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I always thought this was a good one. Who would win? The Man(or woman) who can create any object as long as he has the will power, or the Man who can absorb all kinds of energy

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Has been done Silver Surfer win

After reading many Gl comics it seems they can be drained pretty easily.

Even without SS is attacks, speed , reaction is much superior

ah ok. Well, i guess that answered that then! thank you

Yes its been done. GL wins.

After seeing Surfer in many comics it seems he has pretty bad endurance.

Dont know who's faster, but GL can also move at FTL speeds.

It depends what GL u r talking about, Hal or Kyle would kill surfer, but ur average Gl would lose

Heh. Two rather definitive-sounding opinions. Good fight, and it could go either way, but I'd give it to Surfer more often than not. And for what it's worth he did win the crossover (I forget which GL it was though).

-DM

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes its been done. GL wins.

After seeing Surfer in many comics it seems he has pretty bad endurance.

Dont know who's faster, but GL can also move at FTL speeds.
pretty bad endurance -- ya when he is fighting when he is drained , not the case here.

faster than light nope , that's why superman was used instead of kyle.

Gl can have human reaction, SS can think at nano seconds, and move that fast.

Plus like I said Gl can be easily drained.

Nothing Gl’s can do

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Heh. Two rather definitive-sounding opinions. Good fight, and it could go either way, but I'd give it to Surfer more often than not. And for what it's worth he did win the crossover (I forget which GL it was though).

-DM

It was a fresh Kyle Raynor, who is not on Hal, Guy or Johns level.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It was a fresh Kyle Raynor, who is not on Hal, Guy or Johns level.
if you by crossover

JLA/avenger Kyle couldn't even take Wonder Man

and Kyle got his ass absorbed

Originally posted by kgkg
pretty bad endurance -- ya when he is fighting when he is drained , not the case here.

faster than light nope , that's why superman was used instead of kyle.

Gl can have human reaction, SS can think at nano seconds, and move that fast.

Plus like I said Gl can be easily drained.

Nothing Gl’s can do

How did he get drained kg? Bad endurance pal. He has shown bad displayes of stamina before.

Yes faster than light. Must we go over this again? This is like out 3rd GL vs Surfer thread. Ive already shown Hal going FTL. If we're talking about Kyle, then it may be another outcome.

Because of the ring, it goves GL faster than Human reaction because of the automatic screen. And its been proven that he could move FTL.

I like Surfer in this match.

I like GL in the other 1000 of this thread

Originally posted by jrodslam
How did he get drained kg? Bad endurance pal. He has shown bad displayes of stamina before.

Yes faster than light. Must we go over this again? This is like out 3rd GL vs Surfer thread. Ive already shown Hal going FTL. If we're talking about Kyle, then it may be another outcome.

Because of the ring, it goves GL faster than Human reaction because of the automatic screen. And its been proven that he could move FTL.
With all his will power , and he can couldn't control himself.

bad endurance? Give me some examples? Not when he was drained?

his endurance is above any Gl , hal has been knocked out by Thor while fighting

Originally posted by kgkg
if you by crossover

JLA/avenger Kyle couldn't even take Wonder Man

and Kyle got his ass absorbed

Yes, and if we go by crossover, Surefer coulnd even drain Kyle the second time. Kyle was whooping that ass. If Surfer could absord, he surely would have done so. But didnt so he cant.

In the Order series, Surfer couldnt even take Wasp and Warbird.

Yes Kyle got absorbed, but he drained the Cosmic Cube instead. Same would happen to Surfer. Dont bring up crossovers.

I like 8bitChris's opinion in all debates.

Travel speed and fight speed are 2 different things. Surfer can travel faster, and might have a slight edge in speed in battle, but it isn't too big of a difference.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes, and if we go by crossover, Surefer coulnd even drain Kyle the second time. Kyle was whooping that ass. If Surfer could absord, he surely would have done so. But didnt so he cant.

In the Order series, Surfer couldnt even take Wasp and Warbird.

Yes Kyle got absorbed, but he drained the Cosmic Cube instead. Same would happen to Surfer. Dont bring up crossovers.
Wasp and Warbird lol

it was his vs Avenger , and still they couldn't take him down

Gl couldn't take Wonder Woman

and Gl's can be absorbed easily

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Travel speed and fight speed are 2 different things. Surfer can travel faster, and might have a slight edge in speed in battle, but it isn't too big of a difference.
SS can also think in nano second , and act that fast if he wants hal can't

Originally posted by kgkg
With all his will power , and he can couldn't control himself.

bad endurance? Give me some examples? Not when he was drained?

his endurance is above any Gl , hal has been knocked out by Thor while fighting

First off, that was Hals first time going light speed.

Other scans have shown him to do it naturally.

Examples of bad endurance? Trying to contain Hulk after 2 min. Thats what drained him.

He was hit by DC's Thors hammer. We dont know if that version was stronger or not.

Surfer on the other hand has been rendered helpless by Storms lightning.

Now you tell me which is more powerful?

Originally posted by kgkg
Wasp and Warbird lol

it was his vs Avenger , and still they couldn't take him down

Gl couldn't take Wonder Woman

and Gl's can be absorbed easily

Did Surfer take out Wasp and Warbird? NO he didnt. Your avoiding the fact.

Wonderman didnt take down Kyle either.

Gl's can be absorbed easily? By who?

Surfer's powers have been absorbed on more than one occasion as well.

Originally posted by jrodslam
First off, that was Hals first time going light speed.

Other scans have shown him to do it naturally.

Examples of bad endurance? Trying to contain Hulk after 2 min. Thats what drained him.

He was hit by DC's Thors hammer. We dont know if that version was stronger or not.

Surfer on the other hand has been rendered helpless by Storms lightning.

Now you tell me which is more powerful?
Try to contain hulk , did you not know what Ss was doing before? lol

DC thor has been shown in Supes/WW is not above marvel thor

Surfer wasn't hurt by Storms lighning and remember he wasn't trying to even hurt storm.

ohhhhhhh bad endurance lol

Originally posted by kgkg
SS can also think in nano second , and act that fast if he wants hal can't

Hals reactions were faster than Flash's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Like i said before, because of the ring Hal's reactions are instant as well.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hals reactions were faster than Flash's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Like i said before, because of the ring Hal's reactions are instant as well.
flash at those time was low mach speed

Originally posted by kgkg
Try to contain hulk , did you not know what Ss was doing before? lol

Surfer was fighting a few bugs earlier in the day kgkg. Thats all. Youre telling me that Surfer was drained from that? That makes it even worse.

