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thursday 21/07/05 -In London, three metrostations were evacuated. The Firedepartment and other help are at the scene. The police is refering to "multiple incidents". It is unclear what is happening.

The metrostations of Warren Steet Shepherds Bush and Oval are evacuated. Warren Street got evacuated after the news that smoke came out of the tubes.

A witness told a fellow traveler that a small explosion had blew up a backpack.

Anonymous sources at the subways are talking about a nailbomb and a shooting. Also there is a claim that detonators went off and not real bombs.

The police furthermore refered to an incident at a buss in Hackney, East London.

More news will follow.

(source: vrtnieuws.net)

The bus-incident caused no victims, only one window got blown out.

The police doesn't count this all as a "serious incident" yet but Tony Blair has postponed his visit nontheless.

looks like a new trend.

The police chief has "upgraded" the incident to "very serious", saying there were four explosions or attempts to explode, the bombs are smaller than those of two weeks ago.
Scotland Yard have asked people to stay inside. The number of victims have been labeled as "limited".

According to Associated Press, men in chemical protectionsuits went to the station of Warren Street.
Talk has it that armed policemen have entered the University College Hospital, later on they enclosed it.

Mayor Ken Livingstone already cancelled a visit he would do today.

yeah i just seen this on the news wtf is with these people.

A witness saw someone throw a backpack in and ran, the person could get out since people's attempts to catch him failed.

A trainguard said, according to the victim:
"Everybody off the train! We're evacuating the station." With people running into a carriage screaming: "Smoke! Smoke!"

The stations that got hit are:
Shepherds Bush
Warren Street
Oval

The bus was on:
Hackney Road


The situation has not been lifted up to a "major incident" yet.


Police Chief of London:
- 4 explosions, bus has no injured
- metro had only detonators and a nailbomb possibly but the bombs failed, they think
- police went into a hospital, at this very moment they have arrested someone and are searching him
- Oval has no chemical traces of a bomb
- they think the main cause this time was to cause panic
- three light injured police officers have been reported

Completely depressing.

Worse over, it's only a matter of time before Novusordo starts up on the numerology and goverment crap.

I was just watching the coverage on the BBC, armed police just arrested a guy outside of Whitehall....I thought they might leave England alone for awhile

thoes are/were prety scary
shepards bush is quite close to where i live...

I was watching the news as it came in, been watching it all day since it happened.

sounds to me like it was some kind of amateur copycat attempt....

shrug

Just glad it seems to have been a failed attempt... only 1 injury.

Originally posted by Uneeklyconfused
thoes are/were prety scary
shepards bush is quite close to where i live... Damn..that's scary

Originally posted by Fionnuala
Damn..that's scary

yea i know ... im just hoping that thoes 'incidents' dont get any closer....

I was in Knightsbridge London today. We had Four more explosions and it took me two hours to drive home it usually only takes thirty minutes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

Thankfully only one injured...

Two arrested is the latest...

I was in Knightsbridge today I went home past the Oval station back into South London. It takes me 30 minutes normally to get home today it took two hours. London is under siege, but we will keep not bow to terrorism.

This whole thing is crazy... Its hard to believe that anyone could do this kind of thing.

What is going on? Anyone know?

The police are still colating info right now....
No one has claimed responsibilty yet..
and still the figures remain unchanged pertaining to arrests/injuries....

these terrorists seem to like London for some reason, usually they don't stay in one spot, hopefully everyone wasn't injured.

the reports are that they bombs detonators went off but not the bombs themselves...

this could be due to the fact that if they were made from the same batch of explosives that were used in the previous attacks then the explosives may have destabilised to much to be "useful"

this could potentially be a huge blessing as the intact explosives will yield huge amount of forensic evidence with which to help track down those reponsible...

Originally posted by jaden101
the reports are that they bombs detonators went off but not the bombs themselves...

this could be due to the fact that if they were made from the same batch of explosives that were used in the previous attacks then the explosives may have destabilised to much to be "useful"

this could potentially be a huge blessing as the intact explosives will yield huge amount of forensic evidence with which to help track down those reponsible...

