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I think the Thing is a high Class 100. I mean, Thor is right, and ive heard characters say that the Thing is actually stronger than Thor. Specifically, in an X-Man comic i just read. In the comic, Franklin and Nate are talking about the Avengers, and Thor's name comes up. Franklin tells Nate that Thor always thinks he's stronger than his "Unca' Ben", but that Franklin never believes him. Then Franklin asks Nate who is really stronger or something like that and Nate says that he has had confrontations with both and has completely scanned both of their current potentials and said that Franklin's right, the Thing has more pure physical strength than Thor. So if this is true, that means the Thing is actually a high Class 100, just like Thor and the Hulk and many others.

What does everyone think of that?

anyone?

I don't see it I mean he never beats the Hulk he got knocked out by Juggs in three blows of course that is two more blows than what colossus took.

yea, but im going by what X-Man said.

It's crap.

That was in the special comic where they take down onslaught, right?

Or sometime within Onslaught. . .

That's the only place I can think of where Nate and Franklin would be talking. . .

Though no offense, I wouldn't take Franklin's word for it . . you know little kids always think those that are closest to them are the best. . .

Originally posted by Khellendros
It's crap.

Agree.

Originally posted by armandovalles
I think the Thing is a high Class 100. I mean, Thor is right, and ive heard characters say that the Thing is actually stronger than Thor. Specifically, in an X-Man comic i just read. In the comic, Franklin and Nate are talking about the Avengers, and Thor's name comes up. Franklin tells Nate that Thor always thinks he's stronger than his "Unca' Ben", but that Franklin never believes him. Then Franklin asks Nate who is really stronger or something like that and Nate says that he has had confrontations with both and has completely scanned both of their current potentials and said that Franklin's right, the Thing has more pure physical strength than Thor. So if this is true, that means the Thing is actually a high Class 100, just like Thor and the Hulk and many others.

What does everyone think of that?

Thor = < Juggernaught

Juggernaught = Knocked an enhanced Thing out with Three punches

Thor = Alot Stronger than Thing.

Marvel Class system = shit

Originally posted by Creshosk
That was in the special comic where they take down onslaught, right?

Or sometime within Onslaught. . .

That's the only place I can think of where Nate and Franklin would be talking. . .

Though no offense, I wouldn't take Franklin's word for it . . you know little kids always think those that are closest to them are the best. . .

no... it was in X-Man just before Apoc tried to take him as a host and they did that whole thing with weird;y altered realities all over Marvel (Wolverine's comic featured the New Fantastic Four of himself, Spidey, Ghost Rider and Hulk)

but Nate never said that..... Franklin was going on about how he thinks Thing is stronger and Nate never really commented either way (i think.... i may look it up to be certain.... but i'm pretty sure Armando's got it wrong here)

Originally posted by Scoobless
no... it was in X-Man just before Apoc tried to take him as a host and they did that whole thing with weird;y altered realities all over Marvel (Wolverine's comic featured the New Fantastic Four of himself, Spidey, Ghost Rider and Hulk)

but Nate never said that..... Franklin was going on about how he thinks Thing is stronger and Nate never really commented either way (i think.... i may look it up to be certain.... but i'm pretty sure Armando's got it wrong here)

They are probably not as far behind each other as the stupid Class system suggests, though. Thor still = stronger.

Armando you know Thing isnt a high class 100. She hulk isnt a high class 100 and she embarassingly maxed out his max lifting capacity with one arm. High class 100 are people like Hulk and Thanos people who have immeasureable strength, who can lift ridiculous amounts. Thing is far from one of them. He still isnt officially class 100 yet. The F4 hbk 2005 states him as level 6 which encompasses 75 tons up to 100 tons. Therefore there is no evidence that thing has improved from the last hbk where he is class 85.

The marvel system is messed up and characters seem to be able to lift way more than their class rating suggests. However those who are high class 100 have a rating of 7, Thing is 6, Thing isnt as strong as She hulk or even Colossus. He's a cool character, a good fighter and a veteran, but a high class 100 member he aint.

Alright...

