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That'd be cool, right?

It would've been a lot more realistic, and better.

I would have loved to seen Tim Burton direct Two-Face.

He would have made him dark instead of a moron like Joel portrayed him.

The Riddler would've been more of The Riddler too, he wouldn't have been The Joker + 5 or 6 easy questions.

Good point, NoFate007. Joel Schumacher made all of his villains wannabe JOKERS. Tommy Lee Jones was a great actor for Two Face and was wasted in FOREVER along with the usually calm and cunning THE RIDDLER who reminded me of a reincarnated Ace Ventura. BATMAN & ROBIN wasted Poison Ivy as a bad actor. BANE was disrespected the most out of any villian with a bad plot with a bad brainless character and bad acting from old and retarded wrestlers who have heart attacks almost as tragic as the movies they made the same year. I liked Mr.Freeze. My mom hasn't seen BATMAN & ROBIN since we saw it in theaters with my little brothers in 1997 and she still remembers the part where Mr.Freeze watches his frozen wife. This effect is ruined since the button that opens the room is behind a TV Dinner. But still. It would've been awesome if Tim Burton directed BATMAN FOREVER and there was no ROBIN.

Michael Keaton would have also been in Batman Forever if Burton did it, becuase the film wouldn't have been to light for his tastes, i think this would have helped with continuity and empathy with Bruce/Batman. ARGH, It could have been really good

Actually it would have sucked even worse than it did suck if he directed it.That idiot Burton would have had batman getting the crap beat out of him by Two Faces goons making him a wuss like he did in the first batman film and if he could not have cast keaton who was the worst casting choice in comicbook history,he would have gone and cast someone else like keaton who also was physically wrong for the role of bruce wayne.Thank god schumacher came along because batman forever of the four films made before begins was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the four even though it sucked as well.

You are kidding right...I mean sure thing you can hate the first two movies all you like but "keaton who was the worst casting choice in comicbook history" is just a plain stupid thing to say.....everyone that has seen Batman and Robin can name roughly four more that were worse than Keaton......

Mr. Parker, do you ever shut up? It's always the same arguement with you. And even though it has been a pleasure to debate with you and your Spider-Man movie hating friend, now it is getting stupid. No one likes Forever except a few, and nobody will take you seriously on this forum if you say, "Keaton was the worst casting choice in comic movie history." because quiet frankly, it's not true at all.

Originally posted by peejay88
Michael Keaton would have also been in Batman Forever if Burton did it, becuase the film wouldn't have been to light for his tastes, i think this would have helped with continuity and empathy with Bruce/Batman. ARGH, It could have been really good

Michael Keaton was a wack batman . Thank god for val kilmor !

And why is everyone dicen Batman 3 and 4 both movies were mostly made for kids and I bet whoever saw it at a young age liked it and if tim berton were to do it he would of forgot about robin again , and like batman but i rather see both batman and robin together Like the oldschool episodes in the 70's!

Well said Pimp. A lot of people like batdude just cant comprehend it though that Keaton was a wack and Kilmer was a much better choice for the role.They just dont get it that if an actor doesnt even come close to fitting the role which keaton did not,they bring no crediblity to the part.Yeah thank god for Schumacher,if Burton had done forever,we would never have had Robin who is an important part of the history of Batman.Thats like Abbot and costello without costello or The Lone Ranger without Tonto.Not saying that Robin has to be in every Batman movie,but he should at least eventually come on in a sequel and had burton directed forever,we never would have had Robin in a sequel and like I said,Burton would have had batman be a wuss and get the crap beat out of him by those goons of two faces and we never would have seen his martial arts skills he possesses like he demonstrated in forever and Burton would have cast an actor who would have again been short,half bald,and out of shape.so thank god for shumacher in the fact that forever was much more loyal to the comicbook than burtons were and not near as bad a film as burtons batman movies were.Batman and Robin however is a different story though.THAT film WAS as bad as Burtons batman movies were.Clooney was as bad a choice for that role as keaton was as well.

Originally posted by sevenman
Good point, NoFate007. Joel Schumacher made all of his villains wannabe JOKERS. Tommy Lee Jones was a great actor for Two Face and was wasted in FOREVER along with the usually calm and cunning THE RIDDLER who reminded me of a reincarnated Ace Ventura. BATMAN & ROBIN wasted Poison Ivy as a bad actor. BANE was disrespected the most out of any villian with a bad plot with a bad brainless character and bad acting from old and retarded wrestlers who have heart attacks almost as tragic as the movies they made the same year. I liked Mr.Freeze. My mom hasn't seen BATMAN & ROBIN since we saw it in theaters with my little brothers in 1997 and she still remembers the part where Mr.Freeze watches his frozen wife. This effect is ruined since the button that opens the room is behind a TV Dinner. But still. It would've been awesome if Tim Burton directed BATMAN FOREVER and there was no ROBIN.

The movie would have sucked far worse with Burton directing it and no Robin. Well I take that back,Chris O'donnel was just as horrible a choice for Robin as Keaton was for batman in the fact like Keaton,he did not fit the role either since he was wayyy too old for the part and a horrible actor as well.anybody would have been a better robin than o'donnel was so a batman movie without o'donnel as robin is better than a batman movie WITH o'donnel as robin anyday of the year.
btw,while you are talking about a bad brainless character with bad acting,dont forget to mention Danny Devito as well,he clearly belongs in that group.His acting which is normally great in all his other movies,was just horrible in this movie.Hopefully Nolan will make a sequel with Penguin in it and do Penguins character justice.

As usual, i agree with Parker.

I think that Burton would have taken Two Face and made him more zany, which would have taken him further from his roots of tragedy.

Let's face it. Tim Burton is a half-baked Stanley Kubrick, anyways, minus any shred of subtelty.

Kubrick's Two-face would have been correct. Kubrick's movie, however, would be four hours long, include a rape scene, and be completely incomprehensible.

See I think Burton rooted his characters to the ground for the most part. Selina Kyle was a great, great portrayal of the character. Penguin was different, but I think it was done really innovative and good. Not the "its new so its good" stuff, I think it actually worked. His jokes are always lame in his movies, but I think if he were to do the film, he'd have Two-Face be the Catwoman - very realistic, and Riddler be the Penguin, where its just a tad over the top in some aspects. Plus, O'Donnell wouldn't have been casted, I'm pretty positive on that one. He was a horrible Robin, which disgraced the character almost as bad as that 60s tv show which gave him the reputation of being homosexual.

It was the 60's what do you accpect!

Burton would have given everyone a great movie, but sadly, dumb ass Schumacher came and killed Batman. The weapons of use, neon, butt shots, nipples, and Joker wanna be villians.(even Mr. Freeze was acting this way in B&R!) Why do you like Forever, it wasn't close to the comics at all! Two-Face kept flipping his coin to get the answer HE wanted! Two-Face doesn't do that! And Riddler wasn't Riddler at all! Same goes for Two-Face. And Kilmer couldn't act his way out of a paper bag! He sucked! And don't get me started on O' Donnell. At LEAST Alfred's character was quite decent. And Commishiner Gordan was ok.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Burton would have given everyone a great movie, but sadly, dumb ass Schumacher came and killed Batman. The weapons of use, neon, butt shots, nipples, and Joker wanna be villians.(even Mr. Freeze was acting this way in B&R!) Why do you like Forever, it wasn't close to the comics at all! Two-Face kept flipping his coin to get the answer HE wanted! Two-Face doesn't do that! And Riddler wasn't Riddler at all! Same goes for Two-Face. And Kilmer couldn't act his way out of a paper bag! He sucked! And don't get me started on O' Donnell. At LEAST Alfred's character was quite decent. And Commishiner Gordan was ok.


