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Obi-Wan's Form III vs. Mace's Form VII Vaapad. But how much of an advantage would Windu's Vaapad have against a Light Side opponent like Obi-Wan? Which great fighter comes out the victor and explain why you think so.

i don't really like this 1 cause every1 always hates on obi-wan 4 no reason but this 1 i think mace wins but it'll b a tough fight obi-wan never gives in easily

i think so because obi-wans style is to defensive and windu is so prefect at his that he can't find 2 many times where windu messes up so he can strike

This is ridiculous. Of course Mace owns Obi.

Let me halp you with your logic, you dont strike when your defending. Also, mace's Vaapad works on both lightside and dark side, according to Fishy (ty).

ANd obi wan gets owned because mace is far more advanced in lightsaber skills, take the obi wan vs dooku fight for instance. Obi wan was owned pretty badly, and mace could hold of dooku for a long time, maybe even win.

Not to mention this has been done before.

agree with fishy, i do

Obi-Wan wins. Why didn't the council send Mace Windu because Obi-Wan's form III is clearly a better form against non darksiders then form VII.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Let me halp you with your logic, you dont strike when your defending. Also, mace's Vaapad works on both lightside and dark side, according to Fishy (ty).

ANd obi wan gets owned because mace is far more advanced in lightsaber skills, take the obi wan vs dooku fight for instance. Obi wan was owned pretty badly, and mace could hold of dooku for a long time, maybe even win.
That was when Dooku was a Jedi. I'm sure their fight was too see who was the better swordsman not force user.

Does that mean anything? Mace would still own Obi easily... Mace is an far above average Jedi, Obi Wan is an average Jedi Master.... He wouldn't stand a chance.

If Obi Wan in ROTS would've mastered Form III, then Obi Wan would remain living...
Remember, it's known that a master of Form III is invincible.

However Mace would take this, his much more skilled, and his saber skills are greater.

A form III master is supposed to be invincible butt they aren't, and you have to remember they aren't really able to attack either.

Actually, I think they are.

They can't attack much, true. But they only die once they run out of strength, otherwise their invincible.

Well, Obi-Wan is far from average. And Mace wouldn't own him; of yes he would. But still, Obi-Wan iis one of the best duelists in the Order because of his Soresu master. Not once did someone get a lightsaber through to him in ROTS, and he fought Dooku, Grievous, and Anakin. Now Dooku threw him away like a rag doll, Grievous beat the crap out of him physically, and Anakin kicked/grappled with him a lot, but no one got a blade on him. Mace would do what Dooku did, but still.

I don't know, Dooku would have defeated him with a lightsaber as well. Obi Wan has not mastered his form yet. If he did he would become a lot better then he is in ROTS.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Well, Obi-Wan is far from average. And Mace wouldn't own him; of yes he would. But still, Obi-Wan iis one of the best duelists in the Order because of his Soresu master. Not once did someone get a lightsaber through to him in ROTS, and he fought Dooku, Grievous, and Anakin. Now Dooku threw him away like a rag doll, Grievous beat the crap out of him physically, and Anakin kicked/grappled with him a lot, but no one got a blade on him. Mace would do what Dooku did, but still.
I don't think Mace would force choke anybody. It would be Mace vs. Obi-Wan and they wouldn't use the force. In all of Obi-Wan's battle how many times did he use the force? Once against Anakin.

That doesn't mean a thing... But anyways, Mace has been a master longer than Obi-Wan... his Force mastery is doubtlessly greater. ANd besides, the real factor here is lightsaber combat. Obi-Wan had pretty much mastered form III by ROTS. However, it was not enough to allow him to get the advantage of Dooku in the beginning. The only reason Obi-Wan won against Grievous was because the general pushed the attack. And Anakin was defeated using pure defense. Now, Mace Windu (WHOSE VAAPAD STYLE IS NOT STRONG AGAINST DARK SIDERS... GET THAT OUT OF YOUR HEADS) has to master several styles in order to refine and create the final installment of Juyo. Meaning? He is not just keen on defense (And having a blaster bolt reflection technique similar to Form III) he has a superior offense, something Obi-Wan does not possess. In the end? Obi-Wan will tire himself out and Mace will defeat him, bar some unforseen accident. Odds in favor of Mace. Mace wins.

why do people think mace windu would lose????

