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Could this be? This sentence came right out of wikipedia. "Ra's appears to killed at the end , but the certainty of his demise, or his access to a Lazarus Pit, is yet to be determined." Which means he MITE be in the sequel? If you think im insane and out of my mind please say "aye"

wikipedia is not really a source to get things from though

why not? because anyone can edit it? yeah but there are ppl who work on Wikipedia who edit things and correct inaccurate posts

catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.

but who says, DT, that they checked that or that they bother looking after it to see if it's right?
better wait a bit till things shape up more clearly

I don't think we'll see Ra's in a sequel, but there's a shot. Not a huge one, but still a shot. I think if anyone returns, Falcone and Crane will before Ra's.

Originally posted by yerssot
but who says, DT, that they checked that or that they bother looking after it to see if it's right?
better wait a bit till things shape up more clearly


im just saying it MITE happen

Like... dust mites? Or MIGHT happen?

Anyway, I doubt it. I'm assuming they'll stick to more publicly known characters after this. He was a good person to start with because all the focus was on Batman's story and its best not to have a big name bad guy as a distraction to that part of the story. Now that Batman's story is told, they can bring in more known bad guys and the focus can be on them.

Originally posted by Dark Thor
im just saying it MITE happen
of course but I mean that if wiki is the only source, it's up till now nothing but a fan dream, no?

I just hope that they'll focus on The Joker in ithe next one

Wiki was only stating a fact. Ra's MAY return.

There is always that possibility. Wikipedia was merely stating the obvious, anyone could have said the same.

He may return, yes, but unlikely considerring the strongest rumours concern Two-Face and The Joker.

after the ending of batman begins i don't know how the joker, how can the joker NOT be the villian.......i'm hoping to see harvey, but not two-face, well maybe to setup the next flick, but thats it

yeah they could go a scene like this in Batman 2

Batman: what's with you and that damn coin Harvey.

Harvey: I just love to flip it...it's a habit.

starwars Ra's is semi immortal and when batman thinks he has got rid of him he always comes back. And anyone who thinks he is dead is an fool.
Do you guys think nolan will give batman his side kick robin and who could play the boy wonder.

I thinking about half way through the 3rd one they'd introduce Dick Grayson...have his folks get killed..Bruce adopt him...he train and at the can start a new trilogy with Batman and Robin. villians such as Clayface and Mr. Freeze and Bane could be used...villians who would likely need teamwork...to be taken down...maybe by the end of the 3rd Batman and Robin Begins movies have Grayson become Nightwing and make his own movies.

There are three deads in comics. Dead, Dead Dead, and Dead Dead Dead. Ra's is Dead, but according to the novel, there was no body found in the train wreck.

Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
There are three deads in comics. Dead, Dead Dead, and Dead Dead Dead. Ra's is Dead, but according to the novel, there was no body found in the train wreck.

Ra is never dead...for long.

ok he may not come back but might in the third movie! IS Scarecrow returning? Or did he get locked up in Arkham Asylum?

any one who thinks ras is dead is a fool. any superbeing in the bat universe could survive a train crash. and i think begins sucked. i dont think the sequel will have ras or scarecrow, just because they survived doesnt mean theyre coming back. they will use fresh villains, its always worked that way. they might bring the joker, but i doubt, no i KNOW it wont be a joker as good as nicholson in "Batman". i would also like to see a Nightwing movie starring Chris O'Donnel.

let them just start with the Joker, they could use a little Dick but I'm not sure how many non-comic book readers would understand that

I can see Scarecrow coming back and teaming up with The Joker to terrorize Gotham.

nah, let him return in a third or fourth movie. They could really focus on the story of the Joker now

Originally posted by Myth
Like... dust mites? Or MIGHT happen?

Anyway, I doubt it. I'm assuming they'll stick to more publicly known characters after this. He was a good person to start with because all the focus was on Batman's story and its best not to have a big name bad guy as a distraction to that part of the story. Now that Batman's story is told, they can bring in more known bad guys and the focus can be on them.

That was the major downfall of the original Batman films. Batman-Batman and Robin focused to much on the villians despite Batman being the title character, the films should always focus on Batman because he is the MAIN character, not his villians. So if a villian can be depicted correctly as well as his conflict with Batman, while Batman deals with his own inner conflicts and the plot is good, then thats all that matters.

