Hercules vs. Mindless Hulk

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Betageuze
a totaly mindless rampaging Hulk.... is confronted with Hercules, Prince of Power.....

can Hercules handle or stop this Hulk ?

in my opinion.... against a totally rampaging out of control Hulk.... no individual with physical strength stands a chance
no Abomination... no Thor.... no Hercules.... even no Juggernaut

olympian
They already fought. One on one.

Mindless Hulk has the setback that sooner or later he will start to die.

Herc lasted all the fight against that hulk ( one of the few who got always back and punched the Hulk again ) and since he doesnt tire or get weaker he will eventually win.

Until Hulk starts to die its a stalemate tho.

olympian
And by stalemate btw its meant as both will have the upperhand in different parts of the fight.

Hercules more likely at first.

And Hulk due to rage increase later.

leonidas
hulk can't lose in this state. bby mindless, i assume you mean the hulk from hulk 300. thor went full, total power against him and couldn't do it. hulk would win - eventually he'd just get too strong.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
They already fought. One on one.

Mindless Hulk has the setback that sooner or later he will start to die.

Herc lasted all the fight against that hulk ( one of the few who got always back and punched the Hulk again ) and since he doesnt tire or get weaker he will eventually win.

Until Hulk starts to die its a stalemate tho.

Do you honestly believe that Hulk would die from separation before Herc loses?

kgkg
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Do you honestly believe that Hulk would die from separation before Herc loses?
Is mindless hulk, the guy who fought Silver Surfer?

the one without banner?

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by kgkg
Is mindless hulk, the guy who fought Silver Surfer?

the one without banner?

Yeah. He's really stupid (dumber than Savage) but his strength increases are insane. Downside is that he can't live without Banner, so his durability decreases over time.

olympian
Mindless Hulk was the one who fough the two avengers teams and Samson was he not? The one that was dying over the time.

If so my point stands.

"Do you honestly believe that Hulk would die from separation before Herc loses?"

Yes. He fough that Hulk alone, then during the avengers fight and was one of the two who was in a effective way punching the Hulk back and forth.

He lasted all the fight without any loss of his power so yes i do belive.

Tough Guy
no he was not the same. also mindless hulk would rip herc apart, what comics do you read olympian. hulk is way ahead of herc on everything herc has to offer, and thats just savage. mindless hulk increases hi strength far quicker to unbelievable proportions, way beyond herc

olympian
"no he was not the same."

He is big grin Its the sameeee storyac bub.

"also mindless hulk would rip herc apart, what comics do you read olympian"

This one with the mindless Hulk :

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http://img235.echo.cx/img235/8779/avengersih316g5ee.jpg

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http://img235.echo.cx/img235/1092/avengersih316i7he.jpg

"mindless hulk increases hi strength far quicker to unbelievable proportions, way beyond herc"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4446204

Who woulda know........

leonidas
<<Yeah. He's really stupid (dumber than Savage) but his strength increases are insane. Downside is that he can't live without Banner, so his durability decreases over time.>>

i always thought he was the one in 300 - strange tried to help banner who was being attacked by nightmare, but in helping, he made things worse and banner actually, i don't know, sort of died or went coma or something. i can't recall. but there was no banner in the hulk and he destroyed pretty well everything and everyone in his way. til strange zapped him into another dimension. in all my years collecting, that was the strongest, most savage hulk i've ever seen. and THAT hulk would beat herc LONG before the immortality became an issue.

DEVILHULK
Hercules could not beat the hulk even with the help of other 13 heroes and two avengers teams........if math is not an opinion that mindless hulk at the end would have smashed Hercules (no matter which version, Immortal,Mortal.....)

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Yeah. He's really stupid (dumber than Savage) but his strength increases are insane. Downside is that he can't live without Banner, so his durability decreases over time.>>

i always thought he was the one in 300 - strange tried to help banner who was being attacked by nightmare, but in helping, he made things worse and banner actually, i don't know, sort of died or went coma or something. i can't recall. but there was no banner in the hulk and he destroyed pretty well everything and everyone in his way. til strange zapped him into another dimension. in all my years collecting, that was the strongest, most savage hulk i've ever seen. and THAT hulk would beat herc LONG before the immortality became an issue.
If the Banner personality is removed, Hulk is Mindless. He has been Mindless on more than one occasion, and not just when he was physically separated from Banner. Mindless Hulk has the Savage Hulk's body and powerset, but exercises no restraint. He draws strength from the pocket universe, like Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk has the mind of a child. Mindless Hulk has the mind of an animal.

olympian
"in all my years collecting, that was the strongest, most savage hulk i've ever seen. and THAT hulk would beat herc LONG before the immortality became an issue."

They fought before. And "long" before its not going to happen. Any guy who lasts two fights at different places in time with the mindless beast its not going to get beat " long" before anything happens.

"Hercules could not beat the hulk even with the help of other 13 heroes and two avengers teams........if math is not an opinion that mindless hulk at the end would have smashed Hercules (no matter which version, Immortal,Mortal.....)"

Maths must be crazy then. Because Hulk lost. And i didnt saw him smashing Hercules in any part of the fight. In any part of the two fights actually.

And do the maths better. It wasent 13 guys. And since of those only She Hulk and Hercules wer figthing back, what does that tells you?

The rest was cannon fodder.

Cannon fodder that mind you Hulk didnt managed to beat or ko...any of them, except putting Samson down who wasent even an avenger.

leonidas
don't get me wrong - herc would do damage before he fell. but if thor with his hammer and near warrior madness couldn't beat him, herc isn't either. if i had to i could show i scan of herc getting utterly ruined by a lightning bolt from thor (thor was possessed by someone (pluto? ares?) and the only way herc could free thor was to force thor to strike with lightning - but he had to grab thor's hand and strike the hammer down for him so they both got struck. that did not end well for herc . . . most thor/herc fights in stalemates but thor never uses his full powers against
herc (lightning, godblast . . .)

thor + hammer > herc (much as i HATE to admit it . . .) thor just has too many powers. and again, thor couldn't beat hulk. herc would lose this fight eventually. how could he not? hulk's strength just keeps growing and growing.

and cube, what are you saying:

<<Savage Hulk has the mind of a child. Mindless Hulk has the mind of an animal.>>

are you saying mindless is stronger?

olympian
"don't get me wrong - herc would do damage before he fell. but if thor with his hammer and near warrior madness couldn't beat him"

When did Thor fough mindless Hulk?