Yeah and when they DO catch the guy I hope they beat the ****in' shit out of him like they did Richard Reid. I can't say anything new at this point because we all agree something has to be done and we've all said the usual stuff, but just once I'd like to see one of these guys get caught and get the stuffing kicked out of him. No good lowlife bastards.

Breaking news:

Police have just shot a man dead in London (Stockwell tube station)..
Was he carrying bombs I wonder... For those not in the know, for police to be shooting someone its gotta be serious... Its not often at all that armed police fire on people here... Was he carrying explosives?

There were police alerts at two other locations.. At vauxhall and by the MI5 headquarters....
Ah.

Theyve just announced that the man was a suspect from yesterday running from plain clothes armed police and they opened fire as he was evading arrest....

yeah according to Eye Witnesses he was shot 5 times.

the police have supposedly been watching this guy from yesterday.

LINK

Shame he couldn't be taken alive. He might have had alot of useful information. Still, better I guess that he is taken out of circulation, one way of another.

If of course he had bombs and was up to something potentially dangerous. If we was unarmed, or maybe even innocent it wouldn't be all that good.

This sucks big time - i'm surprised noone beat the living daylights out of those people when their attempts failed. This also sucks big time cos its causing a rise in racism. People who've never said so much as a racist joke before are coming out with sh*t bout denying the muslim population in the UK the same rights as the rest of us.

Yeah while they held him down....

They were saying on ITV news a bit ago that it was 'cause of reduction of likely hood of accidentally shooting bystanders and that the ammo used had lower velocity and power (A type not meant to easily penetrate fusilages on planes and other vehicle skins as a public safety precaution...

Wow, you'd still think that human skin would be easier to penetrate than metal in anycase...

Hearing a fair bit about no warnings given on the train by the police to the man, but maybe they warned him prior to that....

Cheers for the link TM...

Originally posted by naybean
This sucks big time - i'm surprised noone beat the living daylights out of those people when their attempts failed. This also sucks big time cos its causing a rise in racism. People who've never said so much as a racist joke before are coming out with sh*t bout denying the muslim population in the UK the same rights as the rest of us.

Indeed.

And what with the publically speculated links with Pakistan too,
Londons Pakistani community may bare some slings and arrows of ignorance too.... Bad news all round...

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Shame he couldn't be taken alive. He might have had alot of useful information. Still, better I guess that he is taken out of circulation, one way of another.

If of course he had bombs and was up to something potentially dangerous. If we was unarmed, or maybe even innocent it wouldn't be all that good.

I have heard reports (Unconfirmed) on ITV news that he was carrying a black handgun...

This may explain why they felt they had to shoot...

no problem SoG

the police were under orders i think that if they expected someone was going to preform a terroist attack then they were to shot to kill. which is what they did. 5 times lol.

They must have shot him in the head IMO. because they couldn't shoot him in the chest if they had suspition he was carrying bombs cause they would have exploded and i dont think that getting shot in the legs/arms wouldn't kill you right off.

That makes sense...

does dont it

Hearing more descriptions of the man as no-backpack and no gun....
Could've been wearing explosives under his coat... which as you've said, would pose the neccessary threat to the require the Police firing in such a manner..
Also after the news of New York police doing random backpack searches and our police being more suspicious of backpacks too, it'd make sense for a bomber to use other forms of concealment, I guess..

and as i have said they have been watching this guy since yesterday because they think that he was one of the bombers who escaped.

Yes, quite true, and it would be quite an ironic bit of justice if their bombs, their tools of destruction led to serious arrests and capture of thos responsible and the ring leaders etc.

Somethings going on at Harrow road in London...
Armed police are preparing for something pretty big apparently...
Bomb disposal units have been deployed...

havent heard anything about that.

Man this is worrying. Manchester city centre (where I spend a lot of time) has been a target in the past, and besides Birmingham, is a likely target too.

There's nothing you can do. You can't give in, and you can't put your life on hold either. Very sad state of affairs.

Where's Jack Bauer when you need him eh?

yeah he would sort this out

Definitely.

He'd find the terrorists in a few hours, interrogate them, and get the answers he needs out of them by banging his fist on the table and yelling "WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?! TELL ME WHERE YOUR FRIENDS ARE NOW!!!!"

