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Infinite Empire would win alone...

but i wanted to add to all the bullshit threads here...........v_v

Please don't.. I used to like you don't make me not like you...

I always hated him. And the GE would win. The Yuuzhan Vong say that the GE fleet would have destroyed them within a few weeks. Also, the Rakata fleet isnt very big. THey only controlled 500 planets while the Empire controlled at least 61000.

Billions of force users... You are forgetting billions of force users...

Both the GE and CIS had large armies both land and fleet wise.

Doesnt matter. They werent all necessarly force users and we dont know how good each of them was. They also only had ten billion for the ENTIRE Empire. They probably have much less than that in their military because someone has to run society. For a very warlike species, maybe 1-10 are in the military. There are about 925 million people controlling just Star Destroyers, with probably tens of billions more controlling support craft. GE has to much for them.

No it literally said they had billions of soldiers, and they were powerful they controlled the Star Forge afterall, which is another thing infinite fleet anybody? Create a few droids to fly those bastards i'm sure they could do it and then ram the enemy to death...

The Yuuzhan Vong warriors are one of the largest castes. They are well trained, deadly, and are more aggressive than other castes of the Yuuzhan Vong. Ranks of the warrior caste include Warrior, Subaltern, Commander, Supreme Commander, and Warmaster. Their chief weapons are the amphistaff, which resembles a deadly serpent capable of spitting venom or coiling around foes. The warriors are devotees of the Slayer, Yun-Yammka, and seek honour in combat. They wear the living vonduun crab armour which is capable of resisting blaster fire and lightsabers.

(Source: Wikipedia)

Yuuzhan Vong could win this one without the Infinite Empire.

The only one that could really, really hurt them would be the Empire, because of Darth Vader, Emperor, Mara Jade, Jerec and his seven Dark Jedi henchmen.

Yuuzhan Vong were scared of the Empire... anyways who cares about those guys when you have a billion force users on your side...

True, but the Yuuzhan Vong are not connected to the Force...wait a minute off subject.

Death Star could blow up the Star Forge...so it depends on fighting.

Maybe it could, but could it if a million ships blocked its path and were moving towards the Death Star.

Besides the Death star both of them would be destroyed quite easily, because if one weak force user can do it, a billion powerful one's sure as hell could.

The Galatic Empire is good
The Trade Federation sucks crap
The Infinite Empire is amazing
And the Yuuzahan Vong are a race dedecated to their deities and war fare.
I say this battle is a little one sided.

Plus the Star Forge couldn't make a million ships in a second, it takes it a while to make a ship. And like it was said before, the Yuuzhan Vong were afraid of the Empire so they hid from them. Plus, we have Death Star 1 & 2, Galaxy Gun, World Devastators, Tarkin(battle station), proto deathstar, Vader, Billions of Storm Troopers. Hundreds of millions of sand troopers, hundreds of millions of snow troopers, Noghiri Death Commando's, Dark Troopers, Royal Guards, Grand Admiral Thrawn, ect. The Infinite Empire has some force users, some ships, the Star Forge, and at most, if every single person in their intire societly was in the military, 10 billion troops.

You forgot the Emperor. Go Empire!!

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
True, but the Yuuzhan Vong are not connected to the Force...wait a minute off subject.

Death Star could blow up the Star Forge...so it depends on fighting.

One, Luke X-Wing wasn't connected to Force either, your point is? Second, do you actually think that the Death Star would be allowed to get into the heart of the Infinite Empire? The Star Forge could easily churn out enough ships to blow it up by then.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Plus the Star Forge couldn't make a million ships in a second, it takes it a while to make a ship. And like it was said before, the Yuuzhan Vong were afraid of the Empire so they hid from them. Plus, we have Death Star 1 & 2, Galaxy Gun, World Devastators, Tarkin(battle station), proto deathstar, Vader, Billions of Storm Troopers. Hundreds of millions of sand troopers, hundreds of millions of snow troopers, Noghiri Death Commando's, Dark Troopers, Royal Guards, Grand Admiral Thrawn, ect. The Infinite Empire has some force users, some ships, the Star Forge, and at most, if every single person in their intire societly was in the military, 10 billion troops.

