Bumfights-opinions???

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romper_stomper
i just watched these films for the first time the other night and far from being shocked and appalled as most ppl said i would be i actually found them to be rather humorous,,anybody else seen em? wat did you think of em

MetallicaT
some of the fights are funny as hell...the only one i can really remember is the one where a big black woman is kicking that shit out a crack head laughing

KharmaDog
Originally posted by romper_stomper
Bumfights-opinions???

Entertainment for the immature or socially retarded.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Entertainment for the immature or socially retarded.

I agree totally. my only hope is that the people who make such nasty shows end up on the receiving end some day.

Deano
it sickens me

WindDancer
hahaha!!! These bum fights videos are classic. Great stuff!

PVS
nothing funnier than exploiting the misery of others for entertainment, especially the homeless

Imperial_Samura
Yep, wonder how they came up with something so tasteless.

KharmaDog
I think it's safe to say that being entertained by these videos shows a pretty low level of class and intelligence.

whirlysplat
I absolutely agree Karma

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Entertainment for the immature or socially retarded.

Agreed. I find people who find this kind of thing entertaining or even funny very appaling. What does that say about their social status and values...

Linkalicious
I don't own them but I've watched Volume 2 at a friend's house while I was over at his house to pick something.

All wussy emotional shit aside, it's cinematic gold that will keep you entertained from begining until end.

lil bitchiness
Simple things please simple minds.

BackFire
I think they're ****ing stupid.

I tried to watch one once, and it was kinda funny and interesting for a few minutes, then got really boring and redundant. The novelty wears off almost immediately.

SlipknoT
Originally posted by Linkalicious

All wussy emotional shit aside, it's cinematic gold that will keep you entertained from begining until end. yes

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by BackFire
I think they're ****ing stupid.

I tried to watch one once, and it was kinda funny and interesting for a few minutes, then got really boring and redundant. The novelty wears off almost immediately.

yesthumb up

WindDancer
It is understandble that many people will consider Bumfights to be tasteless and also repugnant to watch. But don't people also laugh at the stupid stunts committed by the Jackass crew? It is basically the same thing. Except that these a bums are getting into knuckle fights and beating each other and getting small sum of money as payment. People love the WWE and you see people getting beat up to a pulp (the beatings are not fake) and people pay to see this! What is the difference? Bumfights is a more brutal form of an entertainment than WWE. And because some of us (yes that includes myself) find it entertaining we're brutes and senseless people?

PVS
when people from jackass and WWE are done punishing themselves, they go home to their lavish mansions and enjoy their endless wealth.

when these homeless people are done being punished, they spend what little money they are awarded and go on being homeless.

bad comparrison.

wouldnt you take a chair shot to the head for $100,000?
and would you lose some teeth for $20?

see the difference?

WindDancer
Originally posted by PVS
when people from jackass and WWE are done punishing themselves, they go home to their lavish mansions and enjoy their endless wealth.

when these homeless people are done being punished, they spend what little money they are awarded and go on being homeless.

bad comparrison.

wouldnt you take a chair shot to the head for $100,000?
and would you lose some teeth for 20$?

see the difference?

The "superstars" of the WWE go back to their mansions and get lavish in their wealth. The average wrestler does not have the same fortune. Therefore he is in the same situation as a bum from Bumfights. These people are homeless because they can't get a job or are too lazy to get a job. Those that are too lazy get involved in these bumfights.

Would I take a chair shot to the head for $100,000? You Betcha I will! When I was 17 years old I love to be in BYW (Back Yard Wrestling) and I got mine fair share of beatings. I did it back then and I would do it again. It is my stupid decision so I would only blame myself no one else.

As I said Bumfights isn't for everyone. Just like pornography. Is tasteless but some people love to watch it. And no PVS I won't give you that old reply of "Don't like it? don't watch it". If you don't like it that is fine me.

PVS
Originally posted by WindDancer
The "superstars" of the WWE go back to their mansions and get lavish in their wealth. The average wrestler does not have the same fortune. Therefore he is in the same situation as a bum from Bumfights. These people are homeless because they can't get a job or are too lazy to get a job. Those that are too lazy get involved in these bumfights.

