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Which film do you think is better?

As much as I loved Batman Returns,I loved Batman Forever more.

me too...but that's not saying much...

Returns by some distance.

Returns by a whole lot.

I think i prefer Batman returns, just because the guy who plays batman fits the role better

Returns for me.

me too.

None, both sucked. But at least, batman returns had Michelle Pfeiffer in it.

Forever is easily better than the first two films because it was more like a Batman movie should be than the other two were.Batman displayed his martial arts skills and wasnt a wuss in his fights like Burton made him out to be and he did not kill people in cowardly ways either.Plus Kilmer was by far a better Bruce wayne/Batman than Keaton.He at least looked the role and it was a movie that was FINALLY about Batman instead of a movie being all about the villains with Batman having just a supporting role.

Ya sure Mr. Parker. *puts thumb up in a sarcastic manner*

More like a Batman movie? Ha! You're joking right? I have five things to say about how terrible Forever was...neon lights...Robin was like 20....bat-nipples...butt shots...and Kilmer was just some punk in a Batman costume. He never displayed intimidation at all! How can villians be afraid of a guy who doesn't even try to be even a little scary?

Oh yeah and I voted Returns.

I didn't think Kilmer was too bad, but everything else, such as the ridiculously colourful sets, the over-the-top villains, crap dialogue, robin being a whiny little punk... I could go on.

Returns beats Forever on each of those counts.

Forever because I'd have rather had the Penguin like he is in TAS instead of being a mutated freak who lives in the sewers.I would have rather wanted to see the Penguin with his hat,eyeglass,long nose and have Penguin hands but everything else about him should have been normal.

Batman Returns.

Forever was shit, but the lesser of 2 evils

I like Val Kilmer better, but as far as look and story, Forever sucked.

Both sucked and especailly this:

Both sucked up the villains to BS

Batman Returns is far better

You liked Burton's "Pengy"

Returns Returns Returns.

All the way.

Forever wasn't bad, but... *hahhh* Val Kilmer was no Batman.

Originally posted by Knightfall93
You liked Burton's "Pengy"

You know my opinion, Knightfall93...I like Burton's and Nolan's Batman...I just don't like Schumacher's Batman.

Originally posted by Knightfall93
Forever was shit, but the lesser of 2 evils

Yeah Forever was the lesser of the two evils.

Originally posted by Etrigan
Returns Returns Returns.

All the way.

Forever wasn't bad, but... *hahhh* Val Kilmer was no Batman.

Neither was Keaton.That one poster who said they liked returns better because keaton fir the part of batman better obviously never read a batman comic in his/her entire life because if they did they would know val kilmer was a much better choice for the role.He at least had a musucular build and wasnt a short runt with a pudgy gut,half bald and out out of shape.Bruce wayne is NOT that,he is like Kilmer is,muscular build,a full set of hair and tall,so thats laughable to hear that kilmer was no batman but that keaton was.

Returns.

For one example:

Catwoman's portrayal versus Two-Face OR Riddler. Which one was better? That's right, Catwoman. Pfeiffer did a great job. Two-Face and Riddler were trying to do their best Joker impressions and it was terrible.

Originally posted by NoFate007
Returns.

For one example:

Catwoman's portrayal versus Two-Face OR Riddler. Which one was better? That's right, Catwoman. Pfeiffer did a great job. Two-Face and Riddler were trying to do their best Joker impressions and it was terrible.

I voted for Returns

Originally posted by Xirius

I voted for Returns

Same here

This is an easy one.

Batman Returns.Awesome movie.

I don't know, I just don't like Micheal Keaton, or how Penguin was portrayed. That whole super ugly, mutated penguin army leader thing was a little much, even for a super hero movie.

It was the Penguin that really put me off

yeah it totally put me off as well.Penguin was the worst thing about that movie.

EXACTLY

Originally posted by atharpina
I don't know, I just don't like Micheal Keaton, or how Penguin was portrayed. That whole super ugly, mutated penguin army leader thing was a little much, even for a super hero movie.

you got good taste my man.

Haha, thanks. I'm a girl, but the gesture is not lost on me.