If I remember right it was more along the lines of 50 billion but lets say 10 anyways...

10 billion force users... One X-wing blew up the Death Star, you have seen Obi and Yoda kill Clone troopers as if it was nothing. The Infinite Empire would do the same. Their ships may take time to build but not a lot and its not like they enter this war with no ships.... They start out with possibly a million of them. They charge their ships with the force so every soldier was a force user and a reasonably powerful one at that.

Nothing would stand a chance, troops are not important when it comes to fighting that. Its going to be a lot harder to shoot down a fighter piloted by a force user then it is going to be when you want to shoot down a normal fighter. Their ships will eventually just adopt to ramming the opponent while the Rakatan sit back and watch the massacre take place.

Every time a battle has to be fought they will use the force to win it. Imagine a billion force users working together creating a powerful lighting storm. The entire fleet of the enemy would be electrocuted. The shields of the second Death Star would be easily taken down by a small strike team. A few force users would easily move through those storm troopers. Then a few pilots would arrive in their fighters (thats all they would need) race towards the Death Star and blow the thing to pieces,with luck they could retreat if they are out of luck they are ****ed. And BTW they can use their fighters can fly in hyperspace. At least I assume so, Kotor says that they used the force to use hyperspace. However their big ships have hyperspace engines. So either they made their ships fly even faster with the force, or Revan changed the blueprints or their fighters can fly in hyperspace.

Whatever the case the Infinite Empire would not need a lot of troops to blow the two death stars and the Imperial fleets. The Yuuzhan Vong would slaughter the trade federation.

Couldn't the Death Star wipe out the Star Forge, though...?

Yes it could. Easily.

Originally posted by Fishy
If I remember right it was more along the lines of 50 billion but lets say 10 anyways...

10 billion force users... One X-wing blew up the Death Star, you have seen Obi and Yoda kill Clone troopers as if it was nothing. The Infinite Empire would do the same. Their ships may take time to build but not a lot and its not like they enter this war with no ships.... They start out with possibly a million of them. They charge their ships with the force so every soldier was a force user and a reasonably powerful one at that.

Nothing would stand a chance, troops are not important when it comes to fighting that. Its going to be a lot harder to shoot down a fighter piloted by a force user then it is going to be when you want to shoot down a normal fighter. Their ships will eventually just adopt to ramming the opponent while the Rakatan sit back and watch the massacre take place.

Every time a battle has to be fought they will use the force to win it. Imagine a billion force users working together creating a powerful lighting storm. The entire fleet of the enemy would be electrocuted. The shields of the second Death Star would be easily taken down by a small strike team. A few force users would easily move through those storm troopers. Then a few pilots would arrive in their fighters (thats all they would need) race towards the Death Star and blow the thing to pieces,with luck they could retreat if they are out of luck they are ****ed. And BTW they can use their fighters can fly in hyperspace. At least I assume so, Kotor says that they used the force to use hyperspace. However their big ships have hyperspace engines. So either they made their ships fly even faster with the force, or Revan changed the blueprints or their fighters can fly in hyperspace.

Whatever the case the Infinite Empire would not need a lot of troops to blow the two death stars and the Imperial fleets. The Yuuzhan Vong would slaughter the trade federation.


It's 10 billion. Quote Wikipedia, "At its height, the population of this empire was ten billion Rakata and one trillion slaves." Beyond this, the average militaristic nation, has a ratio of approximatly 1 in every 150 people in their nation sevring in the military. Look at the Romans for example. They were once one of the most militaristic nations and had about that ratio.

They had no lightsabers back then and it is unreasonable to compare their average warrior to Obi-wan or Yoda. A few of the Jedi on the Council were killed by only a few clones.

You say they might have a million ships at the start of the war. Not likly. In fact, proaticly impossible. They only had 500 planets at the height of the Infinite Empire. The Galatic Empire had over a million member worlds. Qoute Wikipedia, "It consisted of over one million member worlds and fifty million colonies, protectorates and governorships."