Originally posted by kgkg
DC thor has been shown in Supes/WW is not above marvel thor

Prove that.

Originally posted by kgkg
Surfer wasn't hurt by Storms lighning and remember he wasn't trying to even hurt storm.

ohhhhhhh bad endurance lol

Did i say Surfer was hurt by Storms lightning? NO. It rendered him helpless.

Originally posted by kgkg
flash at those time was low mach speed

Low mach speed? No sir. 99% the speed of light. Jay was low mach, in his early days.

few bugs? lol read the issue before that also.


Thor need supes/WW help in battle , and supes was holding thor hammer --- He didn't so well in battles either.


render him useless ? lol was attacked , and he went and grabed Storm

SS can't be hurt by silly shit like that.

Aveneger couldn't k.o him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Low mach speed? No sir. 99% the speed of light. Jay was low mach, in his early days.
lol 99% ?

Flash always tavels at mach speed.

and that scan doesn't show he was keeping up with the flash.

and what speed was the flash moving

Originally posted by kgkg
Try to contain hulk , did you not know what Ss was doing before? lol

This is all Surfer did BEFORE trying to contain Hulk.

Originally posted by jrodslam
This is all Surfer did BEFORE trying to contain Hulk.
Read before that, order was a continuing

That also weakened Strange

Like I showed you SS has constrained hulk with very little effort.

SS doesn’t have low durability infact he was one of the best durability in MU.


-Supernova
-Korvac attack
-Morg attack
-Quasar
-Hulk physical beating
etc

Originally posted by kgkg
lol 99% ?

Flash always tavels at mach speed.

and that scan doesn't show he was keeping up with the flash.

and what speed was the flash moving

Yes Flash always travels at mach speed. Like Mach 150+ Lol.

That scan showed he had faster reaction time than Flash.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes Flash always travels at mach speed. Like Mach 150+ Lol.

That scan showed he had faster reaction time than Flash.
lol mach 150?

that shows Hal can catch flash that's all

mach vs nano

I Dunno if that proves that or not. I mean, GL could sense what was going on in the planet. He has that power. Flash does not. I've always understood it as the Flash is the fastest thing there is, and I think we should give that to him, for if he isnt, that what else does he got?

Originally posted by kgkg
Read before that, order was a continuing

No you need to read before that kg. It was not continuing. They went back to the Citadel(Home). The previous scan showed was the next week.

Originally posted by kgkg
That also weakened Strange

Now youre making up stuff? It did NOT make Strange weak. Strange NEVER stated so. Lol. Nice try.

Originally posted by kgkg
SS doesn’t have low durability infact he was one of the best durability in MU.


-Supernova
-Korvac attack
-Morg attack
-Quasar
-Hulk physical beating
etc

And he also has very bad showings of durability. You mention Hals low times, so its only fair i meantion Surfers low times.

This scan shows Hulk going home. It was not in continuity.

Originally posted by kgkg
lol mach 150?

that shows Hal can catch flash that's all

mach vs nano

Yea, Hal caught Flash before Flash could even react. Right before the explosion.

Hal is more than capable at moving at FTL speeds. Im not going to even argue about that. Its been proven before. Surfer doesnt fight at FTL speeds so i dont even know why you bring it up. They both can move faster, so it is irrelevant.

This scan shows Hulk going home. It was not in continuity.

home?


Read the issue



Where is SS low times , well usually he is drained etc.

Hal has been drained, Gl can be easily drained

SS durability is really high

Hal can’t think nano second, or do any of the attacks SS is capable of without lots of will power.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yea, Hal caught Flash before Flash could even react. Right before the explosion.

Hal is more than capable at moving at FTL speeds. Im not going to even argue about that. Its been proven before. Surfer doesnt fight at FTL speeds so i dont even know why you bring it up. They both can move faster, so it is irrelevant.
lol read the text , he knows the shit is about to blow

Hal with all his will power

Originally posted by HULKFANBOY247
I Dunno if that proves that or not. I mean, GL could sense what was going on in the planet. He has that power. Flash does not. I've always understood it as the Flash is the fastest thing there is, and I think we should give that to him, for if he isnt, that what else does he got?

Flash isnt the fastest thing there is. Running he is. A GL in flight is cappable of moving faster than him. Just as Superman flies faster than he runs. Whenever they race, Superman has to run instead of fly.

Originally posted by kgkg
lol read the text , he knows the shit is about to blow

Hal with all his will power


KgKg the is the same tactic you often employ

Originally posted by kgkg
lol read the text , he knows the shit is about to blow

Hal with all his will power

Lol. Looks like you need to read. I didnt know it was going to blow till the last second.

All his willpower? I didnt see anything about willpower there. Whats your point?

A GL is based off willpower.

Originally posted by kgkg
home?

Yea home. To the Citadel. You do have the series do you? Read it.

Originally posted by kgkg
Read the issue

No. I think you need to. Strange NEVER stated he was weak. Kgkg, i dont know why you cant seem to admit when youre wrong. Instead of making things up. In the whole comic, Strange never once mentioned being weak after trying to contain the Hulk. Even after they battled Nita, She-Hulk and the others.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Low mach speed? No sir. 99% the speed of light. Jay was low mach, in his early days.

Flash was at Mach speeds until rather recently.

Surfer was staggered by Storm's lightning, not "rendered helpless." Quit exaggerating and bending the truth, jrodslam.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. Looks like you need to read. I didnt know it was going to blow till the last second.

All his willpower? I didnt see anything about willpower there. Whats your point?

A GL is based off willpower.

A second is much longer than a nanosecond, no?

Using willpower requires thought. He can only use his willpower as fast as he can think.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. Looks like you need to read. I didnt know it was going to blow till the last second.

All his willpower? I didnt see anything about willpower there. Whats your point?

A GL is based off willpower.
reed what hal say the shit was ticking , meaning it was going to blow up.

anyone can do it. that's not nano second reaction , that's human reaction.


he needs all his willpower to keep up with Silver Surfer speed , and SS still will be faster , and can react much faster.