"near warrior madness"

He never used warrior madness against regular savage Hulk did he.

"had to i could show i scan of herc getting utterly ruined by a lightning bolt from thor (thor was possessed by someone (pluto? ares?) "

I have scans of that fight. It was Ares. And "utterly ruined" is a stretch. He always got up.

"and the only way herc could free thor was to force thor to strike with lightning - but he had to grab thor's hand and strike the hammer down for him so they both got struck. that did not end well for herc "

Not end well? He took more than 4 shots of Thors hammer in the back of his head and wasent Ko. He then overpowered that Thor and made him strike the hammer in the ground and turn human again. That looks Herc having the advantage in the end for me.

"thor + hammer > herc"

I actually agree. Marvel doesnt write Hercules_god as having olympian powers on his own like the others. Thor is written as a full god with or without the hammer. Herc is still written as a man god who is godly "only" in immortality, huge stamina and durability besides his strenght.

olympian
"thor couldn't beat hulk"

But Hulk so far never managed to Ko Thor or leave him in such a state that the Thunder God never got up to continue the fight. Rage increase or not. Same goes for Hulk/Herc.

"are you saying mindless is stronger?"

He was written that way.

whirlysplat
Iron man has beaten the hulk in his regular armourbig grin

olympian
One final shot wasent it wink

Wynndar
Depends on which mindless Hulk ur talking about, the one from #300 was dying, I think he would have eventually beat Herc anyway, those 4 avengers were taking turns fighting him, its not like it was a fair one on one fight between him and Herc.

Then u have the more modern, post Onslaught Hulk that had no Banner. I dont think he was dying though, and he was definitely way too much for little ol' Herc.

olympian
"Depends on which mindless Hulk ur talking about, the one from #300 was dying, I think he would have eventually beat Herc anyway, those 4 avengers were taking turns fighting him, its not like it was a fair one on one fight between him and Herc"

But Hercules did fought that Hulk one on one. Look ahead in the thread. It was before the fight with avengers and he started dying. thats why i give Herc the nod here. That Hulk will die sooner or later and time is not a problem for herc.

Was the Herc/Hulk unleashed one a mindless Hulk? When Herc was depowered. That happened after Onslaugh but still.....

Wynndar
i wouldnt call him mindless at all. But he was "Bannerless" and that was a way underpowered Herc, thats not a fair fight to base this on. That was more like Hulk vs Powerman or Rogue...an utter ass-kicking.

olympian
Oh i know and agree. I just wanted to know what exactly was the name for that Hulk. He has so many i sometimes lose count.

Wynndar
yea like ive said before...after Peter David stopped writing TIH, they stopped keeping the incarnation of the Hulk an important or central theme...the writting has been a lot more abstract, and simply not as good. After Peter David there is not continuity to the incarnations of the Hulk, or any sense of rules like there had been before. Bu tthat Hulk was Bannerless and incredibly strong...He was portrayed as one of the most powerful Hulks ever. IMO he would rip through most all of marvel's strong guys with no problem.

olympian
In that period of time he fough against mortal Herc wasent he taking the energy of the pocket universe created by Franklin?

Wynndar
Eh? I dont think they really stated that, Its more like he was just really angry and really strong. But his body was the connection between the two dimensions. And that writer portrayed Herc as incredibly weak...didnt really give him credit.

olympian
It doesnt bug me that much. After all he was mortal and weak. Its understandable. Its still a huge feat that the Hulk never ko him or took him down easily.

whirlysplat
Anyone remember when they first fought and herc thought hulk was a green troll and hulk beat him up then the army arrived and the hulk bounded away

olympian
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/-story2page06-.jpg

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You mean this one where Herc wasent beaten?

whirlysplat
Thats the one what about the bits your missingbig grin it was a longer battle than thatbig grin

whirlysplat
Pages 4 through 8 where Herc is getting a good kickingbig grin

Your doing it again Olympian, its untrustworthybig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

olympian
"Thats the one what about the bits your missing it was a longer battle than that"

You know how to count? At right and below Willy boy. Thats the pages of the whole fight. The rest of the comic is of no interest here. big grin

"Pages 4 through 8 where Herc is getting a good kicking"

What page 4. The fight starts at page 6 to 10 shifty Your delusional already?

"Your doing it again Olympian"

Thanks. I do my best.

whirlysplat
It was a longer fight than that and you know itbig grin

However Herc was saved by the armybig grin

whirlysplat
Who remembers the masters of Evil beatdown on Herc, they sure gave him "the gift" of battlebig grin

olympian
"It was a longer fight than that and you know it"

Pages 6-7-8-9-10 big grin none is missing oops.

"However Herc was saved by the army"

Seems to me it was Hulk who wanted to run away because he was scared.

"Who remembers the masters of Evil beatdown on Herc, they sure gave him "the gift" of battle"

I do. He was beating on all of them drunk and they needed Goliath to sneak on him to beat him.

Of course later in the Thunderbolts as Atlas before getting almost killed by Herc he admited he was no match.

olympian
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What a gift.

whirlysplat
The thunderbolts aren't really a yardstick, Have you got the masters of evil beatdown, or the champions issue when Iron man electrocutes himbig grin

whirlysplat
Or the avengers issue when he offers simon williams the gift and gets knocked through a wall. big grin

whirlysplat
He spent a lot of the avengers getting beaten up big grin

olympian
"Or the avengers issue when he offers simon williams the gift and gets knocked through a wall."

Your looking at it backwards. Doesnt surprise me you dont know how to count. It was Simon who got punched to the wall.

"The thunderbolts aren't really a yardstick, Have you got the masters of evil beatdown, or the champions issue when Iron man electrocutes him"

Yes. I have the one where Herc was beating everyone and had to be drugged and sneaked to get down. Something the Hulk never did. wink

And yeah Iron man who did the amazing. after. recharging. the . armour. with. the. power. of. the. mansion. to. get. Hercules. down. sir

I wrote it slow for you to get it.

Until Then Iron Man was getting his hands full with Herc.

whirlysplat
Yes didn't you love the fact Herc was beaten by a household power socket with Iron manbig grin
Yes he did knock Simon through the wall I think you memory serves you better than mine on that, then Simon showed Herc why his "fists hit like Thors hammer", and Herc did his usually bottle out I'm scared "Gift" speech, and this was to Simon going through his "coward" phase. Still love the masters beating best, he was in hospital for ages and then nervous about fighting for a while in case he got another beatingbig grin

leonidas
hey, hey, easy on the prince of power whirly! he's my fave!! don't make me join the olympian! smile and you know full well when he met the masters again (wrecking crew) herc demolished them. took thor some work to get him to do it, but at least he did it . . .

whirlysplat
Originally posted by leonidas
hey, hey, easy on the prince of power whirly! he's my fave!! don't make me join the olympian! smile and you know full well when he met the masters again (wrecking crew) herc demolished them. took thor some work to get him to do it, but at least he did it . . .

