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The Vishanti:



VS

Nabu:

Hmm...I suppose that The Vishanti win.

Three VS One !!!
Duh............ its OVERKILL !!

Oh yeah, when Dr. Strangefate was created I wonder how there 4 gods get along ??

For some reason, everyone believes Dr. Fate to be equal to Dr. Strange.

Wrong.

From the information given its obvious people who dont know about either the Vishanti or nabu are going to pick the vishanti because you've hardly given any information on them. All that says is that Nabu is an ancient being who made a few trinkets. Look how that compares to the vishanti info.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From the information given its obvious people who dont know about either the Vishanti or nabu are going to pick the vishanti because you've hardly given any information on them. All that says is that Nabu is an ancient being who made a few trinkets. Look how that compares to the vishanti info.

Nabu is an ancient Egyptian sorcerer, whose spirit resides in the helmet. I know all about him.

Long pig did that on purpose.

the review on the gods is biased

He is sorcerer, but he has god-like powers.



And I believe that Strange is more powerful then Fate, but Fate is not that much behind.

But even Surfer is stated to be more powerful than Strange its just that Strange has greater potential becaus he can invoke power from uber beings. But then its not guranteed that those beings will help him

<<But even Surfer is stated to be more powerful than Strange its just that Strange has greater potential becaus he can invoke power from uber beings. But then its not guranteed that those beings will help him>.

true. though it doesn't happen all that often that the entities refuse him. this is one small area where fate has an advantage - his power is never denied him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Nabu is an ancient Egyptian sorcerer, whose spirit resides in the helmet. I know all about him.

Long pig did that on purpose.

Then you'd know his a Lord of Order, Mucho Mojo Marvelites

A Nabu vs Vishanti thread? Wow. Was i at work that long? I must have missed this one.

Long Pig thats a horrible bio of Nabu. Im inclined to think you were biased in posting those.

Thanks Leo and DC for posting those Nabu bio's.

The Vishanti are 3 entities with mystical power, while Nabu is the most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu. There also are many entities within the LoO and the LoC. Nabu and Mordru are the most powerful of the two sides per say.

Its pretty hard to distinguish who is more powerful. It appears that Nabu and Hoggoth are the oldest. Although Hoggoth isnt the strongest.

Hard to say. One might be inclined to say the Vishanti wins due to sheer numbers, but Agamotto seems like the most powerful with Oshtur coming in a close second.

I cant call it. We dont know much about the rest of the Lords of Order and Chaos besides Nabu and Mordru.

We know they can be cardboard boxes and little girls see the sandman

Nah, I didn't do it intentionally, but you try finding info on Nabu, it's friggin hard.
Also, there's a limit on how many words you can post, I left out more than half of the Vishanti text as well.

Vishanti

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Then you'd know his a Lord of Order, Mucho Mojo Marvelites One Lord of order vs about 10 multiverse transcending abstracts, 3 of which are about as old as time itself. Hmmm...

Strange is easily more powerful than Fate.

<<Strange is easily more powerful than Fate>>

why?

I think a Strange/Fate fight would be close, but Strange just has way more to work with and is way more versatile.

And no, Nabu ain't beating the friggin Vishanti.
jeez.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Strange is easily more powerful than Fate>>

why?

Granted, the Helmet of Fate contains the spirit of a Lord of Order. However, to suggest that Nabu is equal, superior to, or even close to the combined power of Cyttorak, Wattomb, Agamotto, Hoggoth, Oshtur, Ragadoor, and the countless other entities whose power is at Strange's disposal is simply ridiculous.

Originally posted by long pig
I think a Strange/Fate fight would be close, but Strange just has way more to work with and is way more versatile.

And no, Nabu ain't beating the friggin Vishanti.
jeez.

I don't think the fight would be close at all. Remove the helmet, and Hector's as good as dead.

Well, if I go by what jrod says, it's impossible to remove his helmet.....