I actually watched the start of batman89 again last night and at the start it is actually quite good... i cant really remember it v. welll but i'm starting to wonder if i judged wrongly!

Batman returns, catwoman was portrayed as she should be

But Penguin was portarayed exactl as he SHOULD'NT be

Well I agree that he isn't the penguin from the comics...but I didn't mind the change...Sometimes changes are needed to change a character into a movie character...and this is the way Burton changed it. A really weird way, but a good way imo

Pengy's a mob boss (and I think nolan should do it using Oswald Cobblepot but he's NICKNAMED Penguin by his thugs, though he loathes it) and that would work brill. just make him short, fat, waddling, a bird lover aaaannddd mybe he likes umbrellas but nothing too weird...

Penguin only became a mob boss in the last 10 years.For 50 years prior he was a flamboyant super criminal.

really? right... I won't argue but he's better as a super criminal and if Tim Burton thought he wasnt a in- depth character and wanted to add to him, why didnt he just use someone who was a more interesting character...?

Because I think Burton knew that Pinguin is one of the most famous villains of Batman...if you look at the top three villains of Batman that is certainly: Joker, Catwoman and the Penguin in my opinion.

two face? scarecrow? Bob the goon?

Originally posted by Knightfall93
two face? scarecrow? Bob the goon?
I dont even know who Bob the goon is, but I agree that Penguin is more famous than most other villains. Maybe not more danerous or powerful, but definitely more well known.

lol...

Bob the Goon was Joker's right hand man in BATMAN (1989). The dirty guy with semi-long hair to whom JOker said "Bob? Gun" And then shoots Bob rite afterwards.

At least that's the Bob the goon I know..

I vote Batman Forever.

Yeah, that's Bob the Goon...

HI ALL! ITS DEFO RETURNS. MICHELLE LOOKS VERY HOT IN THE CAT SUIT!

Well I'm glad Batman Returns is winning...which makes completely sense of course! lol

Originally posted by Cascador
Well I'm glad Batman Returns is winning...which makes completely sense of course! lol

I agree.

Originally posted by atharpina
Haha, thanks. I'm a girl, but the gesture is not lost on me.

wow.theres more girls here in the batman section than I thought.

Originally posted by omaga
HI ALL! ITS DEFO RETURNS. MICHELLE LOOKS VERY HOT IN THE CAT SUIT!

yeah that was the ONLY good thing about that crapfest movie.

Michelle was the only good thing in that crap movie.

And i think that the three most famous batman villains are joker, catwoman and penguin. With riddler and two face very close.

Originally posted by bakerboy


And i think that the three most famous batman villains are joker, catwoman and penguin.

Which is why I'm glad Penguin and Joker may be in the sequal.

What!? What about 2 Face? Scarecrow? Bob the Goon!?

Bob the goo isnt an important batman villain, he was only the joker's goon in the tim burton movie, nothing more. He isnt in the comics.

Scarcrow is one of the important batman villains, but less important than joker, penguin, catwoman, riddler and two face.

Pengy is NOT that important... and I'm not reatarded, I KNOW Bob's not a main character

Pengy is that important.

It's why in was in the second Batman movie,and is looking like he's going to be in the new sequal too.

Not to mention he was a major villain in the 60's TV show,because he was that important back then too.

Yes, penguin IS that important. He was one of the first comic villains. He is the villain with most apparences in comics, tv shows, cartoons and all, after the joker.

I suppose he IS important, but name 1 miniseries where he was behind it... no, where he waas a fiercesome foe! i mean, NML doesn really count so... name 1

NML is not a mini series.It went on for over a year.

Well... miniseries/ maxiseries/ major event/ godsdammit, whatver!

Returns pwns by a long shot

I voted 4 Ever even though it sucked balls but i think I regret it... I can't take comedy in batman... I just can't... unless it is done PROPERLY... like batman66

Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Penguin, Scarecrow


Those are Batman's "most important" enemies. For sure.

Yeah, but Catwoman never gets the respect she deserves unless she's on batman's team... noone takes a jewel thief seriously in this town any more!

