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Who would qualify as the best Jedi and best Sith for these categories... (put down one Jedi and one Sith for each category... whoever you think is the best):

Best Strategist:
Most Physically Conditioned:
Most powerful Force-user:
Best politician:
Best Swordsman:
Most revolutionary:
Most wisdom of the Force:
Most evil/good:
Best Pilot:
Coolest Looking:

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi:
Your favorite Sith:

(Feel free to add reasons as to why each character belongs in his or her category)

Best Strategist: Revan, I gotta give him/her his/her props.
Most Physically Conditioned: Ragnos, he's said to possess immense strength
Most powerful Force-user: This is tough, I'd like to say Sadow, Ragnos, or Nadd
Best politician: *cough*best manipulator* Sidious
Best Swordsman: Tulak Hord (though we know practically nothing)
Most revolutionary: Bane
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most evil/good: Sidious was evil himself. Yoda would be the most good.
Best Pilot: Kit Fisto? From what we heard.
Coolest Looking: I personally always liked the spirit version of Ragnos, but Revan looks badass with those robes.

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Yoda
Your favorite Sith: Sadow, Ragnos, Nadd, Kun... pffft, someone from that lot.

I refuse to acknowledge that smelly pile of incongruity that is NJO.

I don't feel like doing both 1 jedi and 1 sith, so I did 1 Jedi/Sith, sue me later.

Best Strategist: Revan
Most Physically Conditioned: Lord Hoth or Bane (Based on their hugeness in their respective comics)
Most powerful Force-user: Simus, Ragnos, or Sadow
Best politician: Sidious or Dooku
Best Swordsman: Tulak Hord
Most revolutionary: Either Revan or Freedan Nadd
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most evil/good: Pure evil- Sidious, Nihilus Pure good- Yoda
Best Pilot: Anakin or Assajj
Coolest Looking: Revan, Dooku, or Obi-Wan

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Your favorite Sith: Count Dooku

I could've sworn they metioned somewhere that Anakin wasn't quite as good as Kit Fisto, or that Anakin may be in Kit Fisto's league.

But from what we do know in the Clone Wars and PT, he's not a bad pilot by any means.

I wasn't aware that Kit Fisto was a good pilot.

I think he means Saesee Tiin. He said to be the best pilot during the Clone Wars.

Best Strategist: Revan
Most Physically Conditioned: Probably Malak
Most powerful Force-user: Ragnos
Best politician: Sidious (Gotta give him props)
Best Swordsman: Tulak Hord
Most revolutionary: Revan
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most evil/good: Evil: Sidous Good: Yoda
Best Pilot: Saesee Tiin
Coolest Looking: Aayla Secura

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: None
Your favorite Sith: None

Best Strategist: Revan
Most Physically Conditioned: Ragnos
Most powerful Force-user: hard to tell...Ragnos or NJO Luke
Best politician: Sidious
Best Swordsman: also hard to tell...Hord or Yoda
Most revolutionary: Bane
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most evil/good: Kun / Yoda
Best Pilot: Anakin
Coolest Looking: I can't decide

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Yoda
Your favorite Sith: Dooku

Best Strategist: Revan
Most Physically Conditioned: Malak
Most Powerful Force-User: Ragnos
Best Politician: Count Dooku
Best Swordsman: Yoda
Most Revolutionary: Darth Bane
Most Wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most Evil/Good Evil: Darth Sidious Good: Yoda
Best Pilot: Anakin Skywalker
Coolest Looking: Darth Maul

Your Favorite Jedi: Yoda
Your Favorite Sith: Darth Maul

Right... Thanks.

One of those minor characters that end up just dying, pffft.

I'm surprised none of you guys put down Luke Skywalker as one of your most revolutionary characters. I mean, he pretty much brought back the entire Jedi Order and reintroduced the Force to people across the galaxy. Not to mention, he helped Vader redeem himself and destroyed the Empire...

Yeah, but it was Obi-wan and Yoda's idea. He just wanted to be a pilot in the Imperial Naval Academy. Besides, it would be the job of any survivor to resurrect the Order, and if it wasn't him it would have been one of the few remaining Jedi in hiding.

He didn't do anything revolutionary besides reinstate principles that were already upstanding but simply eclipsed by the Empire. Then he made a few adjustments for necessity's sake.