Originally posted by kgkg
reed what hal say the shit was ticking , meaning it was going to blow up.

anyone can do it. that's not nano second reaction , that's human reaction.


he needs all his willpower to keep up with Silver Surfer speed , and SS still will be faster , and can react much faster.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Where does Hal say it was ticking?

If its human reaction, Hal was faster to react than Flash?

No. I think you need to. Strange NEVER stated he was weak. Kgkg, i dont know why you cant seem to admit when youre wrong. Instead of making things up. In the whole comic, Strange never once mentioned being weak after trying to contain the Hulk. Even after they battled Nita, She-Hulk and the others.
Order 3 : SS gets attacked by entire avenger , note they cannot K.O him
Order 4:
-SS attacks an army in the floating island
- He revert Grey to Green hulk
And it's not like he was on the floor, he just needed to rest.

Note weak silver surfer took on someone like abomination.

and no way SS is getting weak from Hal

Quasar couldn't , Korvac couldn't , morg couldn't


Hal , or any Gl can't even move once drained ( and that takes few sec)

Originally posted by jrodslam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Where does Hal say it was ticking?

If its human reaction, Hal was faster to react than Flash?
WTF was Flash gonna do, fly? Even if he had reacted, how would he save himself? How can you be so sure that Hal reacted before Flash did?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Flash was at Mach speeds until rather recently.Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer was staggered by Storm's lightning, not "rendered helpless." Quit exaggerating and bending the truth, jrodslam.

Surfer was unable to let himself out. He was telling Storm to "Hold!" Thats rendered helpless. He couldnt do anything to get out.

How is that bending the truth or exaggerating Cosmic? Its what happened.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Using willpower requires thought. He can only use his willpower as fast as he can think.

The ring gives him a sort of pre-cog. Thats why his reaction is so fast. Its not all will power. If the ring senses danger, it lets him know.

Originally posted by jrodslam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Where does Hal say it was ticking?

If its human reaction, Hal was faster to react than Flash?
Some kind of reaction is building (note how he is already trying to grab flash)
- He probably knew the shit was going to blow a lot sonner.
- He then tries to grab Flash
- Then he says reaction is building up
- Then Grabs flash

If you think that’s faster / or flash reaction you much be shitting me

1) doesn't say how fast flash was moving / Hal knew the shit was going to blow

, note by then he has his hand near flash already.

What issue was that?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
WTF was Flash gonna do, fly? Even if he had reacted, how would he save himself? How can you be so sure that Hal reacted before Flash did?

Flash could have tried to jump off if he knew.

How can i be so sure Hal reacted before him? Hal was talking. Flash was running, Flash didnt even notice. Hal stopped talking in mid sentence. Flash didnt even know what was going on.

did you read the issue

he says Hold ( to explain himself) lol

he easily beats Wonder Man , And Storms attack has no effect.

Originally posted by kgkg
did you read the issue

he says Hold ( to explain himself) lol

he easily beats Wonder Man , And Storms attack has no effect.

He says hold to explain himself? But couldnt even get himself out? Lol. Ok believe that if you want.

Storms attack has no effect on him? Yet he couldnt even get out. Lol. You kill me sometimes kg. Your Surfer love clearly coulds your judgement.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He says hold to explain himself? But couldnt even get himself out? Lol. Ok believe that if you want.

Storms attack has no effect on him? Yet he couldnt even get out. Lol. You kill me sometimes kg. Your Surfer love clearly coulds your judgement.
Read the issue get out of what?

he grabbed stom while he was attacked.

Where does that show he was hurt? or couldn't get out?

Originally posted by kgkg
Read the issue get out of what?

he grabbed stom while he was attacked.

Where does that show he was hurt? or couldn't get out?





Get out of being attacked.

Where does it show he was hurt? Him saying...."NHNG!" doesnt imply that hes somewhat hurt?

Just as you say Supermans Ahh! means hes hurt right? Logic.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Flash could have tried to jump off if he knew.

How can i be so sure Hal reacted before him? Hal was talking. Flash was running, Flash didnt even notice. Hal stopped talking in mid sentence. Flash didnt even know what was going on.

Are you serious? How the hell was Flash going to jump high enough to be clear of the reaction? You're assuming that he reacted faster than Flash. Even if Flash had reacted, he'd be completely helpless, so you can't assume that.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer was unable to let himself out. He was telling Storm to "Hold!" Thats rendered helpless. He couldnt do anything to get out.

How is that bending the truth or exaggerating Cosmic? Its what happened.

Surfer was staggered by the lightning. Saying "Hold" means that he? He didn't want to kill Storm, so telling her to stop would be the proper thing to do, no? Where was he rendered helpless?

Originally posted by jrodslam
The ring gives him a sort of pre-cog. Thats why his reaction is so fast. Its not all will power. If the ring senses danger, it lets him know.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Get out of being attacked.

Where does it show he was hurt? Him saying...."NHNG!" doesnt imply that hes somewhat hurt?

Just as you say Supermans Ahh! means hes hurt right? Logic.
NHng is hurt? lol ya he was hurt

Read the issue rite after that it's noting it's more like surprised.

And I have already shows such attacks don’t hurt him

Avenger all attacked him at the same time ---- still couldn’t hurt him

As for Gl they been knock out easily

And absorbed easily

Originally posted by jrodslam
Get out of being attacked.

Where does it show he was hurt? Him saying...."NHNG!" doesnt imply that hes somewhat hurt?

Just as you say Supermans Ahh! means hes hurt right? Logic.
'Nghh!' is a sound characters usually make when they are staggered. 'AAAAHHH!' signifies intense pain. Surfer clearly wasn't seriously affected by the lightning.

SS can do that also

so many ways to beat Gl's

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Are you serious? How the hell was Flash going to jump high enough to be clear of the reaction? You're assuming that he reacted faster than Flash. Even if Flash had reacted, he'd be completely helpless, so you can't assume that.

How was Flash going to jump high enough? You see the speed he was running at? If he would have jumped straight out he could have made it to Hal himself.

Assuming he reacted faster than Flah? Not assuming. Thats what he did. If Flash would have reacted, and jumped off, Hal would have caught him. Simple.


Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer was staggered by the lightning. Saying "Hold" means that he? He didn't want to kill Storm, so telling her to stop would be the proper thing to do, no? Where was he rendered helpless?

