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I strongly think they have.Most have lost their traditional touch anyways.They're distorted into self defense stuff when most have more of a philosophical meaning to them.Just wanted to know what you guys thought about it.

I think that just about everymartial has been distorted...TKD for example...I think Original TKD would be awsome if there were still people who teached it..

TKD was invented only 60 odd years ago

It's strongly based on kicking right?

yes and ummmm maybe not tkd but something like hwarang do or something like that...that's where TKD came from i think..

TKD came from the fusion of Japanese Karate with a peasent street game and the martial art of the korean nobles. Because Koreans wanted identity and are taller the legs are used more than in Karate. It has a trapping element which is rarely shown these days.

Martial arts havent been distorted, but changed to fit the society where they are taught.

so yea they have been disorted.....

Originally posted by AdventChild
yes and ummmm maybe not tkd but something like hwarang do or something like that...that's where TKD came from i think..

Stop judging martial arts on a video game.

Traditional TKD focuses more so on flair, technique and range than actually attacking. Although that is obviously incorporated.

Hence why kicks are more of a focal point.

Most teachers nowadays incorporate a much larger mix of upper and lower body attacks.

I've been taught in both, so I can use both. But I prefer my kicks.

-AC

I like that it teachs self defence then religon.jm

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop judging martial arts on a video game.

Traditional TKD focuses more so on flair, technique and range than actually attacking. Although that is obviously incorporated.

Hence why kicks are more of a focal point.

Most teachers nowadays incorporate a much larger mix of upper and lower body attacks.

I've been taught in both, so I can use both. But I prefer my kicks.

-AC

what's ur level? do u know any other? what do u think of TKD Vs aikido.
which one's better for self defence, my own belief is aikido, but what do u think?

TKD is really divided into Poomse and Competition fighting in WTF style in the other styles it is more semi contact. Its reason for high kicking was when it was developed from Karate in 1944, the Koreans wanted it to be different. When I got my black belt in it a long time ago, I lost interest it is a very limited style and the kicking is whilst flashy, very poor in comparison to a Muay Thai Roundhouse. Its lack of effective groundwork and its reliance on oriental strikes makes it weak for self defence in comparison to something like Sambo.

I started Wing Chun aboot a year ago...n ot much philosophy there just kill your opponent as fast as possible...it probably isn't taught as it used to be though i guess and at least in Geramny it is very Commercial...I still like it a lot though..its a good syste,....very logical...

Originally posted by Bardock42
I started Wing Chun aboot a year ago...n ot much philosophy there just kill your opponent as fast as possible...it probably isn't taught as it used to be though i guess and at least in Geramny it is very Commercial...I still like it a lot though..its a good syste,....very logical...

Very effective strikes in self defence however it has little ground work and when people are drunk thats where fights end up on the ground

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Very effective strikes in self defence however it has little ground work and when people are drunk thats where fights end up on the ground

Yes that's true...I don't drink...and we try to train to not go to the ground...and I don't know if its traditional but at my school we practice fighting on the ground too....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes that's true...I don't drink...and we try to train to not go to the ground...and I don't know if its traditional but at my school we practice fighting on the ground too....

Yeah the traps used are very primitive though in most forms of Kungfu.



Strangely Tai Chi has some good locks, how weird is that

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Yeah the traps used are very primitive though in most forms of Kungfu.



Strangely Tai Chi has some good locks, how weird is that

to be honest I have not muchclue aboot martial arts I just do one that seemed logical to me.......I think it is a good system too...especially in close combat....but it has its flaws...I guess you will need to use basic wrestling on the floor...when you are drunk you are probablly not able to do kmore anyways.....

But we try to make the attacks reflexes so we don*t have to think aboot it but do the right thing right away.....

Yes reflex training is very common in traditional styles and a good way to start. On the ground JiuJitsu and Wrestling are much more effective.

Originally posted by nemo
what's ur level? do u know any other? what do u think of TKD Vs aikido.
which one's better for self defence, my own belief is aikido, but what do u think?