There were no X-wings back then and there were not any proton torpedos either. They have no way of destroying the Death Star.

A major fact that you apparently overlooked is that Republic ships from for thousand years before the Galatic Empire were able to wage a relativly effective war against Rakata Ships. Think of how technology has improved over the last four thousand years in our society. We've gone from Canoes to Aircraft Carriers. Rakata are screwed.

For the Yuuzhan Vong, Luke said that he regretted destroying the Galaxy Gun because it would have been able to destroy the World Ships. Those were the core of the Yuuzhan Vong Navy.

The Sun Crusher could destroy the Star that the Star Forge was orbiting or it could engage fighters one-on-one. Since its invunerable to them, their screwed even more.

World Devastators could do what the Star Forge does on a smaller scale. The thing is, World Devastators are mobile.

Darth Vader, Palpatine, Joruus, Thrawn, Mara Jade, Shira Bride, Jerec, many Royal Guards are force users that are relativly powerful.

The Infinite Empire is screwed.

Dont know much about Infinite Empire, but I know they were force-users and they built the Star Forge and the Empire built the Death Star's but I think the Star Forge wins.

Death Star has a weapon that can destroy a planet. Their fleet is unmatched and unequal to any other.

GE and TF troops cant shoot the broad side of a barn the Yuuzhan Vong are 2 aggressive and they wold get desimated cuz of stupidity and the infinate empire would collapse on itsself leaving the GE and TF troops trying to shoot a barn

I have decided to show off some of the Imperial MIGHT!!!!

From Darhorse comics, I present the Greatsword Star Destroyer.


Greatsword Star Destroyer

Craft: Loronar Corporation Greatsword-class Star Destroyer
Type: Command/Battleship
Scale: Capital
Length: 6900m
Skill: Capital Ship Piloting: Greatsword
Crew: 124, 415 gunners: 1355, skeleton: 10,000/+10
Crew skill: Astrogation 4D, Capital Ship Piloting 4D+2, Capital Ship Gunnery 5D,
Capital Ship Shields 5D, Sensors 4D+2
Passengers: 17,500
Cargo Capacity: 45,000 metric tons
Consumables: 6 years
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Backup Hyperdrive: x14
Nav Computer: yes
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 5
Hull: 8D
Shields: 6D
Sensors:
Passive: 50/2D+1
Scan: 100/3D+2
Search: 250/5D
Focus: 10/6D
Small Craft:
144 TIEs
12 shuttles (usually 8 Lambda-class, 2 Sentinel-class, 2 Assault Shuttles)
12 landing barges
24 drop ships
Weapons: (Note: the parenthesized figures are for the battery firing mode)
500 Turbolaser Cannons (125 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 140 (35) front, 140 (35) left, 140 (35) right, 40 (10) back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 4D (2D)
Range: 3-15/35/75
Atmosphere: 6-30/70/150km
Damage: 4D (7D)
360 Heavy Turbolaser Cannons (80 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 120 (30) front, 80 (20) left, 80 (20) right, 40 (10) back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D (0D)
Range: 5-20/40/60
Atmosphere: 10-40/80/120km
Damage: 7D (10D)
120 Ion Cannons (30 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 40 (10) front, 40 (10) left, 40 (10) right
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D (1D)
Range: 1-10/25/50
Atmosphere: 2-20/50/100km
Damage: 4D (7D)
20 Tractor Beams
Fire Arc: 5 front, 6 left, 6 right, 3 back
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere: 2-10/30/60km
Damage: 6D
100 Concussion Missile Launchers
Fire Arc: 30 front, 25 left, 25 right, 20 back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range: 2-12/30/60
Atmosphere: 4-24/30/120km
Damage: 9D


* the gunnery system allows each cluster to be fired as a battery OR as individual guns only per round, not both in a single round.

Here is some more on the Tarkin Battle Station.