Would I take a chair shot to the head for $100,000? You Betcha I will! When I was 17 years old I love to be in BYW (Back Yard Wrestling) and I got mine fair share of beatings. I did it back then and I would do it again. It is my stupid decision so I would only blame myself no one else.

As I said Bumfights isn't for everyone. Just like pornography. Is tasteless but some people love to watch it. And no PVS I won't give you that old reply of "Don't like it? don't watch it". If you don't like it that is fine me.

have you ever known a professional wrestler? i've known a few. all very different but with one thing in common. THEY LOVE IT. its not just a way to get payed, they just live for what they do. sure they all wished to become millionares and fell short, but they all told me the same thing: "its not a profession you go into for money." if you're lucky, VERY lucky, you make a good living off of it, and they all know that going into it. point is, they got into it not out of necessity, but love.

with that aside, they all have the potential for wealth and fame. the bums however do not. they only have the potential to win a small cash prize which is ultimately meaningless. none of them fight because they have hopes that it will take them to greater heights. none of them love what they do. they are just trying to put food (or booze) in their stomachs, while those who exploit them get rich. this is disgusting imo. to subscribe is to support this.

on a side note, if those homeless people were given a substantial share of profits, i would'nt hate the idea. if they could actually make a living as opposed to being able to buy a 40 and a happy meal, that would be ok i think. but this is just another case of someone profiting off of the tragic misery of others.

WindDancer
Originally posted by PVS
have you ever known a professional wrestler? i've known a few. all very different but with one thing in common. THEY LOVE IT. its not just a way to get payed, they just live for what they do. sure they all wished to become millionares and fell short, but they all told me the same thing: "its not a profession you go into for money." if you're lucky, VERY lucky, you make a good living off of it, and they all know that going into it. point is, they got into it not out of necessity, but love.

I've met some Mexican Wrestlers in the past and indeed they love what they do. If I recall correctly before a fight they ask the bums if they want to do it. They say yeah and get on with it. Do they love it? maybe they do or who really knows.

Originally posted by PVS
with that aside, they all have the potential for wealth and fame. the bums however do not. they only have the potential to win a small cash prize which is ultimately meaningless. none of them fight because they have hopes that it will take them to greater heights. none of them love what they do. they are just trying to put food (or booze) in their stomachs, while those who exploit them get rich. this is disgusting imo. to subscribe is to support this.

See PVS you're getting into the issue of money. And when more money is involved then we're talking contracts. And establishing a contract involves legal matters. And that is when it totally defeats the purpose of having bum fights. And don't want you to think that I fully support these bumfights. Bumfights that involved extortion or even murder should be penalize by the law.

Originally posted by PVS
on a side note, if those homeless people were given a substantial share of profits, i would'nt hate the idea. if they could actually make a living as opposed to being able to buy a 40 and a happy meal, that would be ok i think. but this is just another case of someone profiting off of the tragic misery of others.

There are many other cases in which people make profit of other peoples misery. Certain cases of Bumfights are included others are not. Because like I said they agree to participate.

PVS
desperate people will agree to almost anything.
does that make it morally clean?

WindDancer
Desperate people will, but rational thinking people will not. And getting into the topic of morals here is rather broad. But if you find it (And is quite clear that you do) morally wrong than I won't debate you on the basis of morals.

KidRock
Never saw a bumfights video..but see the commercials all the time.

BackFire
Wrestlers are professionals, they are trained and have the proper provisions to ensure their safety to the highest possible caliber. There are paramedics and safety technicians standing by ready incase something goes wrong. They know how to land, how to fake hits, and how to do the real hits with the chairs, they know where to hit and how to make it look real. Also there are story lines, characters, rivalries and such that make the WWE far more theatrical and more then just random brutality.

Also, the average WWE wrestler may not own a mansion, but they make enough to live comfortably, to own a house and by food. The bums get 15 bucks so they can buy a denny's meal.