That's why I see it as close.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, if I go by what jrod says, it's impossible to remove his helmet.....

That's why I see it as close.

Magic protects the helmet. Any form of magic can be overcome by more powerful magic. Strange isn't going to try to wrestle it from him. With a spell from the Vishanti, that thing is as good as off.

Strange has way more magical resources. I don't see it as a close fight, even if Fate keeps the helmet.

The Vishanti isnt more powerful than Spectre. Thats the only one ive seen somewhat get it off.

Spectre is above magic.

I argued that, saying while wrapped in the Cyttorak Bands, it'll come off.

He was saying something like nothing short of presence powered Spectre can get it off.

Every theory of how Strange would win I've ever read had to do with the helmet being taken off, so it sounded fishy to me too.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The Vishanti isnt more powerful than Spectre. Thats the only one ive seen somewhat get it off.

Spectre is above magic.

The Vishanti is more powerful than Nabu. That's all that matters.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The Vishanti isnt more powerful than Spectre. Thats the only one ive seen somewhat get it off.

Spectre is above magic.
Spectre?

Spectre is never full powered can you give me issue #

Originally posted by long pig
I argued that, saying while wrapped in the Cyttorak Bands, it'll come off.

He was saying something like nothing short of presence powered Spectre can get it off.

Every theory of how Strange would win I've ever read had to do with the helmet being taken off, so it sounded fishy to me too.

Bands of Cyttorakk isnt a sure victory for Strange. Namor has broken out of the bands of Cyttofak before. Ill try to do the research and find the comic and issue # for ya.

Originally posted by kgkg
Spectre?

Spectre is never full powered can you give me issue #

You got the DoV series? Thats the closest to a full-powered Spectre.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Bands of Cyttorakk isnt a sure victory for Strange. Namor has broken out of the bands of Cyttofak before. Ill try to do the research and find the comic and issue # for ya.

Namor didn't break out. He sank into the ground, like water.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Namor didn't break out. He sank into the ground, like water.

And waht comic are you reffering to?

Namor has, and so has Hulk. But not while Strange wanted them there.

Hulk broke them when Strange was unconcious, Namor broke them when Strange was fighting someone else.

The narrator said something to the effect of "The bands are unbreakable....only when concentrated upon!" then Namor breaks them.

As long as Strange is concentrating on the bands, they are unbreakable.

edit.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And waht comic are you reffering to?

Dis one. I think it's Defenders #1. Namor turned into water.

Namor notices the bands fading as Strange is being occupied, then the narrator speaks, then Namor breaks them.

Hulk's time was the same, they faded, Hulk noticed, he broke them while Strange was K.O'd.

Galactus couldn't even break them while Strange concentrated.

Incredible Hulk #450. Namor the Sub-Mariner broke out of them Marvel Team-Up V2 #8.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Dis one. I think it's Defenders #1. Namor turned into water.

Im not sure if that was the one i was reffering to, but ill still check around.

Nvm. I guess LP got it.

Yeah, as long as he concentrates noone can get out. In a recent Defenders comic, Hulk tried to get out and failed--then he pretended that he had calmed down.

Strange made the bands dissolve, and Hulk promply smashed him--giving him a concussion. I was LMFAO.

The new series?

Hey, longpig. Change your sig before SS fanboys rape you !! Hahaha

Anyways, Nabu could also win IF he has connection to other deities !!!
If the power of Nabu is Egypt mythology based then there are a lot of powerful egyptian gods/goddess , say, Ra, Seth, Horus , etc...

So prep plays an important role, and these are GODS in battle, so they have Millenias of prep time !!!