He told Storm to hold cause he didnt want to kill her? Why would he kill her? Surfer has blasted people plenty of times without killing them. Youre telling me that if he were to blast Storm, to make her stop it would kill her? I think not. Thats a horrible excuse Cosmic.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How was Flash going to jump high enough? You see the speed he was running at? If he would have jumped straight out he could have made it to Hal himself.

Assuming he reacted faster than Flah? Not assuming. Thats what he did. If Flash would have reacted, and jumped off, Hal would have caught him. Simple.




He told Storm to hold cause he didnt want to kill her? Why would he kill her? Surfer has blasted people plenty of times without killing them. Youre telling me that if he were to blast Storm, to make her stop it would kill her? I think not. Thats a horrible excuse Cosmic.

Doesn't matter how fast he's running. Flash's lgs aren't that strong. all of his speed comes from the speed force. Has Flash ever jumped more than a couple feet from the ground?

Let me rephrase that. Surfer didn't want to hurt Storm. The fact that he didn't retalliate offensively certainly does not suggest that he was rendered helpless.

he told her to hold to exlain

that he was trying to heal Wonder Man ( after kicking his ass)

he didn't want to hurt / attack Storm

that scans shows jack shit

Originally posted by jrodslam
He says hold to explain himself? But couldnt even get himself out? Lol. Ok believe that if you want.

Storms attack has no effect on him? Yet he couldnt even get out. Lol. You kill me sometimes kg. Your Surfer love clearly coulds your judgement. A wise man once said, "anti-fanboyism is worse than fanboyism." Another man, who is wise at times, agreed wholeheartedly.

Originally posted by kgkg
SS can do that also

so many ways to beat Gl's

SS has an absorbing feild now? Hmph. Prove that one.

Im sure GL can make one of these as well.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Doesn't matter how fast he's running. Flash's lgs aren't that strong. all of his speed comes from the speed force. Has Flash ever jumped more than a couple feet from the ground?

Let me rephrase that. Surfer didn't want to hurt Storm. The fact that he didn't retalliate offensively certainly does not suggest that he was rendered helpless.

Flash legs arent that strong? He can jump way more than a couple feet off the ground. Try over 50.

GL is a bit more than 50 feet away from Flash, now isnt he?

Originally posted by HULKFANBOY247
GL is a bit more than 50 feet away from Flash, now isnt he?

Doesnt appear so in the 1st 4 pannels now does it. Maybe in the last 2 pannels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ad87c718.jpg

Surfer has been drained easily as well it seems.









Alothough he was able to overload his assailants.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer has been drained easily as well it seems.









Alothough he was able to overload his assailants.
by who ? What issue

He has been absorbed , but he can get his energy back easily.

Gl ain't absorbing SS , by the time he trys to muster or anything he would be on Floor

Originally posted by kgkg
by who ? What issue

He has been absorbed , but he can get his energy back easily.

Gl ain't absorbing SS , by the time he trys to muster or anything he would be on Floor

Undead army. Defenders #3

He get his energy back easily but slowly as shown in previous scans by snoopdogg.

What makes you think GL aint absorbing Surfer? Or even re-directing his energy? You have shown nothing to prove Surfer is faster than GL.

Isn't GL's power finite? doesnt the ring have a set amount of power, and once it's out, he has to recharge for 24 hours? I dont think Kyle is like that, but I know the others are. SS, on the other hand, can absorb gobs and gobs of Cosmic Energy and use it how he chooses. He also has molecular rmanipulation powers, so he could turn GL into an egg and eat him is he wanted :P

Originally posted by HULKFANBOY247
Isn't GL's power finite? doesnt the ring have a set amount of power, and once it's out, he has to recharge for 24 hours? I dont think Kyle is like that, but I know the others are. SS, on the other hand, can absorb gobs and gobs of Cosmic Energy and use it how he chooses. He also has molecular rmanipulation powers, so he could turn GL into an egg and eat him is he wanted :P

Within the 24 hours, GL can do anything he wills possible. ANYTHING.

GL doesnt need to absorb cosmic energy, but can. He they have the power of matter manipulation as well, so that trick wouldnt work on GL. Sorry HULK.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Within the 24 hours, GL can do anything he wills possible. ANYTHING.

GL doesnt need to absorb cosmic energy, but can. He they have the power of matter manipulation as well, so that trick wouldnt work on GL. Sorry HULK.
Both require extreme willpower

And that is not going to affect Silver Surfer

Silver Surfer can do it instantly

Originally posted by jrodslam
Undead army. Defenders #3

He get his energy back easily but slowly as shown in previous scans by snoopdogg.

What makes you think GL aint absorbing Surfer? Or even re-directing his energy? You have shown nothing to prove Surfer is faster than GL.
Did you read the issue ?

SS says his energy returns slowly.

few panel later is energy has returned -------- maybe slow he means in nano second

Did you look at the scans , Gl can be easily defeated by someone who can absorb there energy.

And hal can never match the fire power of Silver surfer

Originally posted by kgkg
Both require extreme willpower

And that is not going to affect Silver Surfer

Silver Surfer can do it instantly

You make no sense. Everythigna GL does requires willpower.

Its instant as well. Just because it required willpower, doesnt mean it isnt instant.

Can you name a time where a GL's will has failed him?

Originally posted by kgkg
Did you read the issue ?

SS says his energy returns slowly.

few panel later is energy has returned -------- maybe slow he means in nano second

Did you look at the scans , Gl can be easily defeated by someone who can absorb there energy.

And hal can never match the fire power of Silver surfer

Did you read my post? I said that it came back easily, but slowly.

Surfer has been defeated on numerous occasions when either drained or by someone draining his energy.

Originally posted by kgkg
And hal can never match the fire power of Silver surfer

What makes you think that?

Going to go see FF. Be back to continue this later.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What makes you think that?

Going to go see FF. Be back to continue this later.

Anything Hal did had extreme will power.

When dragging a city he had to use all his will power.

Gl's has been drained in second, by peepz that can't scratch SS balls

When has Silver Surfer been drained, and not have been able to fight

Even drained Silver Surfer defeated Abomination.

Hal has been knockout with thor , he has failed to make simple construct , anything that he does (big things) he need extreme will power and waste his energy.


now think what would SS do , Suck his energy , that will leave him on the floor , and for Hal to drain SS ( show me issue where he has drained somebody?)

