else on that list is giving more of a percentage of their income compared to the United States. Some of them are giving .76 percent while were giving .16.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The Latin America one is not accurate. Clinton and Bush administration gave tons of money to ''stop the coca production'' and ''to educate farmers' but instead 80% went on military.

Those might be intended for non-military, but majoirty are used for military purposes.

Link? Source?

Originally posted by HimoKun
It's not the quanity, Ozzy, it's the effort. Almost everyone else on that list is giving more of a percentage of their income compared to the United States. Some of them are giving .76 percent while were giving .16.

I disagree. We give more than double than Japan behind us based on that chart. It is about the quantity. If we gave .76% of our GDP, we'd be giving more than all other nations combined, but our quality of living would suffer greatly.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
I disagree. We give more than double than Japan behind us based on that chart. It is about the quantity. If we gave .76% of our GDP, we'd be giving more than all other nations combined, but our quality of living would suffer greatly.

How so?

The US gives about 19
Holland number 6 on that list gives 4.235
Holland has 17 million inhabitants, the US has at least 280 million not sure about the real number to lazy to look it up. But lets say 280. Thats about 16.4 times as much.

4.235*16.4=69.454

In conclusion Holland gives 3.6 times as much as the US does... Stop complaining you don't give away that much.

Hell after a quick glance it seems like the Netherlands gives more money then anybody else on average per citizen, what the hell are you complaining about?

Originally posted by Fishy
How so?

The US gives about 19
Holland number 6 on that list gives 4.235
Holland has 17 million inhabitants, the US has at least 280 million not sure about the real number to lazy to look it up. But lets say 280. Thats about 16.4 times as much.

4.235*16.4=69.454

In conclusion Holland gives 3.6 times as much as the US does... Stop complaining you don't give away that much.

Hell after a quick glance it seems like the Netherlands gives more money then anybody else on average per citizen, what the hell are you complaining about?


What are you getting so defensive about? Your conclusion is wrong. The US gives 18.9 billion in foreign aid a year. The Netherlands gives 4.235 billion. How is that 3.6 times more? And Norway gives .87 of its GNP. How is the Netherlands giving more than anybody? Besides, the US has increased its contribution every year. The chart shows the Netherlands has dropped.

The US gives plenty of money to the rest of the world.

"gives more money then anybody else on average per citizen"

Did you just forget to read that part, and okay apparently Norway gives more...

As long as it's entertaining, I don't care how much it costs.

Its the % that really show what a country is willing to give, not the quantity, thats nonsence saying that, i dont care but it is

Originally posted by Fishy
"gives more money then anybody else on average per citizen"

Did you just forget to read that part, and okay apparently Norway gives more...

Read your quote again.

In conclusion Holland gives 3.6 times as much as the US does...

nowhere in that line did you say "per citizen.

But I understand where you are coming now. But if the US gives .76 of its GNP, it would dwarf the rest of the world. Even with percentages, the US gives more than double the next closest nation. Does the percentage really matter to the people receiving it, or is the whole dollar amount important. Would you rather receive 18.9 billion a year that's a .16% or 4.235 billion that's .76%. I'll take the larger of the two anyday.

just tossing this out as a side note if you want some good info read the book "End of Faith" I think it's by Sam Davis or something, it shows the cost of war very well.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Read your quote again.

In conclusion Holland gives 3.6 times as much as the US does...

nowhere in that line did you say "per citizen.

But I understand where you are coming now. But if the US gives .76 of its GNP, it would dwarf the rest of the world. Even with percentages, the US gives more than double the next closest nation. Does the percentage really matter to the people receiving it, or is the whole dollar amount important. Would you rather receive 18.9 billion a year that's a .16% or 4.235 billion that's .76%. I'll take the larger of the two anyday.

Of course I would rather receive more..

But don't claim the US should not give more money because it already gives enough. Other country's give a lot more on average then the US does, so really even if the US gives more in total then the rest it isn't really paying all that much.

A child giving a 100 dollars to charity is really great because its a lot of money for most children. A fully grown adult that happens to be the director of a multi million dollar company giving a 150 dollars is absolutely nothing and quite cheap actually.

The director is an ass and the child is a great kid when looking at charity only, the US can give more but refuses to do so. How does that make them better then the other country's that give what they can give? Or at least more then the US.

Originally posted by Fishy
Of course I would rather receive more..

But don't claim the US should not give more money because it already gives enough. Other country's give a lot more on average then the US does, so really even if the US gives more in total then the rest it isn't really paying all that much.

A child giving a 100 dollars to charity is really great because its a lot of money for most children. A fully grown adult that happens to be the director of a multi million dollar company giving a 150 dollars is absolutely nothing and quite cheap actually.

The director is an ass and the child is a great kid when looking at charity only, the US can give more but refuses to do so. How does that make them better then the other country's that give what they can give? Or at least more then the US.

I agree with your logic, but in the end it's the whole dollar amount that matters. I really don't think the US should give any more. To talk about being cheap, I would need to bring up the almost trillion dollar debt the US is owed by other countries in the world among other things.

LOL. It absolutely does not make the US better than a country giving $280 million, but it doesn't make us any worse. If at .7% the European Union were to be giving away $91 billion a year or anything close it, they have the right to criticize. They don't.