Well that was very well done in Batman Returns I think...there she got the respect...altho she wasn't really at Batman's side she killed the most hated villain of the movie IMO (altho some hate penguin more cause it isn't the penguin from the comics)

OK... I can't rem,ember BR or B89 v.well, havent seen 'em in yers...

She killed max shreck, the guy with a big neck who thought he controlled everything? the guy who pushed her out of the window?
If they make another movie with Catwoman I agree that they should focus only around catwoman and not around another villain...Batman Returns worked out fine, but I like to see more of Batman's relationship with Catwoman if she comes back in the movies.

Ha, noone would take it seriously if it was Batman against... a thief. But maybe it coul d be kind of a similar way to the TAS opner Cat and the Claw but with a better villain than Red Claw...

is this even a question? BATMAN RETURNS. the acting was excellent, catwoman was sexy as hell, devito played the Penguin as good as jack played joker, and michael keaton played batman even darker and cooler this time around then the first one even. and the batsuit kicked ass with the oval and the batmobile was just a mean machine, and gotham city looked........awsome. for me, its the best batman ever. i could relate to the characters more then any of the other batman movies. batman forever was campy and cartoony, but it was still fun and a bit darker. since im not a comic purist, i actually enjoyed, even if carrey and jones were totally dumb. but Returns takes the cake, no question.

No... no... DeVito's Penguin= bird mutant freak who needs a diet!
real pengy= bird obsessed mobster who needs a diet!

Well you can't blame DeVito of course...he just played the penguin as Burton wanted it...and he played it excellent in my opinion...He was a great penguin from Burton's poin of view of course...but he's a great actor.

I don't blame Danny de Vito but Pengy was bull shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt

Yeah he sure was.Thank god we have Nolan,a fans director.you just know if Penguin is in a sequel,Nolan will do his character justice and not make him look like some monster out of a horror movie.

Amen

returns was far better than forever, I agree that as far as the fighting, forever did batman more justice, but the movie was way overdone, and the villains didnt seem threatning at all, and also I never liked robin.

Nor did I but... the Penguin... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I think you give him too much credit Knightfall93 lol

Originally posted by Cascador
She killed max shreck, the guy with a big neck who thought he controlled everything? the guy who pushed her out of the window?
If they make another movie with Catwoman I agree that they should focus only around catwoman and not around another villain...Batman Returns worked out fine, but I like to see more of Batman's relationship with Catwoman if she comes back in the movies.

I don't think Catwoman could really pull of a movie by herself. She's too almost-good to seem like a true villian. I think BR caught a pretty good aspect of how it should be between Batman and Catwoman. If only Penguin and Micheal Keaton hadn't soiled the experience for me, I could probaly appreciate the movie a lot more.

Catwoaman can't carry a movie because...
"there's a serial killer... I mut stop him. Ohh no, there's a petty thief who wears a cat suit. That killer's not brightly dressed and flamboyant, I'll leave him!"

boo! yeh batman forever is better why are there so many votes for batman returns???

Because most people like it better,because it is the better movie

haha lol good answer

its got to batman return keaton was the best batman val sucks so does gloony but bale was also cool he bought back the darkness of batman in the movies the best movies have to be batman -bat returns and begins and i think they should remaked the villen mr freeze arlond screw himed up man they should have van desal to play him his deep vocie is cool and they should based it on how he become the villen ,not just tell u that he fell in a tup of ice?? i cont think of the world its liqud nitrogon ?? any way i have more idea on a cool mr freeze movie they should do so please email me or i m me thanks jay han solo

Originally posted by batmanreturns2k
its got to batman return keaton was the best batman


actually keaton would rival clooney as the worst Batman ever.The best batman from the 90's movies would be Kilmer but Bale blows them all away easily.

I hate peopel who wake up arguments that are settled years before!!!

hey Knightfall93 what do u think about my post

Originally posted by Mr Parker



actually keaton would rival clooney as the worst Batman ever.The best batman from the 90's movies would be Kilmer but Bale blows them all away easily.

That's your opinion.