The bums have no training, there is no medical personal standing by, there is no set ups or prior knowledge of how to fake a hit or how/where to hit someone so it won't injure them badly, and the people putting on the "show" themselves have no training, they are failures at life and have to resort to paying desperate homeless people small amounts of money to hurt themselves for cheap, witless, redundant "entertainment".

KidRock
Originally posted by BackFire
Wrestlers are professionals, they are trained and have the proper provisions to ensure their safety to the highest possible caliber. There are paramedics and safety technicians standing by ready incase something goes wrong. They know how to land, how to fake hits, and how to do the real hits with the chairs, they know where to hit and how to make it look real. Also there are story lines, characters, rivalries and such that make the WWE far more theatrical and more then just random brutality.

Also, the average WWE wrestler may not own a mansion, but they make enough to live comfortably, to own a house and by food. The bums get 15 bucks so they can buy a denny's meal.

The bums have no training, there is no medical personal standing by, there is no set ups or prior knowledge of how to fake a hit or how/where to hit someone so it won't injure them badly, and the people putting on the "show" themselves have no training, they are failures at life and have to resort to paying desperate homeless people small amounts of money to hurt themselves for cheap, witless, redundant "entertainment".

And sadly those "failures at life" who created bum fights are making 7 figures a year.

Pandemoniac
I most definitely agree BackFire! Bumfights are the prime example of how far selfish, ignorant and uncaring b*stards will go to make a easy buck out of the misery of the unfortunate in society, as they are to aware of the other pitiful and sick suckers who just love to wank off at their videos.
Even more frightful to me is that there is a large enough audience for this sort of shit to make it profitable. A nice proof of how far a man can sink and still think of himself as floating.
I cannot start describing my hate for the creators of bumfights, but for all you sad and pathetic fans of it; your taste in 'entertainment' displays a great mental disorder, stop considering yourselves human and go sniff each-others asses like the retarded dogs you are!!
But don't worry, your attitudes will surely render you without a job in the near future, and you can be the star in your own favorite show!
Good luck in becoming a respectable person, to bad it ain't gonna happen in this life time.

ragesRemorse
paying bums to do moronic shit to themselves is fine. Even manipulating them is fine. Persuading them to break the law isnt. I personally think the things that are found in bumfights is evil. However, people do need to take responsibility for there own decesions.

Pandemoniac
These people live outside 'our world'. They are easily seduced with the least of afford. It is not the bums breaking the laws, it's the moronic b!tches behind the camera doing the true damage.
As they have no respect for these bums, cause they don't concider them not humans anymore, I might aswell claim the right to shoot any of those b@stards in the face cause I don't concider them human anymore after the shit they pull. Is that what the world is coming to now?

romper_stomper
i agree that a)its immoral(probably) and b)tastless but more important than that is the fact that it gets ppl talkin and isnt that wat good movies are supposed to do,besides like wind dancer said all moral bullshit aside it is very entertaining and humorous and anyway some of the bums in particular rufus and bling bling are now famous worldwide and are actually quite proud of there role in bumfights,so arent they at least in someways better off

Imperial_Samura
Hmmm. Good movies get people talking when they are good. Bad movies get people talking because, lets face it, they are bad. And lets not sully the name of good movie makes by comparing them to the makers of this... trash.

magic_hate_ball
man i felt guilty watching this even when i was drunk.....:-\

mr.smiley
Well it's better than feeding people to lions.

LordSorgo
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Simple things please simple minds.

True enough, although Fighting isn't as simple as you think and homeless people aren't and simple as thought, either. But yes, the movie is quite stupid. Exploiting the scrapage of poor people who have been thrown or dished out onto the street is just absurd, stupid and outright pointless.

The movie represents nothing but a series of Homeless people fighting. Whether they got themselves on the street in the first place or whether they use the money they get to buy alcohol is far beyond the point. Anyone who watchs this movie is not very expandable and loves to blow time on stupid shit, to be quite blunt.

ElectricBugaloo
Exploiting people for you personal gain is never good never funny. Seeing someone push a defenseless person around is horrible. The fighting is the least of the things they did. They coerced them into pulling out their own teeth with pliers, setting thier heads on fire, etc. This is stuff that would be considered torture.