Each citizen here loses more money then each citizen in the US does becuase of charity, really US citizens have no right to complain about giving away so much money. Its all bull

Originally posted by Fishy
Each citizen here loses more money then each citizen in the US does becuase of charity, really US citizens have no right to complain about giving away so much money. Its all bull

Why not? When did it become my responsibility to support the rest of the world? When did it become yours? I have no problem contributing to lesser countries, but I should not be criticized from the amount I give. A handout is a jandout and beggars can't be choosers.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Why not? When did it become my responsibility to support the rest of the world? When did it become yours? I have no problem contributing to lesser countries, but I should not be criticized from the amount I give. A handout is a jandout and beggars can't be choosers.

That you give something is nice, but when Americans start complaining they give to much they should look at the facts, they don't give all that much compared to other country's. So why the hell should we care about that? If they would give more then others I would agree, but right now I just can not and will not.

Originally posted by Fishy
That you give something is nice, but when Americans start complaining they give to much they should look at the facts, they don't give all that much compared to other country's. So why the hell should we care about that? If they would give more then others I would agree, but right now I just can not and will not.

But all you're looking at is the GNP percentages. You're not even considering the whole dollar amount. We DO give more than others when compared with other countries, it's just a smaller percentage of OUR whole pie. The chart says it all. I will also mention the philanthropy of US corporations such as Microsoft which has pledged $100 billion to various charities and causes around the world Those donations are not counted in the amount the US contributes. It's not really the pissing contest you're trying to make it out to be.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
But all you're looking at is the GNP percentages. You're not even considering the whole dollar amount. We DO give more than others when compared with other countries, it's just a smaller percentage of OUR whole pie. The chart says it all. I will also mention the philanthropy of US corporations such as Microsoft which has pledged $100 billion to various charities and causes around the world Those donations are not counted in the amount the US contributes. It's not really the pissing contest you're trying to make it out to be.

Company's here aren't counted either now are they?

And again. 50 dollars for a normal kid is a lot of money, 150 dollars for a rich bussines man is absolutely nothing. The bussines man may give a 100 dollars more to charity, but I would appreciate the contribution of the child a lot more. At least he wants to give something, the rich bussinesman just wants to get rid of the charity organisation.

Originally posted by Fishy
Company's here aren't counted either now are they?

And again. 50 dollars for a normal kid is a lot of money, 150 dollars for a rich bussines man is absolutely nothing. The bussines man may give a 100 dollars more to charity, but I would appreciate the contribution of the child a lot more. At least he wants to give something, the rich bussinesman just wants to get rid of the charity organisation.

I believe US companies add an additional $34 billion to the total. How much do your businesses contribute? So, now the US is up to $52 billion a year, more than double all of the other countries combined. And for reference, that significantly increases the percentage per capita that the US contributes each year.

I am not complaining about the amount of money that the US contributes to the rest of the world. I am complaining about the criticism leveled at my country.

You would have alot more credibility if you would just once agree that the US gives more money in foreign aid than other countries in the world.

They do in total... Not per citizen, and I don't know how much the company's here give. Per Citizen maybe more maybe less. I don't know or care about that really.

And I'm not criticising the US... Just the people that say they pay to much, when you look at it compared to other country's its not all that much anymore. The one's with money and more people will always give more then others, but that doesn't mean they give more per citizen.

Its very simple to me, if any country spends more money on foreign aid per citizen then the US does then they have more rights to complain about the money they spend on foreign aid then US citizens do. Surprisingly enough however I have never seen a Non American complain about it. Or at least not as much as Americans are. It just annoys me.

Originally posted by Fishy
They do in total... Not per citizen, and I don't know how much the company's here give. Per Citizen maybe more maybe less. I don't know or care about that really.

And I'm not criticising the US... Just the people that say they pay to much, when you look at it compared to other country's its not all that much anymore. The one's with money and more people will always give more then others, but that doesn't mean they give more per citizen.

Its very simple to me, if any country spends more money on foreign aid per citizen then the US does then they have more rights to complain about the money they spend on foreign aid then US citizens do. Surprisingly enough however I have never seen a Non American complain about it. Or at least not as much as Americans are. It just annoys me.

Interesting. Who have you heard complain about foreign aid? I don't want to dispute you, I'm just interested. I have complaints about where the money goes and how it is used, but not the fact it is given.
Raising our percentage of output to Netherlandian ( ) levels would put a severe strain on our economy, though. Economics is just too complicated to compare the two countries as apples and apples. We produce the most money, but we also spend more than we produce, so there are other factors to weigh before assuming that the US isn't as generous as other countries.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Interesting. Who have you heard complain about foreign aid? I don't want to dispute you, I'm just interested. I have complaints about where the money goes and how it is used, but not the fact it is given.
Raising our percentage of output to Netherlandian ( ) levels would put a severe strain on our economy, though. Economics is just too complicated to compare the two countries as apples and apples. We produce the most money, but we also spend more than we produce, so there are other factors to weigh before assuming that the US isn't as generous as other countries.

Nobody that I can remember here, but plenty of people on other forums... It just annoys the hell out of me. And it often (wrongfully so) makes me assume that every American that talks about it feels the same about it. Thats why I was talking about it so much...

So many Americans are so cocky, yet so clueless to the rest of the world. It's a wonderful country with a few major league assholes.

I love how we're still talking about the cost of the war.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
I love how we're still talking about the cost of the war.

That was the title of the post. PVS provided information about the US contributions to foreign aid. Based on his first post, the conversation has stayed on topic.