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Simple 1v1 who wins....

Tyranus is good, but Ulic was second to Exar Kun who I believe would wipe the floor with Dooku. So my vote goes with Ulic, obviously.

Makes sense,.

I belive Dooku would be victorious. He is a great Sith and hasent really been beaten by anyone and wasent in his prime in the movies, so we never really sees him in his full power. Anakin doesent count cause he Dooku lost on porpouse. I don't know much about Ulic except that he was the best duelist in his time.

Well, no. Ulic almost fought EXAR KUN to a standstill. He's one of the best there ever was, if not the best. I would put Ulic just under Revan. He would give Yoda, Luke, Revan, etc. a terribly hard fight. Do you think Tyranus could stand against Exar or Luke or Revan? Thought not.

And Dooku probably was in his prime; he was at the peak of his power, and had had thirteen years of Sith training by ROTS. He manhandled both Kenobi and Anakin twice, and lost to Anakin because of a plan gone awry. But I wouldn't say he could defeat Ulic. maybe give him a decent fight, but nothing Ulic could possibly have a chance of losing.

And I meant Exar by "he was one of the best, if not the best."

Oh yeah definitly Ulic... I completely agree with Windu on all of that.

Just under revan? In that case yoda and the rest would give him a really good fight... meaning Dooku who is would give yoda a good fight would get owned by Ulic?
I mean dooku does lose but not that fast or not that easily.

Ulic takes this one

UQD Kicks dooku ass then shaves it to make it eatible

Ulic would defeat Yoda. Yoda would fall 100% of the time. Dooku, while fighting well, would never beat Yoda. So, Dooku would never beat Ulic. And no, it wouldn't be incredibly easy, but it would be like Dooku vs. AOTC Anakin, with Ulic being Dooku. He'd be a bit surprised at Dooku's skill at first because he's so old, and then he'd off him like *that*.

And I'd put him under Revan because Revan had such insurmountable knowledge. But even Revan would be unbelievably hard-pressed against Ulic. Ulic actually might take Revan. If it was a ratio, I'd put it at 25/75. Chances are Ulic would lose, but even if he did, he'd give Revan a heck of a fight. And vice-versa, of course.

Lets say dooku never died, and lived for a hell of a lot longer, would it change the battle in any way?

Yeah Ulic would win even easier because Dooku would have a huge bladder problem and constantly be pissing.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Lets say dooku never died, and lived for a hell of a lot longer, would it change the battle in any way?

I'd imagine beating a decrepit old man with Alzheimer's wouldn't be too difficult, lightsaber or not.

I go with Tyranus all the way. thats an ass whooping i wuld much like to see

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Ulic would defeat Yoda. Yoda would fall 100% of the time.


No. He won't. But that's another fight.



True.



You have to keep in mind that Dooku was trained for 7 decades with the force and a lightsaber before becoming a Sith. Then he received another decade of training with Sith powers. He is a unquestioned master of lightsaber dueling. He was one of the most powerful Jedi in the last centuries of the Jedi Order. He could have destroyed ROTS Anakin + ROTS Obi-Wan if he had used all his powers.

And Quel-Droma is very mindless in his actions. You can see that through his entire history. From his first mission on Onderon and the Nadd uprising, to the times when he served Exar Kun he was always a hothead who acted without thinking. He's something like Anakin with the exception that he isn't that powerful. I'm pretty sure Dooku could taunt him into making a mistake and then destroy him because Ulic is missing the calmness, the precise fighting style, the sheer force power and the experience to defeat somebody like Dooku.

And yes...I know he fought Exar Kun into a standstill. But this was BEFORE Kun became the Dark Lord and Kun was another hotheaded fighter.



Revan would pretty much destroy Ulic. Ulic in later times is nowhere near Kun...not in force powers and not in lightsaber fights. I think Kun might be able to take Revan but Ulic surely is not.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Well, no. Ulic almost fought EXAR KUN to a standstill. He's one of the best there ever was, if not the best. I would put Ulic just under Revan. He would give Yoda, Luke, Revan, etc. a terribly hard fight. Do you think Tyranus could stand against Exar or Luke or Revan? Thought not.