Batman forever is true to the original comics and all that neon sh*t you don't like i love only Schumacher didn't want to make his ghetto's to look like all the rest he wanted to make Gotham city a sico frenzy plus I know every body want a dark and serious batman even i do sometimes but not all the damn time I liked the humor in batman and robin especially when batman took out his visa card in one of the parts,and yo val kilmer can act and he looks better as a batman unlike that short half bald guy from the first two and as for the butt shots just ignore them. You got's to be crazy if you think the riddler was wack that was the best riddler i've seen so far.As for two-face he wasn't the meanbad-guy he was a sicotick man that could be laughing and getting drunk as hell then if you said something he didnt like your a$$ is shot and thats why i liked him!

dude batman forever is not true to the comics..you must be out of your mind....

I don't really give a shit if it was or wasn't straight up i liked both scumachers movies actually you know what I even liked batman and robin more than batman begins, my little cousin fell asleep through BB and he's a batman fanatic If you don't like it to bad and who knows i probably am out of my mind. What Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you liked batman and robin !

Yep got a problem with that biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Ive been reeding all the other threads about people saying they dont like this they dont like that batman had nipples they showed his a$$ please stop whining If you dont like BF or B&R dont watch it fools it's just a movie nobody's forcing you to watch it, I loved batman forever and i liked B&R and i still like watching both because i dont give a shit about the plot or Corney things i just like watching batman and robin instead of just batman and it also reminds me of back in the day when i was younger. and anybody that dont like it can kiss my Latin ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gun_bandana

Keaton looked like a little bich!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
dude batman forever is not true to the comics..you must be out of your mind....

Its not word for word true to the comics but it was much more loyal to the comicbook than Burtons Batman movies.After all,Batman isnt a half bald short wuss who cant even beat up one goon.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I don't really give a shit if it was or wasn't straight up i liked both scumachers movies actually you know what I even liked batman and robin more than batman begins, my little cousin fell asleep through BB and he's a batman fanatic If you don't like it to bad and who knows i probably am out of my mind. What Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude I am glad that you agree with me that keaton was a horrible Batman because of how miscast he was in that role but your not helping me hear though credibility wise saying you liked batman and robin better than Batman Begins.stick with saying you liked batman forever better than Batman Begins because even though I still would not agree with you on that note,you would at least bring more credibility to your points since forever was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the burton and schumacher batman movies.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Dude I am glad that you agree with me that keaton was a horrible Batman because of how miscast he was in that role but your not helping me hear though credibility wise saying you liked batman and robin better than Batman Begins.stick with saying you liked batman forever better than Batman Begins because even though I still would not agree with you on that note,you would at least bring more credibility to your points since forever was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the burton and schumacher batman movies.

Dragging out the ol facts again eh?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Dude I am glad that you agree with me that Keaton was a horrible Batman because of how miscast he was in that role but your not helping me hear though credibility wise saying you liked batman and robin better than Batman Begins.stick with saying you liked batman forever better than Batman Begins because even though I still would not agree with you on that note,you would at least bring more credibility to your points since forever was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the burton and schumacher batman movies.

I got you kid ,but you got to understand that when i was little i loved them two movies and whenever I watch them it reminds me of when i was younger that is really the reason i like B&R.
What i can't stand is somebody saying Keaton was the best batman like i said before he looked like a little bi*ch in the costume and didn't even look like he knew how to fight!!!

HA.....as if Clooney knew how to fight......

By the way whenever someone says "I liked Batman and Robin" I only hear "I hate Batman" .....

Yea i forgot about clooney he sucked too. I don't hate batman either the movie just remineds me of the good old days.

Originally posted by Bardock42

By the way whenever someone says "I liked Batman and Robin" I only hear "I hate Batman" .....

Originally posted by lil pimp
I got you kid ,but you got to understand that when i was little i loved them two movies and whenever I watch them it reminds me of when i was younger that is really the reason i like B&R.
What i can't stand is somebody saying Keaton was the best batman like i said before he looked like a little bi*ch in the costume and didn't even look like he knew how to fight!!!

oh okay I see where your coming from.yeah batman 89 is a joke the way burton made him into such a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by one guy.that was a joke.Batman Begins showed his true character how he is capable of beating up dozens of people at one time.the real batman would have been able to beat that guy easily blindfolded.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh okay I see where your coming from.yeah batman 89 is a joke the way burton made him into such a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by one guy.that was a joke.Batman Begins showed his true character how he is capable of beating up dozens of people at one time.the real batman would have been able to beat that guy easily blindfolded.


yeah the real Batman is more than just a man....

























....he's a legend.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Its not word for word true to the comics but it was much more loyal to the comicbook than Burtons Batman movies.After all,Batman isnt a half bald short wuss who cant even beat up one goon.

depends on what comic book you're reading...the campy 60's version that gave batman and robin an "ambiguous" name in the frist place or MILLER'S stories that were n print at the time...given the books that were circulating at the time burton's is far more accurate than the ladder two.

batman also isn't supposed to look like he's hindu/mexican/whatever else clooney looks like.

keaton had the perfect scowl for batman when his mask was on...he just made a horrible bruce wayne....val kilmer was the exact opposite...he played a great bruce wayne pretty-playboy, but he lacked any of the dark elements that make up who batman is and looked horrible with the cowl on..clooney looked horribly out of place either way....and bale is perfect for both batman and bruce wayne (has the darkside thingdown), on top of that he even talks in a low growl as was described in the comics....AWESOME.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Its not word for word true to the comics but it was much more loyal to the comicbook than Burtons Batman movies.After all,Batman isnt a half bald short wuss who cant even beat up one goon.

that is just dumb...

he had crashed his plane, his bloody plane... fit or not its a wonder he walked away from it...

Originally posted by pr1983
that is just dumb...

he had crashed his plane, his bloody plane... fit or not its a wonder he walked away from it...

whao..I forgot about that...good call...

Originally posted by jinzin
depends on what comic book you're reading...the campy 60's version that gave batman and robin an "ambiguous" name in the frist place or MILLER'S stories that were n print at the time...given the books that were circulating at the time burton's is far more accurate than the ladder two.

batman also isn't supposed to look like he's hindu/mexican/whatever else clooney looks like.

keaton had the perfect scowl for batman when his mask was on...he just made a horrible bruce wayne....val kilmer was the exact opposite...he played a great bruce wayne pretty-playboy, but he lacked any of the dark elements that make up who batman is and looked horrible with the cowl on..clooney looked horribly out of place either way....and bale is perfect for both batman and bruce wayne (has the darkside thingdown), on top of that he even talks in a low growl as was described in the comics....AWESOME.


I can undestand you not likeing the 60's version but you got to respect it, it was the first ,and that was really how batman is supposed to be, all the dark stuff in batman is new he really is supposed to be just little bit meaner then superman. Also keaton looked retarted with the cowl on, it looked like he had no chin !

Originally posted by jinzin
whao..I forgot about that...good call...

Im just saying... who can walk away from that? not many humans...

Originally posted by lil pimp
I can undestand you not likeing the 60's version but you got to respect it, it was the first ,and that was really how batman is supposed to be, all the dark stuff in batman is new he really is supposed to be just little bit meaner then superman. Also keaton looked retarted with the cowl on, it looked like he had no chin !

i thought keaton looked fine in the suit...

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this just goes to show how little you know about batman at his core....

the original batman came out in the forties he had a gun and he KILLED people...he was very dark and very different from the bats you know today...the hero he was based on was even darker and almost a kind of villain...I don't have to respect the 60's version because it was and IS a travesty to what batman is and is supposed to represent.....FEAR...DARKNESS...THE BAT-freakin-MAN!...not some micheal jackson wannabe.

keaten looked great with the cowl on....clooney looked like a clown...a pretty clown..but a clwon none the less..

yeah back in the day Bats would bust'sta cap in a bad guy @ss! gun Bat Gats fo shizzle dizzle wickedph

I love that smilie mainstream.....you just won't let it go huh? hahahaha...how's it going man?