FF ya seen that it's pretty good

GL's can do anything at all that they imagine possible.

Remember when the JLA were in limbo and they fought the fire giant?

The Flashes ran around him, lending him their speedforce, and the nuclear reactions within him sped up...

He collapsed on himself and became a blackhole...

GL willed the Blackhole to transport them through time/space and different dimensions to get back home. Oh - and provided the non-invulnerable members of the team protection against the black holes enormous force.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
GL's can do anything at all that they imagine possible.

Remember when the JLA were in limbo and they fought the fire giant?

The Flashes ran around him, lending him their speedforce, and the nuclear reactions within him sped up...

He collapsed on himself and became a blackhole...

GL willed the Blackhole to transport them through time/space and different dimensions to get back home. Oh - and provided the non-invulnerable members of the team protection against the black holes enormous force.
Not anything

They have limitation, the better the task more will power, and time is needed

by that time SS would kill them

and you know Zephro how easily peepz has absorbed Gl energy and made them useless

You're right, they can be absorbed.

It does depend a lot on the GL.

Someone who's hot on the ticket like Hal'd stand a good chance of pulling this off.

I'd say that GL easily has the power to do this.....

But that Surfer is more likely to as his power is more readily accessable...

Originally posted by kgkg
by who ? What issue

He has been absorbed , but he can get his energy back easily.

Gl ain't absorbing SS , by the time he trys to muster or anything he would be on Floor

Hulk 366 check it

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Hulk 366 check it
what about it?

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
You're right, they can be absorbed.

It does depend a lot on the GL.

Someone who's hot on the ticket like Hal'd stand a good chance of pulling this off.

I'd say that GL easily has the power to do this.....

But that Surfer is more likely to as his power is more readily accessable...
yep check it out

#1

#2

#3

his own energy used against him

Wow! Was that Captain Marvel he was fighting against? I know she can control energy, but I didn't know it extended to cosmic energy too!

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Wow! Was that Captain Marvel he was fighting against? I know she can control energy, but I didn't know it extended to cosmic energy too!
That’s kyle --- he is dead, can't match Silver Surfer

Hal is the main guy is debating about.

As you can see Gl can easily be drained, and after than they are helpless.

Am still waiting when a Gl has drained anybody?

Originally posted by kgkg
Anything Hal did had extreme will power.

When dragging a city he had to use all his will power.

So what. Whats your point? Hal has also moved planets on several occasions. Has Surfer ever moved planets? Has he even dragged a city?

Originally posted by kgkg
Gl's has been drained in second, by peepz that can't scratch SS balls

Show when a GL has been drained in a second.

Originally posted by kgkg
When has Silver Surfer been drained, and not have been able to fight

Defenders #8

Originally posted by kgkg
Even drained Silver Surfer defeated Abomination.

But then got knocked out by Namorita.

Originally posted by kgkg
anything that he does (big things) he need extreme will power and waste his energy.

GL's never waste energy. Within the 24 hours the energy is unlimited. Know GL before you speak.

Originally posted by kgkg
now think what would SS do , Suck his energy , that will leave him on the floor , and for Hal to drain SS ( show me issue where he has drained somebody?)

Hal isnt dumb enough to let Surfer drain his energy. Black Hand is a genius inventor. Surfer isnt as smart as he.

Kilowog drains the life energy from 16 billion people. Thats the whole planet by the way.

If you notice Photon couldnt drain Kyle at first. It took time. She was trying to duplicate the energy pattern. I see you like posting crossovers ehh?

Surfer sure wasnt draining here.

Surfer drowning in a pool of energy. Wheres the absorption?

Looks like theres alot of that going around.

When has Surfer been drained and not been able to fight back? Right here pal.

Surfers reaction time and absorption.

More Surfer absorbing energy.

Gl draing someone

Kilowog draining the whole planets life energy.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/81035d01.jpg

Can Surfer stop someone from draining his life energy? Doubt it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Gl draing someone
there own oan energy lol

Originally posted by kgkg
there own oan energy lol

And Surfers along with it. lol.

Originally posted by jrodslam
More Surfer absorbing energy.
Not absorbing doesn't mean he can't he has absorbed energy lots of times.

bloodlust

Originally posted by jrodslam
And Surfers along with it. lol.
Surfer? where? did a Gl absorb Surfer?

Originally posted by kgkg
Not absorbing doesn't mean he can't he has absorbed energy lots of times.

bloodlust

Same goes for GL. Insead of absorbing all the time, he re-directs energy or changes the wavelength.

Originally posted by kgkg
Surfer? where? did a Gl absorb Surfer?

You did read the crossover didnt you? Hal absorbed Surfer.

Originally posted by jrodslam
So what. Whats your point? Hal has also moved planets on several occasions. Has Surfer ever moved planets? Has he even dragged a city?



Show when a GL has been drained in a second.



Defenders #8



But then got knocked out by Namorita.



GL's never waste energy. Within the 24 hours the energy is unlimited. Know GL before you speak.



Hal isnt dumb enough to let Surfer drain his energy. Black Hand is a genius inventor. Surfer isnt as smart as he.

Kilowog drains the life energy from 16 billion people. Thats the whole planet by the way.

Surfer doesn't have the means to drag a city... He doesn't use constructs. He can certainly blow up cities and planets though.

Captain Marvel drained GL pretty fast in that scan once she had the energy signature... But cosmic awareness bypasses that step.

The rings don't run out of energy, but using all of that concentration and such can physically wear out the person controlling the ring.

It doesn't matter if Hal wants his energy drained or not, Surfer is taking it from him. Surfer doesn't need to invent something to steal Hal's energy if his powers let him do it.

If I'm thinking of the instance that you are... Kilowog didn't drain 16 billion people. His ring couldn't tell the difference between Kilowog and the 16 billion beings just like him on his home planet. The planet exploded, the automatic life saving thing turned on and almost succeeded in saving Kilowog's entire race... It actually took their souls and stored it in the ring.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You did read the crossover didnt you? Hal absorbed Surfer.
Silver Surfer gave Parralax his powers

Parralax not normal GL

Originally posted by Dizzle
Surfer doesn't have the means to drag a city... He doesn't use constructs. He can certainly blow up cities and planets though.

