John Constantine (Hellblazer) vs. Batman

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MERCILOUS
I don't know why, but I can't decide who's more dangerous (to eachother). They both know eachother, and both bet like 3 minutes of prep.

BOTH CHARACTERS ACT IN CHARACTER!!!!!

So you hypothetical hoo-ha types just shut it.

MERCILOUS
Here's some pics to get your imaginations flowing.

MERCILOUS
...and of course everyone knows...

MERCILOUS
Even though this is kinda against my principles...bump.

DarkCrawler
John Constantine stole cigarettes from Lucifer when he was eight years old. laughing out loud

olympian
Holy crap. Thats a whole level of balls right there.

He gets my vote just for that.

And the fact he can invoke demons. At least from the stories i have.

DarkCrawler
It's here. That another kid is Lucifer in disguise.

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Solidus Snake
HAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

DarkCrawler
big grin

DarkCrawler
I think that Constantine will win...

whirlysplat
He lives in South London! Of course he wins!

-Whirly smile

MERCILOUS
Batman knows how dangerous he is, you guys really think he'd give him the time to do anything. I love John but alot of his tactics revolve around stalling.

BstrdMan
Hand to hand, right off the bat?
Batman.
Intelligence?
Constantine. He's a right vicious one.. More so than Batman.
And there's also the Sychronicity Highway...

Onikirimaru
I need to brush up on my Hellblazer. Hes one of those heroes Ive always been aware of, but dont really know much about him. Is there any way Batman can "outwit" his abilities, because that is usually how he gets a win.

BstrdMan
Not sure. From what Deadman said

"That one's easy, kiddo. He's riding the Synchronicity Freeway, and so everything just falls into place; time, movement, even distance just sit up and beg for him."

Interpret that as ya will...

MERCILOUS
Ummm, so who was Deadman referring to?

BstrdMan
John Constatine.

MERCILOUS
So what do you figure Deadman's opinion of Bats would be?

I don't think I could base a win on any character's opinion anyway.

BstrdMan
"He some loony rich boy who's got a huge chip on his shoulder."
Not sure. Boston Brand is a funny character all around.. Actually.. Someone dig around. Batman actually summoned Deadman from the other side at one point.

King KAM
so the devil got Constantine hooked on smokes....knowing it would kill him?

BstrdMan
Interesting idea... But it wouldn't matter, as he conned his way out of cancer.

King KAM
he reminds me of lupin the 3rd of his buisness.

BstrdMan
Lupin's a screwball and horny as hell.
John's... not a nice person, but he puts on an act that puts most actors to shame.

King KAM
john isnt nice?

BstrdMan
Hell no. It's kinda like some people you might know.. They're complete and utter bastards, but you like them anyway.. You just don't know why.
He has his friends, right... And they like him for his roguish charm... But he'll do what he needs to save his own skin.

King KAM
oooh, he is the emodiment of trickery??? if so is he more tricky than Loki?

BstrdMan
Mmmm. It's hard to say. It's hinted at in The Books of Magic, that he is the Jack of Dreams, Fools, and Trades, a unique entity near the actual death of the universe, along with the Heirophant, the Leige and his Lady, the Lovers.. etc.. Embodiments and Collections of all the souls that have coaleced near the End. Timothy Hunter keeps insisting that he is John Constantine.

MERCILOUS
But remember both know eachother and Bats wouldn't give Constantine any time. Like it said at the beggining of the thread both act in character.

Tha C-Master
reviving all the bat threads eh?

Too predictable...

Its obviously a crap thread, let it go merc...

Noone likes the thread, or you...

King KAM
I agree, now im actually gonna be SERIOUS so hear me out,
Strange is the worlds trickiest mortal, but Batman is the world smartes mortal at what he does, he knows strange and knows about his shady character, he is too smart to be talked down or killed, if he has prep he could kill galactus and thanos at the same time.(i have an idea on how, but dont make me write it please just take my word)

MERCILOUS
Ummmmm...Strange you say?

King KAM
Constantine...my bad just got through watching sweedish gay porn.... shifty

MERCILOUS
Well I guess if you have to watch gay porn Swedish is the way to go.

But help me out here, who do you think wins?

Tha C-Master
You just want someone to say batman, fanboy...

King KAM
batman....hes too smart

MERCILOUS
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You just want someone to say batman, fanboy...

Quit posting off topic or get off my thread.

gamewarrior
im going with Constantine. I bet he can think of a way to beat bats with a little magic and trickery. Ive read all about constantine and also read one of his comics. he aint a easy guy to take down and from what Ive read and studied hes also fearless. I mean Constantine has been in hell and back, fought demons, seen things people havent seen and hes seen the devil himself(I think so).