You need to stop trying to make it everyone else's.This may be the reason you get into so many flame wars.You have to let people like what they like.

Originally posted by batmanreturns2k
its got to batman return keaton was the best batman val sucks so does gloony but bale was also cool he bought back the darkness of batman in the movies the best movies have to be batman -bat returns and begins and i think they should remaked the villen mr freeze arlond screw himed up man they should have van desal to play him his deep vocie is cool and they should based it on how he become the villen ,not just tell u that he fell in a tup of ice?? i cont think of the world its liqud nitrogon ?? any way i have more idea on a cool mr freeze movie they should do so please email me or i m me thanks jay han solo

Sounds cool I also have ideas on how Mr Freeze should be portrayed in a proper Bat film, not one with butt shots, nipples, puns and wisecracks.

Actually, Keaton and Val are about level, maybe Keaton slightly edges. I think the Burtons arent that bad after rewatching B89... Clooney waas AGONIZING

Knightfall whats happening to you? dont start losing that great taste you had that Burton is a moron when it comes to batman movies and never should have been allowed near a batman movie.

Maybe you're the one who's not got a great taste, mr Parker... yeah, B89 has its faults (Batman kills, clowny badguys) but it had good stuff too!

I thought you agreed with me that because of thopse things you just mentioned,that those things make it a horrible Batman movie since it butchered to death his character? sure it has a few good things in it,but unlike Batman Begins,the bad far outweigh the good in Burtons Crapfest movies.stick to your guns dude,dont let the Burton lovers sway you.

atleast Batman Returns didnt have nipples on the Batsuit for Christ sakes!! c'mon now, Burton should have never been allowed near a Bat film?? no, Joel Shumacher should never have been allowed. i like some of his other movies like Falling Down, but not his two 2 hour long gay jokes that were called Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. who wants to see a close up of batmans ass when he's suitin up?? or robin's for that matter? that was so gay. atleast the forst two Bat-films that Burton did were dark and brooding. and the Batmobile looked half way decent. thats my opinion anyway......thanks for listenin.

I love Batman Returns. It's just as good as Batman Begins. To me. But Mr Parker, what you are saying about Burton's batman movies is an opinion to you and not a fact, right? I respect your opinion but you should respect other's too and not say that you are right. Sure, in the first two movies, he killed people. So what? They attacked first. It's self defense. The police officers will kill if they are in danger. There's nothing extraordinary about it. Normal self-defense. But if you like the nicy batman, I respect that. I like Tim Burton's work. His movies are not for everyone to like. I like his style. You may think it's crap, but that doesn't make it a fact.

yup

Originally posted by Alec Brood
I love Batman Returns. It's just as good as Batman Begins. To me. But Mr Parker, what you are saying about Burton's batman movies is an opinion to you and not a fact, right? I respect your opinion but you should respect other's too and not say that you are right. Sure, in the first two movies, he killed people. So what? They attacked first. It's self defense. The police officers will kill if they are in danger. There's nothing extraordinary about it. Normal self-defense. But if you like the nicy batman, I respect that. I like Tim Burton's work. His movies are not for everyone to like. I like his style. You may think it's crap, but that doesn't make it a fact. That's not the point... BATMAN NEVER EVER KILLS, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

see there you go Knightfall.I like it that your not allowing the burton lovers to sway your opinion now.good for you.dont back down.Now thats the knightfall I have always known and loved.hee hee.some people just dont get it though that Burton should be shot though for his monstrocity he created..Like you said,Batman NEVER kills people dammit.especially not in the cowardly ways that idiot Burton had him doing.This isnt the punisher for god sakes.its called BATMAN . which Burtons Batman movies dont deserve to be called.

also for the burton fans.at least in batman forever,Kilmer at LEAST looked the role of Bruce Wayne.I mean short scrawney runt receding hairline michael keaton for tall,muscular handsome full set of hair bruce wayne? what a total joke. keaton brought no credibilty to the role because he didnt even fit the part.People like me and harvey dent have laughed about that casting choice over the years because it wasnt a good choice bu burton. Kilmer at least was believeable since he at least looked the part. that idiot burton only cast him though because he was friends with him and felt comfortable working with him.he did not care about making the best casting choice possible.oh man I wish my friend bakerboy would come back to talk about this. and at least forever was allo about batman for once and we understood his motivations for fighting crime and dressing up like a bat.burtons movies wer all about the villains that he ignored the character of batman pretty much.all we got out of batman 89 was that he was depressed about the killing of his parents.burtons films should have been called the joker and CATWOMAN AND PENGUINS.thats who they were ALL about with bats as just a supporting character.

