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Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust

Give our lives some meaning, something to fight for Not like me, I just don't give a shit

You sir will be the first awarded for their efforts

People have sigs and avvys of a very sexual nature despite having limited sexual experience. I don't see the problem it that.

I see the point though. I'm sure half the people with Che Guevara shirts probably don't know who he is.

-AC

eh.....I think most just want to seem intellectual, but I'm sure that there are those that do actually support previously stated ideals. Me I just like the quote from Twain, mainly because,....well......I just don't think that most Christians know what the hell they are talking about.

Originally posted by silver_tears
Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust
I prefer the term nutcase

nothing too ontopic cause for waffle-sack, it's me:
three years ago, I read an article somewhere that "the youth" and others take symbols and such cause they look cool, not cause they know what they mean.
They used the example of Che Guevara: y'all know probably the big red flags with his face on. Some didn't knew his name, others didn't knew what he did and only a very selected few knew the story behind him.
Most of them picked the flag cause the guy looked cool.

That was it.
*leaves*

I meant things referring more to like nazism, and communism and such.
Or as AC said Che too


If you believe in it by all means, but what bothers me is the people who do it to be noticed

Originally posted by dave123
Give our lives some meaning, something to fight for Not like me, I just don't give a shit
Isn't "not giving a shit" a statement?

I seriously don't care

Oh and things like the anarchy symbol, or the pentagram
Twats.

Originally posted by silver_tears
Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust

Ugh! I've been like totally getting cranky old lady vibes from you lately! schmoll

Moaning and groaning about everything you stampede across!

Got a nail stuck in your hoof? eyes

Want a foot stuck up your ass? winkiss

Oh yeah Tex, it's "The Big Gay Out" in London soon... and I wanted someone to come with me... interested?

Buy me dinner first! I'm a classy tramp! eyes

The keyword is tramp

How's about dinner AFTER our big gay out?

I dunno, I just think that most just do it to seem "cool." Me personally I don't really do any of that shit.

He'll probably be too wasted off jello shooters to even notice, there's your chance to take advantage of him!

Originally posted by silver_tears
He'll probably be too wasted off jello shooters to even notice, there's your chance to take advantage of him! I was saving that plan for you

Originally posted by DeRFmAn
I dunno, I just think that most just do it to seem "cool." Me personally I don't really do any of that shit.

It's so stupid sometimes.


I saw a kid, he was like 13 or something, and had an anarchy wristband, and I'm like to him, "Do you know what your wristband means?"
"No, my favourite band wears it."

For all he knew it could have been the international symbol to kill all children

Originally posted by dave123
I was saving that plan for you

Jello shooters are blah yucky

*Rings the bell*

ROUND...ONE...FIGHT!

*Runs away*

Just kidding. As for the pentagram etc, some people do actually know what it means. I have no problem what people use or believe in, as long as they know what they're believing in.

-AC

Precisely


I was in a Wicca shop downtown (god you can find anything here) because I have a curious interest in it, and my friend practices it apparently ( ) and these little girls, no more than 12 were buying pentagram necklaces and pins and such, they had pig tails on for god sakes (I'm not stereotyping at all )

Do you actually care about them, Irene... are you making a stand?

That's just posing though.

I have loads and loads of band shirts, but I don't need to wear all black and stand in the Rock section of a music store to know I like the music. People who show off like that often don't like what they're showing off, just want people to notice them.

-AC

I make statements

Like my ''free tibet'' statement, and now my ''I love Brasil'' statement. Its cos I really do love and plan to move to Brasil and I truly do believe that Tibet should be free from Chinese rule an brutality.

Originally posted by dave123
Do you actually care about them, Irene... are you making a stand?

Grrr death


Posers just piss me off
I hate idiots who try to be cool, but have no clue what they're supporting.
Like those people who have like 50 of those gel bracelets, for cancer and such, one for each colour and outfit because they're hip now, support the cause, not the look, I have them but don't buy them to show off

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I make statements

Like my ''free tibet'' statement, and now my ''I love Brasil'' statement. Its cos I really do love and plan to move to Brasil and I truly do believe that Tibet should be free from Chinese rule an brutality.

