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Pretty simple idea, but I'm going somewhere with this. Any thoughts?

there are men like that everywhere and alot back then. you don't see them that much.

What do you mean god -men...?? In mythology there were many...The Caesars also thought of themselves as such...Also Cleopatra thought of herself as a decent of Isis, I think...Jesus was also called that around 324 AD...at the council of Nicia, I think...

not talking about them but the ones who came from the bible.

Do you mean "God Men" or Good Men?

And if you mean God Men what are they?
-Superhumans
-People that are Gods
-People that believe in God
-People that know someone who is a God

I really don't know what you mean....do you maybe mean people like Magneto in yur sig?

I believe their are god's men. What I mean is someone who serves god, and no other. Does everything he can to live a life god wishes.

excellent, very good.

No, Godmen, such as Sai Baba. Men who perform godly deeds, men who proclaim that they are, or who are proclaimed godly.

peter, james, john, mark, luke, daniel, moses, david, job, noah, joseph, and many others from the bible. many people will proclaim they are godly, but never were and are false teachers, but this men were godly in everyway.

I'm sure they are some even in todays world.

Like missionaries who give their life to helping others, and other people as well. They are all different kinds of ways

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
No, Godmen, such as Sai Baba. Men who perform godly deeds, men who proclaim that they are, or who are proclaimed godly.

I believe so...there are such people like that today....never heard them called god-men.....I thought you meant...people who claim they are also god....AND..there are those too...today.

good people, but not godly people.

Originally posted by cking
good people, but not godly people.

cking..go back to you're box.....and wait for supper....

of course there are people who are godly....

no, go back to your box, plus I have to go to work early because two people called in sick, I knew you were going to say this to me.

Originally posted by cking
no, go back to your box, plus I have to go to work early because two people called in sick, I knew you were going to say this to me.



OH...I'm just kidding.....But my box is way bigger than yours...I can see lots further....you're is itsy bitsy....and no window.

At least we didn't throw you back in hell.....remember.

Originally posted by debbiejo
cking..go back to you're box.....and wait for supper....

of course there are people who are godly.... Originally posted by cking
no, go back to your box, plus I have to go to work early because two people called in sick, I knew you were going to say this to me.

Shut up Children.......NOW......Back on topic

ha, you live to short, you must think alittle more.

yeah, we need to go back on topic and fast.

Originally posted by cking
yeah, we need to go back on topic and fast.

Then admit that there are godly men.....or back to hell for you.....

yeah men of the church and of the bible, how about that? despite some are false.

Well, I don't see why there could or shoul have been men who were 'godly.' I mean, they are written into a book as godly, what makes them godly? Sai Baba (I really don't care enough to believe, but it's the point I'm trying to make that counts) calls himself gody and has performed amazing deeds. Peter also called himself godly, what makes him special? Why can't there be more god people today? I believe that any man can be godly, if he taps into himself (complex idea there, just try to follow along lol). Also, was Jesus not the ultimate god man? Was he of the Bible? heh. no, he was a Jew, wasn't he?
Agreements? Disagreements?

jesus is the ultimate one in the bible.

... that's my point...

There are some religions that believes in some Godmen. For what I know those godmen are supposed to be men who achieved the moksha, or Nirvana in buddhism, or at least are near to achieve it, in other words they freed themelves from the cycle of rebirths gaining freedom. Like is believed Siddharta did, Babaji, Jesus, etc. Never heard of Boddhisatvas !? A bodhisattva is a being who, while not yet fully enlightened, is actively striving toward that goal. Conventionally, the term is applied to hypothetical beings with a high degree of enlightenment and power, and they often helps people too achieve enlighment. So those Godmen could be these Boddhisatvas.

no, Jesus had no affiliation with these, he died once and went back to heaven, sitting on the rights side of God's throne.

Originally posted by cking
no, Jesus had no affiliation with these, he died once and went back to heaven, sitting on the rights side of God's throne.

I know, but there are some people who believe he had some connection with these, many of Jesus teachings are very similar to buddhism and hinduism. And Jesus helped people to achieve enlighment, thats what a boddhisatva does.