Onslaught (as much as i love it, and i do) has horribly inconsistent writing... the cyttorak gem in juggy's chest? please...

Originally posted by pr1983
Alright...

Onslaught (as much as i love it, and i do) has horribly inconsistent writing... the cyttorak gem in juggy's chest? please... Yes that is very true.

Originally posted by armandovalles
I think the Thing is a high Class 100. I mean, Thor is right, and ive heard characters say that the Thing is actually stronger than Thor. Specifically, in an X-Man comic i just read. In the comic, Franklin and Nate are talking about the Avengers, and Thor's name comes up. Franklin tells Nate that Thor always thinks he's stronger than his "Unca' Ben", but that Franklin never believes him. Then Franklin asks Nate who is really stronger or something like that and Nate says that he has had confrontations with both and has completely scanned both of their current potentials and said that Franklin's right, the Thing has more pure physical strength than Thor. So if this is true, that means the Thing is actually a high Class 100, just like Thor and the Hulk and many others.

What does everyone think of that?

Come on Armando you're really scraping for points here. Thing really isnt high class 100. He isnt even officially been shown to be class 100 yet. Franklin is a little child. His uncle is his hero. He thinks Thing can beat anyone, he's at that age. Just like when we were kids and we thought our dads were the greatest. Franklin is in a desperate , horrible situation he's been captured by an evil entity and imprisoned. He's helpless, all he has to cling on to is hope. Hope that his parents and especially his "unca ben" will come and rescue him like they always do. He asks Nate who he thinks is stronger and Nate does what any kind person would do in the same situation and he keeps that hope strong in Franklin, he helps him to stay strong in that awful situation by telling him a white lie.

Originally posted by armandovalles
I think the Thing is a high Class 100. I mean, Thor is right, and ive heard characters say that the Thing is actually stronger than Thor. Specifically, in an X-Man comic i just read. In the comic, Franklin and Nate are talking about the Avengers, and Thor's name comes up. Franklin tells Nate that Thor always thinks he's stronger than his "Unca' Ben", but that Franklin never believes him. Then Franklin asks Nate who is really stronger or something like that and Nate says that he has had confrontations with both and has completely scanned both of their current potentials and said that Franklin's right, the Thing has more pure physical strength than Thor. So if this is true, that means the Thing is actually a high Class 100, just like Thor and the Hulk and many others.

What does everyone think of that?

I think you should stop taking X comics at face value.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Armando you know Thing isnt a high class 100. She hulk isnt a high class 100 and she embarassingly maxed out his max lifting capacity with one arm. High class 100 are people like Hulk and Thanos people who have immeasureable strength, who can lift ridiculous amounts. Thing is far from one of them. He still isnt officially class 100 yet. The F4 hbk 2005 states him as level 6 which encompasses 75 tons up to 100 tons. Therefore there is no evidence that thing has improved from the last hbk where he is class 85.
Actually, She-hulk is now a confirmed HIGH class 100. The fact that she held up Thing's max with one arm, with ease, when he's a class 90 or maybe low low class 100 should tell you that. And then there's the arm wrestling match with Hercules where she let him win because she could tell he was trying his hardest and not even budging her arm.

Anyways, back to the original point of the thread. I would put Thing, at his best, in the low class 100 range. As in, he's right at 100 or so tons lifting power (as opposed to Thor, who is also a class 100 but does things like lifting the Midgard Serpent). But even then, I think most people would argue with me.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Actually, She-hulk is now a confirmed HIGH class 100. The fact that she held up Thing's max with one arm, with ease, when he's a class 90 or maybe low low class 100 should tell you that. And then there's the arm wrestling match with Hercules where she let him win because she could tell he was trying his hardest and not even budging her arm.

Anyways, back to the original point of the thread. I would put Thing, at his best, in the low class 100 range. As in, he's right at 100 or so tons lifting power (as opposed to Thor, who is also a class 100 but does things like lifting the Midgard Serpent). But even then, I think most people would argue with me.

I didnt put She hulk in the high class 100 category because according to hercules fans he was mortal when she did so although i did query this confusing hercules situation and got nothing credible back so i think its all rubbish anyway.

But yeah Thing is far from high class 100.