Good for you millaness



I swear I once saw a chick with her bag decked out in peta stuff, eating a huge hamburger, and let me tell you, it wasn't veggie either nono

What's wrong with people wearing a band cos they look cool? Just because they're not using them for their primary function, doesn't mean they shouldn't be worn as a fashion accessory - ironically what bands were originally made for

When you say band.........you mean?

I don't feel strongly enough about the topic to explain

Well, there are the people who are posers and just support something cos they think it's cool and really know nothing about it, and then there are the people who truly support a statement because they believe in it.

My sister (who is only 13) owns a bunch of those cancer bracelet things, and she buys them whenever she sees them. But she does it because of the cause, not because they're a fashion statement. I know that right now she's hunting for a leukemia one because a member of our family died of it. Now that is something I think is cool -- a 13 year old who is mature enough to support a cause like that and not just buy them because they look cool.

i only have a make poverty history band...and i believe in the cause and i went to the protest march

I have a Music = Life wristband purely because it's another way of expressing my love of music and I do that whenever, however I can.

-AC

I wear a band because I want to show people I care like all those celebrities I worship not.............. But I do have several direct debits to the charity's close to me

My sig and avi are of my favourite fictional characters...

nothing more, nothing less...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I make statements

Like my ''free tibet'' statement, and now my ''I love Brasil'' statement. Its cos I really do love and plan to move to Brasil and I truly do believe that Tibet should be free from Chinese rule an brutality.

Brazilians are very experimental, sexually. smoke

You stay the hell away from Brazil and my cinnamon cocks!

Originally posted by silver_tears
Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust

I'm a marxist, but I don't sport avatars and sigs with Karl Marx in them, also, have you ever thought that some people may know what communism is? I'm sure alot of people with communist avvys know what they're doing, people who don't know what communism is think it's evil.

Originally posted by pr1983
My sig and avi are of my favourite fictional characters...

nothing more, nothing less...

That is disgusting......

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
I'm a marxist, but I don't sport avatars and sigs with Karl Marx in them, also, have you ever thought that some people may know what communism is? I'm sure alot of people with communist avvys know what they're doing, people who don't know what communism is think it's evil.

Well but you know people who support communism even though they know what it is are even worse......


For the wrist bands, I think I own one......I don 't know what it is for nor do i care...and I never wear it....damn people and their presents.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is disgusting......



Well but you know people who support communism even though they know what it is are even worse......


For the wrist bands, I think I own one......I don 't know what it is for nor do i care...and I never wear it....damn people and their presents.....

What's wrong with the true idea of communism? Basically it means that everyone is equal in every way.

Too bad human nature will never allow it to happen.

Originally posted by Lana
What's wrong with the true idea of communism? Basically it means that everyone is equal in every way.

Too bad human nature will never allow it to happen.

Yes, yes.....maybe THAT is wrong with it....just an idea.....

Furthermore that it would keep any advances from hgappening.....
It is just totally against human nature
The Economky would die rather fast
People wouldn't work or at least not wok hard anymore
It is easy to transform to a Dictatorship
Everyone gets the same (despite NOT being the same)

It's just ridiculous....maybe in an Utopia lots of years in the future...with automatic working processes (robots) and a new understanding of human values.....but now...it would be just the same as nuking our whole planet for fun.....

People always try to do stupid things to make a statement, look at goths or Emo shit heads, think that by wearing black nail polish, not smiling, and buying "fake dirt gel" for their hair that they're making some kind of unique point.

It's no different on forums. Stupid people in real life, stupid people on the forums.

Being a rocker, a goth, and an emo at the same time is all I'm trying to get across to everyone. As soon as the sun goes down I'm going to get the message across to all of the other night-crawlers.

why because someone else has more artistic ability than you?





agreed




yup yup

Originally posted by Lana
What's wrong with the true idea of communism? Basically it means that everyone is equal in every way.

Too bad human nature will never allow it to happen.

clapping

Agreed...