Yes he stopped being a big pubes on his head, beardy weardy, scaredy cat, and returned with all his pomopousity intact. I think Herc is best when his pomposity is used humoursly like in his first mini, where he tries to "outhink" Galactus. The concept of Herc outhinking anyone is pretty funny but Galactus. laughing out loud

I like Herc to its just Olympian fiddles data so I thought I'd give him a taste of his own medicineeek!

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
"Yes didn't you love the fact Herc was beaten by a household power socket with Iron man"

Yes. You wouldnt have it the other way. He used the same trick to Ko Hulk stick out tongue

"and this was to Simon going through his "coward" phase"

If Simon was a coward why you brought it up. Tsk Tsk.

"Still love the masters beating best, he was in hospital for ages."

He was in the end of the hospital until the end of that story. In the Olympian wars that happened next he wasent.

"and then nervous about fighting for a while in case he got another beating"

And yet he delivered beatings right after:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Thor_1990_418_15.jpg

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whirlysplat
See Leos post to show your data fiddling up againbig grinOriginally posted by olympian
"Yes didn't you love the fact Herc was beaten by a household power socket with Iron man"

Yes. You wouldnt have it the other way. He used the same trick to Ko Hulk stick out tongue

"and this was to Simon going through his "coward" phase"

If Simon was a coward why you brought it up. Tsk Tsk.

"Still love the masters beating best, he was in hospital for ages."

He was in the end of the hospital until the end of that story. In the Olympian wars that happened next he wasent.

"and then nervous about fighting for a while in case he got another beating"

And yet he delivered beatings right after:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Thor_1990_418_15.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Thor_1990_418_16.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Thor_1990_418_17.jpg

olympian
"I like Herc to its just Olympian fiddles data so I thought I'd give him a taste of his own medicine"

You mean me knowing things of what i said? Unlike you in the pre crisis debate shifty

Oh yes i admit i got a title of a saga wrong, wow.

olympian
"See Leos post to show your data fiddling up again"

and where is the fiddling darkness willy.

whirlysplat
You also fiddle data here and there and were caught out both timesbig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
About the last scans its the fight where Hercules defated the whole wrecking crew by himself and destroyed theyr weapons with his bare hands.

It was posted in another thread but the link its not working, ill try to get it back but if someone has it, feel free to post.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
Where is the fiddling willy boy.


You have no idea how funny that comment is big grin


Herc was in hospital for several avengers issue and then Thor had to convince him to fight. You omit this, he was in a coma mainly because of Powerman/goliath.

See other thread for fiddling, like not understanding it was a pocket universe created by the tt along with the Superboy all of it was created by tt. and the myriad other confusions like not knowing where Validus came from. Supes feats precrisis were on another level to Superboy, thats why everyone thought they were the same person till the tt arc. You scewed so much data its hilarious.laughing out loud

Keep the faithbig grin


Stay Whirly rock

olympian
"Herc was in hospital for several avengers issue and then Thor had to convince him to fight. You omit this, he was in a coma mainly because of Powerman/goliath."

And i said he was until the Olympian storyarc that started next. If you mean how many issues its one thing. If you mean timeline of the comic is another. Wich one is?

"See other thread for fiddling, like not understanding it was a pocket universe created by the tt along with the Superboy all of it was created by tt."

R.e.a.d. First you said he was a clone. Pre Crisis superboy wasent a clone. He was a manipulation of time of the actual Superman by TT. Thats not a clone. Current Superboy_Connor is a clone. Get the difference? Or i have to draw it for you.

"Supes feats precrisis were on another level to Superboy, thats why everyone thought they were the same person till the tt arc. You scewed so much data its hilarious"

Dont be dummie. Superboy was like Superman a planet pusher and time traveller. Back to the reading board for you.

whirlysplat
A clone is a genetic duplicate no matter how you get itbig grin Thats what Superboy was, yes its not traditional cloning. The time trappers powers mean he is beyond shotgunning DNA into a fertilised cell.

Keep the faithbig grin

Know what a clone isbig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

Yes he travelled in time etc but only through the pocket Universe timelinebig grin This was also explained in the tt arcbig grin

Read the comics

olympian
"A clone is a genetic duplicate no matter how you get it Thats what Superboy was, yes its not traditional cloning. The time trappers powers mean he is beyond shotgunning DNA into a fertilised cell"

Then next time make it clear that its not exactly/actualy/really a clone big grin

"Yes he travelled in time etc but only through the pocket Universe timeline This was also explained in the tt arc"

Obvious bub one can only travel in time of its own timeline.

whirlysplat
No the other members of the Legion if Superboy was not with them interact with the main timeline. Only Superboy didn't that was part of the tt arc as well.

Time paradox its not the same person A little problem is it grew up in a completely different way and has a distinct different life. Therefore not the same person, same genetic information same source but not the same person, it was not a timeline its a pocket universe.

I have a degree in molecular biology genetics is my main postgraduate qualification. I can quote from Stryer if you want a genetically identical individual is a clone again your wrong. I'm right.

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

olympian
Check the other thread.

whirlysplat
Check the other threadbig grin

Know what a clone isbig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

olympian
Yes. Do you? Its where its genetic manipulation. Its not the case.

whirlysplat
No manipulation is necessary a clone is just a genetically identical duplicate. Like a cutting from a plant. Which is a bit like this think of superboy as a cuttingbig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Know the terms you usebig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
Yes. Do you? Its where its genetic manipulation. Its not the case.
Genetic Manipulation Bwahahaha

Plant cuttings are clones

There are several reasons that you may want to clone your plant, the most obvious being, that you don't have any seed. Cloning might be your only option in this case. Another reason that you might want to take cuttings is to control the Quality of the plant(s). Let me explain: Every seed, like every human being, is slightly different. Genetically, no two plants are the same, DNA works in plants much the same way as humans. So if you have a plant that is just what you want it to be you can take cuttings to "clone" your special plant. Over time you could make about a bazillion genetically identical clones if you wanted to.

http://www.simplyhydro.com/cuttings.htm


You haven't a cluebig grin


Keep the faith big grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
Why are you posting the same stuff in two different threads.