Captain Marvel drained GL pretty fast in that scan once she had the energy signature... But cosmic awareness bypasses that step.

The rings don't run out of energy, but using all of that concentration and such can physically wear out the person controlling the ring.

It doesn't matter if Hal wants his energy drained or not, Surfer is taking it from him. Surfer doesn't need to invent something to steal Hal's energy if his powers let him do it.

If I'm thinking of the instance that you are... Kilowog didn't drain 16 billion people. His ring couldn't tell the difference between Kilowog and the 16 billion beings just like him on his home planet. The planet exploded, the automatic life saving thing turned on and almost succeeded in saving Kilowog's entire race... It actually took their souls and stored it in the ring.
u know your stuff

Why thank you kindly good sir.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You did read the crossover didnt you? Hal absorbed Surfer.

Does the crossover matter? Surfer gave his power to Parralax. He didn't get absorbed.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Surfer doesn't have the means to drag a city... He doesn't use constructs. He can certainly blow up cities and planets though.

So can Hal. Nothing new.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Captain Marvel drained GL pretty fast in that scan once she had the energy signature... But cosmic awareness bypasses that step.

Yea, and Kyle absorbed the Cosmic Cube even quicker.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The rings don't run out of energy, but using all of that concentration and such can physically wear out the person controlling the ring.

Thats what the pros are for. Surfer has been worn out on numerous occasions by using his energy.

Originally posted by Dizzle
It doesn't matter if Hal wants his energy drained or not, Surfer is taking it from him. Surfer doesn't need to invent something to steal Hal's energy if his powers let him do it.

Same can be said aobut GL. Whats Surfer going to do when GL stops time?

Originally posted by Dizzle
If I'm thinking of the instance that you are... Kilowog didn't drain 16 billion people. His ring couldn't tell the difference between Kilowog and the 16 billion beings just like him on his home planet. The planet exploded, the automatic life saving thing turned on and almost succeeded in saving Kilowog's entire race... It actually took their souls and stored it in the ring.

Actually the ring was going to absorb the bodies as well. It was just too much to absorb 16 billion bodies. That would have been to much for the ring. So it took the life energies instead.

Originally posted by kgkg
Silver Surfer gave Parralax his powers

Parralax not normal GL


Surfer extended his hand. Parallax took the power. He wasnt even full-power. And he still had the power of a GL.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer extended his hand. Parallax took the power. He wasnt even full-power. And he still had the power of a GL.

In other words, Surfer put his hand in Parallax's, and gave him his power. What you just did, jrodslam, is bending the truth. You made it sound like Parallax forcefully took Surfer's Power. Parallax asked for it first.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Does the crossover matter? Surfer gave his power to Parralax. He didn't get absorbed.

Surfer said "How do we accomplish what you intend?" Parallax then said "Simply give me your hand."

Surfer never released and energy. Parallax took it right from the sourse. Same as Thanos.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer extended his hand. Parallax took the power. He wasnt even full-power. And he still had the power of a GL.
Not a GL

Parallax is not your average GL

how me where hal has absorbed energy out of someone ?
or energy? Sunlight is all you got?

I have shown you three scans of Gl’s gettin owned by that technique, people that are not at SS level of energy manipulation

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
In other words, Surfer put his hand in Parralax's, and gave him his power. What you just did, jrodslam, is bending the truth.

No. It was the other way around. Parallax put his hand on Surfers and took.

How am i bending the truth? Dont you have the book?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer said "How do we accomplish what you intend?" Parallax then said "Simply give me your hand."

Surfer never released and energy. Parallax took it right from the sourse. Same as Thanos.

...And Surfer gave him his energy.

When did Thanos drain Surfer?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats what the pros are for. Surfer has been worn out on numerous occasions by using his energy.



Same can be said aobut GL. Whats Surfer going to do when GL stops time?



Actually the ring was going to absorb the bodies as well. It was just too much to absorb 16 billion bodies. That would have been to much for the ring. So it took the life energies instead.

Never said Surfer could fight forever. But since large blasts and such would wear out Hal, but the same blasts would not tire Surfer as much, we can say that Surfer would have either much better stamina or much more power than Hal.

GL can only stop time in an area, the time stop is projected in front of him. Surfer is way the hell too fast to get hit by it.

The ring was trying to save their lives, not absorb their power. It was not powerful enough to save their bodies, so it simply took their souls. Not the same as draining the power cosmic for Silver Surfer.

Also, I'm pretty sure GL constructs are solidified light, which is something Surfer should then be able to absorb. (just cuz he didn't in a crossover doesn't mean he can't)

Originally posted by kgkg
Not a GL

Parallax is not your average GL

how me where hal has absorbed energy out of someone ?
or energy? Sunlight is all you got?

I have shown you three scans of Gl’s gettin owned by that technique, people that are not at SS level of energy manipulation


Parallax wasnt even full powered in the crossover. Kyle could have beat him himself.

You showed 3 scans of GL getting owned by that technique, but ive showed multiple scans of Surfer not absorbing everyones energy. GL isnt based off absorbing ones energies. He uses different techniques like controling, rearanging and redirecting. Just because they dont always do it doesnt mean they cant.

How do you know that Photon isnt on Surfers level of energy manipulation? Assumptions?

Originally posted by jrodslam
No. It was the other way around. Parallax put his hand on Surfers and took.

How am i bending the truth? Dont you have the book?

Yeah, I do. Surfer clearly gave Parralax his power cosmic. If Surfer didn't want him to have his power, and Parallax just took it, that would be different.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Never said Surfer could fight forever. But since large blasts and such would wear out Hal, but the same blasts would not tire Surfer as much, we can say that Surfer would have either much better stamina or much more power than Hal.

GL can only stop time in an area, the time stop is projected in front of him. Surfer is way the hell too fast to get hit by it.

The ring was trying to save their lives, not absorb their power. It was not powerful enough to save their bodies, so it simply took their souls. Not the same as draining the power cosmic for Silver Surfer.

Also, I'm pretty sure GL constructs are solidified light, which is something Surfer should then be able to absorb. (just cuz he didn't in a crossover doesn't mean he can't)
keep this up and I will retire

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
...And Surfer gave him his energy.

When did Thanos drain Surfer?

Hal took it.

And I was reffering to Thanos taking from Kyle.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Parallax wasnt even full powered in the crossover. Kyle could have beat him himself.