Hmm...I wonder if I'm making a statement when I post my little philosophical quotes in my sigs...actually I'm just doing it cuz I like the meaning behind the quotes.

That's the point WD, you acknowledge the quotes because you grasp the concept, therefore you are making an informed statement. This is acceptable

Originally posted by Syren
clapping

Agreed...

Disagreed.......its a darn stupid idea......

Ok, right. It just must be stupid if you say so Obnoxious ass.

Originally posted by Syren
Ok, right. It just must be stupid if you say so Obnoxious ass.

Good Heavens ..... I am sorry I forgot to add "IMO" .... I thought this was rather clear.....but I gave reasons why it is a stupid idea....if you disagree very well...but why can you say Agree and I cannot say Disagree...kind of Hypocritical now isn't it
.....and I take the Obnoxious Ass as a compliment, ok?

We're not equal, why should we think of ourselves as such?

I'm sorry. I recognise that there are many many many smarter people than me on this planet, I'm not equal to them. Just like alot of people aren't equal to me, or to you, or to anyone.

We're not all equal, nor will we ever be, nor should we be.

We're born with the ability to learn and advance, if we were meant to be equal we'd not have that. I'm all for the concept of humans being friendly and helping each other, but lowering myself to claim I'm equal to that of the common, The Sun newspaper reading dullard? No thanks.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not equal, why should we think of ourselves as such?

I'm sorry. I recognise that there are many many many smarter people than me on this planet, I'm not equal to them. Just like alot of people aren't equal to me, or to you, or to anyone.

We're not all equal, nor will we ever be, nor should we be.

We're born with the ability to learn and advance, if we were meant to be equal we'd not have that. I'm all for the concept of humans being friendly and helping each other, but lowering myself to claim I'm equal to that of the common, The Sun newspaper reading dullard? No thanks.

-AC

I mean I agree....but where's the connection?

...are you talking aboot Communism?

Talking about the past couple of posts.

Lana made the point of saying communism is about everyone being equal in every way.

I'm sorry, but there are people I am not equal to and people who aren't equal to me. We're not equal. If anything, that's a bad way to think.

Like I said, I'm all for the CONCEPT of a compassionate human race, but why should I hold back someone smarter than me because I want to feel equal? Why should I lower myself for someone lesser?

Aint happening.

-AC

Originally posted by Tex
Brazilians are very experimental, sexually. smoke

You stay the hell away from Brazil and my cinnamon cocks!

Oh yes, I know. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt and a mug and now im gonna move where theres more of them diva

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Talking about the past couple of posts.

Lana made the point of saying communism is about everyone being equal in every way.

I'm sorry, but there are people I am not equal to and people who aren't equal to me. We're not equal. If anything, that's a bad way to think.

Like I said, I'm all for the CONCEPT of a compassionate human race, but why should I hold back someone smarter than me because I want to feel equal? Why should I lower myself for someone lesser?

Aint happening.

-AC

Exactly...my point....this must make you an obnoxious ass then

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh yes, I know. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt and a mug and now im gonna move where theres more of them diva

Shopuldn't that be "Been there, done them" ?

People being treated equally. I say it's a darn good idea. Equal rights, ya know? Something that doesn't even exist in the US even though it's one of our big 'points' that people brag about.

Originally posted by Lana
People being treated equally. I say it's a darn good idea. Equal rights, ya know? Something that doesn't even exist in the US even though it's one of our big 'points' that people brag about.

No no n o...being treated equal by the government yes....being treated equal as humans by other people...ok......people getting the same amount of money for absolutely different work....HELL NO

Okay you don't understand what I'm getting at, maybe I should have explained it better.

Everyone who does the same job, gets the same pay. Obviously a doctor should get paid more than a fast-food cashier. But one, say, office-worker shouldn't get paid more than another for doing the same job.

Originally posted by Lana
Okay you don't understand what I'm getting at, maybe I should have explained it better.

Everyone who does the same job, gets the same pay. Obviously a doctor should get paid more than a fast-food cashier. But one, say, office-worker shouldn't get paid more than another for doing the same job.