Then, with the permission of the President, decapitate them gruesomely, stick the bomb inside their head, destroy their base and proceed to eliminate every single one of the terrorists. With a lead pipe. On his own. Blindfolded.

that he would.

Police have realised photos of 4 men who they want to speak to.

LINK..

This is what I admire about you Brits, you guys take action and go to town when your safety is threatened. Here in America, every whining liberal and aging radical starts shouting shit about civil rights. America should learn from you guys that the only way to ensure safety is to act and act regardless of what the unpopular section thinks.

In America we worry about terrorists so much but yet allow every aging liberal hippe and radical college professor in the ACLU's honor rolls dictate what we do and when. Makes me sick some days.

My hat goes off to Britian. You guys are some tough mofo's. Kick ass boys!

true, America does whine too much when they get attacked in their cities. they need to stop whining and take action.

Originally posted by cking
true, America does whine too much when they get attacked in their cities. they need to stop whining and take action.

Goddamn right. Like with this new thing in New York with the bag searches..noone's rights are being violated. If someone refuses to a search, they don't ride the train. Noone's twisting their arm. Fair enough.

I'd rather have 5 to 10 minutes of my time taken up to ensure my safety and everyone else's in the train. You can spare some time for safety's sake or you can risk another attack. The choice is simple.

what the problem with the 9/11 attacks is that America could have prevented it. if there security was more harsh then the terrorists would have been caught before they got into the planes. someone was being a little lazy that day.

Roosevelt knew japan was going to bomb pearl harbor but he didn't do any thing about it until pearl harbor was bombed.

Well it also could have been prevented if a certain Mr. Clinton listened to the Saudis and Kuwaitis when they told him Osama was in Kenya and the Sudan backin the 90's. But no, Clinton sat back and imposed gun bans, kowtowed to pro-drug and pro abortion groups, and screwed with Monica Lewinsky. And as a result of THAT inaction, we lost our embassies in Sudan and Kenya and the first WTC attack took place.

9-11 is no one administration's fault, as we now see that it's a result of a chain of failures. What suprises me abuot Clinton is despite all this, he said not actin in Rwanda was his biggest regret as a president. Good one, Bill.

Clinton had nothing else better to do than have an affair with Monica Lewinsky. Clinton so far is the most liberal president I have seen. I wouldn't be anyone who voted for Clinton anyway. America must have done something to them that must have caused this, they wouldn't attack for nothing. I'm talking about things the media never gives us the information about and won't.

Originally posted by cking
what the problem with the 9/11 attacks is that America could have prevented it. if there security was more harsh then the terrorists would have been caught before they got into the planes. someone was being a little lazy that day.

Which proves to me that the ACLU had their hands in it again..what would have happened if these guys were stopped with arrest?

The ACLU would start with profiling allegations, racial abuse, ect. and the guys would have been able to escape thru the loophole of the lack of definition of the phrase "enemy combatant." So while the attacks would have been stopped and many lives saved, the anger and resentment over picking on "a few poor Muslims" would have probably wound up making more anger and hatred. Save a few thousand people but become evil profiling racist bastards in the process. You just can't win.

yes, you just can't win, so the song "osama is yo momma." is played by ray Stevens. osama probably heard that sound and he probably plays it just to intimidate Americans. I watched it on TV and it was very funny. it showed osama being shot at by Americans. it was animated but still very funny.

Originally posted by cking
Clinton had nothing else better to do than have an affair with Monica Lewinsky. Clinton so far is the most liberal president I have seen. I wouldn't be anyone who voted for Clinton anyway. America must have done something to them that must have caused this, they wouldn't attack for nothing. I'm talking about things the media never gives us the information about and won't.

Well Clinton's next big idea is in 2006-after becoming UN general secretary, he and Hillary want to make all private gun ownership in America illegal. Save for government officials and police and military. Good one Bill. Re write the 2nd Amendment for you and your buddies and make it a crime for ordinary citizens to trap shoot, hunt,and enjoy recreational shooting. Handing our constitution over to the UN? here we go...the Beta version of Socialist America.