LOL, and you're tryingto sway my opinion...

...wow....simply speechless

just how PERSONAL is this for you, man?

so to become your FRIEND, all we have to do is start hating on Burton, hating on Spider-man, hate X-men...love Bale, love Elektra, Daredevil, and think Kilmer is HOT.

everybody get in line

Originally posted by Doc Ock
That's your opinion.

You need to stop trying to make it everyone else's.This may be the reason you get into so many flame wars.You have to let people like what they like.

this pretty much sums it up

Originally posted by SpyCspider
...wow....simply speechless

just how PERSONAL is this for you, man?

so to become your FRIEND, all we have to do is start hating on Burton, hating on Spider-man, hate X-men...love Bale, love Elektra, Daredevil, and think Kilmer is HOT.

everybody get in line

err no I could care less if people dont like daredevil or like xmen or dont like elektra or dont think kilmer is hot.you seldom ever see me talking about those topics anymore do you? even Bakerboy doesnt like elektra but I could care less about that.you dont even see me talking about the spiderman movie either these days in case you havent noticed.and hey I never said kilmer was HOT.just that he at least fits the part.dont put words in my mouth.either you get it that burton screwed up or you dont.

anyways I have spelled it out as best I can how they are horrible movies that dont deserve to be called batman and have grown tired of it.again you either get it or you dont.

I started saying I didnt like Burton films that much so Mr parker pulls me in as his "best pal" and now I actually said burton's B89 isnt so bad and he suddenly loves Bakerby, who hasnt been on for months! Well, Mr Parker...
1)Tim Burton is NOT a spawn of satan...
2)I love the Spider- movies
3) I love X Men, comics and movies
4)Elektra movie sucks
5) daredevil movie sucks
6)Val Kilmer is an ugly d**k and wasfar worse than keaton, he was a gay freakshow!


happy, Mr Parker, approximately... everyone on this forum... thinks you talk BS!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
anyways I have spelled it out as best I can how they are horrible movies that dont deserve to be called batman and have grown tired of it.again you either get it or you dont.

Man, like everyones said already these are YOUR opinions. Yes, BB is a great film, it PROBABLY fits Batman perfectly now BUT Burtons batman was absoulutly great when it came out in 1989 and the majority of people thought so... alot of people still do. It has been said that it was the start of the new era of comic book movies... and its not that people are just Burton fans, mindlessly supporting him. For a great deal of people it was the first time someone had taken the character and had taken him seriously (in a movie) and not camped him up and when he first appeared on screen it was breathtaking. Yeah, of course NOW you can say that there were mistakes made, like anything hindsight is a fantastic thing but why can't you accept that alot of people actually like Batman89, just like some people like BB and some don't. Thats life, not everyone likes the same things!

okay I see that now your just posting to try and get a reaction out of me Knightfall.Guess what? Im not taking the bait.

No, Mr Parker, i'm serious... you're a stubborn, controlling, arrogant moron who wouldnbt know a good superhero if it hit you in the face... it just so happned batman Begins hit you somewhere lower down!