It's not about which one is better for self-defence. It's about which one is better for you.

I personally feel TKD is more appropriate as it's a range fighting style that concentrates on defence as much as attack.

I'm a 4th dan black belt.

-AC

Where do you study AC I got my Black with Yin Yang in Nottingham, I also trained with Panther in Lewisham

I lost interest in TKD when I got heavily into grappling in the mid nineties

Grappling is where it's at. I have been wrestling for 6 years and just started bjj a year ago. It is great.

A hall around my way. Tower Hamlets.

Mine is with Pil Sung.

-AC

Good stuff, I don't know it but I am well out of the loop as far as TKD is concerned. I can't grapple either since my knee op from playing rugby 18 months ago.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop judging martial arts on a video game.

Traditional TKD focuses more so on flair, technique and range than actually attacking. Although that is obviously incorporated.

Hence why kicks are more of a focal point.

Most teachers nowadays incorporate a much larger mix of upper and lower body attacks.

I've been taught in both, so I can use both. But I prefer my kicks.

-AC
I wasn't basing it off a video game!!!!! hwarang do is an actual martial art that tkd came from... i can't say that i'm spelling it right but it's an actual martial art!
here ya go! http://www.hwarangdo.net/

Originally posted by AdventChild
I wasn't basing it off a video game!!!!! hwarang do is an actual martial art that tkd came from... i can't say that i'm spelling it right but it's an actual martial art!
here ya go! http://www.hwarangdo.net/

Sorry Advent this is an OK history of TKD though

http://www.tkd.net/tkdnetwork/history.html

here's a better link!

http://www.hwarangdo.net/school/videos.php

Originally posted by AdventChild
here's a better link!

http://www.hwarangdo.net/school/videos.php

Its all the same lot Avdent thats not where TKD came from

http://www.sos.mtu.edu/husky/tkdhist.htm

another accepted history

*sigh* sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooo much to read!!!

Originally posted by AdventChild
*sigh* sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooo much to read!!!

Some times you have to read to research

god, do you really want the honest truth? Ninjitsu is a fighting and assasination art developed by thieves, murderers, rapists, assassins, and rebels. it advocates no morals other than accomplishing a goal at any cost. Muay Thai/Lerdrit is a killing art developed by a prince for for the army of siam. the sammurai were often corrupt and no more morally superior than the knights of europe in the middle ages. better?

Hmm Ninjitsu sounds good then......no morals in there.....

But try finding someone who knows genuine Ninjtsu and didn't learn it in Master "Dicks" garage or have it handed down through Master "Wanks" dojo with his "certificate" on the wall and a federation no one has heard of. but then isn't Ninjitsu like so much Kung Sockey secret

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I strongly think they have.Most have lost their traditional touch anyways.They're distorted into self defense stuff when most have more of a philosophical meaning to them.Just wanted to know what you guys thought about it.

The only reason a person in the mordern world would join a Martial Art is for self defense, I'm sure those requesting knowledge of the the philosophy of the martial art could just ask the sensai, I'm sure he'd comply.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
The only reason a person in the mordern world would join a Martial Art is for self defense, I'm sure those requesting knowledge of the the philosophy of the martial art could just ask the sensai, I'm sure he'd comply.
No some join to compete

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
The only reason a person in the mordern world would join a Martial Art is for self defense, I'm sure those requesting knowledge of the the philosophy of the martial art could just ask the sensai, I'm sure he'd comply.

I disagree.....people do it to be able to attac too....

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No some join to compete

Well, sport and defense then.

and like Bardock said attack

I think their philosophy has been lost, they are teached without their philosophy today, like if they were just for physical exercise.

Originally posted by AdventChild
so yea they have been disorted.....

Not distorted, but purposely altered.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Not distorted, but purposely altered.