That was not the downfall of Batman and Robin. If there is depth to the story of the villain, it will be great. Batman and Robin had no real feeling to it. Just neon colors and Arnie running around trying to say bad jokes about being frozen.

I think it'd be really nice to see Liam as Ra's again, but I would begrudgingly also say that he served his purpose and now it's time to move on to other characters. It's best to leave him at that high point where the audience found him very interesting and wanted more of him. Perhaps he could be referenced in the future movies by some lines, maybe by Bruce or Alfred, to keep the memory and continuity of his character going. Same could go for the Scarecrow, where he's not seen again but referenced by line.

I think we will see Ra'l Al again because you still have his darter to tell in the story. But I don't think the sequel because the Joker and Ra's can't play second and we all know the Joker is the main villain in Batman comic.

starwars That would be cool they have both teamed up before.

Originally posted by kanis
starwars That would be cool they have both teamed up before.

Ra and Joker vs Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson version please)

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.
Why are you even mentioning the past Batman movies? Don't you know that they are starting over again with a clean slate?

geez some people are complete morons.

Plus, why did it suck? can you explain what you didn't like? Instead of ranting like a complete idiot...

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
Why are you even mentioning the past Batman movies? Don't you know that they are starting over again with a clean slate?

geez some people are complete morons.

Plus, why did it suck? can you explain what you didn't like? Instead of ranting like a complete idiot...

"we need to learn to control our emotions" meditate

the only thing I didn't like about BB was how the fight scenes were up close...but that's not a huge big deal....I really enjoyed it..it was better than any of the other bat flicks and yes Batman Begins is in the Beginning the stuff from the other 4 movies doesn't count.

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
Why are you even mentioning the past Batman movies? Don't you know that they are starting over again with a clean slate?



I believe he was just making a point that just because they survive, doesn't mean that they will be back.

Originally posted by Myth
I believe he was just making a point that just because they survive, doesn't mean that they will be back.

But my whole point was that refering to the previous Batman movies is irrelavant considering Batman Begins is a totally different franchise than the previous Batman movies.

You might as well compare Spider-man villains then.

This is a whole new Batman franchise.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.

Also this is a rediculous post...you were expecting the Batman & Robin Villains (freeze, Ivy) to appear in Batman Begins because they survived?!??!

Dumbest post I read on this board so far.

Well of course he could reappear, and most certainly he's not dead (Ra's<can't die cry) ...anyways I think he doesn't need to appear....Joker needs a lot of air time....

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
But my whole point was that refering to the previous Batman movies is irrelavant considering Batman Begins is a totally different franchise than the previous Batman movies.

You might as well compare Spider-man villains then.

This is a whole new Batman franchise.

It doesn't matter whether it is a new franchise or not. It doesn't even have to be a comic book movie. He's just using it as an example to show that just because a bad guy lives (in any movie), does not mean that he will be back. Its possible, but doesn't mean he'll be back.

Originally posted by Myth
It doesn't matter whether it is a new franchise or not. It doesn't even have to be a comic book movie. He's just using it as an example to show that just because a bad guy lives (in any movie), does not mean that he will be back. Its possible, but doesn't mean he'll be back.

I find it ridiculous that he was refering to Mr. Freeze and Ivy and mentioned that they didn't return in Batman Begins.

Was he actually expecting them to return in Begins since it was the following movie?!!

guess what..Batman & Robin flopped. So no Ivy and Freeze yet. This is why they didn't appear in Begins.

Hell, is't only been one movie so far! Way too soon to do Mr. Freeze.

So no Mr. Freeze in Batman Begins. The series went in a dumb direction anyways after Returns and that's also why Catwoman didn't appear.

Joel is a complete moron.

So his references to the first movies are irrelavant.

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
I find it ridiculous that he was refering to Mr. Freeze and Ivy and mentioned that they didn't return in Batman Begins.



That part is pretty ridiculous.

As for being too early? I don't think the reason for them not being in Begins sequel is because it is too early. I think it is because they are lesser characters in the Batman world than other bad guys. Joker and Two Face DESERVE to be in the next movies and Freeze and Ivy don't.

I think you guys just misread him, I took it not as that they didn't return in Batman Begins, but that they didn't return in ANYTHING. Like, for instance, as he said, Catwoman survived Returns, but we never saw her in Forever or & Robin. Selina never showed up again. The only characters that have reappeared in Batman films are Batman, Robin, Alfred, Gordon, and Dent, to an extent. Its like the Spider-Man films. We never saw the announcer from the first one show up in the 2nd film. Granted he's not a lead character, but you get what I'm saying? I think he was just saying that it isn't like comic book films to have a returning villain, not necessarily that he thinks that anybody should've returned in Batman Begins.