Well yes....that is not the Idea of communism you seem to support though.......

And it depends if the one office worrker is better than the other.....its not aboot doing a job but how much you are worth to someone else....

I'm for equal treatment too by our government, now where the hell are my food stamps? I've been waiting for them for years!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well yes....that is not the Idea of communism you seem to support though.......

And it depends if the one office worrker is better than the other.....its not aboot doing a job but how much you are worth to someone else....

How much you are worth?

It's people like you who make the concept of a compassionate human race in impossibility.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Exactly...my point....this must make you an obnoxious ass then

Nope .

Makes me a realistic person. Those who call me an obnoxious ass for not believing we're all equal are stupid themselves, because we're not.

-AC

Okay, so you know what, despite the fact that 99% of the time I'm a pessimistic realist, I still am a bit of an optimist about things

I'm with AC on this one. Who is actually going along with any global equality issues here? The gap's enormous.

Originally posted by Syren
How much you are worth?

It's people like you who make the concept of a compassionate human race in impossibility.

It's humans in general that make that nearly impossible. It's our will to advance that make it nearly impossible.

It's humans in general, not any specific group, but human nature.

Either way, compassion is already here if you look, it's just not worldwide and with everyone. If it's total equality you want, I suggest waking up.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's humans in general that make that nearly impossible. It's our will to advance that make it nearly impossible.

It's humans in general, not any specific group, but human nature.

Either way, compassion is already here if you look, it's just not worldwide and with everyone. If it's total equality you want, I suggest waking up.

-AC

Well, that's exactly why I said it'd never work. I think it's a great idea but human nature will never allow it to work. Everyone wants to be better than others.

I don't think it's neccessarily that we all want to be better, although that obviously happens.

I think it's that some people just can't be as good as they want to be, some are better than they expect. Some people are better than others, it's just life.

-AC

Originally posted by Syren
How much you are worth?

It's people like you who make the concept of a compassionate human race in impossibility.

No no actually its the Human Nature that makes a compassionate Human Race immpossibel...that is a different thread though....

What I meant with worth is if one worker makes twenty bags a day and another only ten the first worker is worth double to the Owner of the Factory.....its quite simple the Concept of Capitalism....

Originally posted by Lana
Okay, so you know what, despite the fact that 99% of the time I'm a pessimistic realist, I still am a bit of an optimist about things

well I am too sometimes.....for example I believe and hobe that it will all turn out good for Humans in the long riun...but being realistic has nothing to don with Pessimism...it might seem that way cause we nowadays belief in the not-existin "good" in people....

Originally posted by Bardock42


Shopuldn't that be "Been there, done them" ?

Yes, but you get the point.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's humans in general that make that nearly impossible. It's our will to advance that make it nearly impossible.

It's humans in general, not any specific group, but human nature.

Either way, compassion is already here if you look, it's just not worldwide and with everyone. If it's total equality you want, I suggest waking up.

-AC

I would never be so warped as to expect a Utopia, by anyone's standards... but it would be nice

Originally posted by Syren
I would never be so warped as to expect a Utopia, by anyone's standards... but it would be nice

Well but the Communiosm of Marx is no Utopia....its actually a Dystopia....I mean in the future a similar thing as communism might become handy but not now...not in our world.....

Communism should be viewed in its time. The 19th century it made a hell of a lot of sense back then. True Marx's ideas and ideology was and well still is radical and extreme but at the core, were at the time some very good ideas.

Syren, with all due respect, no it wouldn't be nice. It'd be a nightmare.

Everyone exactly equal? Nothing to strive for? No way to differentiate or feel independantly better?

Hell on Earth. Utopia is the biggest "Looks good on paper" theory of all time. Because if it ever happened, the world would be in a worse position than it is now.

-AC

Originally posted by Fire
Communism should be viewed in its time. The 19th century it made a hell of a lot of sense back then. True Marx's ideas and ideology was and well still is radical and extreme but at the core, were at the time some very good ideas.

It didn't either...its was extreme back then and it is still...Social Ideas back then yes....but not communism.....