Because people are a bunch of idiots and they have a hard time thinking.

oh ok

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
That doesn't mean a thing... But anyways, Mace has been a master longer than Obi-Wan... his Force mastery is doubtlessly greater. ANd besides, the real factor here is lightsaber combat. Obi-Wan had pretty much mastered form III by ROTS. However, it was not enough to allow him to get the advantage of Dooku in the beginning. The only reason Obi-Wan won against Grievous was because the general pushed the attack. And Anakin was defeated using pure defense. Now, Mace Windu (WHOSE VAAPAD STYLE IS NOT STRONG AGAINST DARK SIDERS... GET THAT OUT OF YOUR HEADS) has to master several styles in order to refine and create the final installment of Juyo. Meaning? He is not just keen on defense (And having a blaster bolt reflection technique similar to Form III) he has a superior offense, something Obi-Wan does not possess. In the end? Obi-Wan will tire himself out and Mace will defeat him, bar some unforseen accident. Odds in favor of Mace. Mace wins.
Obi-Wan used form IV against Anakin in ROTS not form III.
Form IV: Ataru

The master practitioners of Form IV make extensive use of acrobatic maneuvers often thought not physically possible. This form was created during the last centuries of the Old Republic. Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda were both masters of Form IV, as shown in their duels against Darth Maul and Count Dooku, respectively. Obi-Wan Kenobi, though already very advanced, abandoned his Ataru training in favor of Form III because he felt that his master's death demonstrated a fatal flaw in the defensive capabilities of this form, nevertheless Kenobi applied Ataru acrobatics to face the Sith Lords Darth Tyranus and Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith. Aayla Secura is also a master of Ataru, according to Jan Duursema, who co-created the Twi'lek Jedi; Quinlan Vos had taught Aayla Form IV. Palpatine used a Sith variant of this form, which included stabs and wide swings. Cin Drallig might have used this form against Anakin in the Revenge of the Sith Video Game.

In dire situations, Form IV practitioners use the Force to aid in their acrobatics. Spinning, jumping and running very fast and very high, masters of Form IV are sometimes only seen as a blur. In order to achieve the acrobatic prowess, amazing reflexes and physical punch of this form, a Jedi Master would focus on the Force, letting it flow deeply throughout his entire physicality, even allowing him to overcome the limitations of old age. Due to its aggressive nature, it is an effective form to use against single enemies; however, it leaves the user open to attacks from multiple opponents; therefore, it is wise to use Ataru in a duel, but not in open warfare. Jedi Master Yoda used this technique in almost all of his battles, due to his incredible connection to the force.

Nick Gillard, the creator of the lightsaber forms as we know it, and the author of what you just wrote pretty much, said that Obi-Wan practiced Ataru in TPM, but after the death of Qui-Gon Due to inadequate defense, Obi-Wan took up form III in earnest. He used it throughout the Clone Wars and up until ANH.

So you see, you're wrong.

He used form IV against Anakin because it is best used on 1 on 1 duels.

Thats absolute bullshit, form III is the perfect defensive forms. Obi Wan started using it because he felt form V wasn't good enough. Why would he change back to it in the most important duel of his life.

You mean form IV? Because Anakin wasn't going to give Obi-Wan an opening and he knew he wouldn't be able to stay on the defense or else he'll lose. If you didn't notice he fights just like Qui-Gon in TPM against Anakin.

Originally posted by Arbiter
Obi-Wan used form IV against Anakin in ROTS not form III.
Form IV: Ataru

The master practitioners of Form IV make extensive use of acrobatic maneuvers often thought not physically possible. This form was created during the last centuries of the Old Republic. Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda were both masters of Form IV, as shown in their duels against Darth Maul and Count Dooku, respectively. Obi-Wan Kenobi, though already very advanced, abandoned his Ataru training in favor of Form III because he felt that his master's death demonstrated a fatal flaw in the defensive capabilities of this form, nevertheless Kenobi applied Ataru acrobatics to face the Sith Lords Darth Tyranus and Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith. Aayla Secura is also a master of Ataru, according to Jan Duursema, who co-created the Twi'lek Jedi; Quinlan Vos had taught Aayla Form IV. Palpatine used a Sith variant of this form, which included stabs and wide swings. Cin Drallig might have used this form against Anakin in the Revenge of the Sith Video Game.