Originally posted by cking
no, Jesus had no affiliation with these, he died once and went back to heaven, sitting on the rights side of God's throne.

Do you really view God as a man sitting on a solid throne?...God is not that at all...

ouch. I don't know if that point is valid, but it's a pretty harsh blow to the bible, debb!! lol
My question is: Jesus really had all the simptoms of a godman. So what or who says that we can't have new ones? Most Christians are adement in their disbelief of modern godmen, isn't that hypocritical? Anyway, if they refuse to believe in any modern godmen, what will they do 'when the apocolypse arrives'?? (I put that in quotations because of my strong disbelief in it.)

Sorry...OK...we can have godmen, but lets just call it a theory...not a fact......Though I do believe in godly men.

debbiejo

What religious faith do you embrace? It has become apparent to me, that you do not have grounded beliefs in anything. Your mind wonders and sways effortlessly like ocean currents.

If a belief system doesn't claim to correspond to reality, head for the nearest exit! An honest person, having spent a great length of time researching Greek mythology, will become well acquainted with the term "legend".

In 56 A.D. Paul wrote that over 500 people had seen the risen Jesus, and that most of them were still alive (1 Corinthians 15:6). It passes the bounds of credibility that the early Christians could have manufactured such a tale and then preached it among those who might easily have refuted it simply by producing the body of Jesus.

There is better historical documentation for Jesus than for the founder of any other ancient religion. Sources from outside the Bible corroborate that many people believed Jesus performed healings and was the Messiah, that he was crucified, and that despite His shameful death, His followers, who believed He was still alive, worshiped Him as God. And, there are thirty-nine ancient sources that corroborate more than 100 facts concerning Jesus' life, teachings, crucifixion and resurrection.

To this day, people die in the name of Jesus Christ!

Originally posted by ushomefree
There is better historical documentation for Jesus than for the founder of any other ancient religion. Sources from outside the Bible corroborate that many people believed

Josephus?..Which others...I'm open to reading them....I've always been open minded..

Sources supporting the historicity of Jesus Christ: Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Thallus, Phlegon, Mara Bar-Serapion, Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Quadratus, Aristides, Justin Martyr, Hegesippus, Macrobius, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Juvenal, Seneca and Hierocles.

Note: Though the non-Christian sources do not provide as much detail about Jesus as the New Testament, they do provide corroboration for some of the basic facts of the biblical portrayal of Jesus. The non-Christian sources establish beyond resonable doubt the following:

Jesus was a historical person. This may be silly to stress, but through the years some have denied that Jesus ever lived. The nonbiblical sources put such nonsense to rest.

Jesus lived in Palestine in the first century of our era.

The Jewish leadership was involved in the death of Jesus.

Jesus was crucified by the Romans under the governorship of Pontiius Pilate.

And, Jesus' ministry was associated with wonder and sorcery.

Yeah...but their stories don't match the ones in the cannon of scripture..

I never said I didn't believe there was a Jesus person...OH...and many of those people are from the Roman Catholic church.....I've read some of them...oh many of them.

And Stop shouting at me....I have delicate ears.

historicity of someone called jesus or the likes, the christ part/divine part aint an historical proven fact

"I have asked them if they are Christians, and if they admit it, I repeat the question a second time and third time, with a warning of the punishment awaiting them. If they persist, I order them to be led away for execution; for whatever the nature of their admission, I am convinced that their stubbornness and unshakable obstinacy ought not to go unpunished...."

"They also declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more that this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately amongst themselves in honor of Christ as if to a god, and also bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery and adultery...."

"This made me decide it was all the more necessary to extract the truth by torture from two slave-women, whom they called deaconess. I found nothing but a degenerate sort of cult carried to extravagant lengths." -Pliny the Younger

This reference is very important! It was probably written about A. D. 111, and it attests to the rapid spread of Christianity, both in the city and in the rural area among every class of persons, including slave women as well as Roman citizens. And it talks about the worship of Jesus as God, that Christians maintained high ethical standards, and they were not easily swayed from their beliefs.