The Tarkin

Craft: Custom Ionic Cannon Mobile Space Platform
Type: Deep space mobile battle station
Scale: Death Star
Length: 30 kilometers
Skill: Battle station piloting: Tarkin
Crew: 30,000, gunners: 10,000, skeleton 10,000/+15
Passengers: 100,000 (troops), 5,000 (stormtroopers), 10,000 (support staff)
Cargo Capacity: over two hundred thousand kilotons
Consumables: 1 year
Cost: yeah, right, like you could afford it
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3
Hyperdrive Backup: x20
Nav Computer: Yes
Space: 2
Hull: 5D
Shields: 4D
Sensors:
Passive: 250/0D
Scan: 1000/1D
Search: 5000/2D+2
Focus: 40/4D
Weapons:
Superlaser
Fire Arc: Forward
Crew: 168, skeleton 48/+10
Scale: Death Star
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery: superlaser
Body: 12D (capital scale)
Space Range: 1-20/40/100
Damage: 2D to 16D*
500 Turbolaser Batteries
Scale: Starfighter
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-5/10/15
Damage: 5D
500 Heavy Turbolasers
Scale: Starfighter
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-7/15/30
Damage: 7D
250 Laser Cannons
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-5/10/15
Damage: 7D
250 Ion Cannons
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-3/7/10
Damage: 4D
100 Tractor Beam Emplacements
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 3D
Space Range: 1-5/10/25
Damage: 5D
* The Tarkin's power systems can generate 2D of damage per half hour, up to a maximum of 16D damage. However, the energy cells in the design can produce 32D per day without severely straining the energy reactors.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It's 10 billion. Quote Wikipedia, "At its height, the population of this empire was ten billion Rakata and one trillion slaves." Beyond this, the average militaristic nation, has a ratio of approximatly 1 in every 150 people in their nation sevring in the military. Look at the Romans for example. They were once one of the most militaristic nations and had about that ratio.

They had no lightsabers back then and it is unreasonable to compare their average warrior to Obi-wan or Yoda. A few of the Jedi on the Council were killed by only a few clones.

You say they might have a million ships at the start of the war. Not likly. In fact, proaticly impossible. They only had 500 planets at the height of the Infinite Empire. The Galatic Empire had over a million member worlds. Qoute Wikipedia, "It consisted of over one million member worlds and fifty million colonies, protectorates and governorships."

There were no X-wings back then and there were not any proton torpedos either. They have no way of destroying the Death Star.

A major fact that you apparently overlooked is that Republic ships from for thousand years before the Galatic Empire were able to wage a relativly effective war against Rakata Ships. Think of how technology has improved over the last four thousand years in our society. We've gone from Canoes to Aircraft Carriers. Rakata are screwed.

For the Yuuzhan Vong, Luke said that he regretted destroying the Galaxy Gun because it would have been able to destroy the World Ships. Those were the core of the Yuuzhan Vong Navy.

The Sun Crusher could destroy the Star that the Star Forge was orbiting or it could engage fighters one-on-one. Since its invunerable to them, their screwed even more.

World Devastators could do what the Star Forge does on a smaller scale. The thing is, World Devastators are mobile.

Darth Vader, Palpatine, Joruus, Thrawn, Mara Jade, Shira Bride, Jerec, many Royal Guards are force users that are relativly powerful.

The Infinite Empire is screwed.

Wikipedia isn't always right... But I won't argue about those people anymore.

No lightsabers? Your big point is? Who cares about that, they won't need to deflect bullets their millions of troops will walk over the enemy.

No X-wings? Again your big point is? They have other fighters, other fighters that can do exactly the same thing. And will actually, oh and they will do it faster then the Rebel alliance did.

Technology? Do you even realise that the Rakatan were around about 25.000 years before Kotor... Thats 25.000 years, their technology still surpassed that of the Republic during the time of Kotor. Another four thousand years probably wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also don't forget their energy shields, the Empire and the Trade Federation don't have things like that. STill the Rakatan would use them and be able to walk up to the Imperials easily.

Now another thing about those force users...

Who gives a shit, even if one of them was more powerful then the most powerful Rakatan which I doubt actually even then the Rakatan would heavily outnumber them and easily destroy them.