<<The Vishanti is more powerful than Nabu. That's all that matters.>.

no one really knows, however i think your logic is faulty. by your reasoning, strange would be unbeatable - ie - he would beat anyone below the vishanti. you are assuming that he gets all the power of the vishanti when he conjures. but he doesn't. in fact, CLEARLY this is not the case. so it doesn't matter IF the vishanti ARE more powerful - which (in their individual realms and combined) they probably are. the vishanti are WAYYYY more powerful than enchantress and executioner as well - but the 2 combined were about to kill strange until clea saved his ass. combined, they're more powerful than almost ANYONE. but to say strange can beat anyone because the vishanti are more powerful than almost anyone makes no sense because obviously this is not the case.

i've said it before - strange is tough - but he's not unbeatable. he and fate are very close.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<The Vishanti is more powerful than Nabu. That's all that matters.>.

no one really knows, however i think your logic is faulty. by your reasoning, strange would be unbeatable - ie - he would beat anyone below the vishanti. you are assuming that he gets all the power of the vishanti when he conjures. but he doesn't. in fact, CLEARLY this is not the case. so it doesn't matter IF the vishanti ARE more powerful - which (in their individual realms and combined) they probably are. the vishanti are WAYYYY more powerful than enchantress and executioner as well - but the 2 combined were about to kill strange until clea saved his ass. combined, they're more powerful than almost ANYONE. but to say strange can beat anyone because the vishanti are more powerful than almost anyone makes no sense because obviously this is not the case.

i've said it before - strange is tough - but he's not unbeatable. he and fate are very close.
true leo Strange doesn't get full power of the vishanti.

But even a portion of there power is too much for many heroes

as for fate i don't know how powerful he is.............

I know Fate! full helme kent Nelson/Nabu fate is uber

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I know Fate! full helme kent Nelson/Nabu fate is uber
Whirly you think he can take the JLA by himself?

hmmmmmmmmm, unlikely as the JLA always win

unlikely, but he would put up a fight. and you're right, kg. usually a part IS enough. against fate, it might be, but there's a chance fate might take him as well.

Has everyone forgotten that someone would have to put on the helmet that melding nabu's spirit with the person wearing it,
i hear people saying that if they take off the helmet nabu would be destroyed but that's not true the person wearing the helmet would,
because once the helmet comes off (if ever does hear it's impossible) Then the connection between the person and nabu is broken.
Nabu has the powers not the other person,
They call a person who wears the helmet the INVINCIBLE man, So wouldn't it bet the invincible man going against,

if both were to fight with out any help i think fate might win.

There have been very, very few times where Strange has been denied the power that he needs to do something. The only time I can recall is when he first started dealing with Sligguth, Shuma Gorath, etc. Even then the Vishanti pointed him in the direction that he needed to go. Same when he was trying to prevent Mephisto and Satannish from destroying earth--Agamotto wouldn't involve himself directly, but he guided Strange in a way to defeat him. The Vishanti also aren't usually Strange's first method of attack, either. And he draws magic from other sources as well (gaian, chaos, etc).

Originally posted by Mider
if both were to fight with out any help i think fate might win.

Without any help? You mean no magic for either?

Pfft... Stevie is a superb hand to hand fighter. He would trounce Kent.

Even without magic Kent does have a good degree of super strength.

I don't think he has them w/o the helm. Half helm sure, but doesn't have magic, only PC strength, physical invulnerability and flight.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I don't think he has them w/o the helm. Half helm sure, but doesn't have magic, only PC strength, physical invulnerability and flight.
Well it's all based in telekinesis. Nabu taught Kent how to use TK even without his magical powers.

I know that but has he ever simulated super-strength with it?

Originally posted by The Ion
Even without magic Kent does have a good degree of super strength.

Not without the helmet, which is magic.

Strange has innate magical abilities as well. I don't think he has TK, though.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I know that but has he ever simulated super-strength with it?
He has though not anywhere near a Superman level without the half helm.

The Vishanti are too powerful and throw in the other members, nabu is good as dead.

nabu if he lost would certainly put up a hell of a fight. He's the most powerful and wise of the lords of order or at least was until Spectre sent him on the last journey. its certainly not going to be the least bit easy for them. But I see this going either way.