MERCILOUS
Yeah but remember that Constantine gets his way because allot of people, demons, gods etc. get caught monologuing or let Constantine talk. You think Bats would give him the time he needs?

Spelljammer
This IS interesting! From what I've heard Hellblazer tricked the devil. (Never read a Vertigo comic before..) But remember: Batman's GOD..

So this would be a good fight, but considering I have no real knowledge to the extent of Hellblazer, I'm going to go with Batman..

Hulking Hurler
Originally posted by King KAM
I agree, now im actually gonna be SERIOUS so hear me out,
Strange is the worlds trickiest mortal, but Batman is the world smartes mortal at what he does, he knows strange and knows about his shady character, he is too smart to be talked down or killed, if he has prep he could kill galactus and thanos at the same time.(i have an idea on how, but dont make me write it please just take my word)
What's your idea? After all, that is the prototypical argument for a Batman fanboy. Oh, Batman is God, he could do anything with preparation, even take down God, who he is, but don't make me explain how, because I'm not as smart as Batman. Oh, him, the Batman can take him, just give him a stick of gum, a can of grease, and an hour, and he'll find a way; he's the Batman. Oh, he can take down *insert omniscient character here*, because he's the Batman, and he's more than a man, he's a legend. Seriously, he is a master at what he does, and with the time and knowledge requisite to take down a threat that is basically unstoppable by the rest of the cosmos, he can think of a way to do it. But, keep in mind, that the Batman is not a Victor Von Doom, or a Reed Richards, he doesn't have the ability to just, out of the blue, pull out of his trusty utility belt the salvation of mankind time after time. He can't work off nothing, both data and technology-wise. Most, if not all, of his victories, are either circumstantial, or rely on the indefatigable technology of the New Gods, which is whatever the situation calls for, from remarkably sapient and cerebral computers, to puerile attempts at an all-encompassing travel device that puts you in your place, be that oblivion, the end of time, another dimension, or, most unusually, your destination. There is a limit to his abilities, and no matter how great that ceiling seems to be, its there, and it will be reached when you pit him against opponents such as Thanos or Galactus, who are not just more powerful than him, but are also, by far, more intelligent.

On-topic, it depends on the type of battle. If they just meet on the street, and Batman decides to incapacitate him, for whatever reason that pops into his addled brain, the little gray cells of both of these people won't matter, no matter how vast in quantity they are. In this case, with only three minutes of prep, not much will get done. For Batman, most likely literally nothing will have been accomplished, as, with the limited amount of time given him in this situation, there's not much he can do. Constantine, however, is a mage, and no matter how low on the ladder he is compared to some of his fellow mystics, such as Strange, he might be able to, so to speak, pull one out of his hat, as such a short amount of time seems ideal for a sorcerer of John's abilities to prepare, enough time to ready something, but not enough time for the other side to nullify whatever you have ready. In this case, I say the chain-smoking Englishman wins this. Also, in a fight between Dr. Stephen Strange and Batman, Strange could likely just kick his ass with his martial arts.

King KAM
Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
What's your idea? After all, that is the prototypical argument for a Batman fanboy. Oh, Batman is God, he could do anything with preparation, even take down God, who he is, but don't make me explain how, because I'm not as smart as Batman. Oh, him, the Batman can take him, just give him a stick of gum, a can of grease, and an hour, and he'll find a way; he's the Batman. Oh, he can take down *insert omniscient character here*, because he's the Batman, and he's more than a man, he's a legend. Seriously, he is a master at what he does, and with the time and knowledge requisite to take down a threat that is basically unstoppable by the rest of the cosmos, he can think of a way to do it. But, keep in mind, that the Batman is not a Victor Von Doom, or a Reed Richards, he doesn't have the ability to just, out of the blue, pull out of his trusty utility belt the salvation of mankind time after time. He can't work off nothing, both data and technology-wise. Most, if not all, of his victories, are either circumstantial, or rely on the indefatigable technology of the New Gods, which is whatever the situation calls for, from remarkably sapient and cerebral computers, to puerile attempts at an all-encompassing travel device that puts you in your place, be that oblivion, the end of time, another dimension, or, most unusually, your destination. There is a limit to his abilities, and no matter how great that ceiling seems to be, its there, and it will be reached when you pit him against opponents such as Thanos or Galactus, who are not just more powerful than him, but are also, by far, more intelligent.

