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It has constantly been stated that the LT is the most powerful being that will ever be seen in Marvel, yet the LT was defeated by Thanos when he got The Heart of the Universe. I don't think that THOTU made Thanos more powerful than the LT, but rather put Thanos close to the LT in terms of power.

From that point, it becomes a matter of skill. The LT has NEVER had to actually fight a real battle before. He was so powerful, he didn't need to really fight. Thus, he lacks any sort of combat skills. Thanos, on the other hand, has waged many battles and stood toe to toe with the greatest combatant in the universe.

If you took Mike Tyson in his prime and put him in a street fight with Arnold Schwartznegger in his prime, who do you think would win? Tyson! Arnold may be bigger and stronger, but all he has is power - no experience having to use that power in a fight. Tyson has less power, but he knows how to use the power he has to get the most "bang for his buck."

If Thanos had really been at the Tribunal's level, he wouldn't have stopped with just that universe. He would have gone from reality to reality to he dominated the entire Marvel Multiverse.

Opinions?

Thanos erased everything. If LT was all powerful he would have stopped Thanos, LT would not have get sucked into Thanos like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/ThanosabsorbingLT.bmp

But what I'm saying is that there have been many occasions when the winner of a fight wasn't the strongest or most powerful person. If two near omnipotent beings squared off against each other, the battle would be decided by more than just the use of raw power.

what is the heart of the universe...what does it do?

LT=Servant of the TOAA
HTOU=The power of the TOAA
It's easy to understand why no one could stand a chance against Thanos.
LT and other uber alles beings where stupid thinking that a collective assault could have any effect, Thanos was now God, in every sense.
How can they challenge someone that with a wave of his hand obliterated a Celestial?If Thanos wanted to, he could shut down all their powers and change them into nice white rabbits.

so what stopped thanos?

Himself.

arnie more powerful than tyson? By what means?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
arnie more powerful than tyson? By what means?

In terms of pure weight lifting.

But power is better than that, obviously tyson has that advantage there...

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
But what I'm saying is that there have been many occasions when the winner of a fight wasn't the strongest or most powerful person. If two near omnipotent beings squared off against each other, the battle would be decided by more than just the use of raw power.

*snicker*

How many times have I said that? At any rate, that theory applies to many scenarios, but not this one. Do recall that Thanos fought Akhenaten beyond time and space for supremacy of the cosmos and infinity.

Read Marvel Universe: The End. With THOTU Thanos is essentially TOAA, as K3VIL said.

"Read Marvel Universe: The End. With THOTU Thanos is essentially TOAA, as K3VIL said."

Is the TOAA a multiversal God or is he just associated with the Marvel Universe?

In Thanos's first story he encounters a being who can digest entire realities, and was supposed to be more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet. Now i know that the HOTU is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet but would the TOAA have power over such a being ?

The one Above all is God basically Yahman. The supreme being. Nothing is beyond him/it

"The one Above all is God basically Yahman. The supreme being. Nothing is beyond him/it"

Yeh but is he supposed to be the same God who is referred to in the Sandman stories and is also associated with the New God's source ? (E.g. with D.C.). The guy who created Lucifer Morningstar and what not ?

Would he also be able to able to beat the reality eating being in the Thanos story?

Originally posted by yahman
"The one Above all is God basically Yahman. The supreme being. Nothing is beyond him/it"

Yeh but is he supposed to be the same God who is referred to in the Sandman stories and is also associated with the New God's source ? (E.g. with D.C.). The guy who created Lucifer Morningstar and what not ?

Would he also be able to able to beat the reality eating being in the Thanos story?

Obviously its not the same God as Dc's presence because theyre two different comic book companies not related at all. Crossovers are just money making machines.

TOAA is Marvels equivalent of God. Just like Dc's is the Presence. Need i say more?

"TOAA is Marvels equivalent of God. Just like Dc's is the Presence. Need i say more?"

Mann you like to patronise... i was just asking a question

GalacticStorm wants to fill the void left by AC, lol. I think he was touched by the Dark Side and permanently corrupted.

"GalacticStorm wants to fill the void left by AC,"

Whose AC... Any i have given you muchooo respectooo for your verry funny comment on Phoenix vs Marvel

Once again LOL

AC - Alpha Centuri. He's basically the KMC tyrant. He's known for making very sarcastic, rude and condescending (but sometimes funny) remarks during debates to belittle his opponents. Short on facts, but long on sardonic wit. He's one of the more...infamous members here, though he hasn't been on the vs. board in awhile.