And the fight isn't the NJO republic now is it, why are you bringing people from that time into it.

But a billion dark side users (remember they were evil!), and the Vong didn't hide from the Empire, they just preferred a weaker enemy, sounds a bit cleverer than going straight for the empire that.

Nobodys stands a chance against the Infinite Empire.

That's true, they the Rakatan also completely enslaved planets, the Empire couldn't completely do that to the wookies, but because the Infinite empire had the force they could.

Billions of force users (Millions for Glentract) have a tendency of doing that.

Da empire and da CIS

How the hell would they win? Have you read the thread?

First of all, does the Empire or the CIS know where the location of the Star Forge is? If they dont, then the Infinite Empire would win through attrition. The Empire would only have so many resources, as their planets of production would probably be captured or destroyed by the Vong, after the Vong deal with the CIS, of course. The Empire would be too busy defending Corusant from the Infinite Fleet, while the CIS are being massacred by the Vong. Thats how I see it.

Even if they did, with the shields still in tact (and they would stay in tact... No squad of storm troopers would manage to break through those defences) their fleet would just fall to the ground and crash on a planet. The shields of the Star Forge were made to destroy entire fleets, they would do so succesfully against the Imperial fleet. The Death Star may be the only chance they have of destroying the Star Forge, if it would not be affected by the power of the Star Forge shields (very possible if its range is long enough) it could still be brought down however. The Rakatan have fighters and force users, they would destroy the thing quicly.

Da empire has da death star

They have the Galaxy Gun which(I dont remember which one) Luke says could hace destroyed most of the Yuuzhan Vong force by it self in only a few weeks.

Sun Crusher. The Star Forge is not moveable apparently. The Sun Crusher could destroy the star it is hovering over.

The Rakata only controlled 500 planets at their height. The Empire had over a million member planets. They just have too much nurmerical supeority.

A fleet of world devastators could out produce the star forge.

Notice how the six hundred year old Dreadnoughts have more firepower than the Rakata flagship. How the Imperial Star Destroyer can produce more energy in its reactor than a star.(Therefore, you could say that each Imprial Star Ddestroyer is better than the Star Forge.

Also, proton torpedos hadn't been invented yet. They had proton bombs, but the were over two meter s wide and thus would be unable to destroy the death star.

Like I said in my post, if the shields are still in tact it might not even reach it, if it does have the range however it would take time for it to begin firing. Keep in mind that force users could easily blow that thing up, and the Rakatan were powerful force users. Yes if the thing would get one shot then the Star Forge would be gone. But I don't think it will get that one shot.

Empire forever!

And the whole thing about finding the star forge, the empire couldn't. It took Revan to find it before, i doubt Vader would be as quick, until then the star forge would crack capitol ships like nothing, and yes, the death star could destroy them, but eventually it would be over whelmed.

The Infinite Empire had the superior resources. But the Death Star had firepower that the Star Forge cannot compete with. It requires ships. Now the Empire has a pretty big fleet - and their Star Destroyers are probably technologically superior to the Star Forge's. But yes. I agree, the Star Forge would have superior numbers. Palpatine had numerous weapons, such as The Death Star, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun ect. Now, sorry Fishy, but especially if all three superweapons were employed against the Star Forge - you're precious Forge doesn't stand a chance. Not even the SLIGHTEST chance.

Long live the Empire!

I think the Infinite Empire could take out both without the help from thej Yuuzhan Vong.

The IE would never destroy the strongest force the galaxy has ever seen. Like the Star Forge producing a never ending army the GE produces a never ending army of clones. Kamino.

The Infinite Empire would just have to destroy the Star Forge itself, then it couldn't produce any more armies. The Infinite Empire's armys and weapons would destroy the Star Forbe easily.

What does the Star Forge have to do with the Empire winning this war! Long live the Galactic Empire!

I'm just saying.

The Infinite Empire would use it's Death Star or Sun Crusher to explode Kamino, and their goes the Galactic Empire's source of troops.

I'm sure they had more then just Kamino. The Empire isn't stupid.