Calm down man, dont get desperate. Post in just one.

whirlysplat
Lol no you made the same point in 2 so I responded with the same post in 2 as I will with thisbig grin

You do know what a clone is now?

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

olympian
Yes, its not the same as time manipulation.

Answer this: If you clone someone, will the clone have the memories, emotions and backstory the same as the original?

Theres a story that ilustrates the time manipulation thing. A story of Green Arrow before getting recruited by Batman in Zero Hour.

You see Green Arrow beating a thug that tried to raped/beating a woman while her kid was there. Green Arrow gets there and beats him. You see the panels until Arrow is about to deliver the thug to the police. In that moment two different timelines show up. The one where we wer seeing the action, the "real" universe and the new one. The persons are the same, the mindstate is the same, and what was happening is the same too.

Except it goes two different ways from -one- point. In one Arrow lives in the other he dies.

The Comic ends with Arrow looking to itself death. Its not a clone. Its himself lying dead there. From another moment in time he died.

whirlysplat
In traditional cloning no memories for higher organisms, but a genetically identical time displaced duplicate would. Interestingly the time trapper gave him his back story as well that was all fabrication also.

A clone is a genetically identical duplicate, anyway you cut it Superboy Precrisis is that.

It can't be him lying there as he never died, its a cutting like a cutting from a plant (get your head round the concept). Therefore its a clone. A genetically identical duplicate. Its not Superman thoughbig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual).

Keep the faithbig grin

Understand higher concepts like time paradox, displacement, duplication, any Star Trek episode with a transporter malfunction wink should help!!!!!

Stay Whirly rock

whirlysplat
Now what about all the beatings Hercs taken thats what we were discussing you minor fiddling of factsbig grin

olympian
"It can't be him lying there as he never died, its a cutting like a cutting from a plant (get your head round the concept). Therefore its a clone. A genetically identical duplicate. Its not Superman though"

He did died, it was just from another timeline. From another moment in time he died. Simple as that. Never heard that each one of us have different destinies in time? Its like that.

About Star Trek beh im sick of it stick out tongue

"Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual)."

I know that you know what a clone is. I just dont agree thats the aplication to Superboy.

"Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual)."

This is what i argue. He wasent a different individual, he was the same. The same Superman wich lifepath went another direction.

olympian
"Now what about all the beatings Hercs taken thats what we were discussing you minor fiddling of facts"

List them. You shouldnt have problems, he has almost none as immortal Hercules.

whirlysplat
No he stopped being the same person, thats obvious because supes lived and Superboy died. Same Source, Same Genetics, Similair person, ergo Clone.

He was a different individual he had, had different environmental factors, therfore he was not the same.

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
"No he stopped being the same person, thats obvious because supes lived and Superboy died. Same Source, Same Genetics, Similair person, ergo Clone."

Same person. that died. in another. timeline. Timelines are different and the person is the same. therefore you have different destinies - or not - .

"He was a different individual he had, had different environmental factors, therfore he was not the same"

I dont agree. He had the powers the same way. He learned them the same way. He had the same backstory. The same origin. The same growth. For all porpuses he is not a clone.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
"Now what about all the beatings Hercs taken thats what we were discussing you minor fiddling of facts"

List them. You shouldnt have problems, he has almost none as immortal Hercules.

He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a whilebig grin

He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week.

Iron man beat himbig grin

In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy.

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
"No he stopped being the same person, thats obvious because supes lived and Superboy died. Same Source, Same Genetics, Similair person, ergo Clone."

Same person. that died. in another. timeline. Timelines are different and the person is the same. therefore you have different destinies - or not - .

"He was a different individual he had, had different environmental factors, therfore he was not the same"

I dont agree. He had the powers the same way. He learned them the same way. He had the same backstory. The same origin. The same growth. For all porpuses he is not a clone.

Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud if you willbig grin

olympian
"He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a while"

Thats....well..........one? Wheres the others you said.

"He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week"

And...

"In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy."

And who doesnt get low showings? Remember Supes getting knocked out by a has tank explosion? Or having troubles lifting a 747. And the daily Planet big globe. Such is the renowed Superman.

Going by those feats hes way less than Hercules level.

"Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud "

It was another timeline. Pocket or not it doesnt matter how big it was big grin

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
"He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a while"

Thats....well..........one? Wheres the others you said.

"He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week"

And...

"In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy."

And who doesnt get low showings? Remember Supes getting knocked out by a has tank explosion? Or having troubles lifting a 747. And the daily Planet big globe. Such is the renowed Superman.

Going by those feats hes way less than Hercules level.

"Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud "

It was another timeline. Pocket or not it doesnt matter how big it was big grin

No as a bud within our univese it was part of our universes space time, a bud from it, like a room. Another timeline demands more than thisbig grin

Know your Physicsbig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirlybig grin

whirlysplat
He travelled from this pocket into our timeline in the 30th century which was part of the normal spce time, his pocket universe was a pocket within our timeline.big grin

Sorry thats how it workedbig grin

Do you understand itbig grin

I can explain about Spacetime if you likebig grin

Keep the faith big grin

Stay Whirlyrock

olympian
"No as a bud within our univese it was part of our universes space time, a bud from it, like a room. Another timeline demands more than this"

Making stuff up now? I guess you cant keep with the debate. I give you the kudos you lasted more than Though Guy.

Go to the page where its the story of TT and there it says he crated another timeline.

Read

really

close

shifty

whirlysplat
He travelled from this pocket into our timeline in the 30th century which was part of the normal spce time, his pocket universe was a pocket within our timeline.

Sorry thats how it worked

Do you understand it

I can explain about Spacetime if you like

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Wynndar
Its just not convincing without the smiley faces

whirlysplat

olympian
"He travelled from this pocket into our timeline in the 30th century which was part of the normal spce time, his pocket universe was a pocket within our timeline.

Sorry thats how it worked

Do you understand it"

Then what you said before of him being restricted to his timeline isent true now?

Your falling apart or what.

The fact hes able to do that shows theyr the same person set on different points in time.

olympian
"So in order to keep things as they were, the Time Trapper reached one million years into the past and removed a moment of time"

A moment in time. It was what i said bub.

