Saint Peter....Got to love em....

The myth of St. Peter was a thread which started in the 3rd century by the Roman papacy...It was a power stuggle inwhich the rival parties wanted the position of God's elite.

One solitary passage in the Gospel of Matthew 16: 18-19 which Jesus made a pun saying Peter was the Rock..would find it's way into scripture...Unfortunately the so called Petrine passage was a forgery...and deliberately inserted as a political ploy, to uphold the primacy of the Holy See...

The real roots of Peter lay in pagan Rome...the city of Petra or Pater Liber, assimilated to the Mithraic pater patrun (father of fathers). It has been called both Rock and Father....that is, a phallic pillar that's in the Vatican mundus since Etuscan times. Since his name also meant a rock, he was what the OT called "the Rock that begat thee" Deut. 32:18.

In older statues of peter he is seen with horns on his head....like the Horned God Bacchus (Pater Liber)

The churche's festival of St. Peter used to be held on the day of Janus, another pagan god, when the sun entered the sign of Aquarius, symbol of both the gate of the year and the Pearly Gate of Maria-Aphrodite...

Whatever Peters origin he stood in opposition to the female as shown by the Gnostic Gospels when Mary Magdalene said "Peter makes me hesitate, I am afraid of him because he hates the female race."

Marten Luther was so shocked by the decandt luxury of the popes courts that he wrote "If there is hell, then Rome is built upon it." And Peter had the keys to heaven even letting the Savior in????

Medieval legends also suggest the Petrine anti-feminism ...that Peter had a daughter and was very beautiful so he prayed that God would strike her with a fatal illness..It is also suggested in the Golden Legend that he tortured women to exorcise them, as to cause them to vomit up devils that possessed them along with much blood.

Got to love that Peter.....

The roots of Christianity keep getting better and better.We need a news show where we just take very extreme views on religon.It could very funny.especialy when cking comes in as a special guest.

peter was the most talkative apostle and his mouth always lead him into trouble. many times Paul had to rebuke him because he was acting like a hypocrite. James was the most quiet and he taught more of the Jewish law more than others. Luke was the only non Jew of the group and also was a doctor. Mathew a tax collector hated by the Jews because whatever was left over he kept. mark I have no idea, but he did journey with Paul alot and so did Luke. john was James brother.

Yea... the old Peter, I remenber him

naughty naught peter....so naughty....and sooooo not real....

Well you all know that I believe Heaven is here on Earth (and all across the universe), so St. Peter would have to be a metaphor for us. We let ourselves into heaven or not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well you all know that I believe Heaven is here on Earth (and all across the universe), so St. Peter would have to be a metaphor for us. We let ourselves into heaven or not.

Interesting........

And isn't it interesting that "Peter" was inserted in the 3rd century???

just when power was building and Constantine and the councils??

Hmmmmmmmmm.....becoming quite clear now...

Oh ! I see.... now that I actually read the first post, I found it to be very interessing ! So old Peter had a hidden past huh... Cool... I have another interessing story that I would like to share...

I don´t know exactly from were it came from, but I think it was from Hinduism. They believe in some beings which are the Kumaras, I think they are 7, or 13 maybe, don´t really remember. One of the Kumaras is Sanat Kumara, which is related to the creation of the physical/manifested world. In their religion, the creation of the world is viewed as a separation, or a division, as the creation was separated in the manifested, and imanifested world. There are people who thinks that Satan, came from Sanat Kumara. Even the names are similar, but unlike Satan, Sanat Kumara is not a evil being, he is sacred. So Satan could be a misinterpretation of the Hinduism, or whatevre it came from. There are analogies between that separation I told, and the banishment from Adam and Eve from the paradise.
There are some african cultures which have the serpent, or the crocodile as sacred. They associate life, and creation to them, like others did to Sanat Kumara, and thats how Satan is portrayed in the bible, like being a serpent.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Oh ! I see.... now that I actually read the first post, I found it to be very interessing ! So old Peter had a hidden past huh... Cool... I have another interessing story that I would like to share...

I don´t know exactly from were it came from, but I think it was from Hinduism. They believe in some beings which are the Kumaras, I think they are 7, or 13 maybe, don´t really remember. One of the Kumaras is Sanat Kumara, which is related to the creation of the physical/manifested world. In their religion, the creation of the world is viewed as a separation, or a division, as the creation was separated in the manifested, and imanifested world. There are people who thinks that Satan, came from Sanat Kumara. Even the names are similar, but unlike Satan, Sanat Kumara is not a evil being, he is sacred. So Satan could be a misinterpretation of the Hinduism, or whatevre it came from. There are analogies between that separation I told, and the banishment from Adam and Eve from the paradise.
There are some african cultures which have the serpent, or the crocodile as sacred. They associate life, and creation to them, like others did to Sanat Kumara, and thats how Satan is portrayed in the bible, like being a serpent.