Socialism evolved from Communism it made a hell of a lot sense back then. What Marx said about the church still holds the most truth from everything I have ever read and studied about that period.

Originally posted by Fire
Socialism evolved from Communism it made a hell of a lot sense back then. What Marx said about the church still holds the most truth from everything I have ever read and studied about that period.

I didnt say Socialism was good either....I said some Social Ideas were good....

As for Marx Religion Critique....yes I guess he's ok there...doesn't make his Communism any better though-....

I consider it all part of the same theory, but then again that's just me.

Still Communism has some good ideas in my opinion.

But if you really want to touch the core of it all I say you have to go back to the so called "French Revolution" that's the birth of it all.

Maybe...but seeing it on a scale from extreme to less extreme it's
Communism.-----Socialism------Social Ideas ----- some Social Ideas (That's aboot the right amoun) ----Freedom------

Not that I know of........

Yes...well ....I agree half way...at least you didn't take the Spartacus Uprising cause that would be just plain wrong (communists in germany did it anyways though)

"The French Revolution" is also the start of your beloved Liberalism

Originally posted by Fire
"The French Revolution" is also the start of your beloved Liberalism

Not quite....remember the US and Adam Smiths lived earlier....but basically I don't hate the French Revolution...it didn't really work out that great but still...

I know but that's why I put the "'s over here they all tend to call that "The French Revolution", never mind should have explained it better.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Syren, with all due respect, no it wouldn't be nice. It'd be a nightmare.

Everyone exactly equal? Nothing to strive for? No way to differentiate or feel independantly better?

Hell on Earth. Utopia is the biggest "Looks good on paper" theory of all time. Because if it ever happened, the world would be in a worse position than it is now.

-AC

I see what you're saying.. but 'in an ideal world' and all that... yeah, theorised on paper it sounds great. Converted my opinion.

Originally posted by Syren
I see what you're saying.. but 'in an ideal world' and all that... yeah, theorised on paper it sounds great. Converted my opinion.

As does Free Capitalism in an Ideal World...thios so called "Ideal World" just seems to be pretty useful for "Utopias".....but now its aboot what is closer to reality....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not equal, why should we think of ourselves as such?

I'm sorry. I recognise that there are many many many smarter people than me on this planet, I'm not equal to them. Just like alot of people aren't equal to me, or to you, or to anyone.

We're not all equal, nor will we ever be, nor should we be.

We're born with the ability to learn and advance, if we were meant to be equal we'd not have that. I'm all for the concept of humans being friendly and helping each other, but lowering myself to claim I'm equal to that of the common, The Sun newspaper reading dullard? No thanks.

-AC

Exactly, we are all equal to be that which we aspire to be, ie, a scientist is smarter than a linebacker, but a linebacker is stronger than the scientist. Communism makes these people equal in such a sense, in a democracy bums and homeless people can't do much, in communism they can get a job, decent schooling, and shit like that.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Exactly, we are all equal to be that which we aspire to be, ie, a scientist is smarter than a linebacker, but a linebacker is stronger than the scientist. Communism makes these people equal in such a sense, in a democracy bums and homeless people can't do much, in communism they can get a job, decent schooling, and shit like that.

They can in a decent founded Capitalistic country with some sort odf social environment too....but what if the linebacker is not stronger than the Scientists....you assume that everything will cancel each other out...some people are just plain better......take Tim Duncan ..he's a great Athlerte and I believe he has a degree in Psychology...not many people can keep up with him.....
In Capitalism everyone gets what they deserve.....

I would prefer the doctor that is better......

You are right though....its all the individuals decision (well as far as its possible for each individual) but they can't expect to earn the same for absolute different jobs....

Originally posted by Bardock42

In Capitalism everyone gets what they deserve.....

Do millions of people deserve to die of starvation daily in the Capitalist nations of Africa? Do catholics deserve the table scrap jobs they're givin in the capitalist country of northern Ireland? Do thousands of men, women, and children deserve to live in the street in the capitalist nation of America? I could go on, and on.