"I knew it was a pocket universe because unlike you I read the story"

Where did i said it wasent pocket or giant? It doesnt matter. Two times want different ways from the point where TT stopped and did his gig.

whirlysplat
He was part of our timeline in the 30th century the pocket was merely a place he was kept with in "Spacetime".

A good explanation of budding universe in real Science herebig grin

http://www.parcellular.fsnet.co.uk/parc.mech.22.htm.htm

Its not a different timelinebig grin because he only travelled from it to the 30th century which was in normal continuity without travelling through dimensions. The bud could come away totally and become a distinct timeline but it was achored in a loop to continuity 30 century so this never happenedbig grin

Although budding can become different timelines

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirlyrock

olympian
"Its not a different timeline because he only travelled from it to the 30th century which was in normal continuity without travelling through dimensions. The bud could come away totally and become a distinct timeline but it was achored in a loop to continuity 30 century so this never happened"

Then you wer wrong when you said Superboy couldnt travel from his pocket universe.

For me its time manipulation. For you its not. Live with it wink

whirlysplat

olympian
For some time it looked like you wer saying you didnt saw it as time manipulation but - only- and merely cloaning.

Now - with - that i agree.

whirlysplat

whirlysplat

olympian
"Read back my position never cnaged I said at the "time" or "moment" he diverged he became a clone"

Yeah except when you were saying it wasent time maipulation from one point/moment in time wink

We agree now. Its both stick out tongue

whirlysplat
No I said it wasn't a distinct timeline and because it was anchored to the 30th century it wasn't it was a small temporary branch or B road. I said the cloning depended on him being a copy and developing along a different route, just not timelinebig grin

its not a seperate timelinebig grin It could have become one it it had been closed, because it was a route to a point in our timeline it was notbig grin

Know Sciencebig grin

Know Whirlyrock

olympian
I mentioned the two "ways" from the same moment. Dont steal the gig wink

All this time travelling stuff has made me hungry.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
I mentioned the two "ways" from the same moment. Dont steal the gig wink

All this time travelling stuff has made me hungry.


If you read back it was stolen long agobig grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
Yeah my other me of the timeline.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
Yeah my other me of the timeline.

Thats the funny thing some people can't admit a clones a clonebig grin

A pocket universe is not a different timeline if its anchored to a specific era within the main timeline hence the term pocket(meaning within or held inside)big grin Anchored to a point in main spacetime big grin

Keep the faithbig grin

Clones are Clonesbig grin

Pockets keep things "inside" something biggerbig grin

Stay Whirlybeer

olympian
What i didnt admited was that it was just cloaning. When it wasent, we already settled that.

The result of that time manipulation was one that is akin to clonage.

And is that a cloned beer.

whirlysplat

olympian
I want a real one now big grin that was quite the fight man.

You earned my respect.

whirlysplat
Originally posted by olympian
I want a real one now big grin that was quite the fight man.

You earned my respect.

You mean I didn't have it already, I have to admit I don't bother debating on here much these days. Try the General Discussion Forum you'd like it.

You debate well yourselfsmile

Keep the faithbig grin

Stay Whirly rock

olympian
Its not like im here for long in this forum. And we never had a long debate so far in the same issue.

But now the respect is there.

leonidas
ahhhhhhhhhh . . . now that's cute.

smile

love is in the air . . .

Cosmic Cube

leonidas
gotta love 'im!

smile

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by leonidas
gotta love 'im!

smile

Or kill him...

Say, whirly, what's your address? shifty

Tough Guy
hmmm mindless hulk would be more difficult for herc than savage hulk . herc would get beaten once hulks strength increased beyond his. with mindless that would be very quick

olympian
Then why wasent he beaten when they fought? Hulk was down. Herc and the avengers wer up.

Did he decided to take a sleep?

Wynndar
The Avengers were taking turns and Herc's scuffle was very breif. The only time Hulk was down was when people attacked him from surprise ie Herc being dropped on Hulk's head.

olympian
It wasent long. yet it showed he wasent below unlike others like Iron man, an out of water Namor and wonder Man.

About the second fight with the Avengers, Hulk doesnt do good. Sure he held its own but against a team composed mostly by streeth levels, he doesnt manage to ko or beat anyone for good. Still Hercules is the only one seen figthing back. I dont count the others with the exception She Hulk and Wman exactly for that. They wer cannon fodder. Its a low showing Hulk didnt beat all of them but they werent doing anything in return either.

In the end Hercules has the better showing in that storyline in the whole. Never went down, fought him alone, managed to put the hurt, lasted the whole fight without being bruised or tired and was the one that trew the last 3 shots for the Ko when Hulk was weaker.

Overall more impressive to me.

Tough Guy
herc is just shown hitting hulk with a pipe big deal. happens all the time and shows nothing. as ive said over and over huk is shown at many levels of power depending where the writer wants to go. however where hulk differs to other characters on this is writers have any level of strength they need to use with hulks character , not so with other heroes characteristics

olympian
"herc is just shown hitting hulk with a pipe big deal."

yeah he likes baseball. He did the same against Abomination recently.

"happens all the time and shows nothing"

Now Now, it shows Hulk can fly.

"as ive said over and over huk is shown at many levels of power depending where the writer wants to go"

Each character shows what the writters want. If a writter wants to show Herc helding the world like in the myth he can. If he wants to show Hulk destroying the planet with his punches, they can. Thing is they would have to power up the other heroes who are in the same league and show that the ones above do or can do better.

Tough Guy
well like i said is no more than any incarnation of hulk is used to. ive a comic with spiderman staggering hulk. hmmm he must be in his strength range too. as ive said sooooooooooooo many times hulks strength and healing are limitless and potentially hulk will beat anybody physically

olympian
The big difference being that Spiderman never hurted him and Hercules has.

You can say it as many times you want, your still wrong.

Now do us a favor and stop the bitching. Go complain Marvel about it.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
Then why wasent he beaten when they fought? Hulk was down. Herc and the avengers wer up.

Did he decided to take a sleep?

The Avengers winning had a lot to do with Betty Ross.

olympian
CC your too good a poster.

But honestly, in what did she interfered? Hulk started dying due to separation to Banner since the avengers fight part 2 started.

If anything sould be said is that she saved Hulk from being killed by Herc.

Cosmic Cube
Your standards of "proof" are rather high. I've shown you Hulk surpassing the strength level of a Celestial, and resisting an utterly irresistable force. For some reason in your opinion, it doesn't prove limitless strength. Hulk isn't going to wrestle the Living Tribunal, so if that's what you're looking for, I guess there is no way to prove to you that Hulk has limitless potential for strength. You aren't open to convincing.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
CC your too good a poster.