Originally posted by jinzin
I love that smilie mainstream.....you just won't let it go huh? hahahaha...how's it going man?

good I'm chillin like victor Freeze wickedph

Originally posted by jinzin
Originally posted by lil pimp
I can undestand you not likeing the 60's version but you got to respect it, it was the first ,and that was really how batman is supposed to be, all the dark stuff in batman is new he really is supposed to be just little bit meaner then superman. Also keaton looked retarted with the cowl on, it looked like he had no chin !

this just goes to show how little you know about batman at his core....

the original batman came out in the forties he had a gun and he KILLED people...he was very dark and very different from the bats you know today...the hero he was based on was even darker and almost a kind of villain...I don't have to respect the 60's version because it was and IS a travesty to what batman is and is supposed to represent.....FEAR...DARKNESS...THE BAT-freakin-MAN!...not some micheal jackson wannabe.

keaten looked great with the cowl on....clooney looked like a clown...a pretty clown..but a clwon none the less..

Sorry i didn't know, i can admit when im wrong, you won't happen to know if they still sell those comics would you?

EVERY-BODY FREEZE!


lol @ arnie...

Originally posted by lil pimp
this just goes to show how little you know about batman at his core....

the original batman came out in the forties he had a gun and he KILLED people...he was very dark and very different from the bats you know today...the hero he was based on was even darker and almost a kind of villain...I don't have to respect the 60's version because it was and IS a travesty to what batman is and is supposed to represent.....FEAR...DARKNESS...THE BAT-freakin-MAN!...not some micheal jackson wannabe.

keaten looked great with the cowl on....clooney looked like a clown...a pretty clown..but a clwon none the less..

Sorry i didn't know, i can admit when im wrong, you won't happen to know if they still sell those comics would you?

it's all good....they have some of his older stuff in book stores in the graphic novel sections...that's your best bet...unless you have thousands upon thousands of dollars to blow on the originals...

Don't they have the big DC Archives (Hardcover books) ......or is that not the beginning?

I'm not sure what' you're reffering to...it could be...usually when somethings in graphic novel form it will come out in several variations...

I think Burton would have done a fabulous job and it would have been great to have Keaton return for it...which he would have! I remember they were talking about Robin Williams as the Riddler before the studio wanted to go lighter with the film and Burton backed out..then Keaton followed.


The comics always were dark..except for the stuff in the 50's and sixties...then came the good stuff of the 70's through what we have now. The 70'2 finally brought back the darkness and adult stuff. TG! i love how adult the comics are now! That kiddie stuff just sucked.

Here's an old Bats page..how does this resemble anything for the 60's tv show?....That show was basically done as a send up like Airplane and Scary Movie...in that kind of vain. It was meant to be a joke on comics..not a serious Batman show.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I can undestand you not likeing the 60's version but you got to respect it, it was the first ,and that was really how batman is supposed to be, all the dark stuff in batman is new he really is supposed to be just little bit meaner then superman. Also keaton looked retarted with the cowl on, it looked like he had no chin !


The 60's Batman wasn't the first......there were the 40's serials that came first, where Batman used a gun and the like. The costume is kind of dorky..but hey..it was the 40's!

Damn i seen that before i must of forgot all about it!

Originally posted by lil pimp
Damn i seen that before i must of forgot all about it!

it happens.

If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap.

He didn't forget the places in his house. He was just trying to make Vicki feel more comfortable by making her laugh(though Batman doesn't have a sense of humor, he didn't go over the top like in B&R and Forever though)

Man , you are wrong. See batman returns, he forget the bat cave entry. See his conversations with viky or with seline, he looks a total goofy idiot in those scenes. I dont know, but keaton and burtond did of bruce wayne some kind of abstedminded and goofy fool, insecure with women. What is the opposite of the character.

Originally posted by jinzin
whao..I forgot about that...good call...

actually thats a laughable and poor excuse from him he always comes up with.The batman from the comics and the batman from batman begins could have easily beat that guy blindfolded.its not like he broke two legs or anything like that.this is a martail arts expert,who was hardly seriously injured from that fall,that was inexcusable on burton and the screenwriters part.

BATMAN RETURNS ROCKS!

Originally posted by peejay88
Michael Keaton would have also been in Batman Forever if Burton did it, becuase the film wouldn't have been to light for his tastes, i think this would have helped with continuity and empathy with Bruce/Batman. ARGH, It could have been really good

Yeah, man.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Actually it would have sucked even worse than it did suck if he directed it.That idiot Burton would have had batman getting the crap beat out of him by Two Faces goons making him a wuss like he did in the first batman film and if he could not have cast keaton who was the worst casting choice in comicbook history,he would have gone and cast someone else like keaton who also was physically wrong for the role of bruce wayne.Thank god schumacher came along because batman forever of the four films made before begins was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the four even though it sucked as well. Micheal Keaton would have done it if Tim Burton did it so they would not have casted another actor. Val Kilmer gave a wooden portrayal as Bruce Wayne unlike Micheal Keaton who was a very unlikely casting choice but ended up being the best Batman of all. If you have a beef with it my only conclusion is that you existed some time before the movie came out and was a big fan of the comics and was pissed off that Micheal Keaton was casted that Batman and either did not see or did not like, somehow, the dark teaser they released to covince fans of the dark kight that Batman was going to be portrayed well way back in 1988. Micheal Keaton was a good Batman. Get over it. Now Val Kilmer, in the movie you liked was a wooden sex clown in black leather that Joel Schumacher hired because he was "Younger" and looked "Sexy". I hear girls saying all the time "I LOVE BAMTAN FOREVER" and I'm like "Why" and they like "I DONT KNOW BUT I DID". I am not into bat nipples I am into a good or at least a consistant trilogy. George Clooney sucked the most out of every Batman in the world but it is not his fault.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are kidding right...I mean sure thing you can hate the first two movies all you like but "keaton who was the worst casting choice in comicbook history" is just a plain stupid thing to say.....everyone that has seen Batman and Robin can name roughly four more that were worse than Keaton...... Agreed, Bardock42. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were far worse choices. Just stick with Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. The REAL dynamic duo.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Mr. Parker, do you ever shut up? It's always the same arguement with you. And even though it has been a pleasure to debate with you and your Spider-Man movie hating friend, now it is getting stupid. No one likes Forever except a few, and nobody will take you seriously on this forum if you say, "Keaton was the worst casting choice in comic movie history." because quiet frankly, it's not true at all. I concur.

Originally posted by lil pimp
Michael Keaton was a wack batman . Thank god for val kilmor !