I wouldn't care, as long as they knew what they were doing and could do their job when I asked them to, if we're talking doctors.

The doctor getting her degree to cure diseases and help is all well and good, but the doctor getting her degree to earn millions still has to help people because it's her job. So help is the outcome either way. The path they took to become a doctor doesn't matter to me, nor do their reasons for becoming one.

If I go to hospital with a testicular lump, I'll take the first available doctor offering to cut the bastard out of my scrotum. Not say "Hmm, but what do you get out of this?"

-AC

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Do millions of people deserve to die of starvation daily in the Capitalist nations of Africa? Do catholics deserve the table scrap jobs they're givin in the capitalist country of northern Ireland? Do thousands of men, women, and children deserve to live in the street in the capitalist nation of America? I could go on, and on.

Yes

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

Well I can clarify it even more but the answer is yes anyways.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I can clarify it even more but the answer is yes anyways.....

Better keep it at that, no need to waste our time reading and writing book length posts.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Better keep it at that, no need to waste our time reading and writing book length posts.

True that....I like your avy by the way.....

Although i do have to say some....
People deserve it because they are not worth to anybody anything...if some bum on the street is worth 1000 bucks a month to you....Great....but they are not to anyone else.....maybe they are to some but its not their duty to find the people they are worth something to.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
True that....I like your avy by the way.....

Although i do have to say some....
People deserve it because they are not worth to anybody anything...if some bum on the street is worth 1000 bucks a month to you....Great....but they are not to anyone else.....maybe they are to some but its not their duty to find the people they are worth something to.....

But what about the homeless person? No country, IMO, is economically sound when there are people sleeping on boardwalks and park benches every night.

The latter, of course.

Because in the doctors case, her reasons don't affect her job. If she does her job well, it doesn't matter why she's a doctor because it doesn't affect her patience. Admittedly it's always nice to have a friendly doctor dealing with you but I don't go to hospitals to make friends, I go to get help.

In politics, someone in it for the money will make decisions for the money. Those decisions will affect people unlike the doctors ideals or choices.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I don*t think it is an implication of anything..but even if it is...the amount of homeless people in a stable and good Capitalisitc Society should be minimal....not quite like Communism but thats the prize you have to pay fopr advance

Obviously not a benificiary advance when people are starving.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Obviously not a benificiary advance when people are starving.

Well not many people starving...but really I don*t care in the long run it is better for all of humankind...plus I don*t starve...good for me......

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well not many people starving...but really I don*t care in the long run it is better for all of humankind...plus I don*t starve...good for me......

Nonetheless, when people die of malnutrition, and other preventable diseases for the sole reason of lack of money, then the country is not a good one.

Originally posted by The Omega


But why should it amount to money only? Are both not equally IMPORTANT to make a society work?


EXACTLY!!!

Originally posted by bilb
EXACTLY!!!

It's not the amouibnt of money...its the importance to people (considering their importance to other people again)

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Nonetheless, when people die of malnutrition, and other preventable diseases for the sole reason of lack of money, then the country is not a good one.

All right then...I disagree....but if thats all yoi care for Communism is the right system for you...that means for 50 years until all people die a horrible death cause nothing is working anymore....

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not the amouibnt of money...its the importance to people (considering their importance to other people again)



All right then...I disagree....but if thats all yoi care for Communism is the right system for you...that means for 50 years until all people die a horrible death cause nothing is working anymore....

Ok then, I propose a quasi-communistic ideal, work or your fired from your job and your source of money is cut off until you do work. I'll respond later, I've gotta go.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Ok then, I propose a quasi-communistic ideal, work or your fired from your job and your source of money is cut off until you do work. I'll respond later, I've gotta go.

So will I...I agree though we need a compromise....

Money is not always the driving force for career choice

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is disgusting......

Only to you...

Support communism and our party mascot (The muskrat) will get you totaly wasted.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Money is not always the driving force for career choice

Exactly, look at teachers for example.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So will I...I agree though we need a compromise....

What is there to comprimise? If you are unable to maintain a stable job after given so many chances to then I guess you're a dumbass.