But honestly, in what did she interfered? Hulk started dying due to separation to Banner since the avengers fight part 2 started.

If anything sould be said is that she saved Hulk from being killed by Herc.

This is true.

olympian
Here is my point of view.

The standarts are the usual. Surpassing a Celestial means doing something a Celestial cant do, or fails to do. The scan you provided merely implied that Hulk manage to overcome something that was built to be durable against power of "Gods" . How that translates into being Celestials. How that says : A god cant do it. Thats what high end feats are about. If a Celestial actually tried and fail, show it where it happened or was stated on panel. But lets continue with my view of it.

One comparation. Hercules in the myth did things no mortal could do. And some feats wer godlike. Helding the heavens, for example is a godlike feat. Does that means Gods couldnt do it either and perhaps better because he did?

Overcoming the impossible its something that big heroes do time to time. The way i see from that scan, Hulk manage to destroy something incredible durable but that wasent show to be something the Gods itself coulnt do. " To whistand the power of gods " means to someone below them its a feat virtualy impossible to achieve. But Hulk did it. Like the old mythic heroes.

Try to understand im not bashing Hulk. Belive it or not just because Herc is a fav doesnt mean Hulk is not. I even like his punching the time stream feat as one of my fav. Im just saying that overcoming something thats designed to deal with godly class doesnt mean someone surpass that class.

Both Odin ( talking about the other thread ) and Hulk can max theyr strenght. Odin will go further than Hulk tho because his max has been used to defeat h2h pll who had the power to destroy galaxies. And they did like its the case of Surtur who did it just to forge its twiling sword. His fight with Seth was felt tro dimensions. His fight with Infinity in space was making Earth tremble and showcasing natural disasters. His max overall including strengh is bigger than the Hulk. I like the big guy but nor he and others the same class win unless these kind of opponents lose due to plot devices. Or if they want to lose.

Cosmic Cube
No one has a feat that equals Hulk resisting the matter antimatter attraction. Not Hercules, Thor, Thanos, or anyone else. Overcoming an irresistable force requires limitless strength. Moving the orbs apart even slightly would require infinite force. Hulk punches one of them billions of miles away, into space.

Never
Mindless Hulk despite all of this obsequious Hercules drivel.

olympian
Its your opinion. Mine is he will lose because of his setback and because Hercules lasts all theyr fight.

And again thats a huge feat that Hulk would ultimely lose. As it was stated by Spiderman saying its impossible to keep them apart for much and Hulk was losing it.

If you ask me that feat is above what Herc and Thor usually pulls up then your correct.

Cosmic Cube
Are Hercules's feats in myth canon for use in comics?

The Deviants created the wall to withstand "a menace from beyond the stars." Celestials were unable to destroy the wall. They tried, and failed. Hulk tried, and succeeded.

Galaxy Master is capable of destroying galaxies. Hulk was strong enough to defeat him. When did Hulk punch through time?

Never
Cube, his name is "Olympian." Hercules is an Olympian god.

Does his obstinate support of Hercules come as much of a surprise, like "JuggernautFan", "Wolverine8888," and "Sentry?"

Look at this circumstantial evidence. "Odin will go further than Hulk" because Odin used his power to amp him up in order to fight people who destroyed galaxies. Big damn deal. Hulk is as strong as is necessary. Comic book CANON is that Hulk's strength is, for all intents and purposes, limitless.

Limitless. Refamiliarize yourselves with the definition of the term.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
Its your opinion. Mine is he will lose because of his setback and because Hercules lasts all theyr fight.

And again thats a huge feat that Hulk would ultimely lose. As it was stated by Spiderman saying its impossible to keep them apart for much and Hulk was losing it.

If you ask me that feat is above what Herc and Thor usually pulls up then your correct.

Do you truely inderstand the matter antimatter attraction? The force of attraction between the orbs is not finite. It is impossible to seperate matter and antimatter. Impossible.

Hulk didn't just hold them apart. He broke the force of attraction, and punched the orb into deep space.

Hulk's strength defies the laws of physics, and logic.

It is infinitely superior to anything Hercules or Thor have ever done.

olympian
The Character is the same. His feats wer referenced in comics before. And in his current mini, it was showed him making a feat that had to do with overcomng the guilt of him killing his wife and two kids due to mad rage. So yes its cannon.

"The Devients created the wall to withstand "a menace from beyond the stars." Celestials were unable to destroy the wall. They tried, and failed. Hulk tried, and succeeded."

And thats what i want to see. Hulk and others can achieve the class but not surpass it. High end feats are that. Myth has loadz of them.

"Galaxy Master is capable of destroying galaxies. Hulk was strong enough to defeat him"

You dont mean Grandmaster? When and how did Hulk defeated him?

"When did Hulk punch through time?"

My bad, i meant the breaking thro the time storm to World War one. In Hulk 135 where Kang used him. Its one of my fav issues of Hulk.

Cosmic Cube
We're talking about comics, not myths. Hercules supporting Uranus (the heavens) isn't considered canon.

Hulk did exceed their strength. He broke through the wall. They could not. I will find the issue in which the Celestial's tried to destroy the Deviant's wall, and failed.

Galaxy Master, not Grandmaster. Hulk opened his mouth, went inside of him, and destroyed him from the inside out.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by Never
Cube, his name is "Olympian." Hercules is an Olympian god.

Does his obstinate support of Hercules come as much of a surprise, like "JuggernautFan", "Wolverine8888," and "Sentry?"

Look at this circumstantial evidence. "Odin will go further than Hulk" because Odin used his power to amp him up in order to fight people who destroyed galaxies. Big damn deal. Hulk is as strong as is necessary. Comic book CANON is that Hulk's strength is, for all intents and purposes, limitless.

Limitless. Refamiliarize yourselves with the definition of the term.

You can't assume that, Never. It may be difficult to convince him, but I wouldn't label him a fanboy.

olympian
I dont recall anything from Galaxy Master. So he did it with only strenght?

"We're talking about comics, not myths. Hercules supporting Uranus (the heavens) isn't considered canon."

Hercules: Heart of Chaos # 3 says about his depowering strenght: " Once possesed power enought to shake the heavens themselves.." Then he goes on, on having problems with his lower strenght to sent to the sky a weapon that Ares was about to use.