In dire situations, Form IV practitioners use the Force to aid in their acrobatics. Spinning, jumping and running very fast and very high, masters of Form IV are sometimes only seen as a blur. In order to achieve the acrobatic prowess, amazing reflexes and physical punch of this form, a Jedi Master would focus on the Force, letting it flow deeply throughout his entire physicality, even allowing him to overcome the limitations of old age. Due to its aggressive nature, it is an effective form to use against single enemies; however, it leaves the user open to attacks from multiple opponents; therefore, it is wise to use Ataru in a duel, but not in open warfare. Jedi Master Yoda used this technique in almost all of his battles, due to his incredible connection to the force.

*cough* Wiki bull *cough*

Listen, Obi-Wan played the defensive role. Even his final swipes were defensive in nature. The entire fight he matched Anakin's swings with his own, since Form V, Anakin's form, is basically built off of Form III foundations but with a focus on aggressiveness. He was not using Ataru... Nick Gillard says as much. I already posted that. You're wrong.

And even if Obi-Wan was, for the sake of argument, using Ataru against Mace, he did not master it and he would be destroyed.

End of story.

I'm sorry. Next time I would get my information from SuperShadow. He's more dependable then Wikipedia.


Form III: Soresu

After Darth Maul's defeat on Naboo, Obi-Wan Kenobi decided to perfect his practice of Form III lightsaber combat, the most defensive of all of the forms, since Qui-Gon Jinn, Kenobi's mentor and Form IV (Ataru) master, fell against Darth Maul.

Form III was originally developed to counteract the advancing blaster technology throughout the galaxy. Those to whom the Jedi were mainly opposed usually wielded blasters now; the Jedi needed to find a method to defend that could not be replicated or be counteracted by the Jedi's blaster-wielding enemies.

Inspired by the need to parry blaster-fire, the form utilizes motions occurring very close to the body to achieve near-total protection, efficiently expending as little energy as possible to execute these moves. This technique exposes as little body target zone open areas as is possible, making a well-trained practitioner nearly invincible. Practitioners of Soresu comfortably remain on the defensive until their opponents tire or make a mistake, only then do they strike offensively. Luminara Unduli and Barriss Offee are also proficient in this form. By the time of the events in Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan Kenobi is acknowledged as the master of Soresu, often referred to as the classic form.

Form V: Shien / Djem So

Form V is a powerful style developed by Form III practitioners that preferred a more offensive angle. The defensive nature of Form III often leads to dangerously prolonged combat. This style came about from combining Forms II and III. Anakin, both as himself and as Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, and Jedi Master Plo Koon are all practitioners of Form V. Jedi Master Agen Kolar may possibly have been a Form V practitioner since he favored aggressive negotiations.

Form V maintains its existence through having sufficient defensive skills, as derived from Form III, but channeling defense into offense. The example is commonly used that while Form III combatants effortlessly deflect laser bolts, Form V practitioners excel at redirecting the laser bolt toward the opponent. This simultaneously defends the user and efficiently injures the opponent. As well, it employs a basic form of Form II's parries, allowing the user to parry the attempted attack, and counter it. It is different from Form III in the fact that practictioners of Form V will press the assault, using wide, sweeping blows in an attempt to overwhelm the opponent with brute strength. The aggressive philosophy of Form V is the source of many a Jedi's disapproval.

Vader also created his own variant of Form V, where he would use only one hand to strike and defend, and have the other held casually by his side. This can be seen at the start of the duel in The Empire Strikes Back.

With the aggressive but yet refined movements of Form II and the highly defensive postures of Form III, Shien / Djem So has been proven to be an effective style.

And Obi-Wan did not play a defensive role because he was on the attack in the control room and when they were surfing on the lava because both of them were cornered. Obi-Wan clearly had to go on the attack and if you haven't noticed Obi-Wan is moving the way he did against Darth Maul in TPM. He perfered form III but he was highly advanced in form IV since that was the way he was trained as a Padawan. And compare the fight with Grievous or Dooku with Anakin and you can easily tell they are not the same forms.

Umm. . . that's because Grievous was on the run half the time and Obi-Wan ahd his lightsaber for about fifteen seconds. And Soresuis based purely on defense. The user waits for one to make a mistake, then strikes. Obi-Wan knocked Anakin's saber away. What need was there for saber-defense. And he started attacking Anakin with melee combat (hand-to-han) when they both lost weapons.

Your all wrong... Proceed...