Originally posted by pr1983
Only to you...

It should be to everyone though

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Money is not always the driving force for career choice

Of course n ot, but it is often, and if not its something equally important to the person.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
What is there to comprimise? If you are unable to maintain a stable job after given so many chances to then I guess you're a dumbass.

We need the Capitalistic System to keep evolving....to advance further mentally as much as powerwise.....
But we ourselves decided when we created society that it should be created to save people from dying, so we think that we have the duty to prevent people from starving or other deaths (Of course its not really a duty....but anways we should stick to it...out of a decision we should make towards it) therefore we should have a small amount of social security...but that's it....

Originally posted by silver_tears
Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust

It is good sometimes to share your thoughts and views on stuff that yuo are for or againt.JMelectricchair

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People have sigs and avvys of a very sexual nature despite having limited sexual experience. -AC
True.

No its not aboot education at all......I don't care for education......if someone uneducated can take a bullet out of my lung better than a surgeon I would go right to them.....I ust want the Bullet out of there...fast....and I am willing to pay for it....lots....more than for someone to take my trash out....cause I conwsider a smelly house less important than my life in that second (on the whole this might seem stupid but still I like to live)....

Well case the peopole have the money...they can decide whom they spend it on...if you are willing to spend 20000 a year for someone that takes ypur trash out...great...then do....but others just might not.......


Aboopt the entertaining....yes maybe you dot agree...maybe I don't agree either...but as long as 4 0000 people are willing to pay ten bucks to see it and another 5 000 000 people are willing to watch it on TV they deserve the money...cause they are worth the money.....I don't consider it important myself but it adds up.....and that's why capitalism is great (oh and its not capitalism that makes children die (not that I'd care) its the lack of capitalistic knowledge and ability.....)


Your compromise..yes I had a similar compromise in mind when I said:


But there are a few problems with yours...first of all where should the money come from.....we need people to work in order to earn money.....of course you can hope that enough people want ferraris and so on...but what if not? Then we have a problem.....then I don't think people "deserve" money from the state...no one deserves money kust for being alive (ok maybe some but then they are important to some or many). People should want to work and they should work....of course they shouldn'T die so they get a minimum of money if they can't work themselves...but a minimum so that someone who cleans a toilet has more money than them......they can then study or whatever if they want (although I believe there are only few people who are able to achieve a level of knowledge that is important to society (Scientists))

Originally posted by Bardock42
But there are a few problems with yours...first of all where should the money come from.....we need people to work in order to earn money.....of course you can hope that enough people want ferraris and so on...but what if not? Then we have a problem.....then I don't think people "deserve" money from the state...no one deserves money kust for being alive (ok maybe some but then they are important to some or many). People should want to work and they should work....of course they shouldn'T die so they get a minimum of money if they can't work themselves...but a minimum so that someone who cleans a toilet has more money than them......they can then study or whatever if they want (although I believe there are only few people who are able to achieve a level of knowledge that is important to society (Scientists))

Agreed, that is a flaw in communism, no one works.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Agreed, that is a flaw in communism, no one works.

quite the oppositte, EVERYONE works, and everyone is treated as equals.. in the true, defined sense of the term anyway

Originally posted by bilb
quite the oppositte, EVERYONE works, and everyone is treated as equals.. in the true, defined sense of the term anyway

Actually, no one works because they'll all be givin the same amount of money no matter what, I propose that you MUST work in order to recieve such money, unless your kid or a really old person.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Agreed, that is a flaw in communism, no one works.

That'S not the flaw....the flaw is that no one gets anything for thir work.......

Originally posted by silver_tears
Why do people go to such lengths to make a "statement"?


Like even around here, do people actually believe in communism, peta, etc etc, or are they just trying to be cool by sporting sigs and avvy's supporting it??

What statement are you making?
That you're simply a twit?!?! disgust

I did nae read through all the posts, but has anyone else noticed the irony of this ^ statement? Silly girl...

I have to admit, in my eagerness to reply, I hadn't noticed... oh no, wait. I didn't notice the irony, because there is none.