And why is everyone dicen Batman 3 and 4 both movies were mostly made for kids and I bet whoever saw it at a young age liked it and if tim berton were to do it he would of forgot about robin again , and like batman but i rather see both batman and robin together Like the oldschool episodes in the 70's! Then watch the Batman of the 1970's and leave it out of a trilogy-that-never-was. That is what fans feared the most but Tim Burton was their savior. Well the REAL savior was Frank Miller. But still.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Well said Pimp. A lot of people like batdude just cant comprehend it though that Keaton was a wack and Kilmer was a much better choice for the role.They just dont get it that if an actor doesnt even come close to fitting the role which keaton did not,they bring no crediblity to the part.Yeah thank god for Schumacher,if Burton had done forever,we would never have had Robin who is an important part of the history of Batman.Thats like Abbot and costello without costello or The Lone Ranger without Tonto.Not saying that Robin has to be in every Batman movie,but he should at least eventually come on in a sequel and had burton directed forever,we never would have had Robin in a sequel and like I said,Burton would have had batman be a wuss and get the crap beat out of him by those goons of two faces and we never would have seen his martial arts skills he possesses like he demonstrated in forever and Burton would have cast an actor who would have again been short,half bald,and out of shape.so thank god for shumacher in the fact that forever was much more loyal to the comicbook than burtons were and not near as bad a film as burtons batman movies were.Batman and Robin however is a different story though.THAT film WAS as bad as Burtons batman movies were.Clooney was as bad a choice for that role as keaton was as well. You can not change the actor in the trilogy or it is sloppy and the movies do not feel like they are linked together. Micheal Keaton is able to fit any role from comedy to the darkest of knights and he proved that in Batman and Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher was sent by Satan to **** everything up and he succeeded. Robin is the start of a long line of ad ons that do not really matter. The original purpose of the first Batman film was to go back to the dark roots of Batman and that is how it should have ended if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever. With no Robin just like you said. The way it should have been. If Robin is going to be with Batman he has to be there from the start and be a consistant character from there on out to the final shot in the trilogy. If he is not in the first one do not bother putting him in the second one and you should DEFINITELY not put him in the third since it is far too late by then. How do you know he would make Batman a wuss? You do not have a time machine to go back to the past and alter the events of the space time continuum to see if Tim Burton would have done a better job directing Batman Forever. Batman KILLED in the first Batman movies and he was ****ing awesome. Tim Burton would have went all out with Batman Forever if the Joel Schumacher plague did not come and wreck everything. Batman fought right out in the open dramatically in Batman Forever and people were CHEERING for him when he is supposed to be at odds with society and the police except for commissioner Gordon in some flashy fakeout hollywood neon fight as opposed to the far superior and mythological fights he would use in secret and to save a city of peoples that have fallen into total chaos in times of emergency. Micheal Keaton is not short, half bald, or out of shape. George Clooney sucks but my mommy likes him (**** you). I do not know who the **** Abbot and Costello is but The Lone Ranger had his own movie without Tonto and he did damned good, too. Batman would have too if there was no Robin, no bat bimbo, no, Joel Schumacher. Just Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. ****ing awesome.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
The movie would have sucked far worse with Burton directing it and no Robin. Well I take that back,Chris O'donnel was just as horrible a choice for Robin as Keaton was for batman in the fact like Keaton,he did not fit the role either since he was wayyy too old for the part and a horrible actor as well.anybody would have been a better robin than o'donnel was so a batman movie without o'donnel as robin is better than a batman movie WITH o'donnel as robin anyday of the year.
btw,while you are talking about a bad brainless character with bad acting,dont forget to mention Danny Devito as well,he clearly belongs in that group.His acting which is normally great in all his other movies,was just horrible in this movie.Hopefully Nolan will make a sequel with Penguin in it and do Penguins character justice. I never wanted there to be a Batman & Robin, *******. Micheal Keaton was old and experienced with alot of training just like the real Batman unlike that ****head Val Kilmer. Danny Devito was a great actor as the Penguin and very new and convincing in the movie. Nerds get mad when people **** with the Penguins character and hate the Penguins character because it ****ing sucks. Tim Burton did something different like he did with the Joker and everyone accepted it. So you're saying...you would rather have a movie with a braindead actor as opposed to be willing to sacrifice a scene for the integrity of the overall movie? Good thing Tim Burton directed the first two films and not you.

Originally posted by tpaquin
As usual, i agree with Parker.

I think that Burton would have taken Two Face and made him more zany, which would have taken him further from his roots of tragedy.

Let's face it. Tim Burton is a half-baked Stanley Kubrick, anyways, minus any shred of subtelty.

Kubrick's Two-face would have been correct. Kubrick's movie, however, would be four hours long, include a rape scene, and be completely incomprehensible. Either way you are a *****. You are bitching about either way. Tim Burton was able to focus on the tradegdy of The Penguin and he would be able to do the same for Two Face and/or Scarecrow. The Riddler seems to belong in the 1966 Batman TV show the more I think about it.

Originally posted by NoFate007
See I think Burton rooted his characters to the ground for the most part. Selina Kyle was a great, great portrayal of the character. Penguin was different, but I think it was done really innovative and good. Not the "its new so its good" stuff, I think it actually worked. His jokes are always lame in his movies, but I think if he were to do the film, he'd have Two-Face be the Catwoman - very realistic, and Riddler be the Penguin, where its just a tad over the top in some aspects. Plus, O'Donnell wouldn't have been casted, I'm pretty positive on that one. He was a horrible Robin, which disgraced the character almost as bad as that 60s tv show which gave him the reputation of being homosexual. Yo, I liked Burt Ward. He enjoyed the role just as much as Adam West. They are going to be called homosexual either way. It is the nature of man to acuse two men who spend alot of time together a gay butt ****er. That's life. I will never hear in my life "This is good and new in something old". So I am not surprised some dorks were arguing over The Penguin's new origin. It is like the Joker and Catwoman but it is still cool. None of Tim Burton's characters were over the top. They were subtle when they needed to be and dramatic at the climax. I felt so sorry for The Penguin when I saw him die for the first time when I was two, I still can recall.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Burton would have given everyone a great movie, but sadly, dumb ass Schumacher came and killed Batman. The weapons of use, neon, butt shots, nipples, and Joker wanna be villians.(even Mr. Freeze was acting this way in B&R!) Why do you like Forever, it wasn't close to the comics at all! Two-Face kept flipping his coin to get the answer HE wanted! Two-Face doesn't do that! And Riddler wasn't Riddler at all! Same goes for Two-Face. And Kilmer couldn't act his way out of a paper bag! He sucked! And don't get me started on O' Donnell. At LEAST Alfred's character was quite decent. And Commishiner Gordan was ok. THEY WAS THERE LONGER THAN THE BATMANS WAS!

Originally posted by lil pimp
Batman forever is true to the original comics and all that neon sh*t you don't like i love only Schumacher didn't want to make his ghetto's to look like all the rest he wanted to make Gotham city a sico frenzy plus I know every body want a dark and serious batman even i do sometimes but not all the damn time I liked the humor in batman and robin especially when batman took out his visa card in one of the parts,and yo val kilmer can act and he looks better as a batman unlike that short half bald guy from the first two and as for the butt shots just ignore them. You got's to be crazy if you think the riddler was wack that was the best riddler i've seen so far.As for two-face he wasn't the meanbad-guy he was a sicotick man that could be laughing and getting drunk as hell then if you said something he didnt like your a$$ is shot and thats why i liked him! Batman Forever is FAR off from the original comics and the first two are FAR closer to the original comics because they were dark. You say "He did not want to make them look like the rest". That is because movies were ripping off of the original Batman's Gotham City. It was the original not the rest. Psycho frezies do not exist in neon colors because Gotham City has something called a Police Force but there are some things they cannot handle and alot are corrupt and it is very complex but Joel Schumacher completely tossed this aside for two hours of stories nonsense as opposed to realism in a realistic enviornment like the Gotham City from the first two Batman films. Dark and serious was what the original trilogy was supposed to be. All the damn time. There is intellegent humor but if you spell "Psycho" as "Sico" you would not be able to spot it. They could have done a funny Batman series of movies but that has been done before and the fans did not want it. The Visa part killed, no, shattered the darkness that was once Batman. Even George Clooney regrets having done the part and says he was told he was doing an ice show as opposed to a dark, complex, and realistic movie. Jim Carey's The Ridler was an Ace Ventura wannabe and Frank Gorshin, rest in peace, was the best The Riddler there was or ever will be. You basically describe Two Face as some drunk guy. *****. EWW. Two Face is better than that. Micheal Keaton looks DAMN good! If you like Val Kilmer and his butt shots so much why don't you go **** him. I don't know who...you are...but **** you too.

Originally posted by jinzin
dude batman forever is not true to the comics..you must be out of your mind.... Seriously. What in **** this wangsta talkin?

Originally posted by lil pimp
I don't really give a shit if it was or wasn't straight up i liked both scumachers movies actually you know what I even liked batman and robin more than batman begins, my little cousin fell asleep through BB and he's a batman fanatic If you don't like it to bad and who knows i probably am out of my mind. What Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow. Your little cousin must be ****ing retarded. The exact opposite happened with my nine year old brother Joey. He fell asleep in front of Batman & Robin when I was watching it on DVD to rant on the internet about how it sucked so bad and his eyes widened the whole way through Batman Begins on bootleg after we saw it in theaters.