These are truly defenseive people. A lawyer who was suing on behalf of two of the bumfights 'performers' (both veterans) put them up in a motel while the case was pending. She also brought them pizza every day, and it took these people a month before they could work up the nerve to tell her that they didnt' like pizza.

They asked one of them to hit the other; he said no. They were best friends. They bought him a beer. He hit his friend, his friend fell and broke his leg in three pieces.

These aren't just actors, these are people. Real people, with problems you couldn't imagine. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's not entertainment - you're watching the exploitation of some of the kindest, gentlest, most defenseless people there are in the world.

PVS
Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
Exploiting people for you personal gain is never good never funny. Seeing someone push a defenseless person around is horrible. The fighting is the least of the things they did. They coerced them into pulling out their own teeth with pliers, setting thier heads on fire, etc. This is stuff that would be considered torture.

These are truly defenseive people. A lawyer who was suing on behalf of two of the bumfights 'performers' (both veterans) put them up in a motel while the case was pending. She also brought them pizza every day, and it took these people a month before they could work up the nerve to tell her that they didnt' like pizza.

They asked one of them to hit the other; he said no. They were best friends. They bought him a beer. He hit his friend, his friend fell and broke his leg in three pieces.

These aren't just actors, these are people. Real people, with problems you couldn't imagine. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's not entertainment - you're watching the exploitation of some of the kindest, gentlest, most defenseless people there are in the world.


^^^^^^

couldnt have said it better

Sadako of Girth
Indeed.. I'm a huge fight fan.

But watching these things go down would just be too sickening for me knowing the background of it.

This whole thing is just a step away from the "Happy Slapping" thing...
The makers are w***ers beyond belief IMO.

KharmaDog
Originally posted by WindDancer
But don't people also laugh at the stupid stunts committed by the Jackass crew? It is basically the same thing.

Originally posted by WindDancer
These people are homeless because they can't get a job or are too lazy to get a job. Those that are too lazy get involved in these bumfights.

I'm sure you don't care, but I have to say I have lost alot of respect for you because of the incredible niavete', or just blatant misinformation, that you embrace by making the above statements.

PVS
wow....i missed that second quote.....................wow

Linkalicious
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Simple things please simple minds.

Yes because pleasure can only be found at a highly sophisticated intellectual level.

Drop the superiority complex please.

DarkCanadian
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Entertainment for the immature or socially retarded.
Sadly, yes.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
These people live outside 'our world'. They are easily seduced with the least of afford. It is not the bums breaking the laws, it's the moronic b!tches behind the camera doing the true damage.
As they have no respect for these bums, cause they don't concider them not humans anymore, I might aswell claim the right to shoot any of those b@stards in the face cause I don't concider them human anymore after the shit they pull. Is that what the world is coming to now?

you must be a democrat. I'm sorry, but it is the responsibility of a grown man to know the laws. Everyone lives in their own world. These failures of life still have to abide by the law. NO ONE is above the law. both parties in this situation are just as guilty as each other. however, trying to convince someone to break the law is not against the law. No matter how immoral it may be.

KharmaDog
Has anyone even considered that many people that are homeless are also suffering from mental illness?

whirlysplat
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
you must be a democrat. I'm sorry, but it is the responsibility of a grown man to know the laws. Everyone lives in their own world. These failures of life still have to abide by the law. NO ONE is above the law. both parties in this situation are just as guilty as each other. however, trying to convince someone to break the law is not against the law. No matter how immoral it may be.

Conspiracy to commit a crime/ Incitement to commit an assault.

hmmmmmmmmm.

I think it could be illegal at least in the UK

ragesRemorse
i'm talking about the trivial shit. "hey man, why dont you run full speed into that restaurant sign?" "ok" If there were proof or documentation that these people were given incentives for the actions, then it would be against the law.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i'm talking about the trivial shit. "hey man, why dont you run full speed into that restaurant sign?" "ok" If there were proof or documentation that these people were given incentives for the actions, then it would be against the law.