Originally posted by yahman
"The one Above all is God basically Yahman. The supreme being. Nothing is beyond him/it"

Yeh but is he supposed to be the same God who is referred to in the Sandman stories and is also associated with the New God's source ? (E.g. with D.C.). The guy who created Lucifer Morningstar and what not ?

Would he also be able to able to beat the reality eating being in the Thanos story?

To answer your question, it was once suggested that TOAA lorded over the Omniverse in comicdom. I personally do not know if any such being exists, but yeah, he's Marvel's version of The Presence.

When they meet in a crossover, I always wonder which being reigns supreme? Of course it depends on the universe in which they meet, but what if it is neutral? Whose rules apply? I forget which writer said it, but one of the suggestions, for example, for Galactus' ability to withstand Darkseid's Omega Effect is that Marvel has no "Source." I dunno.

I personally never had a problem with AC either.

Originally posted by demigawd
AC - Alpha Centuri. He's basically the KMC tyrant. He's known for making very sarcastic, rude and condescending (but sometimes funny) remarks during debates to belittle his opponents. Short on facts, but long on sardonic wit. He's one of the more...infamous members here, though he hasn't been on the vs. board in awhile.

Yea, what happened to him again?

"AC - Alpha Centuri. He's basically the KMC tyrant. He's known for making very sarcastic, rude and condescending (but sometimes funny) remarks during debates to belittle his opponents. Short on facts, but long on sardonic wit. He's one of the more...infamous members here, though he hasn't been on the vs. board in awhile"

Cheers dude

hahaha

You know him too?

Originally posted by demigawd
GalacticStorm wants to fill the void left by AC, lol. I think he was touched by the Dark Side and permanently corrupted.

lol yeah funny demi

Originally posted by demigawd
AC - Alpha Centuri. He's basically the KMC tyrant. He's known for making very sarcastic, rude and condescending (but sometimes funny) remarks during debates to belittle his opponents. Short on facts, but long on sardonic wit. He's one of the more...infamous members here, though he hasn't been on the vs. board in awhile.

WAS the KMC tyrant. After people such as yourself totaly showed him up with actual facts and evidence (Something he's very infamous for NOT having) he sort of faded out of the VS forum. Big man wasn't so big after all.

But, on topic, to quote Thanos himself, "Supreme power was nothing more than limitless energy, awaiting the first claimant to come along and weild it. There never had been any All-Father, celestial Supreme Will, or Almighty Self."

"Now I was all that was, and subservant to none."

But, throughout the series (Marvel- The End) I found no referance to multiverse dominion, only Universal.

Not a VS thread.

Moving.

If we get Techinical it's as follows:

The One Above All
The Heart of the Universe
Phoenix
The Living Tribunal
etc...

Here's the proof from Marvel facts:

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Ultimately, Adam Warlock--who had been outside time and space alongside Atleza Langunn and Gamora and was thus spared the destruction--met with Thanos, convincing him that he should sacrifice his newfound power and his very life to restore existence. Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to re-create the multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it.

In his final moments, Thanos realized he had been manipulated by a being of supreme power to sacrifice his existence in his stead to save reality from this flaw.

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The "being" that was manipulating Thanos was The One Above all (AKA God showing who REALLY was in charge).

endgame.

That's an interesting fact from Marvel, considering that throughout the entire arc, Thanos must have mentioned that he destroyed HIS reality, HIS universe at least a dozen times.

And I would imagine that had the impact/effects of THOTU indeed been multiversal, many more beings would have been involved, like the Vishanti, Infinites, etc. I would also think that it would be The Heart of the Multiverse. Some of us are painfully aware of how language is used.

This is where I say that Starlin has gotten sloppy. A few months later he had Galactus being devasted by a nuke.

The HOTU seems to be a universal metaphysical manifestation of TOAA. And TOAA seems to be The Creator that appeared in FF story and the true multiversal God of Marvel. So the multiversal hierarchy has to be:
TOAA
Each HOTU of the multiverse
The LT as an agent, herald or manifestation body of TOAA
The Phoenix Force on its multiversal conscience
The Infinits
Eternity
and so on...
Also it was never proved that the abstracts cosmic entities are embodiment of concepts, it just doesn't make any sense at all, I personally prefer to believe in a more substantial theory: they could be all like Galan of Taa, sentient beings of the previous universe who were chosen by the Phoenix Force (the only universal constant) to survive the death of the universe and the rise of the next one. Was it never said or stated in some comic book before?