Truth

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
The only reason a person in the mordern world would join a Martial Art is for self defense, I'm sure those requesting knowledge of the the philosophy of the martial art could just ask the sensai, I'm sure he'd comply.

The only problem is most teachers today don't even know the full history of an art.Most teachers don't realize kung fu is the terrible mis translation of chaun fa.What's worse is that most don't even realize the purpose Chaun Fa had for Buddhist monks.When it comes to self defense,the traditional martial arts,in all reality,have real no self defense equivelent.Now some do,but most teach katas and techniques as self defense when they where actualy created for a different purpose.That's why Bjj did so well in real fighting situations.It was made for that soul purpose.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Not distorted, but purposely altered.

yea that's a better term..

Originally posted by whirlysplat
But try finding someone who knows genuine Ninjtsu and didn't learn it in Master "Dicks" garage or have it handed down through Master "Wanks" dojo with his "certificate" on the wall and a federation no one has heard of. but then isn't Ninjitsu like so much Kung Sockey secret

ok, all ninjutsu is a knowledge of-
Tai Jitsu
Jiu Jitsu
Judo
Ninja Ken
Okinawan weapons
horseback riding
basic chemistry (explosives, smoke bombs)
gymnastics

kool, not to sound dumb or anything but what's bjj?

Brazillan Ju jitsu

oooo.....i'm so dumb....

There's a lot of commercialism and a lot of distortion of martial arts schools because of ego and greed.

so has anyone research hwa rang Do, i think it's a very effective martial art...

I'll do that sometime.

I just learned how to throw a perfect Ka Me Ha Me Ha yesterday, and Master Roshi is now teaching me the Kaio-Ken technique. I can use energy burts to level buildings, and increase my body size and power times two. Now THAT'S badass

simply childish....^

I'm a super saiyan level 4.

*sigh* you gotta be KIDDING ME!! fine......SS2 here..only cuz i'm a girl...

Don't sell yourself short.

Originally posted by AdventChild
simply childish....^

yeah yeah...just a joke fro crying out loud.

Excuse ME for having a bit of fun here...I will now leave you and your "advanced" sense of maturity" to contemplate how someone like YOU can be in the same thread as someone like ME, and when you're done eating you can toss me the bone to chew on while I bow down and use my fragile body as a bridge so you won't step in the puddle of mud with your new 200 Rockport wingtips as you step into the back of your new limo from Rolls Canardly (rolls downhill, can ardly start...)

Is THAT mature enough for you? So THERE....I guess I told YOU a thing or two or three...

Originally posted by AdventChild
so has anyone research hwa rang Do, i think it's a very effective martial art...


So what is that art about?Kicks,punches?

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
yeah yeah...just a joke fro crying out loud.

Excuse ME for having a bit of fun here...I will now leave you and your "advanced" sense of maturity" to contemplate how someone like YOU can be in the same thread as someone like ME, and when you're done eating you can toss me the bone to chew on while I bow down and use my fragile body as a bridge so you won't step in the puddle of mud with your new 200 Rockport wingtips as you step into the back of your new limo from Rolls Canardly (rolls downhill, can ardly start...)

Is THAT mature enough for you? So THERE....I guess I told YOU a thing or two or three...

uh....wow....was all that nesscesary?...i uh...geez ok u win..i was playing along too...give me some credit..i swear though you sounded just like AC(alpha centuari) there....

Originally posted by mr.smiley
So what is that art about?Kicks,punches?

here's a link.....
http://www.hwarangdo.net/flash/128/flash.html

i think it's everything incorporated...grappling,punching kicking...umm yea...

Good luck Advent Child.Hope to see you back soon!

Yup good luck little one

Hwa rang do?... is that like an inside joke for the tekken character?... how long has this art existed?

LOL "The way of the flowering manhood"

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Hwa rang do?... is that like an inside joke for the tekken character?... how long has this art existed?

LOL "The way of the flowering manhood"

Is that what it means, its not a real art i do know that and its got nothing to do with the history of TKD as I stated earlier.