Does lifting 150,000 tons give you high class rating?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Does lifting 150,000 tons give you high class rating?

Stop trying to get Namor accepted as a high class 100. He's not. Marvels ratings system is messed up. Characters who are stated as being able to lift 50 tons are shown lifting 100's of tonnes. However you know that those class 50 characters arent in the class 100 category because according to Marvel theyre not on that level. Despite the misleading class names.

Namor has some good lifting feats, however officially he is a low class 100. Therefore he is not on the same level as people like Thanos and Hulk and so on who are classified as level 7 (above Namors 6 rating) with level 7 being high class 100.

"I didnt put She hulk in the high class 100 category because according to hercules fans he was mortal when she did so although i did query this confusing hercules situation and got nothing credible back so i think its all rubbish anyway. "

Until Marvel comes up with a standart point its always going to be. He was mortal yes. However late showings of him as mortal (that she hulk ish, Jurgens Thor in the first 15 issues, Avengers 12, and JlA/Avengers,) makes him close to the levels he was as immortal.

She Hulk winning does have some merit. If Mortal Hercules strenght in that ish was so slow like the Hulk/Hercules one shot for example, why would she be surprised at all by winning against him.

Another point i thought and considered about this. She actually shows more impressed being stronger than Hercules than being more than twice as strong as the Thing. (never less than class 85 to say the worst, and she lifted his max weight with one hand).

So yeah she probably is at immortal Hercules level after all.

The issues that bug me are the writter saying than even with - that - she wasent stronger than Hulk (wich doesnt make sense. He wrote Herc pretty close to immortal levels and that makes him in Hulks range of strenght) She should also be stronger.

About the Herc issue. Its a mess. Everyone says hes mortal but some wrote him as weak and others close to what he once was.

"Stop trying to get Namor accepted as a high class 100. He's not.

He is. Thats the class you can only give to a guy that wins against the Hulk and fights Hercules toe to toe. More than once. Do you consider him weaker than Wonder Man?

Your argument can be tho, is he a low, or high one?

khell when was is it confirmed? i love shulkie so I prolly missed it

Originally posted by olympian
"I didnt put She hulk in the high class 100 category because according to hercules fans he was mortal when she did so although i did query this confusing hercules situation and got nothing credible back so i think its all rubbish anyway. "

Until Marvel comes up with a standart point its always going to be. He was mortal yes. However late showings of him as mortal (that she hulk ish, Jurgens Thor in the first 15 issues, Avengers 12, and JlA/Avengers,) makes him close to the levels he was as immortal.

She Hulk winning does have some merit. If Mortal Hercules strenght in that ish was so slow like the Hulk/Hercules one shot for example, why would she be surprised at all by winning against him.

Another point i thought and considered about this. She actually shows more impressed being stronger than Hercules than being more than twice as strong as the Thing. (never less than class 85 to say the worst, and she lifted his max weight with one hand).

He isnt a high class 100 and thats not debatable. He is in the most recent hbooks given a 6 rating compared to high class 100 beings who are given a 7. No matter how messed up Marvels system is, with people lifting weights their class suggests they shouldnt be able to, you know that if someone is put in a higher class than another then theyre obviously stronger according to Marvel. Simple as that.

So yeah she probably is at immortal Hercules level after all.

The issues that bug me are the writter saying than even with - that - she wasent stronger than Hulk (wich doesnt make sense. He wrote Herc pretty close to immortal levels and that makes him in Hulks range of strenght) She should also be stronger.

About the Herc issue. Its a mess. Everyone says hes mortal but some wrote him as weak and others close to what he once was.

"Stop trying to get Namor accepted as a high class 100. He's not.

He is. Thats the class you can only give to a guy that wins against the Hulk and fights Hercules toe to toe. More than once. Do you consider him weaker than Wonder Man?

Your argument can be tho, is he a low, or high one?