On-topic, it depends on the type of battle. If they just meet on the street, and Batman decides to incapacitate him, for whatever reason that pops into his addled brain, the little gray cells of both of these people won't matter, no matter how vast in quantity they are. In this case, with only three minutes of prep, not much will get done. For Batman, most likely literally nothing will have been accomplished, as, with the limited amount of time given him in this situation, there's not much he can do. Constantine, however, is a mage, and no matter how low on the ladder he is compared to some of his fellow mystics, such as Strange, he might be able to, so to speak, pull one out of his hat, as such a short amount of time seems ideal for a sorcerer of John's abilities to prepare, enough time to ready something, but not enough time for the other side to nullify whatever you have ready. In this case, I say the chain-smoking Englishman wins this. Also, in a fight between Dr. Stephen Strange and Batman, Strange could likely just kick his ass with his martial arts.

too bad im not a batman fanboy im a realist, just like your a NOOB trying to make a name for yourself , too bad nobody gives a good god-damn about what the hell your saying.

Hulking Hurler
Originally posted by King KAM
too bad im not a batman fanboy im a realist, just like your a NOOB trying to make a name for yourself , too bad nobody gives a good god-damn about what the hell your saying.
How are you a realist? How are you not a fanboy? You posited an unlikely situation, and when confronted with the implausibility of such a situation, you resort to such a childish tactic as name-calling. You serve a steaming dish of bullshit, and you expect me to shovel it up and eat it, despite it being completely and utterly false, and, when I ask you how you presume to support your statement, you insult me. I did not intend my post to be an insult, but saying that something will happen without any proof of the possibility of that something happening is an idiotic form of debating. I am sorry if I offended you, but how is it that you could possibly come to the conclusion that Batman could defeat Galactus/Thanos with prep time. Offering up the argument of his intelligence dwarfing your's is merely weaseling out of the problem, and basically announcing that you cannot support your own statements due to their fallible nature.

Spelljammer
Batman is God, he could do anything with preparation, even take down God, who he is, but don't make me explain how, because I'm not as smart as Batman. Oh, him, the Batman can take him, just give him a stick of gum, a can of grease, and an hour, and he'll find a way; he's the Batman. Oh, he can take down *insert omniscient character here*, because he's the Batman, and he's more than a man, he's a legend. Seriously, he is a master at what he does, and with the time and knowledge requisite to take down a threat that is basically unstoppable by the rest of the cosmos, he can think of a way to do it.

King KAM
Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
How are you a realist? How are you not a fanboy? You posited an unlikely situation, and when confronted with the implausibility of such a situation, you resort to such a childish tactic as name-calling. You serve a steaming dish of bullshit, and you expect me to shovel it up and eat it, despite it being completely and utterly false, and, when I ask you how you presume to support your statement, you insult me. I did not intend my post to be an insult, but saying that something will happen without any proof of the possibility of that something happening is an idiotic form of debating. I am sorry if I offended you, but how is it that you could possibly come to the conclusion that Batman could defeat Galactus/Thanos with prep time. Offering up the argument of his intelligence dwarfing your's is merely weaseling out of the problem, and basically announcing that you cannot support your own statements due to their fallible nature.
the same way your doing alot of talking but saying absolutley nothing.

Hulking Hurler
Originally posted by King KAM
the same way your doing alot of talking but saying absolutley nothing.
What do you mean? I said that your entire statement was a fallacy, and that it was completely irrational and illogical. I also said that your statement seemed to be coloured by some sort of inner fanboyism. You responded by calling me a n00b and saying that my words were pointless, and that nobody wished to hear what I had to say, or some such drivel like that. Then I said that there was no need to get angry, and that I merely wished for you to, within reason, explain your statement, and that, as it stood right now, you seemed incapable of doing so. Evidently, I was right. You are not just not intellectually capable of forming a simple, mature response, you are also idiotic enough to make an attempt at a witty retort. Congratulations. You have failed in your attempt. I have said something. I have said that you are a mentally-challenged individual, who cannot, in his tiny little mind, formulate a proper response to anything, and so, as his last resort, lowers himself to such a level that a sentence that is rife with misspellings, is bereft of any sort of puncutation, and wherein the level of grammar is so atrocious that it physically hurts to read such a thing, is considered a smart remark.

BstrdMan
Seriously. On track.
In Character, if Batman REALLY wanted to face the consequences of taking COnstantine down, he would. He'd then have to deal with Zatanna, Dream, Deadman, etc etc.. he's that well connected.
But that's on a hand-to-hand note. If it was physical, John wouldn't stand a chance. As he's said MANY times.. He's useless in a punch-up.
But on an intellectual level?
John would outthink Batman. Because he would take each and every chance possible. He may not be a genius, but he's so streetwise, it's frighteing. If he had the prep time, he'd have the spells at the ready. ALl sorts of fun nastiness in store.
How many times has Batman been in Hell?