Back to the point of the topic.
Obi-Wan vs. Mace
Obi-Wan would clearly wait for Mace to make a mistake and then Obi would go in for the attack.

Not really. I hate arguing against people like you, you never listen to reason or the arguments that are presented. To make you happy, Obi-Wan wins, okay?

In dire situations, Form IV practitioners use the Force to aid in their acrobatics. Spinning, jumping and running
Look at the beginning of Anakin vs. Obi-wan because Obi sure does a lot of spinning.

That's the most idiotic argument I've ever heard. I'm through here.

If all else fails use simple logic.

Mace - seen by all as the second most powerful Master, only to Yoda.
Mace - Developed his own style by his teens
Mace - Black and has Rythm.
Mace - Defeated Sidious
Mace - In case of Yoda his dead he would be the head of the council.
Mace - On the council since TPM
Mace - Did I mention he's black yet?
Mace - Yoda said Obi Wan could never beat Sidious, Mace did. Yoda would know.

And if that doesn't convince you of anything then really watch the damn movie and watch who is giving the orders and who is following them.

He was on the Council twelve years before TPM, when he was twenty- eight. Kenobi got on it at thirty-seven.

Originally posted by Arbiter
In dire situations, Form IV practitioners use the Force to aid in their acrobatics. Spinning, jumping and running
Look at the beginning of Anakin vs. Obi-wan because Obi sure does a lot of spinning.

Listen...

JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE LIGHTSABER STYLES AND WATCHED THE MOVIE DOESN'T MEAN YOUR LOGIC OWNS ALL.

It doesn't. If anything, it sucks. So give up already.

Originally posted by Fishy
If all else fails use simple logic.

Mace - seen by all as the second most powerful Master, only to Yoda.
Mace - Developed his own style by his teens
Mace - Black and has Rythm.
Mace - Defeated Sidious
Mace - In case of Yoda his dead he would be the head of the council.
Mace - On the council since TPM
Mace - Did I mention he's black yet?
Mace - Yoda said Obi Wan could never beat Sidious, Mace did. Yoda would know.

And if that doesn't convince you of anything then really watch the damn movie and watch who is giving the orders and who is following them.
What does black after to do with anything?
Second Yoda didn't want to take chances with Sidious because they get 1 shot.

Originally posted by Arbiter
Back to the point of the topic.
Obi-Wan vs. Mace
Obi-Wan would clearly wait for Mace to make a mistake and then Obi would go in for the attack.

Are u a f**ing moron Arbiter. If obi wan was better he would be 2nd in the coucil but he is not. So stop whining and defending possibly one of your fav char's.
Anywayz back to topic, MAce would own Obi wan, And mace would find obi wans mistake and weakness b4 Obi wan has a chance, let me remind you that mace has shatterpoint.

Let's look at the facts on why Obi-Wan wasn't second on the council.
Has only been on the council for a few months or years. They could have send Mace to kill Grievous but they wanted to send someone who was called 1 the greatest hero of the Clone War along with Anakin. Obi-Wan went to the frontlines and battled the CIS over and over again and Mace wasn't in as nearly as many battles as Obi-Wan.

So what Mace is still superior to Obi wan, battles or not. MAce had years of training, and he also fought in the clone wars.
Mace was not sent becuase they needed someone in the order to take care of situations in coruscant. Yoda the HEAD GUy went to Kashyyk, only becuz he had a relationship with the wookies, so mace stayed behind becuz he is after all 2nd!! in command. The only other person who could actually take GG is obi wan and anakins job was to stay and watch over sidious or palps. Unless there is someone just as good as obi wan who could take GG, MACE, ANAKIN, Yoda are all taken who else has a chance at GG?

Originally posted by Arbiter
You mean form IV? Because Anakin wasn't going to give Obi-Wan an opening and he knew he wouldn't be able to stay on the defense or else he'll lose. If you didn't notice he fights just like Qui-Gon in TPM against Anakin. yeah but we all saw qui gon ret raped by Darth Maul and evryone seems to think anakin can take him in lightsaber combat(i most certainly dont) soooooooooooooooo............................

Originally posted by Arbiter
What does black after to do with anything?
Second Yoda didn't want to take chances with Sidious because they get 1 shot. because black people are good at everything.