IE

Batman Begins started a new series, so don't tie it into the other ones:
Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow
. Sequel will not feature either of those 2, but someone new. And those 2 won't return in Batman 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or anything like that

Batman Returns
Penguin and Catwoman
.Sequels "Batman Forever" and "Batman & Robin" did not feature either of those 2, but someone new.

Batman Forever
Riddler and Two-Face
.Sequel "Batman & Robin" did not feature either of those 2, but someone new.


Get what I mean?

As for whether or not I'd WANT them to return...I'd want Scarecrow to make a cameo, getting sent to Arkham, but that's it, not to be a major villain or anything.

Now, of course, that doesn't mean that we won't see Riddler, Two-Face, Catwoman, whatever...because, as mentioned above, they're not the same series, so there's no ties. In "Batman movie history" they will have been in more than one film, but they won't be the same series, so it doesn't count. We may see all of them return again, and I hope that's true, but they aren't gonna be Arnold's Freeze, or Carrey's Riddler, or anything like that.

The point is, however, that there's more of a chance that Scarecrow and Ra's won't return in a sequel, than that they will.

Say the sequel to Batman Begins includes The Joker. In that case, chances are, Batman Begins' 3rd film, most likely won't include The Joker. Hey, it might, but the way comic book films are and such, there's a very, very, very good chance they won't return.

Unless of course that they're the main villain, example, Kingpin in Daredevil, or Magneto in X-Men. They're basically characters that have to return, as most likely would Dr. Doom be in the F4 sequel.

But Batman doesn't have a nemesis that's ALWAYS the man in the lead, know what I'm saying? Joker is his arch-rival, but not his "ultimate nemesis that's always behind the scenes" type of guy.

I don't think Ra's Al Ghul should return in BATMAN BEGINS because of the fact that you need to make room for other villains. SCARECROW needs to come back and play a bigger role along with JOKER. Then squeeze CATWOMAN, CLAYFACE, PENGUIN, TWO FACE, and THE RIDDLER in somewhere and they've got themselves a triology.

That would just become ridiculous.

dudududududududuududududududududududududuudududu BATMAN!

starwars I think they should be a catwoman in it not a one with supernatural powers catwoman is just a really good thief besided the chemistry between the bat and the cat is so thick you can cut it with a knife. I think that some of the bat's villains should return but not all of them only the ones batman continously came up against like the joker for example.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAA. BATMAN BEGINS SUCKED!? I pity you. You say it sucked and you have a power rangers picture as your avatar! This is the best Batman movie ever. Period. It's not a matter of opinion either. It's simply the truth.

Originally posted by dyrtyrice
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAA. BATMAN BEGINS SUCKED!? I pity you.

It DID suck. Get over it.

Back on topic, I doubt Ra's Al Ghul will be seen again any time soon. They'll be bringing in other villains, I'm sure. A large majority seem to favor the Joker. Personally I think it'll be a villain we haven't seen on film yet, such as Clayface, Killer Croc or Hugo Strange.

HAHAHAHAHA! Clayface? Killer Croc? DR f**king STRANGE!? HA HA HAAAAAAAAAA!!! You honestly think any MINORS like that could make a film! Look, these guys arent big threats. They're 1 or 2 part comics, not major catastrophes! I'd rather see Scarface than Strange! NONE CARES ABOUT STRANGE MUCH! I reckon Joker, Two Face, Cobblepot and Scarecrow are the main bad guys coming up... but scarecrow a less major. I think Sal Maroni.... maybe. Maybe Ra's, but not likely. Talia would be cool, she's possible. Selina, not likely since Halle Berry's crap! Black Mask is unlikely but an outside chance, I hear... most others and anyone that Nolan cant pull off as realistic can say bye bye to their hopes!

I think with this new series that some of the minor villians could get cameos like Zsasz did. But as Knightfall said, probably only the ones Nolan feels he could pull off as being realistic. Like Firefly being a professional arsonist working for some mob guy in the background or something. I also believe that Scarecrow will be back for some closure. Nolan's commited unlike Burton and Schumacher.

Thankyou, atharpina! Well said! Firefly would rock...