True enough

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Has anyone even considered that many people that are homeless are also suffering from mental illness?

Most homeless people are men and woman capable of not being homeless.

PVS
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Has anyone even considered that many people that are homeless are also suffering from mental illness?

absolutely. many if not most. at least around here.

for the life of me, i cant understand why people believe that people
become homeless because they just somehow chose to be. like
they said "i dont feel like working anymore...im just gonna be homeless"
how ignorant and sad

whirlysplat
Originally posted by PVS
many if not most.
Probably most

ElectricBugaloo
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i'm talking about the trivial shit. "hey man, why dont you run full speed into that restaurant sign?" "ok" If there were proof or documentation that these people were given incentives for the actions, then it would be against the law.

It is against the law, they do incite them. One, they promised him $25,000. Then when they were done taping, they turned their back on him and never did anything for him. They rpmise them booze, they threaten them, they give them $10, they even say that they'll be friends with them to do these things.

They have minders whos sole jobs are to keep the homeless people drunk all day so they will do these things. As one of the 'actors' said, "When you want a beer, you'll do anything to get it. You don't think. 'Bash your head against the wall.' 'Okay, I'll do it jst to show you I'll do it.'" They find people with alcoholism and worse and exploit them. Plain and simple.

ragesRemorse
so an alchoholic who goes home and beats the hell out of his family isnt at fault because he was drunk?

ElectricBugaloo
No, but the person who tells the alcoholic to do so for beer is.

EDIT: that came out wrong. Yes, he is wrong, but more so is the person who tells the alcoholic to do so to further the disease.

PVS
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
so an alchoholic who goes home and beats the hell out of his family isnt at fault because he was drunk?

if someone got the man drunk, offered to pay him money to beat his wife, filmed it, and profited, then YES he would probably face legal action.


what is this...bad analogy day??
i forgot to mark my calender

ragesRemorse
yeah just like the analogy of naked people and discrimination smile. I guess it comes down to people who believe alchoholism is a disease. I was never trying to side with the people who participate in the manipulation of bums. I am just saying both parties are equally accountable. saying that the bums are not because they were drunk is the exact same thing as saying a man who beats his family is innocent because he was drunk. the man made a conscious chocie to get drunk did he not? If you dont know that alchohol alters your perception, then your a moron and dont deserve to live in a civilized society.

KharmaDog
Actually, far more homeless people suffer from schizophrenia than you might think, they also might become alcoholics, but it's the mental disorder that put them in a tough situation in the first place.

Alot of homeless people who are also substance abusers were homeless before they became drinkers or huffers or whatever. It's used as a coping mechanism. Not justifying it, just stating what I thought most people recognized.

For anyone who thinks that homeless people are that way because of choice or as a result of substance abuse, I suggest you donate some time at a homeless shelter.

ElectricBugaloo
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I guess it comes down to people who believe alchoholism is a disease.
when you join the 20th century, please tell us.



these people have more than just alcoholism, they also, as someone said, usually suffer schizoprenia or other mental illnesses. No one chooses to be homeless - it happens for outside reasons. No one wants to be homeless.

I've noticed that homeless people seem to be one of the few groups left that people can freely make fun of, belittle, and spout nonsense without being called out on it in our society. THey are no less human because of their psycological problems.

LordSorgo
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Yes because pleasure can only be found at a highly sophisticated intellectual level.

Drop the superiority complex please.


No.... But simple pleasure can be found at a lowly unsophisticated intellectual level, dumbass.

WindDancer
You bash a member like that again LordSorgo and you'll be out for three days.

Linkalicious
Originally posted by LordSorgo
No.... But simple pleasure can be found at a lowly unsophisticated intellectual level, dumbass.

Mayday! Mayday! Earth to Captain Obvious! Earth to Captain Obvious!!! We seem to have hit a gigantic asteroid made of "No shit dumbass!"

PVS
Originally posted by Linkalicious
"No shit dambass!"

i would have suggested an equal warning for you....but then
the question popped in my head "wtf is a dambass"...so i opted not to.

do you mean "damn bass"?

edit: ahhhh, slick move wink

Linkalicious
Yah, I always found a slight problem with creating whole posts in order to point out one typo...