I suppose you are right, but, even though it wasn't really his idea (because it was Obi-wan's/Yoda's), he is still the one who did it. Even if you ignore what he did throughout the trilogy, much of the EU after it shows what Luke did and follows him/his adventures. By this time, Yoda and Obi-wan have no say in what he does and he is still revolutionary. I know your not gonna like this, but I need to refer to the NJO real quick. Luke did many things that kept the Jedi from extinction during this time and he helped save the galaxy yet again. I mean, it was Luke who started the New Jedi Order. Just think if he had decided to stop doing good things after the OT; it is very possible that there could have been no Jedi Order at all after this point. Although it was technically the job of any survivor to do what Luke did, he is still the only person that did do it, therefore making him the most revolutionary. (Plus he accomplished much more than Obi-wan/Yoda required)...

Yeah, true. But then, NJO is a series that practically beats Luke off with its praise to his godliness, so I won't point that out... again...

Good point... I didn't really know that Dooku was your favorite Sith

Yeah, always has been, even if Christopher Lee portrays him kinda... awkwardly at times.

Christopher Lee is one of the best things going in Episode 3.

You'd think they'd hire a screenwriter -- those lines could make Jesus look like an idiot.

I hate you all.Plus myself

lmao

Originally posted by Darth_Otaku
I hate you all.Plus myself

you have low self esteem.

Now.I just feel numb.i hate you.

Originally posted by Darth_Otaku
Now.I just feel numb.i hate you.

You must've been sexually abused.

Who is that in your sign, Himo? I've been meaning to ask...

Yeah, the person in Himo's sig sure looks better than the person in yours, Janus.

Originally posted by HimoKun
You must've been sexually abused.

Man don't say that.Please

Hey, Christopher Lee is secksy after 2 Am...

Christopher Lee is hardly secksy no matter the time.

AND SOMEONE DID IT THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST OF YOU!!!!

Originally posted by Darth_Otaku
AND SOMEONE DID IT THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST OF YOU!!!!

Have a stuttering problem?

Originally posted by Illustrious
Have a stuttering problem?

..its a FooFighters song...which i really hate..but it spooking around my head.

Best Strategist: Revan.
Most Physically Conditioned: I have no idea.
Most powerful Force-user: Ragnos (may NJO Luke rot in the nine hells).
Best politician: The lame ass Sidious.
Best Swordsman: Tulak Hord.
Most revolutionary: Revan.
Most wisdom of the Force: Are favorate little green dude Yoda!.
Most evil/good: I dunno you tell me.
Best Pilot: The retarted and idotic Anakin Skywalker.
Coolest Looking: Dude without a doubt, Revan all the way (his armor just kicks ass).

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: I hate Jedi
Your favorite Sith: Revan.

How could you hate Jedi!!! Plenty of Jedi are kickass...

Best Strategist: DS Revan, Hoth
Most Physically Conditioned: Ragnos, Hoth
Most powerful Force-user: Ragnos, NJO Luke
Best politician: Sidious, Leia
Best Swordsman: Tulak, Mace
Most revolutionary: Sidious, Luke
Most wisdom of the Force: Ragnos, Yoda
Most evil/good: Nihilus, Yoda
Best Pilot: Vader(?), Sasee Tiin
Coolest Looking: Ragnos, LS Revan

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Corran Horn
Your favorite Sith: Revan

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Best Strategist:
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Darth Revan - kicked ass.
Grand Admiral Thrawn - kicked ass.

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Most Physically Conditioned:
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Marka Ragnos - kicked ass.

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Most Powerful Force-user:
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New Jedi Order Luke - and a LOT of Sith.

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Best Politician:
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Darth Sidious - manipulated ass (lol?)
^ I agree with Illustrious

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Best Swordsman:
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Tulak Hord - best Ancient Sith duelist
Count Dooku - owned PT ass.

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Most Revolutionary:
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Darth Bane: Re-evolved the Sith.
Palpatine: Took over the galaxy.
Luke: Restored peace.

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Most Wisdom of the Force:
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Master Yoda - Don't mess with the old green man
Darth Plageius - Messed with midi-chlorians. But dumb enough to turn his back on Sidious.

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Most evil/good:
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Darth Sidious: evil
Yoda: Ev - I mean - good.