And Dooku probably was in his prime; he was at the peak of his power, and had had thirteen years of Sith training by ROTS. He manhandled both Kenobi and Anakin twice, and lost to Anakin because of a plan gone awry. But I wouldn't say he could defeat Ulic. maybe give him a decent fight, but nothing Ulic could possibly have a chance of losing.
And Dooku didn't fight Yoda to a standstill? Dooku ran for 2 reasons:
1= Had plans to the DeathStar
2= Knew Clone Troopers were coming
Dooku whiped out Obi-Wan (Who is one of the best Jedi ever) without even trying. If Dooku tried to beat Anakin Darth Vader wouldn't have come into Star Wars. Sidious wanted Dooku dead because he knew Dooku would kill Sidious and become Sith Lord and he wanted Anakin due to the fact his potential is greater then Dooku's. Dooku would have been on the Jedi Council if not for his actions (Just like Qui-Gon) and he was the most wellrespected Jedi and his form II was unmatched throughout the order. It was a terrible blow to the Council when Dooku left. If Dooku would have stayed on the lightside and gone with Mace to kill Sidious their wouldn't have been an Empire. Dooku proved him 1 of the best in ATOC. If Dooku was smart he would have killed Yoda when he was trying to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. So I'm going for Count Dooku.

Hm. So Ulic has dropped in rank. Nice homework, Nai.

"Ulic would defeat Yoda. Yoda would fall 100% of the time."

My bad. I meant Exar, not Ulic. And then, I would say that Ulic almost fought Kun to a standstill. But seeing as you completely thrashed my arguments, I'll congratulate you now. But still, Ulic is far more powerful than most take him to be. And Ulic was definetely more powerful than Anakin when he fought Dooku. No question. Now I know Dooku threw that match, but you know what I'm saying. Good arguments.

Ullic-Qel Droma.Period.Point.End.Fin.Finito.Einde.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
No. He won't. But that's another fight.



True.



You have to keep in mind that Dooku was trained for 7 decades with the force and a lightsaber before becoming a Sith. Then he received another decade of training with Sith powers. He is a unquestioned master of lightsaber dueling. He was one of the most powerful Jedi in the last centuries of the Jedi Order. He could have destroyed ROTS Anakin + ROTS Obi-Wan if he had used all his powers.

And Quel-Droma is very mindless in his actions. You can see that through his entire history. From his first mission on Onderon and the Nadd uprising, to the times when he served Exar Kun he was always a hothead who acted without thinking. He's something like Anakin with the exception that he isn't that powerful. I'm pretty sure Dooku could taunt him into making a mistake and then destroy him because Ulic is missing the calmness, the precise fighting style, the sheer force power and the experience to defeat somebody like Dooku.

And yes...I know he fought Exar Kun into a standstill. But this was BEFORE Kun became the Dark Lord and Kun was another hotheaded fighter.

According to this it looks like dooku does have the real chance here. I never doubted the old man.

Originally posted by Fishy
Yeah Ulic would win even easier because Dooku would have a huge bladder problem and constantly be pissing.

Lets be a little more serious about this please. Dooku as an older man would be even more powerful. Take yoda for instance. would a 400 year old yoda beat a 800 year old yoda? Not saying that dooku will live that long, but you get my point, right?

Originally posted by Arbiter
And Dooku didn't fight Yoda to a standstill? Dooku ran for 2 reasons:
1= Had plans to the DeathStar
2= Knew Clone Troopers were coming
Dooku whiped out Obi-Wan (Who is one of the best Jedi ever) without even trying. If Dooku tried to beat Anakin Darth Vader wouldn't have come into Star Wars. Sidious wanted Dooku dead because he knew Dooku would kill Sidious and become Sith Lord and he wanted Anakin due to the fact his potential is greater then Dooku's. Dooku would have been on the Jedi Council if not for his actions (Just like Qui-Gon) and he was the most wellrespected Jedi and his form II was unmatched throughout the order. It was a terrible blow to the Council when Dooku left. If Dooku would have stayed on the lightside and gone with Mace to kill Sidious their wouldn't have been an Empire. Dooku proved him 1 of the best in ATOC. If Dooku was smart he would have killed Yoda when he was trying to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. So I'm going for Count Dooku. amen to that bro

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
No. He won't. But that's another fight.



True.



You have to keep in mind that Dooku was trained for 7 decades with the force and a lightsaber before becoming a Sith. Then he received another decade of training with Sith powers. He is a unquestioned master of lightsaber dueling. He was one of the most powerful Jedi in the last centuries of the Jedi Order. He could have destroyed ROTS Anakin + ROTS Obi-Wan if he had used all his powers.

And Quel-Droma is very mindless in his actions. You can see that through his entire history. From his first mission on Onderon and the Nadd uprising, to the times when he served Exar Kun he was always a hothead who acted without thinking. He's something like Anakin with the exception that he isn't that powerful. I'm pretty sure Dooku could taunt him into making a mistake and then destroy him because Ulic is missing the calmness, the precise fighting style, the sheer force power and the experience to defeat somebody like Dooku.

And yes...I know he fought Exar Kun into a standstill. But this was BEFORE Kun became the Dark Lord and Kun was another hotheaded fighter.

According to this it looks like dooku does have the real chance here. I never doubted the old man.

Destroyed is the right word. He was toying with them and he still pwned them.