Originally posted by smiley8
Man, like everyones said already these are YOUR opinions. Yes, BB is a great film, it PROBABLY fits Batman perfectly now BUT Burtons batman was absoulutly great when it came out in 1989 and the majority of people thought so... alot of people still do. It has been said that it was the start of the new era of comic book movies... and its not that people are just Burton fans, mindlessly supporting him. For a great deal of people it was the first time someone had taken the character and had taken him seriously (in a movie) and not camped him up and when he first appeared on screen it was breathtaking. Yeah, of course NOW you can say that there were mistakes made, like anything hindsight is a fantastic thing but why can't you accept that alot of people actually like Batman89, just like some people like BB and some don't. Thats life, not everyone likes the same things!

maybe the majority of batfans but not movie goers. alot of people also have come out since batman begins admitting that 89 is not that good of a movie though.I know posters at other sites and in real life that I know loved 89 but now are admitting its not that good.I have been saying there were mistakes in the very BEGINNING back in 89 when it came out,not just now so have many people I know.they just arent as passionate about it as I him to come on here and voice thier anger over how that idiot burton messed up the batman movies with his horrible casting choice of keaton as batman his killings,ect.I can accept it.I have known for years most moviegoers enjoy watching crap. the phamtom menace star wars movie is proof of that.

Originally posted by Knightfall93
No, Mr Parker, i'm serious... you're a stubborn, controlling, arrogant moron who wouldnbt know a good superhero if it hit you in the face... it just so happned batman Begins hit you somewhere lower down!
again give up knightfall Im not taking the bait and playing your game.

Yeah,but you're just trying to avoid the argument... you're ignoring the post because you cant reply!

look Parker, I simply don't understand how big that chip is on your shoulder regarding this issue.

sometimes i agree with what you say and you do give insightful posts, BUT i seriously don't understand where this Burton hate is coming from. So you didn't like his interpretation.....OK WE GOT IT. No point in jamming it down everybody's throat and then tell people to stop being negative towards something you actually do like. That's simply being hypocritical.


And if you value your own opinions so much and could care less what other people think about certain movies, why do you keep on giving shoutouts to Harvey Dent or Bakerboy whenever they agree with you? And dont' say it's just Batman, because I've seen you spewing the same criticisms to people who liked Spider-man or X-men and hated Daredevil or Elektra.

I pity this vendetta you have. It's just a movie. Get. Over. It.

AMEN

SpyCspider...I completely agree with what you said about Parker...but it's no use I think...The guy is like a forum troll, no matter what you say, you're only encouraging him...Avoid the forum troll!

Originally posted by SpyCspider
look Parker, I simply don't understand how big that chip is on your shoulder regarding this issue.

sometimes i agree with what you say and you do give insightful posts, BUT i seriously don't understand where this Burton hate is coming from. So you didn't like his interpretation.....OK WE GOT IT. No point in jamming it down everybody's throat and then tell people to stop being negative towards something you actually do like. That's simply being hypocritical.


And if you value your own opinions so much and could care less what other people think about certain movies, why do you keep on giving shoutouts to Harvey Dent or Bakerboy whenever they agree with you? And dont' say it's just Batman, because I've seen you spewing the same criticisms to people who liked Spider-man or X-men and hated Daredevil or Elektra.

I pity this vendetta you have. It's just a movie. Get. Over. It.

I have to agree with him Mr Parker.

I've said before,you have to stop belittling people for liking something you don't.You're doing yourself no favors.

Don't try and force your opinions on others.It doesn't work like that.How would you like it if people were constantly snapping at your heels because you like Superman or Batman Begins??

I'm almost tempted to do that even though I love both...

This one is a tough one. They're both Batman films that are in the loosest sense, and they both have their good moments and their bad. In Batman Returns, the good parts were easily the tense relationship between Bruce and Selina, and conversely Batman and Catwoman. The bad parts was the almost forced storyline involving the Penguin's run for the mayor, and the even more forced Max Schreck. With Batman Forever, the good parts were both the Riddler's and Robin's methodical introductions. The bad parts were the campy Two-face (such as waste) and all the neon. I'm kind of torn on this one. They're both enjoyable summer popcorn movies in a sense, yet neither is great and neither is bad. In the end though, if I had to ultimately choose, I would pick Returns, since it had the last outing of the great Michael Keaton as Batman and Bruce Wayne. Just seeing him in that dark and brooding scene at the very beginning of the film completely sells me as Batman.