Originally posted by jinzin



you liked batman and robin !

LMAO HES RETARDED YO ROFL

Originally posted by lil pimp
Ive been reeding all the other threads about people saying they dont like this they dont like that batman had nipples they showed his a$$ please stop whining If you dont like BF or B&R dont watch it fools it's just a movie nobody's forcing you to watch it, I loved batman forever and i liked B&R and i still like watching both because i dont give a shit about the plot or Corney things i just like watching batman and robin instead of just batman and it also reminds me of back in the day when i was younger. and anybody that dont like it can kiss my Latin ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gun_bandana You the only one who is whining, little wigger. We are reviewing movies and your mind might not be able to comprehend this but the opprotunity for a feature Batman film comes once in a blue moon and we need to pay close attention to them and handle them with upmost care for we are true Batman fans.

Originally posted by lil pimp
Keaton looked like a little bich!!!! Look who's talking.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Its not word for word true to the comics but it was much more loyal to the comicbook than Burtons Batman movies.After all,Batman isnt a half bald short wuss who cant even beat up one goon. Did you even watch Batman? He ahinaliated all of The Jokers best men when they had a car chase with the Batmobile. In Batman returns he punched a guy in the face and then straped a bomb to his chest in five senconds and plunged him down a hole. Did you even...watch the first two movies? The first two Batman movies are the truest to the comic book besides Batman Begins. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin SUCK.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Dude I am glad that you agree with me that keaton was a horrible Batman because of how miscast he was in that role but your not helping me hear though credibility wise saying you liked batman and robin better than Batman Begins.stick with saying you liked batman forever better than Batman Begins because even though I still would not agree with you on that note,you would at least bring more credibility to your points since forever was the only halfway decent batman movie made of the burton and schumacher batman movies. Batman Forever SUCKED. Batman was ****ING AWESOME and Batman Returns was twice as good.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I got you kid ,but you got to understand that when i was little i loved them two movies and whenever I watch them it reminds me of when i was younger that is really the reason i like B&R.
What i can't stand is somebody saying Keaton was the best batman like i said before he looked like a little bi*ch in the costume and didn't even look like he knew how to fight!!! That is because Tim Burton wanted Bruce Wayne to look like a common man when Micheal Keaton as Batman would whup yo ass.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh okay I see where your coming from.yeah batman 89 is a joke the way burton made him into such a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by one guy.that was a joke.Batman Begins showed his true character how he is capable of beating up dozens of people at one time.the real batman would have been able to beat that guy easily blindfolded. Who the **** you talkin bout? The ****** at the end? He was hard because he was the thoughest of all of The Joker's men and he was also trying to make it like he was losing the fight on purpose so he could use his ninja powers of deception to make it seem like he won so when his guard was down the most he could throw him down the stairs of a hundred story building. Batman had control of the fight the whole time. I win the arguement.

Originally posted by jinzin
depends on what comic book you're reading...the campy 60's version that gave batman and robin an "ambiguous" name in the frist place or MILLER'S stories that were n print at the time...given the books that were circulating at the time burton's is far more accurate than the ladder two.

batman also isn't supposed to look like he's hindu/mexican/whatever else clooney looks like.

keaton had the perfect scowl for batman when his mask was on...he just made a horrible bruce wayne....val kilmer was the exact opposite...he played a great bruce wayne pretty-playboy, but he lacked any of the dark elements that make up who batman is and looked horrible with the cowl on..clooney looked horribly out of place either way....and bale is perfect for both batman and bruce wayne (has the darkside thingdown), on top of that he even talks in a low growl as was described in the comics....AWESOME. Micheal Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne. How the **** is he aint a good Bruce Wayne? Val Kilmer is a ****ed up Bruce Wayne and Batman. He plays a wooden Bruce Wayne and a horny depressed man dressed up like a bat.

Originally posted by pr1983
that is just dumb...

he had crashed his plane, his bloody plane... fit or not its a wonder he walked away from it... I love that part.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I can undestand you not likeing the 60's version but you got to respect it, it was the first ,and that was really how batman is supposed to be, all the dark stuff in batman is new he really is supposed to be just little bit meaner then superman. Also keaton looked retarted with the cowl on, it looked like he had no chin ! Actually the Batman was very dark in the original 1939 through the 1940's comics. In the FIRST comic that Batman premired in May of 1939, Detective Comics #28, Batman watched a thug fall into a vat of acid and all he had to say as he looked upon the sight was in a dark growl "A fitting end for his kind..." You, like Joel Schumacher are just sad, strange, confused little men who do not understand this and are more accustomed to the campy, in-favor-of-superman Batman of the 1950's-1970's meanwhile Tim Burton was going with what Bob Kane started when he first created Batman with Bill Finger: A mysterious and adventruous figure fighting for rightousness and apprehending the wrong doer, in his lone battle against the evil forces of society...his identity remains unkown. This dismisses him fighting in public, having a computer doing everything for him, falling in love with Poison Ivy, having a Robin, or being equiped with a team of sex diseased bat bimbos. The only movies that stayed true the original comics are Batman 1989, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. THAT'S IT.

Originally posted by bakerboy
If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap. Old fart, what does he know....

Originally posted by Bat Dude
He didn't forget the places in his house. He was just trying to make Vicki feel more comfortable by making her laugh(though Batman doesn't have a sense of humor, he didn't go over the top like in B&R and Forever though) Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different people, buddy.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Man , you are wrong. See batman returns, he forget the bat cave entry. See his conversations with viky or with seline, he looks a total goofy idiot in those scenes. I dont know, but keaton and burtond did of bruce wayne some kind of abstedminded and goofy fool, insecure with women. What is the opposite of the character. Wrong. In 1989 he forgot the cave entry but only because he was charming as a millionaire play boy even when he was not trying to be and so into a conversation with Vicki Vale that he walked in the wrong direction for a second. It is called "Humor" and it is another factor that made the 1989 Batman great. He never forgot it in Batman Returns! He still ****ed the girls in the end and that is the root definition of "Play boy", not acting like Johnny Bravo and not getting a feel of them love handles.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
actually thats a laughable and poor excuse from him he always comes up with.The batman from the comics and the batman from batman begins could have easily beat that guy blindfolded.its not like he broke two legs or anything like that.this is a martail arts expert,who was hardly seriously injured from that fall,that was inexcusable on burton and the screenwriters part. Mr Parker said an oxymoron. You are saying that he is a martail arts expert so he should be injured from the fall. So you are implying that he is not a martial arts expert because he was not injured by the fall. So that means he wasn't You are saying that it is Batman walking away from a jet crash is an excuse for being strong. Then you are saying he is weak for not breaking his legs in the plane. The Batman in the comics, The Batman from the 1989 movie, and The Batman from the 1989 comics are all the same Batman. They have all honored the title of Batman many times over. The screen writers did a briallnt job with Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. If you directed the 1989 Batman movie Batman would be stuck in a broken jet with broken legs. Way to go, Spielberg.

Batman is not the series to go for if you want your bat nipples, neon lights, bat bimbos, ambiguously gay sidekicks, bat bimbos, neon lights, shit for brains directors, butt shots, credit cards that say "BATMAN FOREVER" on it, bad actors, wasted ****ing awesome characters, played out character reincarnations, popular teen female characters added to make things less gay, suits you cannot fight in, and giant naked statues. But you want to know what a natural is for that sort of thing? SUPERMAN AND SPIDERMAN! **** THEM UP, LEAVE BATMAN ALONE BITCHES!

I guess what I'm trying to say is.

LEAVE BATMAN ALONE.