Maybe not a confirmed cannon. Comics both at marvel and DC when using him always implied his helding the earth feat ( at Dc ) and the heavens ( at marvel ). On the other hand in his recent mini we see a reteling of his old feats including that one to get the golden apples. There was no changing on the feats. Including the kiling of Hyppolita that is also cannon now.

olympian
"Look at this circumstantial evidence. "Odin will go further than Hulk" because Odin used his power to amp him up in order to fight people who destroyed galaxies. Big damn deal. Hulk is as strong as is necessary. Comic book CANON is that Hulk's strength is, for all intents and purposes, limitless.

Limitless. Refamiliarize yourselves with the definition of the term. "

With all due respect. Thats idiocy. Just because i side with Odin and i already explained why, im a fanboy? Hulk can be virtual limitess all he wants. Doesnt change the fact that Marvel writes and wrote since back then other characters with that powerset.

Destroying galaxies isent a big deal? Then what is a big deal to you. Next youll be telling me Hulk should beat Living Tribunal also.

An opinion is one thing but what your doing its more into fanboysm than another. If Odin can amp in a match he will go further than Hulk. His figths and feats show it.

You dont see me saying that Hercules or Thor have a chance in hell of beating Odin either do you. Heck not even Thanos and hes overall above them.

Cosmic Cube
When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? When was anyone other than Hulk given limitless strength?

Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did.

Odin has never made himself as strong as a Celestial. Hulk has become stronger than a Celestial. Odin can amp himself to a limit. Hulk can continue to amp his strength without ever stopping. It's limited strength vs. limitless strength.

Thor does not have limitless strength. Neither does Hercules. Hulk couldn't beat Odin or Thanos in an all out fight. He could become stronger than either of them, and he has proven it in his feats.

Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?

olympian
"Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did"

Im not contesting that am i. Not that it has to do anything with the thread, Hulk when first showed up wasent said that his strenght was limitess.

"Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?"

Surtur, who did it. Infinity, Who did it. To name just two. Seth to name another.

"When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? "

In his feats maybe? Odin has plenetary feats as a normal rule. Hulk has those kind of feats has a high end one. And i side with the one who does it often than one " who might " overcome it.

If you take out Odin amp then hulk has his shot. If you dont he will lose. When you can wrestle against a guy that destroied a galaxy and even then you arent defeated toe to toe that speaks for me as a level Hulk and the others dont have.

Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.

Cosmic Cube
Destroying a Galaxy doesn't require infinite power. It requires enough power to destroy a galaxy. Hulk's strength is potentially limitless, not virtually limitless. The Living Tribunal can destroy the Universe. That's much larger than a galaxy.

I am not saying that Hulk can beat everyone. I am saying that he can exceed anyone in terms of strength, as long as that person has a limit to their strength. Basically, limitless strength > limited strength.

Regardless, you can't destroy a galaxy with physical strength, so mentioning it is pointless.

olympian
But you can defeat someone whit that power. And that amps with it. Isent what your discussing here. That Hulk an overcome with strengh someone in the galaxy level range.

Hulk being exactly " potential " and not surely limitess its what makes me step back. When you get the scan about the talk of Celestials and how they didnt do it then i might read it other way. Other than a high end feat where he reached the level.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
"Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did"

Im not contesting that am i. Not that it has to do anything with the thread, Hulk when first showed up wasent said that his strenght was limitess.

"Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?"

Surtur, who did it. Infinity, Who did it. To name just two. Seth to name another.

"When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? "

In his feats maybe? Odin has plenetary feats as a normal rule. Hulk has those kind of feats has a high end one. And i side with the one who does it often than one " who might " overcome it.

If you take out Odin amp then hulk has his shot. If you dont he will lose. When you can wrestle against a guy that destroied a galaxy and even then you arent defeated toe to toe that speaks for me as a level Hulk and the others dont have.

Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.

Surtur whas present when a galaxy was destroyed, and he created Twilight from dwarf matter. Nowhere did it say that he actually destroyed the Galaxy.

Destroying a galaxy does not require physical strength at all. Surtur does not have limitless strength, either. Surtur was owning Odin and Thor simultaneously. Odin does not have any feats that would suggest that his strength is limitless.

Hulk has countless planetary level feats. Greater and more abundant than Odin.

Never
Originally posted by olympian
With all due respect. Thats idiocy. Just because i side with Odin and i already explained why, im a fanboy?

Fall back. Show me where I ever once referenced you a fanboy. Ever.

Quote where I mentioned "olympian" and "fanboy" in the same sentence. Ever.

I said I am not SUPRISED that you are an ardent supporter considering your chosen moniker. That is all I SAID; that is all that I IMPLIED.

Please explain how that is analagous to "fanboyism."

olympian
"Surtur whas present when a galaxy was destroyed, and he created Twilight from dwarf matter. Nowhere did it say that he actually destroyed the Galaxy."

Go back and check the scans i posted. On panel earlier in that saga he was there forging the sword and the galaxy died. Odin later stated exactly that. That Surtur destroyed a galaxy. Another scan i posted has Surtur talking about his powerlevel.

"Surtur was owning Odin and Thor simultaneously"

Thor is a non factor here. Odin before he amped wasent at Surturs level. When he did they became equal, thats where the h2h fight happened. Surtur needed to resort to deceptions to have the best against Odin.

"Destroying a galaxy does not require physical strength at all"

True. But requires a powerset that includes amping to be able to do it. Tecnically if Odin can amp to destroy it so can his strenght.

Oh and Surtur destroyed that galaxy when he was forging his sword. He didnt do it standing up and clapping his fingers. Ill try to search it in case im mistaken here.

olympian
"Fall back. Show me where I ever once referenced you a fanboy. Ever."

It was implied. Not that you called me a fanboy. But saying just because i dont take the limitess issue as certain and i side with another character that i see beating Hulk with just strengh as wrong...well.

You didnt called me no, but i dont see the reason of the " im not surprised " either. Is it that strange calling Odin a winner when he can amp himself just because hes fighting the Hulk? When for me he did things more impressive?

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
But you can defeat someone whit that power. And that amps with it. Isent what your discussing here. That Hulk an overcome with strengh someone in the galaxy level range.

Hulk being exactly " potential " and not surely limitess its what makes me step back. When you get the scan about the talk of Celestials and how they didnt do it then i might read it other way. Other than a high end feat where he reached the level.

I'm trying to find the issue as we speak.

We're talking about physical strength, no who can beat whom. I am asking, who can lift more? Who can overcome the greatest force? Who would win in a contest of pure strength? The answer is indubitably, Hulk.