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Best Pilot:
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Anakin Skywalker
Luke Skywalker
Anyone named Skywalker (lol)
Coolest Looking:

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Yoda and...uh...Yoda
Your favorite Sith: Dooku and Sidious

Excellent post ^

Best Strategist: Palpatine
Most Physically Conditioned: hard to say really...
Most powerful Force-user: Yoda/ Luke/ Or Palpatine
Best politician: Palpatine by far
Best Swordsman: Yoda/ Palpatine and Anakin
Most revolutionary: Palpatine or Luke
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda - for lightside | Palpatine - for Darkside
Most evil/good: Evil - Palps | Good - Yoda
Best Pilot: Anakin
Coolest Looking: Darth Vader

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Yoda
Your favorite Sith: Palpatine (Sidious)

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Best Strategist: Palpatine
Most Physically Conditioned: hard to say really...
Most powerful Force-user: Yoda/ Luke/ Or Palpatine
Best politician: Palpatine by far
Best Swordsman: Yoda/ Palpatine and Anakin
Most revolutionary: Palpatine or Luke
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda - for lightside | Palpatine - for Darkside
Most evil/good: Evil - Palps | Good - Yoda
Best Pilot: Anakin
Coolest Looking: Darth Vader

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Yoda
Your favorite Sith: Palpatine (Sidious)

Anomoly is: Fanboy
Favorite character: Sidious
Person most likely to be found naked in Anomoly's dreams: Sidious
Favorite bathrobe: Black, with frill
Wish he was: Sidious in heels
Current working on: A basement pale tan
Employed by: Piggly Wiggly (But can only work in the back)
Can be often found: Drawing the fire of EU fans
Reply to this post will probably be: stfu lol

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Anomoly is: Fanboy
Favorite character: Sidious
Person most likely to be found naked in Anomoly's dreams: Sidious
Favorite bathrobe: Black, with frill
Wish he was: Sidious in heels
Current working on: A basement pale tan
Employed by: Piggly Wiggly (But can only work in the back)
Can be often found: Drawing the fire of EU fans
Reply to this post will probably be: stfu lol

Janus is: a useless loser who finds the need to insult people for no reason

favorite character: ...i dunno, who the hell cares what he thinks anyways

person most likley to be naked in Janus' dreams: i honestly dont want to know this...it makes me shudder to even think about it...

Favorite bathrobe: he doesnt wear bathrobes, just lace panties, they make him feel more like a woman

Wish he was: Ron Jeremy, cause then he'd still be fat and ugly, but at least he'd have a penis.

Currently working on: jerking off to internet porn, but thats not a suprise.

Employed by: hes not employed, apparently wearing lace panties dont land too many jobs for men these days

Can often be found: wondering if he will ever have a life, or get laid

Reply to this post will probably be: I'm never leaving, i'll stay here just to torment you, and everytime you are an idiot like you just were Janus, i'll only get worse. just cause your such a great person.

have a nice day

Best Strategist: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Most Physically Conditioned: Luminara Unduli
Most powerful Force-user: Mace Windu and Yoda
Best politician: Luminara Unduli
Best Swordsman: Yoda
Most revolutionary: Darth Sidious
Most wisdom of the Force: Yoda
Most evil/good: Darth Maul
Best Pilot: Stass Allie or Adi Gallia
Coolest Looking: Shaak Ti

Bonus:
Your favorite Jedi: Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Adi Gallia, and Stass Allie
Your favorite Sith: Darth Maul

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Janus is: a useless loser who finds the need to insult people for no reason

favorite character: ...i dunno, who the hell cares what he thinks anyways

person most likley to be naked in Janus' dreams: i honestly dont want to know this...it makes me shudder to even think about it...

Favorite bathrobe: he doesnt wear bathrobes, just lace panties, they make him feel more like a woman

Wish he was: Ron Jeremy, cause then he'd still be fat and ugly, but at least he'd have a penis.

Currently working on: jerking off to internet porn, but thats not a suprise.

Employed by: hes not employed, apparently wearing lace panties dont land too many jobs for men these days

Can often be found: wondering if he will ever have a life, or get laid

Reply to this post will probably be: I'm never leaving, i'll stay here just to torment you, and everytime you are an idiot like you just were Janus, i'll only get worse. just cause your such a great person.

have a nice day

Anomaly's Reply: Not bad
Expected: Less
Hoping for: Something hilarious
Will settle for: another pic to throw at him
Unfortunately: at work... no pics just yet

The Anomoly...uh...I like Sidious and all but you take it a bit too far sometimes.