Listen you peace of shit i was just ****ing around, dont go pissing in your batman underoos you damn geek, you want to call my cousin a retard well **** you and your peace of shit family ***** .if you think Keaton looked good well *** **** the chinless wonder your self . you wanna start something with this Latino, mother****a good , even though you aint nothing but a ***** with a big mouth.you want to call me retard just because i said something good about batman 4, geeks dont know how to take a joke it seems ,and you all mad cause of the nipples on the costumes when you still suck on your dirty mommas nipples, ***** please you must be doing that since all you do is cry cry cry cry on this forum. Also why is your name sevenman do you want **** seven men well i bet you are going to start with Michel Keaton since you think he looked so fine. so if you finally done bitchen **** off you silly little HO!!!

Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them.

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
I would have loved to seen Tim Burton direct Two-Face.

He would have made him dark instead of a moron like Joel portrayed him.

how do you know that? Burton made the penguin into a sewer dwelling moron like schumacher did with two face.

Originally posted by sevenman
BATMAN RETURNS ROCKS!



Yeah, man.

Micheal Keaton would have done it if Tim Burton did it so they would not have casted another actor. Val Kilmer gave a wooden portrayal as Bruce Wayne unlike Micheal Keaton who was a very unlikely casting choice but ended up being the best Batman of all. If you have a beef with it my only conclusion is that you existed some time before the movie came out and was a big fan of the comics and was pissed off that Micheal Keaton was casted that Batman and either did not see or did not like, somehow, the dark teaser they released to covince fans of the dark kight that Batman was going to be portrayed well way back in 1988. Micheal Keaton was a good Batman. Get over it. Now Val Kilmer, in the movie you liked was a wooden sex clown in black leather that Joel Schumacher hired because he was "Younger" and looked "Sexy". I hear girls saying all the time "I LOVE BAMTAN FOREVER" and I'm like "Why" and they like "I DONT KNOW BUT I DID". I am not into bat nipples I am into a good or at least a consistant trilogy. George Clooney sucked the most out of every Batman in the world but it is not his fault.

Agreed, Bardock42. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were far worse choices. Just stick with Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. The REAL dynamic duo.

I concur.

Then watch the Batman of the 1970's and leave it out of a trilogy-that-never-was. That is what fans feared the most but Tim Burton was their savior. Well the REAL savior was Frank Miller. But still.

You can not change the actor in the trilogy or it is sloppy and the movies do not feel like they are linked together. Micheal Keaton is able to fit any role from comedy to the darkest of knights and he proved that in Batman and Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher was sent by Satan to **** everything up and he succeeded. Robin is the start of a long line of ad ons that do not really matter. The original purpose of the first Batman film was to go back to the dark roots of Batman and that is how it should have ended if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever. With no Robin just like you said. The way it should have been. If Robin is going to be with Batman he has to be there from the start and be a consistant character from there on out to the final shot in the trilogy. If he is not in the first one do not bother putting him in the second one and you should DEFINITELY not put him in the third since it is far too late by then. How do you know he would make Batman a wuss? You do not have a time machine to go back to the past and alter the events of the space time continuum to see if Tim Burton would have done a better job directing Batman Forever. Batman KILLED in the first Batman movies and he was ****ing awesome. Tim Burton would have went all out with Batman Forever if the Joel Schumacher plague did not come and wreck everything. Batman fought right out in the open dramatically in Batman Forever and people were CHEERING for him when he is supposed to be at odds with society and the police except for commissioner Gordon in some flashy fakeout hollywood neon fight as opposed to the far superior and mythological fights he would use in secret and to save a city of peoples that have fallen into total chaos in times of emergency. Micheal Keaton is not short, half bald, or out of shape. George Clooney sucks but my mommy likes him (**** you). I do not know who the **** Abbot and Costello is but The Lone Ranger had his own movie without Tonto and he did damned good, too. Batman would have too if there was no Robin, no bat bimbo, no, Joel Schumacher. Just Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. ****ing awesome.


No BATMAN RETURNS SUCKS BIG TIME

Kilmer was only wooden when he had corny lines to read as batman which was most the time,the times he had good lines such as IF BRUCE WAYNE COULD HAVE SAVED YOUR PARENTS BY GIVING HIS LIFE FOR THEM,HE WOULD HAVE.he was great at,most the times his serious lines were as bruce wayne and thats when he exclled the most.your shwoing why kilmer was better with those points,kilmer brought more crediblity to the role because he at least fit the part,if an actor doesnt even come close to resembling the role which keaton did not,then he brings no credibility to the role.its like burt reynolds being cast for boss higg,he brings no credibilty to the role because he does nt fit the part,same thing with keaon,how hard can that be to comprehend? : No keaton and clooney were far worse than Kilmer.the REAL dynamin duel is bale and Nolan.KEATON AND BURTON suck royally. keaton brought no crediblity to the role because he did not come even close to fitting the role and acted like a goofy idiot not remembering where he was in the mansion,thats not batman.Kilmer portrayed Wayne much better than keaton did.the dark roots of batman that burton did was make him into a cowardly killer,that butchered to death his character. yes batman killed and he should have been wanted for murder at the end,it was much more like a james bond flick than a batman movie. michael keaton and tim burton were a freaking horrible combination for batman.thank god for shumacher and kilmer,at least schumacher did not cast someone only because he was friends with him. which is what burton did,he did not care about pissing off the true batman fans out there who hated the horrible casting of keaton. DEAL WITH IT.

and also,the TRUE batman from the comics would easily have beat that goon of the jokers blindfolded.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them.


I understand what you saying, i was going to ignore him until he called my little cousin a retard so if he going to talk about my family im going to talk about his.if i get banned thats just to damn bad!!!

yo sevenman i noticed every time i mentioned batman 3 or 4 you always say something about the nipples and the butt shots is that all you looked at in the damn movie were the nipples thats probably why you didnt like it because you weren't even looking at the movie. All you were thinking about were the nipples and butts, man you one perverted fruit!!!

Originally posted by sevenman
I never wanted there to be a Batman & Robin, *******. Micheal Keaton was old and experienced with alot of training just like the real Batman unlike that ****head Val Kilmer. Danny Devito was a great actor as the Penguin and very new and convincing in the movie. Nerds get mad when people **** with the Penguins character and hate the Penguins character because it ****ing sucks. Tim Burton did something different like he did with the Joker and everyone accepted it. So you're saying...you would rather have a movie with a braindead actor as opposed to be willing to sacrifice a scene for the integrity of the overall movie? Good thing Tim Burton directed the first two films and not you.

Either way you are a *****. You are bitching about either way. Tim Burton was able to focus on the tradegdy of The Penguin and he would be able to do the same for Two Face and/or Scarecrow. The Riddler seems to belong in the 1966 Batman TV show the more I think about it.

Yo, I liked Burt Ward. He enjoyed the role just as much as Adam West. They are going to be called homosexual either way. It is the nature of man to acuse two men who spend alot of time together a gay butt ****er. That's life. I will never hear in my life "This is good and new in something old". So I am not surprised some dorks were arguing over The Penguin's new origin. It is like the Joker and Catwoman but it is still cool. None of Tim Burton's characters were over the top. They were subtle when they needed to be and dramatic at the climax. I felt so sorry for The Penguin when I saw him die for the first time when I was two, I still can recall.

THEY WAS THERE LONGER THAN THE BATMANS WAS!