You showed 3 scans of GL getting owned by that technique, but ive showed multiple scans of Surfer not absorbing everyones energy. GL isnt based off absorbing ones energies. He uses different techniques like controling, rearanging and redirecting. Just because they dont always do it doesnt mean they cant.

How do you know that Photon isnt on Surfers level of energy manipulation? Assumptions?

Now showing Surfer not absorbing someone's energy proves that he can't? What kind of logic is that?

I think kgkg's asking when have they ever drained someone.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Parallax wasnt even full powered in the crossover. Kyle could have beat him himself.

You showed 3 scans of GL getting owned by that technique, but ive showed multiple scans of Surfer not absorbing everyones energy. GL isnt based off absorbing ones energies. He uses different techniques like controling, rearanging and redirecting. Just because they dont always do it doesnt mean they cant.

How do you know that Photon isnt on Surfers level of energy manipulation? Assumptions?
SS powers has effected entire planets, he has rebuild cities (building etc) , evolved a planet , shielded a planet , used his cosmic powers to heal the planet

That’s why and ya turned peepz to stone, and rocks to gas with no effort

GL often "musters all of his willpower" to do things that Surfer does casually.

Originally posted by kgkg
keep this up and I will retire


Sorry sir... (works faster)

Originally posted by Dizzle
Never said Surfer could fight forever. But since large blasts and such would wear out Hal, but the same blasts would not tire Surfer as much, we can say that Surfer would have either much better stamina or much more power than Hal.

GL can only stop time in an area, the time stop is projected in front of him. Surfer is way the hell too fast to get hit by it.

The ring was trying to save their lives, not absorb their power. It was not powerful enough to save their bodies, so it simply took their souls. Not the same as draining the power cosmic for Silver Surfer.

Also, I'm pretty sure GL constructs are solidified light, which is something Surfer should then be able to absorb. (just cuz he didn't in a crossover doesn't mean he can't)

What large blasts wear out Hal? Can you show that? Wasting minor energies wear out Surfer. You only assume Surfer would have more stamina asn much more power. Wheres the proof of that?

Gl can only stop time in an area? No sir. It was done to the whole planet. Then heroes were teleporteds to him.

Youre right. The ring was trying to save their lives. But because the bodies were too much in number, it took the life energies instead. Surfers life energies would get drained as well. As shown when hes weak, hes as good as dead.

I never said Surfer cant drain the constructs. I was implying that GL would be able to control surfers blasts as well as absorb.

Running into Galactus's barrier wears out Surfer. He's never been drained from full power by anything less.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Now showing Surfer not absorbing someone's energy proves that he can't? What kind of logic is that?

I think kgkg's asking when have they ever drained someone.


Show me wher GL tried to drain someone and failed or control energies and failed.

I dont own every GL comic, but like i said controlling rearanging and redirecting energy is more of a frequent use than absorbing. But they can.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Show me wher GL tried to drain someone and failed or control energies and failed.

I dont own every GL comic, but like i said controlling rearanging and redirecting energy is more of a frequent use than absorbing. But they can.

I can't show you that, because I've never seen it happen. When has GL ever tried to drain someone of their energy?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Running into Galactus's barrier wears out Surfer. He's never been drained from full power by anything less.

Really? Well the 2 scans im going to post is way less than Galactus's barrier. And he was drained from that.

1.

Thats all he did and it left him drained.

2.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I can't show you that, because I've never seen it happen. When has GL ever tried to drain someone of their energy?

Against an energy based opponent, all i can give you is the crossover in which he drains both Thanos and Parallax.

Like i said. I dont own all GL comics, but all types of energy in the magnetic spectrum can be controled by all GL's

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats all he did and it left him drained.

2.
Let’s see

-getting attack by the avengers in last issue
-defeating bunch of monster
-Turing Grey hulk to Green
-Attacking hulk

He was still able to move he was weakened and needed energy, he can heal pretty fast.

Hal was nearly dead while trying to build simple construct and don’t forget the yellow weakness, they can overcome it now but still a weakness

Originally posted by jrodslam
Against an energy based opponent, all i can give you is the crossover in which he drains both Thanos and Parallax.

Like i said. I dont own all GL comics, but all types of energy in the magnetic spectrum can be controled by all GL's
If they haven't done it than you can't say they can.

Crossover absorbed oan energy.

Many times there energy got jacked they couldn’t get it back

Originally posted by kgkg
Let’s see

-getting attack by the avengers in last issue
-defeating bunch of monster
-Turing Grey hulk to Green
-Attacking hulk

He was still able to move he was weakened and needed energy, he can heal pretty fast.

Hal was nearly dead while trying to build simple construct and don’t forget the yellow weakness, they can overcome it now but still a weakness

-Getting attacked by the avengers was days earlier.

-Defeating the monters was hours earlier. PLUS it was Surfer and Strange who together disposed of the rest of the monsters.

-Turning Greg Hulk to green? Strange was doing all the work. As shown Surfer hardly did anything.

Attacking Hulk - All Surfer did was about 3 blasts and a grab of the arm. And that drained him.

Show when Hal was nearly dead when trying to make a "simple construct" And Hal has overcome the yellow weakness on multiple occasions.

Originally posted by kgkg
If they haven't done it than you can't say they can.

Crossover absorbed oan energy.

Many times there energy got jacked they couldn’t get it back

Crossover he absorbed Surfers energy from Parallax as well.

Same could be said about Surfer. Many times he wasnt able to get it back unless he got sleep or rest. GL has to recharge as well. Same thing. Though a GL charge takes about 6 seconds. Surfer was sleep about an hour.

Originally posted by jrodslam
-Getting attacked by the avengers was days earlier.

-Defeating the monters was hours earlier. PLUS it was Surfer and Strange who together disposed of the rest of the monsters.

-Turning Greg Hulk to green? Strange was doing all the work. As shown Surfer hardly did anything.

Attacking Hulk - All Surfer did was about 3 blasts and a grab of the arm. And that drained him.

Show when Hal was nearly dead when trying to make a "simple construct" And Hal has overcome the yellow weakness on multiple occasions.
Where did you get days earlier?

- They still battle the defeated the monsters (who know what they been doing before)
- SS did his share

Like I said he was weakened , I have shown silver surfer get his energy back quickly by absorbing energy around him.