King KAM
Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
What do you mean? I said that your entire statement was a fallacy, and that it was completely irrational and illogical. I also said that your statement seemed to be coloured by some sort of inner fanboyism. You responded by calling me a n00b and saying that my words were pointless, and that nobody wished to hear what I had to say, or some such drivel like that. Then I said that there was no need to get angry, and that I merely wished for you to, within reason, explain your statement, and that, as it stood right now, you seemed incapable of doing so. Evidently, I was right. You are not just not intellectually capable of forming a simple, mature response, you are also idiotic enough to make an attempt at a witty retort. Congratulations. You have failed in your attempt. I have said something. I have said that you are a mentally-challenged individual, who cannot, in his tiny little mind, formulate a proper response to anything, and so, as his last resort, lowers himself to such a level that a sentence that is rife with misspellings, is bereft of any sort of puncutation, and wherein the level of grammar is so atrocious that it physically hurts to read such a thing, is considered a smart remark.

you do realize im not reading this.....

MERCILOUS
Originally posted by BstrdMan
Seriously. On track.
In Character, if Batman REALLY wanted to face the consequences of taking COnstantine down, he would. He'd then have to deal with Zatanna, Dream, Deadman, etc etc.. he's that well connected.
But that's on a hand-to-hand note. If it was physical, John wouldn't stand a chance. As he's said MANY times.. He's useless in a punch-up.
But on an intellectual level?
John would outthink Batman. Because he would take each and every chance possible. He may not be a genius, but he's so streetwise, it's frighteing. If he had the prep time, he'd have the spells at the ready. ALl sorts of fun nastiness in store.
How many times has Batman been in Hell?

Once I think. but good post, you read the first post and used both these guys in character, which is something everyone else needs to do.

MERCILOUS
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I don't know why, but I can't decide who's more dangerous (to eachother). They both know eachother, and both bet like 3 minutes of prep.

BOTH CHARACTERS ACT IN CHARACTER!!!!!

So you hypothetical hoo-ha types just shut it.

lifeisaglich
Batman has been to hell twice...first he was sent there....superman when and brought him back but was trapped in hell....so batman teamed up with some demon lady....and when back to hell to go get superman...and this time around I think the demon lady granted batman super strength to go get back superman who is about to take control of the underworld.

MERCILOUS
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman has been to hell twice...first he was sent there....superman when and brought him back but was trapped in hell....so batman teamed up with some demon lady....and when back to hell to go get superman...and this time around I think the demon lady granted batman super strength to go get back superman who is about to take control of the underworld.

I thought as much. Batman even does well in hell, that oughta rile up the Bat-haters.

lifeisaglich
I thought as much smile

jplatinum
batman.
he is the master dective only mr. fantastic, apocalyspe, and dr. doom come close with prep-time.
I've actualy taken the time to ead up on mr. constantine and he is good, but no batman.

MERCILOUS
Well I'm glad there's a mix of you, I wish a few more of you would post so I could come to a conclusion myself.

Orestes
Other people Batman could easily own with prep:

LT
Lucifer
Death
The Presence

Just to name a few, of course. Batman with just three minutes of prep time could certainly easily devise a way to defeat both Thanos and Darkseid at the same time! Also, Braniac.

God I love it when the Bat-fanatics get going. You can't make the kind of stuff they say about him UP!

8bitChris
You've got a lot of balls to say this right after posting that Batman could take down Galactus and Thanos at the same time.

MERCILOUS
No fighting! (disguised bump.)

King KAM
Originally posted by 8bitChris
You've got a lot of balls to say this right after posting that Batman could take down Galactus and Thanos at the same time.
he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole.

Orestes
That. Is. Beautiful.

LOVE IT. Hold on now, let me see if my new sig works right ...

Edit: Yep! big grin

King KAM
Originally posted by Orestes
That. Is. Beautiful.

LOVE IT. Hold on now, let me see if my new sig works right ...

Edit: Yep! big grin
i love being admired

MERCILOUS
he spelt King KAM wrong.

King KAM
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
he spelt King KAM wrong.
shhhhhh.....let him be....

long pig
Constantine winning is like a universal law, seriously, he can't lose. But in the end, he'd just end up twice as screwed as he was before he started.

King KAM
Originally posted by long pig
Constantine winning is like a universal law, seriously, he can't lose. But in the end, he'd just end up twice as screwed as he was before he started.
hed just fake like batman killed him, and then walk away with his wallet when he leaves.

MERCILOUS
That's not a victory.

allanstanwick
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's not a victory. I think it is

Zack M
Constantine.

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