Batman Forever is FAR off from the original comics and the first two are FAR closer to the original comics because they were dark. You say "He did not want to make them look like the rest". That is because movies were ripping off of the original Batman's Gotham City. It was the original not the rest. Psycho frezies do not exist in neon colors because Gotham City has something called a Police Force but there are some things they cannot handle and alot are corrupt and it is very complex but Joel Schumacher completely tossed this aside for two hours of stories nonsense as opposed to realism in a realistic enviornment like the Gotham City from the first two Batman films. Dark and serious was what the original trilogy was supposed to be. All the damn time. There is intellegent humor but if you spell "Psycho" as "Sico" you would not be able to spot it. They could have done a funny Batman series of movies but that has been done before and the fans did not want it. The Visa part killed, no, shattered the darkness that was once Batman. Even George Clooney regrets having done the part and says he was told he was doing an ice show as opposed to a dark, complex, and realistic movie. Jim Carey's The Ridler was an Ace Ventura wannabe and Frank Gorshin, rest in peace, was the best The Riddler there was or ever will be. You basically describe Two Face as some drunk guy. *****. EWW. Two Face is better than that. Micheal Keaton looks DAMN good! If you like Val Kilmer and his butt shots so much why don't you go **** him. I don't know who...you are...but **** you too.


except bruce wayne is NOT an old an old bald man,your crippling your arguments dude.devito was not at all convincing in that movie,thats hte most laughable statement of all you have made. again your crippling your arguments because everyboyd did NOT accept it,what burton did with the penguin or to the joker. Tim Burton made the penguin into a laughable idiot which is not true to his character.At least the riddler was funny,the penguin was not.with a character namedlike the penguin of course you would feel sorry for him to die.I wanted to see batman die in the first two batman movies because he was a cowardly killer who killed people in cowardly ways and should have been wanted for mureder at the end,thats horrible screenwriting,thats why batman begins was believeable unlike the burton batman films because it was realisitic when the commissioner said they will be no vigilantes taking the law into their own hands in his town.so the law was after batman in the film,thats good screenwriting,Burtons batman movies have horrible screenwriters. okay let me put it this way,a batman sequel without robin is like starskey and hutch without hutch or the dukes of hazzard with luke duke but not his cousin bo duke,same thing. the first two films are only loyal in the fact that they are dark,thats the only good point you have made so far.But they were too dark in the fact that they turned batman into a cowardly killer which crossed the line.Batman Begins at least did not make him into a cowardly killer which made batman a likeable guy for a change.

there was no realisem in the first two batman films.a movie about some guy who murders people and is treated like a hero at the end instead of being wanted for murder like he should have been is hardly realisem.the first two batman films were boring as hell all they did was stand around and talk most the damn time,thats nuts for batman film.please,the penguin was laughable as a villian,he wasnt real.If anything,two faces character was MORE real than the penguion.and a lady falling off a building and then coming to life because some cats bite her is realisem? ha ha,you crap me up with your laughable posts. thats all you got in the first two batman films was two nonsense story films.

The first tow batman films had no humor whatsoever,you CAN make a good dark serious batman movie and use humor in it the same time as batman begins proved.batman forever had some great humor in it and was dramatic at the same time,and had far better special effects than either of those crapfest burton batman films.at least jim carrey was funny as the riddler,devito was boring as hell and gave a horrible acting performance.

Originally posted by bakerboy
If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap.


Very well spoken Bakerboy.I could not have said it better myself.

Originally posted by sevenman
Seriously. What in **** this wangsta talkin?

Wow. Your little cousin must be ****ing retarded. The exact opposite happened with my nine year old brother Joey. He fell asleep in front of Batman & Robin when I was watching it on DVD to rant on the internet about how it sucked so bad and his eyes widened the whole way through Batman Begins on bootleg after we saw it in theaters.

LMAO HES RETARDED YO ROFL

You the only one who is whining, little wigger. We are reviewing movies and your mind might not be able to comprehend this but the opprotunity for a feature Batman film comes once in a blue moon and we need to pay close attention to them and handle them with upmost care for we are true Batman fans.

Look who's talking.

Did you even watch Batman? He ahinaliated all of The Jokers best men when they had a car chase with the Batmobile. In Batman returns he punched a guy in the face and then straped a bomb to his chest in five senconds and plunged him down a hole. Did you even...watch the first two movies? The first two Batman movies are the truest to the comic book besides Batman Begins. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin SUCK.

Batman Forever SUCKED. Batman was ****ING AWESOME and Batman Returns was twice as good.

That is because Tim Burton wanted Bruce Wayne to look like a common man when Micheal Keaton as Batman would whup yo ass.

Who the **** you talkin bout? The ****** at the end? He was hard because he was the thoughest of all of The Joker's men and he was also trying to make it like he was losing the fight on purpose so he could use his ninja powers of deception to make it seem like he won so when his guard was down the most he could throw him down the stairs of a hundred story building. Batman had control of the fight the whole time. I win the arguement.

Micheal Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne. How the **** is he aint a good Bruce Wayne? Val Kilmer is a ****ed up Bruce Wayne and Batman. He plays a wooden Bruce Wayne and a horny depressed man dressed up like a bat.

I love that part.

Actually the Batman was very dark in the original 1939 through the 1940's comics. In the FIRST comic that Batman premired in May of 1939, Detective Comics #28, Batman watched a thug fall into a vat of acid and all he had to say as he looked upon the sight was in a dark growl "A fitting end for his kind..." You, like Joel Schumacher are just sad, strange, confused little men who do not understand this and are more accustomed to the campy, in-favor-of-superman Batman of the 1950's-1970's meanwhile Tim Burton was going with what Bob Kane started when he first created Batman with Bill Finger: A mysterious and adventruous figure fighting for rightousness and apprehending the wrong doer, in his lone battle against the evil forces of society...his identity remains unkown. This dismisses him fighting in public, having a computer doing everything for him, falling in love with Poison Ivy, having a Robin, or being equiped with a team of sex diseased bat bimbos. The only movies that stayed true the original comics are Batman 1989, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. THAT'S IT.


thanks for proving with your points how tim burtons batman movies suck and are not at all true to the comics.Batman is not the cowardly killer that Burton made him into.He would never take a life unless he absolutely had and there was no way out.Killing those goons of the jokers sending in the batmobile by remote and dropping the bomb in front of them was so cowardly of him,and then putting that bomb in that guys pants,again cowardly,thats what james bond would do,NOT batman.thats murder.actually besides batman begins,batman forever is the most true of the four before it.the first two films butchered to death his character with him killing people in cowardly ways. Batman 89 sucked and batman returns sucked twice as worse.batman forever was far better than those two.

oh is that what batman told you? that he was losing on purpose? yeah whatever.he never ever had control of that fight.If he wanted to beat up that guy he could have easily hit him in the nuts and knocked him out cold.sorry but as usual,you lose the argument just like all the burton keaton batman apologists do. If anybody played a wooden horny depressed bruce wayne,that would be keaton.Keaton just tried to copy chris reeves great performance from superman by being cool as batman and a goofy nerd as bruce wayne.Kilmers wayne was at least loyal to the comic bruce wayne by being suave and charming with the women the same way Bale was in Batman Begins.

No that would be you and Tim Burton who would be someone who would be a sad strange little man who does not understand how this movie butchered to death his character making him a coward.No the ONLY BATMAN movie that has stayed true to the original comics is Batman Begins.THATS IT!!!!!!

Thats why they restarted the franchise series because many batman fans to this day are outraged over the horrible casting choice of keaton as batman and how they made him into a cowardly killer.I know that because I have friends that are in their 50's who read the comics and still have the issues and have told me over the years they hated the burton batman movies because they were not at all loyal to the comicbook which is so correct.

Why must this war continue to rage?

War?