Namor is not high class 100 that is not debatable. Marvels system is messed up with characters lifting way in excess of what their class suggests they should be able to. However what you do know is that if someone is put in a lower class than someone else then according to Marvel they are not as strong or the same level. Namor is class 6, high class 100's are level 7's. He's strong enough to engage high class 100's hand to hand , however in terms of raw strength he's not on their level

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Does lifting 150,000 tons give you high class rating?
Not if it's the excption to a character's low CL100 rule. I would definitely put Namor, when wet or in water, at mid to high CL 100. Here's how I see the strength levels of the characters mentioned here:

Thor >= She-hulk = Hercules(immortal) > Namor > Wonderman > Thing

Originally posted by stormfront13
khell when was is it confirmed? i love shulkie so I prolly missed it
Sorry, Storm, I didn't mean MArvel has come out and stated she's high level CL100, I just emant that when you look at the feats, it really confirms the idea.

Originally posted by olympian
She Hulk winning does have some merit. If Mortal Hercules strenght in that ish was so slow like the Hulk/Hercules one shot for example, why would she be surprised at all by winning against him.
Yeah, and keep in mind, she was wearing her power dampening suit when she was lifting thing's maximum and I think when she was arm wrestling Herc. So, that's even more impressive.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor is not high class 100 that is not debatable. Marvels system is messed up with characters lifting way in excess of what their class suggests they should be able to. However what you do know is that if someone is put in a lower class than someone else then according to Marvel they are not as strong or the same level. Namor is class 6, high class 100's are level 7's. He's strong enough to engage high class 100's hand to hand , however in terms of raw strength he's not on their level

Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?

Marvel can be wrong...Beasts bio says that he can lift 2 tons...still he is rated as 4 which means 25 to 45 tons. All I am saying that the books arent written by a guy named "Marvel". They aren't even written by comic creators. Just some guy did research, wroted them, and perhaps made mistake there and there. The handbooks can be wrong.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?

Dc understand this. Ive already said this but because you're a big Namor fan you really want him to be high class which is understandable. The marvel system is messed up. Characters lift more than thire class suggests they should be able to. Namor as a class 100 can lift some heavy things and he has some good feats. However he is not a high class 100. In terms of strength and raw power he is not on the level of Hulk and Thanos and so on. Despite how messed up the system is, when someone is listed as class 6(low class 100) and someone as class 7(high) you know how those characters compare in the hierarchy in terms of strength. Its as simple as that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?

Marvel can be wrong...Beasts bio says that he can lift 2 tons...still he is rated as 4 which means 25 to 45 tons. All I am saying that the books arent written by a guy named "Marvel". They aren't even written by comic creators. Just some guy did research, wroted them, and perhaps made mistake there and there. The handbooks can be wrong.

Incorrect. I dont know what handbook you were reading but level 4 encompasses the range 800lbs to 25 tons. Beast being able to lift 2 tons fits in that class just fine.

This is the last effort of a pathetic fanboy to put is hero on par with major powerhouses.

Originally posted by Khellendros

Thor >= She-hulk = Hercules(immortal) > Namor > Wonderman > Thing


Dude thats way off. It should be more like this:

Immortal Hercules > Thor > Wonder Man = Namor >>> She-Hulk > Thing = Mortal Hercules

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect. I dont know what handbook you were reading but level 4 encompasses the range 800lbs to 25 tons. Beast being able to lift 2 tons fits in that class just fine.
Beast is classified as a 5 in the book, yet it says 2 tons. Weird.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dc understand this. Ive already said this but because you're a big Namor fan you really want him to be high class which is understandable. The marvel system is messed up. Characters lift more than thire class suggests they should be able to. Namor as a class 100 can lift some heavy things and he has some good feats. However he is not a high class 100. In terms of strength and raw power he is not on the level of Hulk and Thanos and so on. Despite how messed up the system is, when someone is listed as class 6(low class 100) and someone as class 7(high) you know how those characters compare in the hierarchy in terms of strength. Its as simple as that.

Ill say it again and again. I reckon that Namor is stronger than the Abomination, and the Abomination is listed as a Level 7. Even Sentinnels are listed as Level 7 and Namor is far stronger than them. The Level system is not always right.

where do you get the idea that namor is far stronger than a sentinnel or even as strong. he is very powerful but he isnt even in the same solar system as the abomination.
and I have always thought of the thing as kinda weak no way is he in the level 7 group

Technically, you would have to have immeasurable levels of strength to be a called a high class 100 character. 150.000 tons does not qualify as high.

