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Were you satisfied that Anakin turned to the Dark Side to learn a power Palpatine never really proved to have?( my first time posting a poll so if anything is wrong, I'm sorry)

Yes he did it fine.

Originally posted by Stefan Kojic
Were you satisfied that Anakin turned to the Dark Side to learn a power Palpatine never really proved to have?( my first time posting a poll so if anything is wrong, I'm sorry)

It was pathetic how Anakin was so easily lured.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
It was pathetic how Anakin was so easily lured.

hmmm

...he had no father
...his mother was dead
...he knew something terrible was going to happen to his wife
...ge felt the jedi didnt trust him by the fact they wouldnt allow him to be on the council or take the title of master

...and through all this, he has one person he trusts, can turn to and this person has been manipulating anakin from day one.


pretty well done i'd say.

(hint: think before you criticise and back it up)

Originally posted by Darth_Duffy
hmmm

...he had no father
...his mother was dead
...he knew something terrible was going to happen to his wife
...ge felt the jedi didnt trust him by the fact they wouldnt allow him to be on the council or take the title of master

...and through all this, he has one person he trusts, can turn to and this person has been manipulating anakin from day one.


pretty well done i'd say.

(hint: think before you criticise and back it up)


*Sighs* Dear lord.....

Well, anyone stupid enough to turn to the darkside over a fifteen second dream which he doesn't know is real is just plain dumb. He didn't know something terrible was gonna happen to his wife! It was a dream! Hell, i have had dreams before that my girlfriend has died. You don't see me going around murdering people because of it.


He didn't trust the Council? He was a whiney prick! He was the youngest Jedi Knight ever to join the Council and he starts crying because he didn't become a Master? He is a spoiled fool!

Originally posted by LordSorgo
*Sighs* Dear lord.....

Well, anyone stupid enough to turn to the darkside over a fifteen second dream which he doesn't know is real is just plain dumb. He didn't know something terrible was gonna happen to his wife! It was a dream! Hell, i have had dreams before that my girlfriend has died. You don't see me going around murdering people because of it.


He didn't trust the Council? He was a whiney prick! He was the youngest Jedi Knight ever to join the Council and he starts crying because he didn't become a Master? He is a spoiled fool!

palaptine managed to make him believe that he was seeing the future and not just a dream, and the only way to avoid it becoming a reality is to stick with him.
Your right, Anakin is a fool, a naive fool, but thats not saying his turn to the dark side wasnt done well, its just how lucas chose to portray him as a character.

You are absolutely right. It killed me to see what was happening to Anakin. He was lied to and lost everyone he loved. GL did a great job of showing how Anakin turned to the dark side and became Vader. It makes the fans know the *real* Anakin and the *real* Vader and what caused all of the events to happen since the original movie. I used to hate Vader, now I know why he is who he is and I have utter sympathy for him.

Originally posted by Darth_Duffy
hmmm

...he had no father
...his mother was dead
...he knew something terrible was going to happen to his wife
...ge felt the jedi didnt trust him by the fact they wouldnt allow him to be on the council or take the title of master

...and through all this, he has one person he trusts, can turn to and this person has been manipulating anakin from day one.


pretty well done i'd say.

(hint: think before you criticise and back it up)

I thought it was good.

Anakin's dream was a premonition . Jedi can have premonitions that can actually become real. Star wars is not like the real world. Anakin had had premonitions about his mother dying, and she died.... so when he has premonitions about his wife, of course he's afraid the same will happen again. and the jedi are taught that by acting on their premonitions, they can become real even more likely, which is the irony of the whole thing.


and anakin didnt trust the council because they made him spy on his best friend. palpatine knew exactly the right things to say to anakin so he would be sure about the council's betrayal. to anakin, it all made sense, because he didnt know everything as we do as spectators. try to put yourselves in his position, with his knowledge, background, traumas, fears... i think you'll understand him better. add to that his inherent lunacy...

Well, personally Anakin was weak and easily turned. He lacked the conviction and morality of a true Jedi knight, and he was a failure due to his own moral character and due to the council's poor decisions regarding letting the boy even become a jedi. It was their folly that lead to the creation of Darth Vader... It was fitting they paid for it with their lives.

But really, Lucas did okay with the turn... But it's not like Anakin was some superhero who suddenly gets the world dropped on him and goes bad; no instead he was a whiney, uncontrolled prodigy who was obssessed over his wife and it lead to an age of darkness and the near destruction of the very balance he was supposed to be born to preserve.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
*Sighs* Dear lord.....

Well, anyone stupid enough to turn to the darkside over a fifteen second dream which he doesn't know is real is just plain dumb. He didn't know something terrible was gonna happen to his wife! It was a dream! Hell, i have had dreams before that my girlfriend has died. You don't see me going around murdering people because of it.