He's a movie superfanboy, rivaling on the level of supershadow.

Wow, you really can't get much worse than that.

Well, supershadow has a following. Anomaly just has enemies.

Anomaly is Supershadow with less "knowledge".

He is kind of a "movie fanboy" huh?

Kind off, ever since I first came here I have not seen one post of him where he admits that the EU people actually might have a chance or that the EU is nice. He comes here purely and only to annoy people that like the EU he gets a kick from it.

that is correct.

if you want to compare an EU character to an EU character fine, then its fair cause there both anything the author want to be, and both follow no guidelines what so ever.

but when you compare a movie character, where there are guidelines, cause the movies are SW to an EU character where there are not it becomes stupid and pointless.

so really i should have done the list twice, 1 for EU characters, and one for movie characters. cause they should not be put in the same place.

i'd take it as far as sayign things like EU dooku and movie dooku.

apparently EU dooku would kick anakins ass, where as movie Dooku got owned. see what i mean...

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
that is correct.

if you want to compare an EU character to an EU character fine, then its fair cause there both anything the author want to be, and both follow no guidelines what so ever.

but when you compare a movie character, where there are guidelines, cause the movies are SW to an EU character where there are not it becomes stupid and pointless.

so really i should have done the list twice, 1 for EU characters, and one for movie characters. cause they should not be put in the same place.

i'd take it as far as sayign things like EU dooku and movie dooku.

apparently EU dooku would kick anakins ass, where as movie Dooku got owned. see what i mean...

No, Dooku Movie style would beat Anakin, while EU Dooku would get his ass kicked.

that makes no sense at all...

Hmmmm, then you must not have a big brain.

err....ok

but according to EU Dooku lost on purpose, and could have beaten anakin had he felt like it but was told by palpatine to holdback.

but according to the movies, dooku just got owned by anakin.

so i still dont know what your talking about

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
err....ok

but according to EU Dooku lost on purpose, and could have beaten anakin had he felt like it but was told by palpatine to holdback.

but according to the movies, dooku just got owned by anakin.

so i still dont know what your talking about

According to which EU? Dooku was holding back as anyone with a half a brain could see.

wtf are you talking about....

in EU dooku was holding back, exaclty what EU, i dont know, go look in the Dooku vs. Sidious thread. its all there.

in the movies, in no way was it obvious he was holding back, he just got his ass kicked in the movies, flat out anakin owned him.

so, in simple terms just for you:

EU = Dooku holding back, should beat anakin no problem

Movies = Dooku got pummled by anakin

or even more simple

EU = Dooku better then Anakin

Movies = Anakin better then Dooku

Best Strategist:
Most Physically Conditioned: Bane
Most powerful Force-user: Ragnos
Best politician: Sidious
Best Swordsman: Dooku/Revan
Most revolutionary: Sadow
Most wisdom of the Force: Ragnos/Yoda/Plagueis
Most evil/good: Sidious/Qui Gon
Best Pilot: Plo Koon/Anakin
Coolest Looking: Mara Jade drool

Bonus:
favorite Jedi: Qui Gon/Quinlan Vos/Dark Woman
favorite Sith: Sidous/Ragnos/Revan

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
wtf are you talking about....

in EU dooku was holding back, exaclty what EU, i dont know, go look in the Dooku vs. Sidious thread. its all there.

in the movies, in no way was it obvious he was holding back, he just got his ass kicked in the movies, flat out anakin owned him.

so, in simple terms just for you:

EU = Dooku holding back, should beat anakin no problem

Movies = Dooku got pummled by anakin

or even more simple

EU = Dooku better then Anakin

Movies = Anakin better then Dooku

Where does it say in-movie or from the mouth of GL that Anakin Skywalker is better than Count Dooku? Obvious he won the fight, but clearly Dooku wasn't giving Anakin his all. How can you watch Dooku destroy Obi-Wan ever so casually and then watch Obi-Wan pwn Anakin... and then say Dooku is worse than Anakin? Are you that much of a fanboy?

err...no

it wasnet obvious at all...

i think the expression on Dookus face is enough to justufy that, he hadent expeced to be beaten by Anakin.

and you are being a fanboy, unfortunatly.

on screen, Dooku got OWNED. thats all there is too it, in no way was it mentioned that or implied that Dooku was holding back.

so all we have then is that Dooku lost to anakin.

if however you add EU, then Dooku was indeed holding back.

but movies themselves, dooku just was not as good as anakin.

anything else is wishful thinking and speculation.

as for Anakin beaing beaten by Obi, thats cause obi was simply more experianced, not blinded by rage, and knew all of anakins moves, seeing as he trained him. as well, more importnatly, anakin made one arrogent mistake, during the rest of the fight, anakin was ontop. obi was almost always in defensive mode.