Ofcourse, this isn't the standard go by, I know. Just saying.

It would make sense that The things strength is growing. DOn't they get thier powers from cosmic radiation? It would seem that thier prolongued exposure would make them more powerful over time.

I like Ben but Thor has lifted the midgard serpant and pushed the world engine. I cant see Ben doing that.

Originally posted by jnt29904
where do you get the idea that namor is far stronger than a sentinnel or even as strong. he is very powerful but he isnt even in the same solar system as the abomination.
and I have always thought of the thing as kinda weak no way is he in the level 7 group

Ummm he is is the same Solar system as Abomination .... ummm weird post !

Honestly, im going to say that Ben is definitly not stronger than Thor

Franklin is Ben's biggest fan, so maybe he made it so that Ben was stronger than Thor for a minute or somthing and then switched it back

Originally posted by K3VIL
This is the last effort of a pathetic fanboy to put is hero on par with major powerhouses.

*Smacks*

Quiet you!

Obviously its not true, but that dosent mean that Ben isnt a major powerhouse himself

Bens ok strengthwise, but I'm surprised he has never really had a major power upgrade due to him hanging around with Reed and all.

"Ummm he is is the same Solar system as Abomination .... ummm weird post !"


You misunderstood me. I was talking in terms of power/strength, Not Location.

Originally posted by Maestro
Bens ok strengthwise, but I'm surprised he has never really had a major power upgrade due to him hanging around with Reed and all.

Eh, thats kind of what makes him an awesome character.

He is usually an underdog.

That and he gets an upgrade everytime he gets hit by some sort of cosmic radiation, which happens like every 30 issues

The Thing SHOULD be in the high class 100 because he is one of Marvels original strong men and he was written to be close to Hulks strength but when the Hulk gets angrier he eventually beats the Thing. That is just like the Abomination. What it is, and I hope that even Thing haters agree with me, is that Ben Grimm is just written poorly. The writers want to show the Things toughness and never give up attitude, but they have to show him getting owned by jobbers in order to do that. The Fantastic Four have not had a good writer in a long while that is why their comic went from being one of the best when I was young to being weak now. Also The Thing was always the Hulks size when I was younger and now The Hulk as well as Abomination are really big but some artist keep the Thing at 6 ft which looks silly and takes away any intimidating factor. The Thing should be at least close to the Hulks size.

I dont care what handbooks say, I think of the Thing as class 100 and Level 7

Thing has haters? That's sad.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thing has haters? That's sad. Don't hate him. He's overrated by some though. This thread is case in point.

Characters who are overrated are often claimed to be hated by those who don't put them at the same level as the most avid fans do.
Thing, Wolverine, Captain America and Storm being just a few examples.

i would believ that things potential is exactly class 100

thing without putting much effort =85tons
thing +mazimum effort=100tons

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Don't hate him. He's overrated by some though. This thread is case in point.

Characters who are overrated are often claimed to be hated by those who don't put them at the same level as the most avid fans do.
Thing, Wolverine, Captain America and Storm being just a few examples.

When has Ben been overrated

(Besides myself a few times when I was new on the forums )

Originally posted by kenobi
The Thing SHOULD be in the high class 100 because he is one of Marvels original strong men and he was written to be close to Hulks strength but when the Hulk gets angrier he eventually beats the Thing. That is just like the Abomination. What it is, and I hope that even Thing haters agree with me, is that Ben Grimm is just written poorly. The writers want to show the Things toughness and never give up attitude, but they have to show him getting owned by jobbers in order to do that. The Fantastic Four have not had a good writer in a long while that is why their comic went from being one of the best when I was young to being weak now. Also The Thing was always the Hulks size when I was younger and now The Hulk as well as Abomination are really big but some artist keep the Thing at 6 ft which looks silly and takes away any intimidating factor. The Thing should be at least close to the Hulks size.

Read Waid and Weiringo's run on the FF

Some of the best comics you'll see.