Disturbing Article on Islam in Britan

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manny321
Its a good read.



A defiant Islam rises among young Britons By James Brandon, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
Mon Jul 11, 4:00 AM ET



LONDON - Thursday's coordinated terrorist attacks that killed at least 49 people have underscored competing forces within Britain's Muslim community: a minority that advocates violence against Western targets, and those who want to coexist peacefully with Britain's multifaith, multiethnic society.


Since the bombings, the media and Muslims have been at pains to explain that most of the country's 2 million Muslims are peaceful. "The Muslim community in Britain has a long history and is enormously diverse," says Anas al-Tikriti, a member of the Muslim Association of Britain.

But the attacks are turning attention to the increasing numbers of young British Muslims who are rejecting their parents' traditional culture in favor of a radical and expansionist Islam. This strikingly Western version of Islam combines an independence of thought with a contempt for established traditional scholarship and a theme of teenage rebellion.

"Getting involved in radical Islam is an emotional thing rather than a rational decision," says Abdul-Rahman al-Helbawi, a Muslim prayer leader. "And it's not a matter of intelligence or education - a lot of these radicals in Britain are very well-educated."

In Dalston market in north-east London on Thursday, "Abdullah," a Muslim watch-mender and evangelist, was in a pugnacious mood.

"We don't need to fight. We are taking over!" he said. "We are here to bring civilization to the West. England does not belong to the English people, it belongs to God."

Two days later in a prosperous West London cafe, Mr. Helbawi pondered the attacks. "It's not a surprise but I am still shocked," he said. "How can they do this? London is a city for all the world. This is not Islam."

Hours after the bombings, Helbawi logged onto an Internet chat room run by British Muslim extremists. "They were all congratulating each other on the attacks," he said. "It was crazy. They were talking about how they had won a great victory over the infidels, as if they had just come back from a battle."

Although so far, there is no evidence that British Muslims were involved in the bombs, there is little doubt that many British Muslims feel that Britain "deserved" the attacks for supporting the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Because Muslims explain the conflicts in Iraq, Kashmir, and Israel through Islam, every Muslim feels involved," said Helbawi. "People watch television and see Palestinian women being hit and pushed around by Israeli soldiers, and get angry and feel that they have to do something."

But beyond anger, a sense of alienation often drives radical Islam. Many second- and third-generation immigrants find themselves cut off not only from their parents' cultures but also from a British one that includes alcohol and looser sexual mores.

"If you don't drink, it really cuts you off from English society," says Ummul Choudhury, a London-based Middle East analyst for the Gulf Centre for Strategic Studies. "The view of the older generation is also that you do not integrate. If you do, you are told you are betraying your culture and religion."

The resulting isolation makes it easier for young Muslims to develop a contempt for British society.

"There is also a lot of racism toward white British people," says Ms. Choudhury. "It's not really something that people want to talk about, but there are definitely some things that Muslims say between themselves that they would never say in front of white people."

For frustrated and isolated young Muslims, radical Islam is not difficult to find. Girls in particular are often prevented from going out at night and can be easily drawn into online Muslim communities where they come into contact with other disillusioned Muslims from across Europe.

One leading analyst of the Islamic diaspora even compares the lure of extremist Islam to 1950s teens listening to Elvis in an attempt to shock their parents. "The son of a Pentecostal preacher in Brixton was recruited by the radical Muslims," says Nadhim Shehadi, acting head of the Middle East program at Chatham House.

"This young man initially tried to upset his parents by becoming a rapper," says Shehadi. "But when his parents stopped objecting, he became a jihadi instead."

The antiestablishment nature of this new Islam and its apparent status as an alternative to capitalism and secularism is also winning converts among native Britons.

"People come to Islam from all walks of life. It's not just middle-class people but also electricians, judges, and taxi drivers," says Sara Joseph, the editor of "Emel," a lifestyle magazine for Muslim women, who converted to Islam at age 17. "The main catalyst for conversion is often going out with a Muslim, although the primary factor is usually a search for spirituality."

While the estimated 1,000 British Christians, atheists, and members of other faiths who convert to Islam every year are often attracted by Islam's clearly defined teachings, this minor trend is overshadowed by Muslims' highbirth and immigration rates, which tomany Muslims promises increased political and social influence in the future.

Indeed, taking advantage of Britain's rapidly expanding and increasingly Muslim population are new parties that aim to promote ethnic and religious agendas. One is Respect, a left-wing party founded by former Labour MP George Galloway, that aims to unite Muslims and socialists around opposition to American foreign policy and globalization.

Linked to the desire for increased political power are attempts by some radical Muslims to begin a process of Islamicizing British cities.

Last month, Muslim groups in Glasgow petitioned the City Council to ban an Italian restaurant from serving alcohol to diners seated at outside tables. Hospitals in Leicester considered banning Bibles from hospital wards to avoid offending Muslim patients. In Birmingham, a group called Muslims Against Advertising began a campaign of painting over billboards that they deemed offensive to Islam - targeting ads for Levi's jeans, perfume, and lingerie.

But these small campaigns are polarizing public opinion along ethnic and religious lines - and creating support for Britain's far-right groups, who present themselves as defenders of Britain's hard-won freedoms
A defiant Islam rises among young Britons By James Brandon, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
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mr.smiley
I remember Islamic extreamist protesting in Europe burning an American flag.They should have done something then because they where helping us in this war.But who am I to judge.Life is lost and something must be done to make sure this never happens again.

manny321
Muslims are good people but the few bad apples are really really bad apples. I think you understand. Whoever is radical is very into that stuff.

Now i have a story of a Muslim radical only 15 years at our high school a few years back here Outside Toronto Canada.