(and im not including form III where Obi is "supposed" to be in defensive mode, im talking strictly the movies)

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
err...no

it wasnet obvious at all...

i think the expression on Dookus face is enough to justufy that, he hadent expeced to be beaten by Anakin.

and you are being a fanboy, unfortunatly.

on screen, Dooku got OWNED. thats all there is too it, in no way was it mentioned that or implied that Dooku was holding back.

so all we have then is that Dooku lost to anakin.

if however you add EU, then Dooku was indeed holding back.

but movies themselves, dooku just was not as good as anakin.

anything else is wishful thinking and speculation.

as for Anakin beaing beaten by Obi, thats cause obi was simply more experianced, not blinded by rage, and knew all of anakins moves, seeing as he trained him. as well, more importnatly, anakin made one arrogent mistake, during the rest of the fight, anakin was ontop. obi was almost always in defensive mode.

(and im not including form III where Obi is "supposed" to be in defensive mode, im talking strictly the movies)

It's gotta be rough only seeing the world like that.

ok then you have no possible argument against it then...

good to hear.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
ok then you have no possible argument against it then...

good to hear.

I have plenty, as do many people around here. But there's no point wasting anything on you, because you have your mind made up on what you saw in movie. you've also totally drowned out the possibilty for speculation and "thinking outside the box" as GL reminds us to do in one of his many interviews, and you hate Eu, so you won't accept anything Eu based for fear that it might change the way you think about the movie.

Anomaly, people here in Eu dislike you, but it's more about how you reason then your stance on Eu per se.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I have plenty, as do many people around here. But there's no point wasting anything on you, because you have your mind made up on what you saw in movie. you've also totally drowned out the possibilty for speculation and "thinking outside the box" as GL reminds us to do in one of his many interviews, and you hate Eu, so you won't accept anything Eu based for fear that it might change the way you think about the movie.

Anomaly, people here in Eu dislike you, but it's more about how you reason then your stance on Eu per se.

you misunderstand me. i never said it wasent possible that Dooku MIGHT have been holding back. anything is possible.

but please tell me (in canon terms, not EU i've already said EU changes things) of ANY evidence of the fact that dooku was holding back during that fight, if you can then OK, ill give you the benifit of the doubt. but to just say "it was obvious" and all that means nothing, cause it wasent obvious at all.

in the movie what was obvious was this:

Dooku fought anakin and obi

dooku schooled obi as per usual

Obi got hurt

Anakin got mad

Anakin Owned dooku

thats it.

I agree with Anomaly SOLEY on the movie dooku vs. Anakin interpretation. In the movie, there's very little to say Dooku was holding back, especially when Anakin cuts his hands off. The book also explains any questionable parts, like how Dooku is doing so good against them both at first, because they are faking different styles and then they catch him off guard. Dooku planned to kill Obi, which he didn't, and he didn't plan to lose his hands or his life. The book also says more or less that (in book) Sidious told Anakin to use his anger and that made him much stronger and so he caught Dooku off guard. In the movie, Dooku says something along those anger lines.

I believe if no one had told Anakin to use his anger, and if Dooku was trying to kill Anakin, he would've succeeded. However, I also believe Anakin still would've put up a great fight and I think he still rivals Dooku.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
you misunderstand me. i never said it wasent possible that Dooku MIGHT have been holding back. anything is possible.

but please tell me (in canon terms, not EU i've already said EU changes things) of ANY evidence of the fact that dooku was holding back during that fight, if you can then OK, ill give you the benifit of the doubt. but to just say "it was obvious" and all that means nothing, cause it wasent obvious at all.

Please grab me a carton of milk (without any idea of where I live, and no mode of transportation besides your legs, and no money besides your ten finger discount).

See?

Anyone can load a question with a bunch of conditions that make it next to impossible.

In that same movie, I saw this:

Dooku owned Obi-Wan easily.

Anakin killed Dooku.

Obi-Wan cut up Anakin.