That makes me think... the true nature of the universe is something that is beyond us and can never truly be understood. However, we can come up with models that reflect certain trues about the true nature of the universe and we've been doing this for a long time. All of these icons from every religion in the world and though time are really ways of expressing the same set of trues. The task is to cross reference all of these icons and see what that tells us about the true nature of the universe. Have you read the "Power of Myth"?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That makes me think... the true nature of the universe is something that is beyond us and can never truly be understood. However, we can come up with models that reflect certain trues about the true nature of the universe and we've been doing this for a long time. All of these icons from every religion in the world and though time are really ways of expressing the same set of trues. The task is to cross reference all of these icons and see what that tells us about the true nature of the universe. Have you read the "Power of Myth"?

No, what is this book about? Actually, I read what I wrote in a collection of books called The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, very good Indeed. Two areas of knowledge that I love in my life is physics, and trying to make those cross references about religion. I heard many things, but that about Peter is something I never heard. Its interessing that some people like to think of christianity as if it was unique, and not came from other "impure" religions, but it has many elements from the egyptian, jew, persian, mythraism( don´t know if I spelled right), buddhism, hinduism, from what I can remember.

About what I told about Satan origin, personally I think christians imcorporated "Sanat" as being evil because after all it was a "god" from a pagan religion. But in the hinduism as in the african cultures it was sacred. It means life, and creation. Heh... its funny to think that Satan could mean life and creation in the past.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
No, what is this book about? Actually, I read what I wrote in a collection of books called The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, very good Indeed. Two areas of knowledge that I love in my life is physics, and trying to make those cross references about religion. I heard many things, but that about Peter is something I never heard. Its interessing that some people like to think of christianity as if it was unique, and not came from other "impure" religions, but it has many elements from the egyptian, jew, persian, mythraism( don´t know if I spelled right), buddhism, hinduism, from what I can remember.

About what I told about Satan origin, personally I think christians imcorporated "Sanat" as being evil because after all it was a "god" from a pagan religion. But in the hinduism as in the african cultures it was sacred. It means life, and creation. Heh... its funny to think that Satan could mean life and creation in the past.

The Power of Myth

A conversation between Bill Moyers & Joseph Campbell that took place in 1985 & 1986.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Interesting........

And isn't it interesting that "Peter" was inserted in the 3rd century???

just when power was building and Constantine and the councils??

Hmmmmmmmmm.....becoming quite clear now...

Originally posted by markie
Jesus asked them who they said he was and peter said thou art the christ the son of the living god. Jesus said thou art peter and upon this rock I will build my church. Jesus was talking about his faith at that partucular moment, not peter or his bloodline. It's strange that if the pope is decended from peter that they have to elect a new one every time.

The whole Peter story was[B] inserted[/ b]in the 3rd century though.

Originally posted by markie
Jesus asked them who they said he was and peter said thou art the christ the son of the living god. Jesus said thou art peter and upon this rock I will build my church. Jesus was talking about his faith at that partucular moment, not peter or his bloodline. It's strange that if the pope is decended from peter that they have to elect a new one every time.

The whole Peter Story was inserted though in the 3rd century..so the conversation between Jesus and Peter never happened.

then who betrayed Jesus three times then?

true, Jesus did say that based on Peter's faith and so he called him the rock of the church meaning also that peter would spread the gospel in later times. despite peter did betray him. I don't know why catholics believe peter was the first pope. I guess that have nothing else to believe in. peter had another name called Simon and Simon peter.

Originally posted by cking
then who betrayed Jesus three times then?

Can you please think outside of your little box for just one moment?
Peter was represented as the lower form of Christ in Gnostic Christianity along with Judith.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Can you please think outside of your little box for just one moment?
Peter was represented as the lower form of Christ in Gnostic Christianity along with Judith.

Mr.smiley don't waist your time on cking. Cking will not think beyond what he was taught. Cking is not seeking.

Cking prove me wrong...

Hmm...fun stuff. Djoe, where's that info from your first post from?? I'd be interested in this stuff. It's gonna hit the fan at some point in my life when I have to declare that I'm not a Christian anymore, and I'd like to be properly armed for the ensuing battle.

Also, "The Power of Myth" was mentioned...good book.

still you didn't answer my question? who then if peter never existed or Judas never existed? do you think the Pharisees would do it? no they think they were to holy to do it.