Well, popularity wise Forever wtfpwned Returns. It's still the highest grossing Batman movie to date (yes, as phenomenal as Begins is, Forever made the most money of all the Batman movies). But personally I thought Kilmer pulled off Bruce Wayne and Batman better than Keaton in the end. Although I didn't like the way the way the villains were done in Forever, waaaaay to campy. And speaking of bad characters, Chris O'Donnel was 1.) Way too old to play Dick Grayson/Robin (I believe he was 28 at the time) and 2.) Was too whiny and childish.

Niether of the movies were oustanding IMO, but Forever has the edge over Returns....ever-so slightly.

I voted for Batman Forever.Other than Batman Begins.it was the only other good Batman movie thats been made so far.

BF was crap... I cat really remember BR so, having rewatched and reconsidered 89, I'm not sure my view...

well I think you might like Batman Returns Knightfall...it has more action than the one of 89...there is only one thing you won't like and that's the penguin...I think it's rather clear you don't like that he became a freak lol

LOL, it's about all I can remember having not seen returns in 10 years!

Neither is great, but Batman Returns was definitely better.

Batman Returns was better with out a showdow of a doubt.

Originally posted by Knightfall93
LOL, it's about all I can remember having not seen returns in 10 years!

See it, see it.

Originally posted by Jedi Shmedi:
Well, popularity wise Forever wtfpwned Returns. It's still the highest grossing Batman movie to date (yes, as phenomenal as Begins is, Forever made the most money of all the Batman movies).



Not true, here are the rankings of the six live-action full-length Batman movies.

1. Batman 89
2. Batman Begins
3. Batman Forever
4. Batman Returns
5. Batman and Robin
6. Batman 66

Here are the rankings (not including B66) adjusted for inflation, which is a more accurate reflection of box office sales.)

1. Batman

2. Batman Forever

3. Batman Returns

4. Batman Begins

5. Batman and Robin

Originally posted by Jedi Shmedi
Well, popularity wise Forever wtfpwned Returns. It's still the highest grossing Batman movie to date (yes, as phenomenal as Begins is, Forever made the most money of all the Batman movies). But personally I thought Kilmer pulled off Bruce Wayne and Batman better than Keaton in the end. Although I didn't like the way the way the villains were done in Forever, waaaaay to campy. And speaking of bad characters, Chris O'Donnel was 1.) Way too old to play Dick Grayson/Robin (I believe he was 28 at the time) and 2.) Was too whiny and childish.

Niether of the movies were oustanding IMO, but Forever has the edge over Returns....ever-so slightly.

I'd go with that. Although Carrey did lose it more often then not he did tap into the Riddler at some points and it was quite disturbing. Tommy-Lee Jones also lost it but didn't overplay it too much, I mean, come on he's got to appear to be insane and sane at the same time while working off an actor like Carrey. Kilmer is better than Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Kilmer acted better the dinstinction between Wayne and Batman (the film helped that), he had the better look and voice for both and he was more physically suited than Keaton.
Kilmer played the part as someone trying to not get involved with women and thriving on the loneliness he has to suffer since the death of his parents but Keaton played it as if Bruce Wayne couldn't keep it in his pants.
People say Forever is over-the-top with neon and comedy but in the same respect Returns is just as retarded in having Penguin a disfigured freak who growls and grunts and leers, lives in the sewers, rides on a giant rubber ducky and hangs about with penguins with missiles strapped to their backs (also these disturbingly dressed circus clowns).

Errr... BF and BR sucked...

Batman Returns does not suck.

I hated the betrayal of Pengy and havent seen it for years, OK?

Originally posted by Scarecrow756
Batman Returns does not suck.


Yes it does.

But why does it suck/ why not? I've only heard Mr Parker whine about pengy and I've heard people say how they love selina but that's all...