Anyhow, sorry about the off topic there-just wanted to remind everyone of the further adventures of the Democratic liberals who want to make YOUR rights a crime while they reserve them for themselves. Back to the topic.

once again Clinton and his liberal rules prevail once again. that would be retarded if all our guns are gone. that isn't right, we citizens are the true protectors of this country. not military, government officials, and definitely not police.

Originally posted by cking
yes, you just can't win, so the song "osama is yo momma." is played by ray Stevens. osama probably heard that sound and he probably plays it just to intimidate Americans. I watched it on TV and it was very funny. it showed osama being shot at by Americans. it was animated but still very funny.

I saw it too. Remember the Bin Laden liquors game too? Took about 2 or 3 days to get THAT one off the Net'...you shot Bin Laden every time he popped up in his liquor store and he was wearing a 7-11 jacket. Youir guy had a pistol in one hand and a Slurpee in the other. It was brilliant

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Well Clinton's next big idea is in 2006-after becoming UN general secretary, he and Hillary want to make all private gun ownership in America illegal. Save for government officials and police and military. Good one Bill. Re write the 2nd Amendment for you and your buddies and make it a crime for ordinary citizens to trap shoot, hunt,and enjoy recreational shooting. Handing our constitution over to the UN? here we go...the Beta version of Socialist America.

Well yes but what aboot the the amendments I, IV, V, VI that the current administration decided to violate...no talking aboot that?

And the way the US people can acces guns juwst is wrong.......whatever you say...

Originally posted by cking
once again Clinton and his liberal rules prevail once again. that would be retarded if all our guns are gone. that isn't right, we citizens are the true protectors of this country. not military, government officials, and definitely not police.

Maybe..but what is even worse: You citizens are the True threat to your country.......(and other citizens)

I don't remember that. but this video showed bin laden running around and in front of the screen was a target and bin laden would get shot and he would hid under a rock. I saw when ray Steven dressed up as uncle Sam and he dressed up as osama and his comrades were break dancing in the caves. ray Stevens did have some great videos.

it wasn't the military who won the revolutionary war but the militia of plain citizens.

Originally posted by cking
once again Clinton and his liberal rules prevail once again. that would be retarded if all our guns are gone. that isn't right, we citizens are the true protectors of this country. not military, government officials, and definitely not police.

Well here's the thing: theis ban applies only to the U.S. and to no other country. What does that tell you right there? And from the UN no less? Proposals for UN security to be mobilized to assist in the disarmament have also been proposed. Imagine UN Blue Helmets coming into YOUR house, and taking YOUR rights away? They want us defenseless so the rest of the world can walk all over us.

This is no joke either. Anyone who enjoys recreational shooting or hunting, get this message out NOW. Don't let YOUR rights be handed to the U.N.

And yes Cking, America's citizens have as much right to defend their country as anyone else. Our Constitution states that we need a well regulated militia, needed for the security of a free state. The right of the people to Keep And Bear Arms,will not be infringed.

This is the United States, not the UN-ited States. End of story.

Originally posted by cking
it wasn't the military who won the revolutionary war but the militia of plain citizens.

It wasn't the military that kills 10000 US citizens every year but the other citizens that have M16s at home.....

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Well here's the thing: theis ban applies only to the U.S. and to no other country. What does that tell you right there? And from the UN no less? Proposals for UN security to be mobilized to assist in the disarmament have also been proposed. Imagine UN Blue Helmets coming into YOUR house, and taking YOUR rights away? They want us defenseless so the rest of the world can walk all over us.

This is no joke either. Anyone who enjoys recreational shooting or hunting, get this message out NOW. Don't let YOUR rights be handed to the U.N.

And yes Cking, America's citizens have as much right to defend their country as anyone else. Our Constitution states that we need a well regulated militia, needed for the security of a free state. The right of the people to Keep And Bear Arms,will not be infringed.

This is the United States, not the UN-ited States. End of story.

You are talkign Bullshit...you have the Strongest Military in the world (made out of citizens) and other countries don't have guns in the first place....and when was the last time you had to save your home from UN Blue Helmets? Oh boy, but if they come...and they surely will because...well...err...that what the UN alwaqys does ( :wtf ) then it will be a good thing that you have ten Rifles at home........because only Militia will safe your country....stop shitting yourself boy.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
And the way the US people can acces guns juwst is wrong.......whatever you say...