It doesn't take a genius to say that there are some incongruities, regardless of if it is explained in EU or not.

So next time you try to load a question, use YOUR BRAIN.

QED, you're done.

Damn... I didn't even get to strike back. Nice work, Illustrious.

I'll just put it this way:

Look at the way, Anomaly, Dooku fights Anakin in AOTC. He has very smooth, precise movements. Now, look at ROTS Dooku when he's fighting Anakin. Watch as in his movement make him look like he's a newbie kinda since his moves are completely different from AOTC. He makes his swing incredibly big, something he never did in AOTC, his movements are completely different. They are the almost exact opposite.

movements? precise attacks? there not real fighters, jedi are not real, its not real sword play, its stunts.

notice that obi's abilities are nothing like they were in Eps II? thats cause its a movie.

the forms dont exist, they do whatever nick G. wants them to do.

have you ever heard "the simplest solution..."

anyone can over analyze something to make it fit an argument. its easy to do.

simply, Dooku lost because Anakin beat him. anything else is speculation and non-conclusive evidence. we've seen Dooku fight few times, hardly enough to create any sort of real idea of what his swordsmanship looks like (which is impossible anyways, cause its not real)

as for Obi beating Anakin i already explained myself before.

Anakin was beating Obi for the whole fight. Obi was always defensive.

Anakin made 1 stupid mistake that cost him. and THAT mistake was made to be obvious to the viewers. Dooku not trying was certainly not.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
movements? precise attacks? there not real fighters, jedi are not real, its not real sword play, its stunts.

notice that obi's abilities are nothing like they were in Eps II? thats cause its a movie.

the forms dont exist, they do whatever nick G. wants them to do.

have you ever heard "the simplest solution..."

anyone can over analyze something to make it fit an argument. its easy to do.

simply, Dooku lost because Anakin beat him. anything else is speculation and non-conclusive evidence. we've seen Dooku fight few times, hardly enough to create any sort of real idea of what his swordsmanship looks like (which is impossible anyways, cause its not real)

as for Obi beating Anakin i already explained myself before.

Anakin was beating Obi for the whole fight. Obi was always defensive.

Anakin made 1 stupid mistake that cost him. and THAT mistake was made to be obvious to the viewers. Dooku not trying was certainly not.

Anomaly..simple put your an ass...get out of the EU forums.

Actually, according to the script, Anomaly, Dooku looks straight at Palpatine before he dies and exclaims "What? You promised me amnesty!" No, this didn't make its way into the original film, but it is in the script itself, along with a few other things that didn't make it.

So much for speculation.

Lucas didnt put it in the movie for a reason, because he didnt want it there.

unfortunatly things that "could" have been mean nothing at all..

Originally posted by darthrevan89
Anomaly..simple put your an ass...get out of the EU forums.

great response, amazing argumentation...

im extremely impressed...

ohh and No

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Lucas didnt put it in the movie for a reason, because he didnt want it there.

unfortunatly things that "could" have been mean nothing at all..

That's speculation, Anomaly. Where does it say Lucas didn't want it in the movie if it's in the script?

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
great response, amazing argumentation...

im extremely impressed...

ohh and No

I call you an ass because you do your best to agrivate fans of EU.

The Anomaly, there is a reason why Obi-Wan was in the defensive all the time during his fight with Anakin. He is a Form III user, after turning from Form IV seeing Qui-Gon die from the lack of defence. A form three mastery requires someone to be well conditioned to save off fatigue from an expected long fight. When a weaknedd is found, you use that to its advantage.
Even with Obi-Wan's defenses, Dooku was still able to easily hit Obi-Wan in the arm and leg in AOTC. Also I find Obi-Wan easily affected by force powers, he has very little resistance. Being Forced Pushed by Maul, and then again by Dooku in ROTS, the latter being far more powerful, but Obi-Wan also being a lot more powerful.

Plus the whole fight in ROTS was staged, although I am sure Palpatine didn't tell Dooku about that he was going to die. So that would be the only true expression shown... mind you I found Christopher Lee a really good actor (obvious from the experience, but the older actors are better in general even from their youth, unlike Hayden or Portman - a common treand in any field - although mind you there are still the exceptions).

Okay when Dooku fell on the ground for instance his face looked surprised, but when Sidious said kill him... The look on his face then, he was scared shocked and surprised.

Does that not say enough.