There's an Edit button.


WD doesn't need to "warn" me...I know what happens if I say it again.

PVS
so i guess you're specially priviledged?
so priviledged that you have the right to call someone a name
1 post after a mod warns that person for the exact same thing?
are you part of a special club? if so how can i become a member?

Linkalicious
It's not a matter that I feel deserves further discussion.

The treatment I get is no different than the treatment you or any other member who has been here for an extended period of time. I'm not "untouchable" and by all means I wouldn't be surprised if Lil B dropped a 3 day ban just to prove a point.

call it...a risk I'm willing to take. wink

PVS
oh ok, that makes sense and good luck.
forgive me for my misunderstanding. i was just mislead by this:

"WD doesn't need to "warn" me...I know what happens if I say it again."
which implies that you are allowed one "you're a dumbass" comment as kind of a "get out of jail free card"

LordSorgo
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Mayday! Mayday! Earth to Captain Obvious! Earth to Captain Obvious!!! We seem to have hit a gigantic asteroid made of "No shit dambass!"


I just had to put that back to what you originally said.
laughing out loud

Sorry, WindDancer, but i couldn't resist! wink

grey fox
I believe that bumfights are like fictional violence , when watching it you can be ether disgusted or amused , but when it happens to you your frightened and afraid .

Pandemoniac
It's sick and abusive, the creators are leeches, and the admirers are the lice on their hides. Indulging yourself in this sort of 'entertainment' should be viewed and punished as a crime. The creators deserve a far, far more hellish fate, and I can think of various manners to send their butts into the clutches of the Red Guy himself. Hell will be a relief when I'm done with you b!tches who get of watching the poor and innocent suffer.

grey fox
ok , your opinion has been noted

Pandemoniac
I appreciate that

SlipknoT
Dude, Why do you care so much?

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
when you join the 20th century, please tell us.



these people have more than just alcoholism, they also, as someone said, usually suffer schizoprenia or other mental illnesses. No one chooses to be homeless - it happens for outside reasons. No one wants to be homeless.

I've noticed that homeless people seem to be one of the few groups left that people can freely make fun of, belittle, and spout nonsense without being called out on it in our society. THey are no less human because of their psycological problems.

First off it is the 21st century, so let me know when you join the 21st century. People use that bullshit excuse of alcholism as being a disease to put off blame. Maybe you diddnt know it, but the only thing that can beat alcholism and drug addiction is will power. Is addiction to chocolate a disease? obesity isnt considered a diesease, so why is drug addiction? Drug addicts either dont want to quit or have very little will power. I used every drug under the sun for four years. I diddnt use for four years because i was addicted, i made conscious decesions, i also made a conscious decesion to quit. Next your gonna tell me that there is scientific proof of global warming.

Do you know most homeless people? You say homeless-ness isnt a choice as if i dont know that. Which comes off as though you are belittling my intelligence. I have worked at homeless shelters, i have lived in five major cities. Not in the suburbs, but the city, From my expereince, many homeless people are abled body people. Please stop spewing common sense as though you were the first damn person to have the thought. Everytime i am in the city and a bum approaches me for money to get food. I always tell them i am on my way to get somthing to eat, and offer them to join me. I have done this maybe 20 or thirty times. Most times the person just says no thank you, i was going to get somthing somewhere else. Only four times has someone been humble and said i would appreciate that. On those occasions i give the person some money.

ElectricBugaloo

PVS
Originally posted by SlipknoT
Dude, Why do you care so much?

there but for the grace of god

thats why

it would be the same as laughing while a retarded person is beat up imho. i cant tell you how low my opinion is of people who enjoy this shit.
count your blessings and appreciate them, rather than celebrate the misery of others, or poetic justice just may place you in their shoes one day.