More than what I can say about Gl’s

i posted scans he was trying to make something he failed

has over come , but still a weakness that SS can use

even Polaris jacked Hal's ring , and stole his energy

Originally posted by kgkg
Where did you get days earlier?

- They still battle the defeated the monsters (who know what they been doing before)
- SS did his share

Like I said he was weakened , I have shown silver surfer get his energy back quickly by absorbing energy around him.

More than what I can say about Gl’s

i posted scans he was trying to make something he failed

has over come , but still a weakness that SS can use

- Order #3, Hulk says hes going back to the Citadel(home)

- Order #4, After defeating the monsters, Namor says its the first danger spot they have been to in over a week. The last danger stop was in Order #3

- SS did his share? Hardly.

- You have shown Surfer get his energy back, but he also stated that it "comes back to slowly.".

- GL absorbing energy doesnt power himself up like it does Surfer. Therefore even if he did, it wouldnt give him energy. Hed just absorb and contain it. Only thing that powers GL is the battery.

- You never post a scan where Hal tried to make something and failed. If so post again cause i didnt see it.

Originally posted by kgkg
even Polaris jacked Hal's ring , and stole his energy

And the Kree jacked Surfers energy and kept him hostage.

When absorbing energy from the Earth's environment, his power returns slowly. When near a source of power, like the sun, he recharges in seconds, or less.

Originally posted by kgkg
even Polaris jacked Hal's ring , and stole his energy

And Hal got it back and still beat him lol.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
When absorbing energy from the Earth's environment, his power returns slowly. When near a source of power, like the sun, he recharges in seconds, or less.

Same goes for GL and his power battery. Except he doesnt power up from people and his environment.

Fight with abomination he says his energy returns slowly panels later his enregy is back slowly seconds maybe.

Other times when he was weekend by the Cosmic Bomb, again he got his energy quickly , Ss can absorb energy to restore his energy back.

Why he didn't in Order is beyond me, maybe the plot needed him to be weak so that he can be stabbed.

Like I have said if Gl’s get absorbed they are next to dead, SS can still get his powers back quickly and even drained surfer has defeated hulk level beings.

And Hal draining surfer is highly unlike you haven't even showed any proof of that.

If he couldn’t why didn’t he get his energies back when it got jacked?


Here is the scan again

Originally posted by jrodslam
And Hal got it back and still beat him lol.
Because he is a hero , hero always win at last.

SS is also a hero

The point is he was easily jacked

Originally posted by kgkg
Why he didn't in Order is beyond me, maybe the plot needed him to be weak so that he can be stabbed.

Like I have said if Gl’s get absorbed they are next to dead, SS can still get his powers back quickly and even drained surfer has defeated hulk level beings.

And Hal draining surfer is highly unlike you haven't even showed any proof of that.

If he couldn’t why didn’t he get his energies back when it got jacked?


Here is the scan again

Surfer wasnt stabbed cause he was weak. He would have been stabbed regardless.

GL would never be funny drained. The ring wont allow it. IT has stored energy that cant be drained. So i guess GL isnt as good as dead.

Surfer has beaten Hulk level beings while drained but there are times hes been defeated by lesser beings. And not even drained sometimes.

Hal draining Surfer isnt highly unlikely. His powers are along the same line as Quasar, and hes don it. And Hal is more powerful than Quasar, so it is highly likely.

From that scan it looks like Hal didnt fail to make the construct. Whats the reason of him struggling?

This is way bigger than the prongs he made in your scan. And no struggles. He made an entire city.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/e3a97a34.jpg

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer wasnt stabbed cause he was weak. He would have been stabbed regardless.

GL would never be funny drained. The ring wont allow it. IT has stored energy that cant be drained. So i guess GL isnt as good as dead.

Surfer has beaten Hulk level beings while drained but there are times hes been defeated by lesser beings. And not even drained sometimes.

Hal draining Surfer isnt highly unlikely. His powers are along the same line as Quasar, and hes don it. And Hal is more powerful than Quasar, so it is highly likely.

From that scan it looks like Hal didnt fail to make the construct. Whats the reason of him struggling?

This is way bigger than the prongs he made in your scan. And no struggles. He made an entire city.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/e3a97a34.jpg
How can you make such a statement on no grounds? Surfer was weak, but how can you say he would have been stabbed at full power, with no supporting evidence?

When has Surfer been defeated by a being less powerful than Hulk?

Who says Hal is more powerful than Quasar? Quasar doesn't have to use willpower, and he has limitless amounts of energy.

Isn't that a planet in the prongs Hal made? How do you figure a city is bigger?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
How can you make such a statement on no grounds? Surfer was weak, but how can you say he would have been stabbed at full power, with no supporting evidence?

When has Surfer been defeated by a being less powerful than Hulk?

Who says Hal is more powerful than Quasar? Quasar doesn't have to use willpower, and he has limitless amounts of energy.

Isn't that a planet in the prongs Hal made? How do you figure a city is bigger?

Silver Surfer Annual 5 1992.

Kree Defenders #8

Hal is more powerful than Quasar. Feats show it. Unless you can prove otherwise. Quasar has to concentrate to use the q-bands. The more he concentrates the more stonger the construct.

If thats a planet, its pretty small. None the less hes moved planets before with ease.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/e3a97a34.jpg

The girls were looking for an opportunity to get SS, that's why they tried it when he was weak/ sleeping



What do you mean by fully? Drained enough to be lying on the ground helpless few times (from people that are much weaker than SS)


True---never truly defeated since he gets his energy back in seconds, when not drained ------------ never, getting hit and getting hurt is two different things.

He has defeated Hulk, Abo , Rhino etc easily with no sweat when trying


Quasar can instantly draw energy out of any source (he doesn't even need to make contact) Hal has never done such things, that I know of ------- you should show me if am wrong


I don't know he was trying to make it all of the sudden he stars saying all that bullshit, doesn't really matter tho

Am not saying he can't his powers are based on will power so him failing is no big surprise either, I have also seen people messed with his mind

Originally posted by jrodslam
Silver Surfer Annual 5 1992.


A sword made of SS , and other energy powering it up

Originally posted by kgkg
A sword made of SS , and other energy powering it up

Wow. So that's why it stabbed him. Tsk, tsk. I thought you were better than that jrodslam.