Dude, you have no right to complain considering the little man with the mustache took guns away from his own people prior to a certain little international block party he threw from 1939-1945. America's gun ownership is our business. Though I agree with you that NOONE has the right to own an assault weapon. So I'll give you that much.

Are you aware of the NICS background check?

Started in 1998:

NICS (National Instant Check System) is required before buying a gun.

Your social security number is dialed to the state police and federal law enforcement agencies of your state before the gun is bought. Your mental, criminal, and physical records are totally accessed, and if ANY information you provide on the form is inconsistent with the database, you CANNOT buy a gun. If you have a conviction for as little as throwing something at someone or shoving someone, you CAN'T buy a gun.

You cannot lie on this form because your permanent records are matched against the info you provide. It's a far cry from perfect but this is a safer step. And while you can't stop organized crime, this system ensures that people who are better capable of having guns buy them.

I have no criminal records, no felonies, and I am legally entitled to own a gun under the laws of my state. And I and other people shouldn't have our rights taken away as a result of those who are criminal in their intent.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are talkign Bullshit...you have the Strongest Military in the world (made out of citizens) and other countries don't have guns in the first place....and when was the last time you had to save your home from UN Blue Helmets? Oh boy, but if they come...and they surely will because...well...err...that what the UN alwaqys does ( :wtf ) then it will be a good thing that you have ten Rifles at home........because only Militia will safe your country....stop shitting yourself boy.....

Boy, sounds like SOMEONE'S pissed that Germany didn't win the war...there again I won't deny you your right to make your little banner that says "United States Of Germany." I mean, why should we shatter your dreams, esp. since that's all it ever was?

And FYI Schultz..In England people are allowed to have shotguns and hunting rifles as long as they have the proper permits. Maybe YOU'RE pissed off because YOU don't have one.

Also, Bardock42. You might want to be aware that maybe the UN is pissed because it can't have it's way with America. Sorry but a well regulated militia DOES have that effect on pipe dreaming Socialists who want to use us their own personal mat to walk on.

There again, maybe you should just admit your OWN country's residual feelings about America and Jews and apply it to the reasoning for Germany opposing the Iraq war or the War On Terror in general..why would Germany make war against a country with whom they shared a common enemy?

Look at your own shit before you start checking others' for worms, and stop shitting YOURSELF, boy

I've heard that some of the bombs, never worked and didn't blow up. I guess that'll help see who's behind this bullshit.

Anyhow, back to the topic. Yes 2Tidus! Forensic evidence may be strong in this case. Let's hope they apply the best reasoning and logic to it.

I don't have and never had anything to do with Hitler...but thank you for at least knowing that there wa someone called that.

Now, am not against guns for sporting, hunting or collecting reasons...but there is no other reason why anyone in any western coutry needs a gun.....you have a good Army and a good Police.....there is no reason for every citizen to be armed..on the contrary it is very harmful....

Good job triple posting idiot....anyways I don't feel any hate towards America or Jews for that matter.....I just don't like Redneck Dipshits that love to sleep with there guns....that's all....

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't have and never had anything to do with Hitler...but thank you for at least knowing that there wa someone called that.

Now, am not against guns for sporting, hunting or collecting reasons...but there is no other reason why anyone in any western coutry needs a gun.....you have a good Army and a good Police.....there is no reason for every citizen to be armed..on the contrary it is very harmful....

And thank you for realizing that I do NOT support assault weapons. But you went off on me assuming the worst and I retaliated and we both wound up looking like 2 year olds. Forget about it, it's water under the bridge.

Not every citizen is armed, that's a common misconception. And that's all I use my guns for, is sporting. I shoot trap and skeet with an old 12 gauge shotgun. What harm is done in THAT? Am I hurting anyone?

And FYI-NOT having a gun is just as bad. How many times have entire families been killed by one or more people armed with nothing more than a knife? You don't have to cower to a violent home intruder. It's YOUR home. And the places with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rates. Hello Washington D.C....

And maybe part of my attitude comes from having several family members in law enforcement, but that's how it is. I would rather take my chances being tried and convicted by a jury of twelve,than to be carried out and buried by a party of six.