Darth Calladus <-----------------Black



im JK (i am black though) but lets be real though, he beat sidious even though he wasnt trying, thats just lets you know what wuld happen if sidious didnt try...he wuld get raped. and even if he was trying i still think mace wuld win. and yoda 900 yr old jedi master, knows what he talkin about 97% of the time, he knew kenobi culdnt handle sidious. form 3 is all defense but very little and prcise offense. but not even talking about forms, sheer power in the force mace wuld overwhelm him. Mace and Dooku are very close in temrs of saber combat and force power.and we have all seen what happens to obi wan when dooku dosent use force(AOTC) and does(ROTS). it is a terrible, leg crushing, ab destroying, bicep cramping, WORKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mace takes this one

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
So what Mace is still superior to Obi wan, battles or not. MAce had years of training, and he also fought in the clone wars.
Mace was not sent becuase they needed someone in the order to take care of situations in coruscant. Yoda the HEAD GUy went to Kashyyk, only becuz he had a relationship with the wookies, so mace stayed behind becuz he is after all 2nd!! in command. The only other person who could actually take GG is obi wan and anakins job was to stay and watch over sidious or palps. Unless there is someone just as good as obi wan who could take GG, MACE, ANAKIN, Yoda are all taken who else has a chance at GG?


Maybe PLo, but he was busy as well. He was the pilot and needed to kep things under control in Coruscant. Dun know why Sassae wasnt flyin.

Mace Windu I think would win.

man who the F*ck is trying to do a obi won discussion without me( no offense a lot of people sweared in this forum so i felt like swearing too). obi won killed GG, Maul, and Anackin( preddy much). obi won is sooo underated. mace is so dumb. one day he doesn't trust anackin. and after 10 secounds of speaking to anackin he starts to trust him. he left his defenses up and got what he deserved. mace was my favorite character before ROTS. Now obi is. Sidiuos could of easily killed mace if he wanted to. if sidiuos did force push mace would of flew out the window and died. the only person that mace defeated was jango fett. and GG, Maul, and anackin are by far more powerful then jango fett. obi would easily kill mace. obi is by far more surperior

They sent Obi-Wan because he was the best available Jedi. Without Yoda there, Mace was the senior member of the Council. And Yoda's duties on Kashyyyk kept him busy. You think Mace couldn't have taken out Grievous? Read LOE and do yourself and the rest of us a favor.

My bad lol. Wrong timing. I looked at the second page's last post.

And you're an idiot CTB.

Originally posted by Fishy
Because people are a bunch of idiots and they have a hard time thinking.

Thank you Fishy for clearing that up

Obi-Wan wins. I am the New Jawa Emperor.

You are insane and deserve a swift kick in the nuts

@ Kronos, your welcome.

Originally posted by MAKASHIMAN
Obi-Wan wins. I am the New Jawa Emperor.

No, you aren't...

No I think your the idiot. DW. also an other reason why i don't mace is becuase they have fans like you. and it makes me feal like an outkast. heyyyyyyy ya. hey ya. oh oh oh. heyyyyyy ya. hey ya. enough singing. i like disagreeing for the sake of having a good conversation, but obi can defeat any mace or darth mace, or purple dild0ed mace. more people like mace then obi. and i like making them feel like losers. i like the way you move. ya ya. i like the way you move

Thats absolute bullshit, more people like Obi then Mace and with good reasons, but Mace is the more powerful Jedi without any doubt. That this debate is still going makes me sick.

omg read how many people think that mace will win and read how many think that obi will win and talk to me again. ps yoda LOST the battle vs sidiuos fair and square. LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
No, you aren't...

lmao Snake eye wanna report this to Dart_Janus..."Elite Jawa Dictator"

Originally posted by Fishy
Thats absolute bullshit, more people like Obi then Mace and with good reasons, but Mace is the more powerful Jedi without any doubt. That this debate is still going makes me sick.

They Like OB1 more because Mace Windu is a negro like me..(the only one in the whole 6 movies)

Originally posted by Darth Kronos
lmao Snake eye wanna report this to Dart_Janus..."Elite Jawa Dictator"

lol, maybe I should

Mace Windu wins easily...

Originally posted by jpsmith5
Obi-Wan's Form III vs. Mace's Form VII Vaapad. But how much of an advantage would Windu's Vaapad have against a Light Side opponent like Obi-Wan? Which great fighter comes out the victor and explain why you think so.