Yes AD 111....what you should be looking at is someone who is more accurate in the time period that Jesus lived in....Josephus...

Josephus on Jesus
In A.D. 93, the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus published his work Antiquities of the Jews. The extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently-recovered Arabic version, contain two passages about Jesus. The one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. If genuine, it is the earliest record of Jesus in Jewish sources, and as such is sometimes cited as independent evidence for the historical existence of Jesus. The other passage concerns James the brother of Jesus. Its authenticity is also disputed.


Greek version, from ninth century
The passage is repeated in three places in Antiquities of the Jews. One, at Book 18, Chapter 3, Item 3, in the translation of William Whiston, reads:

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
Our surviving sources for this passage are Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dates from the 9th century. However there are citations in other writers of antiquity.

The first to cite this passage of Antiquities was Eusebius, writing in about A.D. 324, who quotes the passage in essentially the same form. Most scholars consider this strong evidence that this passage existed in manuscripts of the Antiquities of the Jews at that time, though skeptics have suggested that Eusebius himself might be the author of the passage (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/files/ %22Eusebian%20Fabrication%20of%20the%20Testimonium
%22)


Concerns about interpolations
However, it is significant that Origen, writing in about A.D. 240, fails to mention it, even though he does mention the less significant reference to Jesus, as brother of James, which occurs later in Antiquities of the Jews (book 20, ch. 9). Starting in the 17th century, this has given rise to the suggestion presented by Protestant philologists that the Testimonium Flavianum did not exist in the earliest copies, or did not exist in the present form.

Some modern historians reject the passage as an interpolation (i.e. forgery), on other grounds, for several reasons inherent in the text. In its context, passage 3.2 runs directly into passage 3.4, and thus the thread of continuity, of "sad calamities," is interrupted by this passage. The context, without the testimonium passage reads:

"...So he bid the Jews himself go away; but they boldly casting reproaches upon him, he gave the soldiers that signal which had been beforehand agreed on; who laid upon them much greater blows than Pilate had commanded them, and equally punished those that were tumultuous, and those that were not; nor did they spare them in the least: and since the people were unarmed, and were caught by men prepared for what they were about, there were a great number of them slain by this means, and others of them ran away wounded. And thus an end was put to this sedition. <insertion> About the same time also another sad calamity put the Jews into disorder, and certain shameful practices happened about the temple of Isis that was at Rome..."
The passage 3.3 also fails a standard test for authenticity, in that it contains vocabulary not otherwise used by Josephus, according to the Complete Concordance to Flavius Josephus, edited by K. H. Rengstorff, 2002. It is also argued that 'He was Christ' can only be read as a profession of faith. If so, this could not be right, as Josephus was not a Christian; he characterized his patron Vespasian as the foretold Messiah.

The deepest concerns about the authenticity of the passage were succinctly expressed by John Dominic Crossan, in The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant (1991): "The problem here is that Josephus' account is too good to be true, too confessional to be impartial, too Christian to be Jewish." Three passages stood out: "...if it be lawful to call him a man... He was Christ... for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him." These seem directly to address Christological debates of the early 4th century. Consequently many secular historians dismiss the Testimonium as an interpolation.

Lastly it should be noted that the entire passage is also found in one manuscript of Josephus' earlier work, The Jewish War. Lower Criticism has shown this to be an interpolation as other manuscripts are extant that do not contain it including the modern standard text of The Jewish War

http://www.answers.com/topic/historicity-of-jesus

It's also interesting to note what the Quran, which has not changed like our christian documents, says about Jesus on this site...

Good Site.....also....

Chrestus was a common name in Rome, meaning 'the good.' This passage is not held by serious scholars to be in reference to a Jesus Christ, particularly as it states that the person in question was in Rome in 54 AD.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Before the fall of man, into sin. This is why our change must come!

Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Phi 3:20,21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.


wavey

have you other gifts than cut pasting biblical stuff or

Originally posted by svnthdysthsbbth
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Before the fall of man, into sin. This is why our change must come!

Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Phi 3:20,21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.


wavey

Have you read anything in this thread?

he just love to copy paste the bible