SlipknoT
Originally posted by PVS

it would be the same as laughing while a retarded person is beat up imho. .....This Year there was a retard fight and I took pictures on my phone, It was great laughing

LordSorgo

ragesRemorse
Addicts who quit using drugs do so from a decision. These people who you claim of having the "addict gene" are susceptible of developing an addiction to anything. It still boils down to a conscious decision. It may be harder for these people to refrain from drugs or any other addictive substance, but they still posses every human element of self awareness. You say an addict doens not have the ability to make a conscious decision to quit. So how do they quit, divine intervention? At drug rehabs, one of the first things they tell you, is that you will not quit using unless you want to. Doesnt this negate every god damn theory of addiction being a disease?

As for global warming, i was only using that to show how much of a farce that i believe alcoholism being a disease is. There is no scientific proof that our pollutants is causing global warming. temperatures have only been catalogued for about the last hundred or so years. So what basis are we going off of? Statistics of a hundred years.

I totally agree that the bum fight premise is terrible and immoral, but the bums need to be held accountable as well. Not knowing if the bums in bum fights suffered from a mental illness kind of makes that aspect invalid. I was never trying to belittle the people who actually suffer from legitimate external and internal problems. I do however, believe that many homeless people stay that way because of loss of drive and ambition. that is no excuse.

ElectricBugaloo
Tip: Not all professionals know the answers perfectly or for everything and anything. EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING is flawed. I ain't no professional and even i know that shit.

By that logic, what's the point in arguing anything? By that logic, professionals opinions are no better than a laymans. That logic is stupid.


Yes, everythign is based on a conscious decision (should I have a hamburger or not today?). But the thing is that an alcoholic/drug addict cannot just say, "I want to quit" and quit right there. The declaration is not enough. Obviously admitting that they need to quit is the first step in recovery, anyone who has gone through recovery will tell you that.


This is because addiction is a pyschosomatic disease, it differs from AIDS or other diseases. Just because it is a different type of disease doesn't mean that it isn't one.

ragesRemorse
well, for the sake of argument and repetition. I am inclined to say this is just where we differ. unless you dont like cheese and pickeles, then that would also be an area that we differ.

Bicnarok
The "Happy Slapping" which is big in the Uk at the moment is funnier.

Its where people, mainly youths, randomly attack people and record it on thier Mobile (Cell) Phones and post the videos in the net or send em to friends.

PVS
yes, its funny watching innocent people get ganged up on and attacked isnt it erm

Sadako of Girth
Those people too are f***ing scum.

Bicnarok

Sadako of Girth
Actually... They often DO get ganged up on...

What do you think when you are suddenly punched in the head by someone with 5 or more friends behind them...?

A different thing to if it was just one on one i'll bet...!

And what bothers me most is when its five GUYS watching another GUY punch a GIRL on a bus as has been seen before on these things..

F***ing disgusting... If I ever am there when something like that happens, I'll be beating the shit out of them with no hesitation...

Bicnarok
yeh they do tend to attack weeker people like women, Ive never seen them attack a Mike Tyson kind of person, now that would be worth seeing.

Ive only seen a couple and they were harmless, nevertheless incorrect.

ragesRemorse
One day, those kids are going to slap the wrong person, and get their asses laid out. Now that is the kind of things i want to see.

Sadako of Girth
Spot on....! yes

T.M
my mates love Bum Fights they think it is hilarious. personally i think that it isn't at all funny, and not even the slightest bit entertaining.

i think it is sick to see people who have obviously made lots of money from this taken advantage of the homeless.

Bardock42
I realycouldn't care less......I won't watch it cause....its probably boring...but they can do it if they want so whatever....

The Biker Scout
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Entertainment for the immature or socially retarded.

Agreed.

We have stooped to a " new low "... blink

ragesRemorse
no, that low has always been there. It's just been recoreded now.

PVS
no, the 'low' is not bums fighting. shit happens, misery happens, in life there are victims and victimisers.

the real 'low' is when someone pays others to do it, video tapes it, sells it, and becomes wealthy off it, while the victims are left with enough money to buy a happy meal at best.

PVS
edit: double post

Linkalicious
Too bad the 'low' seems to be a normal business practice in modern society

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