And finally, it IS the duty of every citizen to defend their country. If our police and military get held up at the front lines, or they get neutralized, it IS up to every law abiding citizen to lay their lives down for their country. Your (our) freedom came from someone else's sacrifice and if it takes ordinary people like you and I to repel an invader, so be it.

Someone died to give me MY freedom, and yours as well, and I (we) have a duty to do the same.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't have and never had anything to do with Hitler...but thank you for at least knowing that there wa someone called that.



Good job triple posting idiot....anyways I don't feel any hate towards America or Jews for that matter.....I just don't like Redneck Dipshits that love to sleep with there guns....that's all....

Just covering all the bases here, friend.

Admit that you guys in Europe see YOUR fair share of Americans as racist bigots who hate homosexuals and Muslims. And as far as your generalization of "Redneck Dipshits who love to sleep with their guns" you have done a fair amount of labelling yourself. So bravo to you too.

More worrying posts in a thread supposed to be about the problems my home town has

Originally posted by whirlysplat
More worrying posts in a thread supposed to be about the problems my home town has

Fair enough, and I'm sorry Whirlysplat.

I shouldn't have mentioned the Clinton Gun Ban follies and the UN's dream of a disarmed America, it's just when cking and I mentioned Clinton and his administration, I got off on a rant about the chain of failures leading to this sad state we are all in, and I thought I would point out another idiotic political folly that in essence is only a generic answer to a deeper and more serious problem. I will personally apologize to you and I will mention no more of this. Fair enough?

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Fair enough, and I'm sorry Whirlysplat.

I shouldn't have mentioned the Clinton Gun Ban follies and the UN's dream of a disarmed America, it's just when cking and I mentioned Clinton and his administration, I got off on a rant about the chain of failures leading to this sad state we are all in, and I thought I would point out another idiotic political folly that in essence is only a generic answer to a deeper and more serious problem. I will personally apologize to you and I will mention no more of this. Fair enough?
fair enough mate

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Just covering all the bases here, friend.

Admit that you guys in Europe see YOUR fair share of Americans as racist bigots who hate homosexuals and Muslims. And as far as your generalization of "Redneck Dipshits who love to sleep with their guns" you have done a fair amount of labelling yourself. So bravo to you too.

Not a major share...I lived in the US and I know most are great people...w2ay nicer than most germans.,..I was just saying what kind of people with guns I was talkin aboot...it was really not meant as a personal insult but more of my view on guns in general...I life in a country where we don't need them so and I feel perfetly safe....

But you are right I behaved like an idiot with labeling people so forgive me, i just don't see the necessity of guns to protect oneself.....

Originally posted by whirlysplat
fair enough mate

Thanks man.

Nice posts If everyone could behave like this the world would be a cooler place

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not a major share...I lived in the US and I know most are great people...w2ay nicer than most germans.,..I was just saying what kind of people with guns I was talkin aboot...it was really not meant as a personal insult but more of my view on guns in general...I life in a country where we don't need them so and I feel perfetly safe....

But you are right I behaved like an idiot with labeling people so forgive me, i just don't see the necessity of guns to protect oneself.....

Fair enough, but all I was saying, and pointing out, was that as far as removal of civil rights and liberties, the American Constitution was in danger in more areas than one,and by a group of hypocrites who want it all for themselves. Has it ever been any different?

All I was was saying is that the UN has no business trying to change America's Constitution. Our Constitutional rights are OUR business.

The day the UN delegates pay off their 50+million doallrs in traffic tickets they avoid with their diplomatic immunity, then they can start talking about individual responsibility..if you'd like to continue this in a separate thread, feel free, I'm always open to opposite points of view. This isn't the thread to do it in, OK? Peace

DB

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Nice posts If everyone could behave like this the world would be a cooler place

Well it won't be a cooler place where I live for at least another month, it's almost 100 degrees outside today, but I'll take a downpayment on coolness knowing the KMF people are people you can talk to and make up with with no hard feelings. Anyhow back to the topic.

We were all hoping that the UXB's would provide some forensic evidence as to who did it and why. Forensics is a fascinating field and one that is hardly ever wrong. I hope they find out who did this and let em' have it.