He didn't trust the Council? He was a whiney prick! He was the youngest Jedi Knight ever to join the Council and he starts crying because he didn't become a Master? He is a spoiled fool!

It was a premonition, not a dream that he was flying or winning the lottery; he predicted his mother would die, and she did, so his worries that the love of his life would die were justified.

Darth_Duffy has the right idea. Palpatine had molded himself into Anakin's life as his father figure over Obi-Wan, taking advantage of the fact that Anakin lacked one. Then, his mother had died after a premonition and he had one of his wife, as I stated above. And it wasn't that he didn't trust the Council, it was that the Council didn't trust him. Anakin's lust for power caused him to think ill of their decision not to make him a Jedi Master. Palpatine has indeed been manipulating him all the while.

Perfectly well done.

Anakins fall was done well, except that damn theater scenedisgust

Three useless things came out of that scene

a) Darth Plagueis
b) Influencing midichlorians
c) Being able to stop death

None of those proved useful to the movie since they werent focused on after that. Well, of course stopping death was useful to sway Anakin, but there was no:
"Oh look at what I can do Anakin' *Stops someone from dying*
"Wow, neato, can I learn?"
"Nah, kill some Jedi, then we'll talk"

It was a passing comment to lure Anakin. Completely useless after that.

Sir Mist that was used for implanting doubt in Anakin's head, being true or not, that was irrelevant at that point. And in that moment it would be too quickly for Palpatine to reveal himself to Anakin.

Your the first to call me Sir Mist

You win a prize

I know what it was used for, but it would have been better had someone actually used the damn power instead of more bullcrap from George

i think the purpose was to show that palpatine played Anakin for a fool. as in, he didn't know how to use the power, but pretended like he did to win Anakin over. he played on how much Anakin loved his wife and he used that against him.

Anakin's turn to the dark side was done well. And how was it easy for Anakin to turn. It took alot of planning and manituplating on Palpatine's part. Remember, it did not just happen in the spur of the moment, it took about three years for Palpatine to fully turn Anakin. It all started in ATOC.

Originally posted by Darth_Duffy
hmmm

...he had no father
...his mother was dead
...he knew something terrible was going to happen to his wife
...ge felt the jedi didnt trust him by the fact they wouldnt allow him to be on the council or take the title of master

...and through all this, he has one person he trusts, can turn to and this person has been manipulating anakin from day one.


pretty well done i'd say.

Agreed. It was pretty pathetic but considering his situation is was prefectly likely that he would react how he did. He didn't want Padme to die and was willing to do anything to stop it.

Originally posted by ~Sir Mist~
Your the first to call me Sir Mist

You win a prize

I know what it was used for, but it would have been better had someone actually used the damn power instead of more bullcrap from George

Thing is, I have yet to see any such power from anyone in the movies or EU...

Over the three movies I think George did a great job setting up and showing the turn.



Yes Anakin was weak and pathetic, but he had reasons for doing it. He was Palps pawn since the day he became a jedi(or since being created ). And the "just a dream" argument is bullshit, he has the same "dreams" about his mother, and I believe she died.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Thing is, I have yet to see any such power from anyone in the movies or EU...

Which is why the whole thing was stupid...if Palpatine actually had the power (and we saw proof) it wouldntve been so bad.....but Anakin's whole turning was based off bullshit ramblings from Palpatine, it just makes him look like a gullible idiot for following Palpatine instead of being some 'uber Dark Lord Chosen One' etc etc...Anakin should have at least learnt something off Palpatine to make him bad ass...

But meh...cant change the movie...

Yes it was.

Originally posted by Sir Mist

"Oh look at what I can do Anakin' *Stops someone from dying*
"Wow, neato, can I learn?"
"Nah, kill some Jedi, then we'll talk"


hysterical hysterical

It was too quick--one minute he has Obiwan unconcious on his back, the next he's cuttin off Windu's arm.

Originally posted by Sorgo
It was pathetic how Anakin was so easily lured.

read the book, mucho more detail given on this

He made the reasoning more realistic. At first, the power was secondary to the ability to save Padme. Unfortunately, the farther he fell the more the thought of the power consumed him.

I really dont think his turn was too fast. If you think about it, Anakin's decent into darkness started long before he was discovered by the Jedi, fueled by his hatred for being a slave. Hell, he already had an enormous chip on his shoulder at age 9 when Padme called him a slave in Watto's shop. Siding with Palpatine was just the final step.

I would also keep in mind how young Anakin was. He was truly still a kid, what 23 or 24? Having been through so much at such a young age, it would be too much for almost anyone to handle well.