ROTS Obi-Wan wasnt using his Form III in Epi III. He used ataru against dooku and Anakin. He might have used Soresu while fighting Grievous. Im not sure. We have to ask Janus, hes the expert with the lightsaber combats

The Obi-Wan supporters here deserve a very hard spanking from their noob moms. Hell...are you people annoying.

Here is why Obi-Wan will lose:

A)
Mace defeated Sidious (and that is clear. Watch the goddamn movie or read the ROTS novel - BOTH state that) and Yoda told Obi-Wan that he's not powerful enough to fight Sidious. Mace 1 Obi 0.

B)
Mace was on the Council in an age when Obi-Wan just became a Jedi Knight. Mace 2 Obi 0

C)
Mace invented his own fighting style before he became a Padawan so he is very talented in lightsaber combat. And his form is superior to form III when it comes to a lightsaber duel (ask Nick Gillard for details). Mace 3 Obi 0.

D)
Mace could only be defeated by Yoda himself and Dooku. Dooku wasted Obi-Wan easily 2 times (AotC and RotS). Mace would probably just do the same. Mace 4 Obi 0.

E)
Mace has his unique Shatterpoint ability to find and exploit weak points of his opponents and Obi-Wan could do nothing against that. Mace 5 Obi 0.

Mace wins. And just for that dumb reasoning about why the Council sended Obi-Wan to kill Grievous. It was a trap for Sidious. Yoda went to Kashyyyk because he would be the one the Dark Lord would fear. Obi-Wan was sended to take out Grievous because of two reasons:

1.) They needed somebody with a very defensive fighting style to fight somebody who could use 4 lightsabers at once and enough force powers

2.) Mace had to stay on Coruscant (being second in command) and Anakin had to stay on Coruscant because he should keep an eye on Palpatine.

And for gods sake: Mace already defeated GG before Obi-Wan went to fight him (LOE), and Yoda clearly said that he would be the only other Jedi able to defeat Dooku (DR) and we saw that he was the only Jedi (except Yoda himself) who was able to survive a fight with Sidious. Obi-Wan is getting owned here.

Thank you Nai, and if they don't listen to that, then we'll just let this thread die by not responding.

Nai is a smart man..i like him...i like him alot

With that statement you just made and then your sig... well, you sounded very homosexual in that post.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
The Obi-Wan supporters here deserve a very hard spanking from their noob moms. Hell...are you people annoying.

Here is why Obi-Wan will lose:

A)
Mace defeated Sidious (and that is clear. Watch the goddamn movie or read the ROTS novel - BOTH state that) and Yoda told Obi-Wan that he's not powerful enough to fight Sidious. Mace 1 Obi 0.

B)
Mace was on the Council in an age when Obi-Wan just became a Jedi Knight. Mace 2 Obi 0

C)
Mace invented his own fighting style before he became a Padawan so he is very talented in lightsaber combat. And his form is superior to form III when it comes to a lightsaber duel (ask Nick Gillard for details). Mace 3 Obi 0.

D)
Mace could only be defeated by Yoda himself and Dooku. Dooku wasted Obi-Wan easily 2 times (AotC and RotS). Mace would probably just do the same. Mace 4 Obi 0.

E)
Mace has his unique Shatterpoint ability to find and exploit weak points of his opponents and Obi-Wan could do nothing against that. Mace 5 Obi 0.

Mace wins. And just for that dumb reasoning about why the Council sended Obi-Wan to kill Grievous. It was a trap for Sidious. Yoda went to Kashyyyk because he would be the one the Dark Lord would fear. Obi-Wan was sended to take out Grievous because of two reasons:

1.) They needed somebody with a very defensive fighting style to fight somebody who could use 4 lightsabers at once and enough force powers

2.) Mace had to stay on Coruscant (being second in command) and Anakin had to stay on Coruscant because he should keep an eye on Palpatine.

And for gods sake: Mace already defeated GG before Obi-Wan went to fight him (LOE), and Yoda clearly said that he would be the only other Jedi able to defeat Dooku (DR) and we saw that he was the only Jedi (except Yoda himself) who was able to survive a fight with Sidious. Obi-Wan is getting owned here.

Nai is very smart, but common people. I already told you why obi wan was sent to fight GG. Why do people listen to Nai all the time!

Because he makes sense and good, unbiased arguments. You don't.