Okay he lost but he would at least survive and then he hears that he dies.

Then you have that sentence that was supposed to be said by Dooku.

Then there is the fact that Dooku easily owned Obi Wan and kicked Anakin away, after that he starts toying with him, instead of taking him out Dooku tells Anakin to use his anger. Dooku kicked him away just seconds earlier. Logically speaking why would somebody like Dooku tell Anakin to use his anger if he didn't have a reason for it? Its not like he would want to fight Anakin, its clear that he sees Obi Wan as a greater opponent.

Also think of this, Dooku is second under Sidious. Sidious wanted to turn Anakin to the Dark Side, Dooku must know of this. Or at least of the relation the two of them have. Why would his master allow him to destroy Anakin when he wanted to turn Anakin? It makes no sense.

not nessassarly, i think the shock was more the fact that Dooku had expected Palpatine to come to his aid, or at least tell anakin to spare his life

this does not then imply that the fight was staged at all. it simply means that Dooku, being palpatines apprentice, had expected palpatine to save him and was suprised to hear his master tell anakin to kill him.

which in no way means that the fight was staged. also, he DID get his hands cut off. im sure had he been "not trying" he'd at least put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off if he was capable of it.

Please leave... you ruined my thread and you're acting like a know-it-all bastard.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
not nessassarly, i think the shock was more the fact that Dooku had expected Palpatine to come to his aid, or at least tell anakin to spare his life

this does not then imply that the fight was staged at all. it simply means that Dooku, being palpatines apprentice, had expected palpatine to save him and was suprised to hear his master tell anakin to kill him.

which in no way means that the fight was staged. also, he DID get his hands cut off. im sure had he been "not trying" he'd at least put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off if he was capable of it.
Anomally, why do you even come here? Everyone here hates you, they despise you, you despise this forum, so why come back?

He thrives on attention.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
He thrives on attention.

even if it's negative.

He was the kid to constantly get slapped as a kid reaching into the cookie jar.

Originally posted by HimoKun
even if it's negative.

No such thing as bad attention to some people.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
not nessassarly, i think the shock was more the fact that Dooku had expected Palpatine to come to his aid, or at least tell anakin to spare his life

this does not then imply that the fight was staged at all. it simply means that Dooku, being palpatines apprentice, had expected palpatine to save him and was suprised to hear his master tell anakin to kill him.

which in no way means that the fight was staged. also, he DID get his hands cut off. im sure had he been "not trying" he'd at least put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off if he was capable of it.

You would think so yes, but wouldn't you think that the possibly greatest duellist in the galaxy would know better then to get his hands cut off especially when he is trying. There is nothing to show that he became weaker after taking care of Obi Wan nothing at all, why would he lose? Why would he push on Anakin his anger?

And why would he expect Sidious to help him if he really lost, he knows the way of the Sith.

first off yes, that was my point, you'd think if he was that good he'd put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off. if he was truly not trying he would have at least put in the effort where he would not get himself hurt.

i dont understand your next point, did he become weaker? to me it looked like he just owned obi, and then he just wasn't as good as anakin. he didnt "become weaker" he just WAS weaker against anakin.

why would he push on Anakin's anger? for many reasons, perhaps he felt that anakin would join him (a la him asking obi, so that they can kill palps) perhaps he was just stating what he felt. i will admit, this part is definitely the hardest to argue against, but as i said before. had he been capable of doing better he would have done at LEAST better enough to not get his hands cut off.

why would he expect sids to help? well Dooku isnt REALLY a sith, he is, but he isnt, he hasn't got the ferocity or evilness that most sith have. hes a sith by title only, not by character. (i mean how often to we call him Tyranus?...see what i mean)

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
That's speculation, Anomaly. Where does it say Lucas didn't want it in the movie if it's in the script?

that makes no sense at all...

its in the script, but didnt make it to the movie, there was a reason for that. because lucas decided to not have it in the movie...

if lucas had wanted it in the movie it would have been in the movie...

get it?

M'kay.

To be honest, I do believe Count Dooku is the best duelist in the prequel movies. Greater than Yoda. But Yoda is simply more powerful than Dooku, hence the problems he gave him.

Fishy, lol, you can't say Dooku intended for Anakin to amputate his arms. And think. IF Dooku knew the ways of the Sith, he wouldn't have trusted Sidious to help him in the first place...

But that fight was poorly done, anyways.