Yet Stormies are conscripts etc., not clones.

If this war goes on for at least a year, I believe the Rakatan could concievably enhance their ships even more so than the Empire, these guys were SMART. The only reson their ships/technology is the way it is in KotoR, is because they died. If they managed to get their hands on Empire or even CIS tech, imagine the Death Star with Rakatan enhancements, that would be the beggining of the end for the Empire and CIS. Sure the Empire and the CIS would be able to research during the war, but I believe that the IE's researchers are better. You are probably thinking,'Well they wouldn't be able to build a SSD or and ISD in a few weeks', but don't forget, they have the Star Forge. A few weeks time, and you might have 'at least' one SSD and two ISD's. Assuming they are able to make it go beyond 100% effeciency like Malak did. Actually, since the Rakatan are force users, getting GE tech would be simple, they could just use mind trick on a GE researcher or just pull the info right out of his head.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
They have the Galaxy Gun which(I dont remember which one) Luke says could hace destroyed most of the Yuuzhan Vong force by it self in only a few weeks.

Sun Crusher. The Star Forge is not moveable apparently. The Sun Crusher could destroy the star it is hovering over.

The Rakata only controlled 500 planets at their height. The Empire had over a million member planets. They just have too much nurmerical supeority.

A fleet of world devastators could out produce the star forge.

Notice how the six hundred year old Dreadnoughts have more firepower than the Rakata flagship. How the Imperial Star Destroyer can produce more energy in its reactor than a star.(Therefore, you could say that each Imprial Star Ddestroyer is better than the Star Forge.

Also, proton torpedos hadn't been invented yet. They had proton bombs, but the were over two meter s wide and thus would be unable to destroy the death star.

Would you really think the Rakatas would pass up the opportunity with Proton Missles? No. They would start to use them the first time they see them in action. And it's quality over quanity. For every Rakata Warrior who die, they could probably take down 10,000 of those people. Why? First, they use the force, and if nobody noticed, you can reflect blaster bolts with the force and you don't need a lightsaber to do it. Second, they were actually trained. And it was in their nature to fight, so that gives them another advantage.

And they wouldn't be stupid, so if they see a gigantic gun in thwe distance, their going to destroy it. So that leaves out the Sun Crusher, the Death Star, and all the other superweapons.

HimoKun and Infidus are right..

Superweapons wouldn't stand a chance against force users. The only way the Rakatan would have a chance, a very small chance of losing is if its only battle and from only one time zone. Otherwise the Rakatan would just own the Empire and CIS in everyway. And in one battle they probably still would.

And don't think they can't create SSD's if they want to they will board an imperial ship still the blueprints blow the thing to bits take it back to the Star Forge and start producing it. They will probably be far more interested in CIS droids however. If they don't already have droids that can fly they will in just days time. Imagine every ship that comes out of there set on ramming course.

Knowing the weaknes of the Death Star wouldn't even matter anymore

And the Rakatan build all their weapons and ships with the force, the Empire couldn't do that.

And it would just be hilarous to see the Vong going after the CIS machines, plus coulsn't a dovin basal or whatever it was, burrow itself into the Death Star and pull a star towards it, then it would be doomed.

So what you're telling me is that Force-users can reflect the Death Star's superlaser, Fishy? Did this happen before? If so, I'd like to see when it happened.

I just think you're going by speculation. But I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt.

Of course they can't reflect it..

But remember how the two Death Stars went down? First one a weak force user shoots one torpedo and blows it up. Second one required a small crew to destroy the shield and then a normal person to blow it up.

Force users could easily blow up the first death star, the shield of the second would easily be destroyed too. Normal strormtroopers don't stand a chance against Force users. Especially not 50 of them, which wouldn't be a lot for the Infinite Empire... And they would probably send a lot more.

They can't reflect the attacks but their ships could avoid them using the force they would be able to shut them down fast and effectively... There is nothing the other empires have that could make them stand a chance against a billion force users... Nothing.

Long live the Galatic Empire!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Long live the Galatic Empire!

Against a billion force users?