Hulk can become stronger than anyone, and he has never failed at doing so.

You fail to understand the meaning of the word "limitless." If the Beyonder put the weight of the galaxy into something the size of a boulder, and said "Hulk, you aren't strong enough to lift that," Hulk will struggle at first, but he will lift it. Put in the weight of two galaxies into it. Hulk will struggle at first, but he will lift it. 1000 galaxies. Hulk will lift it. Keep going for as long as you like. That is the definition of the term "limitless."

olympian
And thats is what i have issues in accepting. Ill take your word tho that he has that potential. Nothing certain but he can overcome it.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.

Holding apart the matter and antimatter orbs isn't just a high end feat. It's physically impossible. Period. It would be easier to lift the weight of the universe. There is no physical force that Hulk cannot overcome.

olympian
http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=39391&threadid=492750

Heres a board with Odin feats in comparation with others.

Cosmic Cube
I've been looking for a site like this for ages. Do you know where I can find a scan of Surtur creating Twilight?

olympian
Its in that page too. let me try.

:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6545/thor337brb01doom1eq.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1601/thor337brb02doom8pm.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2783/thor337brb03doom2br.jpg

Never
Originally posted by olympian
It was implied. Not that you called me a fanboy. But saying just because i dont take the limitess issue as certain and i side with another character that i see beating Hulk with just strengh as wrong...well.

You didnt called me no, but i dont see the reason of the " im not surprised " either. Is it that strange calling Odin a winner when he can amp himself just because hes fighting the Hulk? When for me he did things more impressive?

If I thought you were a "fanboy" like Wolverine8888, JuggernautFan, and VenomFan (before his, um, awakening), I would have most definitely said so.

How you are attempting to tell me what I meant when I wrote it is beyond me. You were incorrect, and do tell how/why one SHOULD be surprised if an individual supports their moniker's character? That is precisely what I said:



OBSTINATE. "Stubborn." Not blind.

Cosmic Cube
Is Twilght really made from a peice of a white dwarf? If it is, Thor is strong as hell. He lifted Twilight and threw it. Something the size of Surtur's sword would weight a f*ckload if it's made from white dwarf matter.

yahman
"Is Twilght really made from a peice of a white dwarf? If it is, Thor is strong as hell. He lifted Twilight and threw it. Something the size of Surtur's sword would weight a f*ckload if it's made from white dwarf matter."

Yeh it would weigh loads. Not as much as would if it was a neutron Star but it would weigh millions of Tons geek

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by yahman
"Is Twilght really made from a peice of a white dwarf? If it is, Thor is strong as hell. He lifted Twilight and threw it. Something the size of Surtur's sword would weight a f*ckload if it's made from white dwarf matter."

Yeh it would weigh loads. Not as much as would if it was a neutron Star but it would weigh millions of Tons geek

Millions?! Pfft... Try about 10x10^20 tons. It would be heavier than the Earth itself. A teaspoon of White dwarf matter weighs more than a billion tons. Surtur's sword was HUGE.

olympian
"OBSTINATE. "Stubborn." Not blind."

Fine, at least that. I need the eyes to draw. I apologise if i intend to say something that wasent there.

"Millions?! Pfft... Try about 10x10^20 tons. It would be heavier than the Earth itself."

With so many having the strengh of earth itself, would that surprise you? wink About the how much it weigths, i dont recall ever been stated a number in the whole story. Like the midgard serpent thing and the size of the planet Herc and Thor supossly made it get out of orbit. Its stuff that doesnt come with the exat numbers showed. Btw CC liked the site? Its cool or what.

yahman
"Millions?! Pfft... Try about 10x10^20 tons. It would be heavier than the Earth itself. A teaspoon of White dwarf matter weighs more than a billion tons. Surtur's sword was HUGE."

Dude there is a difference between a White Dwarf star and a Neutron Star.

"A teaspoon of White dwarf matter weighs more than a billion tons."

This only occurs in a Neutron Star. This is when the Electrons are squezzed to the point that they are touching the Neutrons. In a White Dwarf star A Teaspoon Of sugar weighs about a thousand tons. geek

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
"OBSTINATE. "Stubborn." Not blind."

Fine, at least that. I need the eyes to draw. I apologise if i intend to say something that wasent there.

"Millions?! Pfft... Try about 10x10^20 tons. It would be heavier than the Earth itself."

With so many having the strengh of earth itself, would that surprise you? wink About the how much it weigths, i dont recall ever been stated a number in the whole story. Like the midgard serpent thing and the size of the planet Herc and Thor supossly made it get out of orbit. Its stuff that doesnt come with the exat numbers showed. Btw CC liked the site? Its cool or what.

Doesn't Thor get his strength from a combo of Gaea and Odin? I heard Friggia (or whatever) isn't his real mother.

It sure is. I wish I knew about it earlier. Thor doesn't get enough respect here. no

olympian
At marvel his mother is Gaea yeah. In the myth it was Frigg. I think the elder gods also show up in the thread. Namely Gaea in chains in a defenders issue.

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by yahman
"Millions?! Pfft... Try about 10x10^20 tons. It would be heavier than the Earth itself. A teaspoon of White dwarf matter weighs more than a billion tons. Surtur's sword was HUGE."

Dude there is a difference between a White Dwarf star and a Neutron Star.

"A teaspoon of White dwarf matter weighs more than a billion tons."

This only occurs in a Neutron Star. This is when the Electrons are squezzed to the point that they are touching the Neutrons. In a White Dwarf star A Teaspoon Of sugar weighs about a thousand tons. geek

There are no electrons in a neutron star. Gravity pulls electrons into protons, and they become neutrons.

You're almost right, though.

A teaspoon of dwarf matter weighs about a ton.

yahman
"There are no electrons in a neutron star. Gravity pulls electrons into protons, and they become neutrons."

Oh yeh that would make alot of sense. I was wondering when i wrote t why the Electrons wouldn't just repell each other away. I think a White Dwarf is called a White Dwarf because the Irons surface becomes so hot it glows white hot.

"A teaspoon of dwarf matter weighs about a ton."

I have a figure which suggests it weighs about a Kilo ton. And if Twilight is made of the matter that makes a WD star it will weigh about as much as a mountain. If its made out of Neutron star material it will weigh as much as a small celestial object.

Cosmic Cube
There's a huge ass difference.

yahman
"There's a huge ass difference."

Its still impressive though
big grin

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