I am brown person but not even close to being muslim however i have some muslim friends. Most of them are normal and are nice people but whenever a discussion comes to Bush, Terrorism and Islam its like you talk to another person however many people in Canada are very passionate when talking about bush in a negative way. cool

Then there is another guy not a friend who believes that his radical views should be same for all of society. He says women are useless should not be aloud in politics. He was most upset when a brown Woman won as a member of Parliament of our area. Weird ones as well like when he brags on about how he will have three virgin wife's when he is older and he will screw them all day long. Yes a true muslim would say those things. roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic) roll eyes (sarcastic)
Most Weird when he yelled at a muslim girl for wearing shorts. I yelled him down saying your an idiot. He says God will punish me for supporting the west. Also He says he goes mad when he See's "Brown" girls in revealing clothing. He then one time told me Muslims will rule the world and Western society is the cause of all evil in the world. Then he talked about the bible being false and one time a priest was giving out bibles close to our school and he yelled at the poor man for 20 mins saying how dare he subjects lies to people's faces and talked about the Bible and all being fake of course.
I then looked at him for a min and then walked away shocked that time. Then i told 2 muslims friends and us three and the radical all the decided to have a "talk" at lunch in the High school table in the library and we all three let loose at him. We were calm and we all were saying where does it say all other religions are wrong in the Koran. I then talked about the Curseder Muslim leader Saladin and how he was so kind to the Christians and other people in war. He then got up and yelled Saladin is a traitor to Islam. My white friend overheard us and then said us "Christians don't think the same and all of those thoughts were gone 800 years ago." Then the radical said the bible is the false testament and how the koran is the right one. Almost The whole library was looking at us and i said "believe in whatever you want but you will never make us believe in that crap." He left out yelling god was great and us three looked at each other puzzled . HE then had a following of two muslim guys and he talks every lunch about his ideas. roll eyes (sarcastic) I met his dad and he is such the opposite. Its like like tomato and a banana. laughing He now is in the UK and said to be part of a radical groups. How do i know his?His dad lives on our street is so upset that his son has left him. Poor man, he was expecting his son to be lawyer like him. sad

botankus
Originally posted by manny321
Also He says he goes mad when he See's "Brown" girls in revealing clothing.

I already think I'm a better man than the person manny's quoting. That particular attitude is something I will NEVER adopt! wink

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by manny321
Its a good read.



A defiant Islam rises among young Britons By James Brandon, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
Mon Jul 11, 4:00 AM ET

It is a good read, and if it weren't the UK, then the guy would actually have valid points. That's one of the great things about the UK. And granted, my opinion and experiences there are mine alone, on top of th efact that I'm not a citizen. But, I have noticed that London particularly, is among the most accepting and diverse cities in the world. However, were this guy to stand up in teh US and say the same things, he wouldn't be all that far off from many christian groups. In reading the article, you get the impression that the writer is outraged by some of the requests made by the muslim population of these British communities. However, christians in this country have been doing exactly the same for years. I understand that the author is British, and rightly outraged by their requests. But he really should be less bothered by the situation. In this country we wouldn't call them extremists, we'd call them a white house administration.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It is a good read, and if it weren't the UK, then the guy would actually have valid points. That's one of the great things about the UK. And granted, my opinion and experiences there are mine alone, on top of th efact that I'm not a citizen. But, I have noticed that London particularly, is among the most accepting and diverse cities in the world. However, were this guy to stand up in teh US and say the same things, he wouldn't be all that far off from many christian groups. In reading the article, you get the impression that the writer is outraged by some of the requests made by the muslim population of these British communities. However, christians in this country have been doing exactly the same for years. I understand that the author is British, and rightly outraged by their requests. But he really should be less bothered by the situation. In this country we wouldn't call them extremists, we'd call them a white house administration.

As a Londoner I agree. big grin

manny321
That guys gets mad when he see girls in revealing clothing but brags about how will marry three wifes.

Dagons Blade
Originally posted by manny321
That guys gets mad when he see girls in revealing clothing but brags about how will marry three wifes.

Basically the same old same old, "I have the dick, I make the rules." And if this hypocrisy isn't apparent, then I don't know what to say. The guys's an A-hole first class.

One thing this article points to though-as one of you said earlier, BAD apples are really BAD apples. Despite London and England at large being a very diverse and tolerant culture, there are those who don't want it that way. And these are the guys we need to fight. They won't stop so they have to be stopped. The same with every religion, the idiots spoil the milk for everyone else.

"In Dalston market in north-east London on Thursday, "Abdullah," a Muslim watch-mender and evangelist, was in a pugnacious mood.

"We don't need to fight. We are taking over!" he said. "We are here to bring civilization to the West. England does not belong to the English people, it belongs to God."

Say no more. Here's a guy using his alleged power to act and speak in the name of God to legitimize Islamic control of a nation because HE thinks God dosen't agree with it's seemingly strong racial harmony.

If a-holes could fly, these guys would have master pilots wings..

cking
the terrorists were just trying to get their attention.

maham
the article was gud

abt that thin that brown women shudn't wear revealin clothes well i agree but not with the brown women part . every women shud b coverin her body (yes i m a muslim)

but that thin he said abt havin wives who he wud torture n thins well he's gonna go 2 hell fr sure (accordin 2 our blief he sure will)

n yes God will punish u if u do not say the rite thin but shoutin wherever u find the chance 2 is not a gud idea n a gud way 2 do so

n salahuddin wasn't a traitor 2 Islam just cuz he spared the Christians n all . the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallum) spared every1 when he conquered Mecca . he can't call him (the Prophet ) a traitor can he? n in Madina there were many jew tribes which if he (the Prophet ) wanted 2 cud get rid of but he didn't n instead there was a treaty signed by both the communities givin the jews equal rites as the muslims

i think that this is a proof enuf that in Islam infidels r not just supposed 2 b slaughtered like that.

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