Batman kicks ass in it...so what if he kills...it's an action movie...boohoohoo..."batman kills wheeeeeiii, not true! Batman does not kill!!! wheeeeeiii"
And no other woman could play catwoman as sexy as Michelle Pfeiffer! She rocks the world with her tail....

come on man the votes say bat return s is the better film ok ,val sucked as batman ,Keaton is so far the best bat and bale he s good but Keaton had the dark voice that batman is supposed to have and don't get me started on forever and batman and robin oh for f--k sack man that was shit oh robin his suit was the nightwing style and he was what 25 so crap they needed a kid to play robin and don't get me started on Arnie as mr freeze ahh f--k (i think in the G N or comics when u see freeze he so cool he my third best villen to me in comics thou but arnie f--k him up with his shit acting pease read my other post for who should play mr freeze thanks gtg know bat wishs jay

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Yes it does.

right on K.Diddy. It sucks even worse than the first one did matter of fact. Batman Begins is the ONE and ONLY "TRUE" Batman movie with Bale easily being the best Bruce Wayne/Batman to have played the role so far.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
right on K.Diddy. It sucks even worse than the first one did matter of fact. Batman Begins is the ONE and ONLY "TRUE" Batman movie with Bale easily being the best Bruce Wayne/Batman to have played the role so far.

That's new...that's one thing I would "never" suspect you to say mr. parker!

Originally posted by Cascador
Batman kicks ass in it...so what if he kills...it's an action movie...boohoohoo..."batman kills wheeeeeiii, not true! Batman does not kill!!! wheeeeeiii"
And no other woman could play catwoman as sexy as Michelle Pfeiffer! She rocks the world with her tail....

Yeah but the movie raped to death his character with him killing people like he did. The movie doesnt deserve to be called batman if they are going to rape to death his character like that.The Punisher Returns would have been a more appropriate name for it.THATS The Punishers style,not Batman.

Catwoman was the only good thing about that movie.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
I voted for Batman Forever.Other than Batman Begins.it was the only other good Batman movie thats been made so far.

Good to see another poster here that has good taste.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Good to see another poster here that has good taste.

Looking at the poll it's good to see that most of the people here have good taste lol

yeah its pretty pathectic how you all could care less about that idiot Burton raping to death Batmans character like he did turning him into a cowardly killer.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah its pretty pathectic how you all could care less about that idiot Burton raping to death Batmans character like he did turning him into a cowardly killer.

You've really devoted your life bashing him...somehow that is..."admirable"...somehow it's really pathetic...like you got nothing better to do, cause you see it in every post, well enjoy your bashing....I mean your life Parker!

Originally posted by batmanreturns2k
come on man the votes say bat return s is the better film ok ,val sucked as batman ,Keaton is so far the best bat and bale he s good but Keaton had the dark voice that batman is supposed to have and don't get me started on forever and batman and robin oh for f--k sack man that was shit oh robin his suit was the nightwing style and he was what 25 so crap they needed a kid to play robin and don't get me started on Arnie as mr freeze ahh f--k (i think in the G N or comics when u see freeze he so cool he my third best villen to me in comics thou but arnie f--k him up with his shit acting pease read my other post for who should play mr freeze thanks gtg know bat wishs jay Actuaklly, Chris O'Donnell was 28! And I prefer to all him "Gaywing"

yeah thats a good name for him i was watching the nightwing fan film at http://www.batmanfanfilms.com/ and i thought it was better then batman forever and bat and robin

ANYTHING's better than BF and B&R, even watching re-runs of "Teletubbies" 75 times in a row...

O donnell was 25 in batman forever and 27 in batman and robin. He was too old , for not mention to be like a gay partner for batman and his acting skills were a joke. The kid can act.

There are only two things as bad as batman forever and batman and robin, and they are batman 89 and batman returns. The four films are absolutely terrible.

That's harsh... I have to say, Batman 89 at least is no where near as ba as what Burton did to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory! Man, he must have been snorting, smoking and whetever else-ing some really hard stuff!

Originally posted by bakerboy
O donnell was 25 in batman forever and 27 in batman and robin. He was too old , for not mention to be like a gay partner for batman and his acting skills were a joke. The kid can act.

There are only two things as bad as batman forever and batman and robin, and they are batman 89 and batman returns. The four films are absolutely terrible.

Yeah those four Batman films sure are absolutely terrible.they are a disgrace to his character and the comicbook unlike Batman Begins.

2 Batman films, actually

Yeah Batman and Batman Returns were decent.

Though far from the legendary BB and B66!!!