And your pissing me off. I dont argue with people. And i do make sense, its really how you read it and understand it. If you dislike me then just drop the insults and dont type anything.

Originally posted by MAKASHIMAN
Obi-Wan wins. I am the New Jawa Emperor.

Here's what I have to say about that, poser No. 2...

I don't dislike you; it's just he makes good arguments, and some of yours have bias in them.

LMFAO Janus as a nigga myself...that is sooo jokes, that pic is sooo ill, did u make it?

Nah, I found it in my travels online.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
The Obi-Wan supporters here deserve a very hard spanking from their noob moms. Hell...are you people annoying.

Here is why Obi-Wan will lose:

A)
Mace defeated Sidious (and that is clear. Watch the goddamn movie or read the ROTS novel - BOTH state that) and Yoda told Obi-Wan that he's not powerful enough to fight Sidious. Mace 1 Obi 0.

B)
Mace was on the Council in an age when Obi-Wan just became a Jedi Knight. Mace 2 Obi 0

C)
Mace invented his own fighting style before he became a Padawan so he is very talented in lightsaber combat. And his form is superior to form III when it comes to a lightsaber duel (ask Nick Gillard for details). Mace 3 Obi 0.

D)
Mace could only be defeated by Yoda himself and Dooku. Dooku wasted Obi-Wan easily 2 times (AotC and RotS). Mace would probably just do the same. Mace 4 Obi 0.

E)
Mace has his unique Shatterpoint ability to find and exploit weak points of his opponents and Obi-Wan could do nothing against that. Mace 5 Obi 0.

Mace wins. And just for that dumb reasoning about why the Council sended Obi-Wan to kill Grievous. It was a trap for Sidious. Yoda went to Kashyyyk because he would be the one the Dark Lord would fear. Obi-Wan was sended to take out Grievous because of two reasons:

1.) They needed somebody with a very defensive fighting style to fight somebody who could use 4 lightsabers at once and enough force powers

2.) Mace had to stay on Coruscant (being second in command) and Anakin had to stay on Coruscant because he should keep an eye on Palpatine.

And for gods sake: Mace already defeated GG before Obi-Wan went to fight him (LOE), and Yoda clearly said that he would be the only other Jedi able to defeat Dooku (DR) and we saw that he was the only Jedi (except Yoda himself) who was able to survive a fight with Sidious. Obi-Wan is getting owned here.

Sidious also didn't use the force like Dooku did and Yoda knew they had 1 shot to kill Sidious and he didn't want to take any chances
The council decides when someone becomes a Jedi Knight and Obi-Wan killed a Sith so he skipped the trials
How if form VII better then form III? Form III makes it so he has no areas unprotected
Dooku is far suprieor in the force then Obi-Wan and that's not his fault. He can't decide how many midicorlians (Misspelled isn't it) he has. And Obi-Wan was in his 30s or 40s and Dooku was like in his 80s making him far more exp.
Form III leaves no body part exposed to an attack
And Sidious had nothing to due with Obi-Wan going to kill Grievous. Sidious didn't brainwash the Jedi and had Yoda go away and they vote for Obi-Wan. Plus Mace Windu has high respect for Obi-Wan because of all that he had done since before TPM.

Originally posted by Arbiter
Sidious also didn't use the force like Dooku did and Yoda knew they had 1 shot to kill Sidious and he didn't want to take any chances
The council decides when someone becomes a Jedi Knight and Obi-Wan killed a Sith so he skipped the trials
How if form VII better then form III? Form III makes it so he has no areas unprotected
Dooku is far suprieor in the force then Obi-Wan and that's not his fault. He can't decide how many midicorlians (Misspelled isn't it) he has. And Obi-Wan was in his 30s or 40s and Dooku was like in his 80s making him far more exp.
Form III leaves no body part exposed to an attack
And Sidious had nothing to due with Obi-Wan going to kill Grievous. Sidious didn't brainwash the Jedi and had Yoda go away and they vote for Obi-Wan. Plus Mace Windu has high respect for Obi-Wan because of all that he had done since before TPM.

SYSPH

SYSPH?

What the ****?

You don't know what SYSPH stands for?

No, I don't actually.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
I don't dislike you; it's just he makes good arguments, and some of yours have bias in them.

everyone makes better arguments than i do.

Sysph to all you

Sysph War_Lord

wth is SYSPH

What Shadow!? Sysph!!!!

Sysph War_Lord.