Originally posted by lil pimp
Listen you peace of shit i was just ****ing around, dont go pissing in your batman underoos you damn geek, you want to call my cousin a retard well **** you and your peace of shit family ***** .if you think Keaton looked good well *** **** the chinless wonder your self . you wanna start something with this Latino, mother****a good , even though you aint nothing but a ***** with a big mouth.you want to call me retard just because i said something good about batman 4, geeks dont know how to take a joke it seems ,and you all mad cause of the nipples on the costumes when you still suck on your dirty mommas nipples, ***** please you must be doing that since all you do is cry cry cry cry on this forum. Also why is your name sevenman do you want **** seven men well i bet you are going to start with Michel Keaton since you think he looked so fine. so if you finally done bitchen **** off you silly little HO!!! Yo, c'mon. Don't be a flat-liner, man.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them. You like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin because you are ignorant.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
how do you know that? Burton made the penguin into a sewer dwelling moron like schumacher did with two face. If you say that The Penguin is a sewer dwelling moron then you did not understand his tormented character. That is why I like him. He is a born freak and Batman has to wear a mask. That's powerful stuff if you could just sit down and enjoy it. Two Face wasn't a sewer dwelling moron. You're a sewer dwelling moron!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No BATMAN RETURNS SUCKS BIG TIME

Kilmer was only wooden when he had corny lines to read as batman which was most the time,the times he had good lines such as IF BRUCE WAYNE COULD HAVE SAVED YOUR PARENTS BY GIVING HIS LIFE FOR THEM,HE WOULD HAVE.he was great at,most the times his serious lines were as bruce wayne and thats when he exclled the most.your shwoing why kilmer was better with those points,kilmer brought more crediblity to the role because he at least fit the part,if an actor doesnt even come close to resembling the role which keaton did not,then he brings no credibility to the role.its like burt reynolds being cast for boss higg,he brings no credibilty to the role because he does nt fit the part,same thing with keaon,how hard can that be to comprehend? : No keaton and clooney were far worse than Kilmer.the REAL dynamin duel is bale and Nolan.KEATON AND BURTON suck royally. keaton brought no crediblity to the role because he did not come even close to fitting the role and acted like a goofy idiot not remembering where he was in the mansion,thats not batman.Kilmer portrayed Wayne much better than keaton did.the dark roots of batman that burton did was make him into a cowardly killer,that butchered to death his character. yes batman killed and he should have been wanted for murder at the end,it was much more like a james bond flick than a batman movie. michael keaton and tim burton were a freaking horrible combination for batman.thank god for shumacher and kilmer,at least schumacher did not cast someone only because he was friends with him. which is what burton did,he did not care about pissing off the true batman fans out there who hated the horrible casting of keaton. DEAL WITH IT.

and also,the TRUE batman from the comics would easily have beat that goon of the jokers blindfolded. Yes. BATMAN RETUNRS ****ING ROCKS BIG TIME!

When Val Kilmer said "If Bruce Wayne could have saved your parents by giving his life for them, he would have" that was not because he was a good actor. It was because of good writers. Micheal Keaton could have done it better along with any other line in the film if Tim Burton directed it with no Robin. Over an two hours of script was cut out in the final script of Batman Forever to make it more "Family-Friendly" or in other words "Cash Cow" instead of the dark, interesting, and realisitc stories of Batman and Batman Returns. Robin was a gimmick to give credibility to Bruce Wayne when he was already credible. He was not supposed to have a character at all besides millionaire play boy. If his character was intense and advertised everywhere then everyone in Gotham City would know Bruce Wayne is Batman. It is not realistic and Batman does not need Robin to be a great character. He is stronger than that and Tim Burton realized this. He casted Micheal Keaton because he wanted Bruce Wayne to look like an every day man and even though the world was against it he proved that he was worthy of the title of the Dark Knight with the powerful performances he displayed in the first two films. The new Dukes of Hazzard sucks, I agree. The Dukes of Hazzard was funny when it came to sex but I feel all they had was sex as an advertisment...that's it. Burt Reynolds didn't prove me wrong because he did not play a convincing Boss Hogg. Micheal Keaton portrayed an awesome Bruce Wayne and Batman. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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OOOOOOOOOOOOO........Val Kilmer and George Clooney was FAR worse than micheal Keaton. I agree with you that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have made Batman Begins a great Batman movie but Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton are still the FOR REAL Dynamic Duo. He only forgot which direction he was going in for a second in the first movie and it charmed Vickie Vale. It's called a "Joke". Get over it. It was not "Batman" it was "Bruce Wayne". BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG difference. Micheal Keaton portrayed both Bruce Wayne and Batman better than Val Kilmer and George Clooney combined. Batman was a killer in the first two films because Batman was at odds with the police in the first two Batman movies except with Commissioner Gordon. You have a retarded nerve for saying that Batman and Batman Returns were like James Bond flciks because both love intrests had reason and passion behind them while Dr. Chase Maridian became the first bat bimbo. She treated Batman as if he were a rebelious rock star that she could use for sex like a horny school girl and Batman went to her and RISKED HER GETTING HURT BY THOSE WHO WISH TO KILL THE BAT WHICH HAPPENED AT THE END. Now THAT ruins credibility! Bruce Wayne is a millionaire play boy to distract people from suspecting that he is secretly The Batman. He does use his alternate persona to get chicks and does date every woman he meets as both Bruce Wayne AND Batman. Joel Schumacher butchered Batman way more than Tim Burton did. Tim Burton is a blessing. Joel Schumacher is garbage. Joel Schumacher/Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher/George Clooney are ****ing horrible cominations for Batman. Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton was an excellent combination for Batman. **** it. Micheal Keaton IS Batman. Saying "Thank god for Schumacher" about anything ruins your credibilty to argue and as a human being. You also can't say that Joel Schumacher is so great for not casting someone who is not his friend because Tim Burton handed down his would-have-been-trilogy to Joel Schumacher only because he was his friend so if you always wanted it to be that way Batman Forever would have been directed by Tim Burton and the Joel Schumacher Batman films would have either come ten years later in a NEW and "Different" trilogy where you can **** up Batman all you want with Robin, neon lights, and nipples or would have not have even existed. Tim Burton did not cast Micheal Keaton just because he was good friend with him but also because Micheal Keaton could tackle any role you through at him from comedy to a serious film which he proved in Batman and Batman Returns. He is like Jim Carey even though he sucked as The Riddler. Tim Burton is PIMP like that, yo. He told the true Batman fans to DEAL with it and they loved it. It's been done delt with, yo. Micheal Keaton was casted well and even though all Batman fans feared they would be in store for a campy Adam West style Batman they got the first dark portrayal of Batman on a mainstream scale since 1939. Be specific about what "Goon" you are talking about. Batman did beat the final ****** in the first Batman film blind folded. He tricked him into thinking he was winning so he could dust him off like an old coffee table. You are not mature enough to get that. Well, you know what? YOU SUCK ROYALLY!

You mean...BATMAN FOREVER SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

Fixed your typo.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I understand what you saying, i was going to ignore him until he called my little cousin a retard so if he going to talk about my family im going to talk about his.if i get banned thats just to damn bad!!! Don't be talking trash!

Originally posted by lil pimp
yo sevenman i noticed every time i mentioned batman 3 or 4 you always say something about the nipples and the butt shots is that all you looked at in the damn movie were the nipples thats probably why you didnt like it because you weren't even looking at the movie. All you were thinking about were the nipples and butts, man you one perverted fruit!!! I'm Batman, I don't need to here no trash from you.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
except bruce wayne is NOT an old an old bald man,your crippling your arguments dude.devito was not at all convincing in that movie,thats hte most laughable statement of all you have made. again your crippling your arguments because everyboyd did NOT accept it,what burton did with the penguin or to the joker. Tim Burton made the penguin into a laughable idiot which is not true to his character.At least the riddler was funny,the penguin was not.with a character namedlike the penguin of course you would feel sorry for him to die.I wanted to see batman die in the first two batman movies because he was a cowardly killer who killed people in cowardly ways and should have been wanted for mureder at the end,thats horrible screenwriting,thats why batman begins was believeable unlike the burton batman films because it was realisitic when the commissioner said they will be no vigilantes taking the law into their own hands in his town.so the law was after batman in the film,thats good screenwriting,Burtons batman movies have horrible screenwriters. okay let me put it this way,a batman sequel without robin is like starskey and hutch without hutch or the dukes of hazzard with luke duke but not his cousin bo duke,same thing. the first two films are only loyal in the fact that they are dark,thats the only good point you have made so far.But they were too dark in the fact that they turned batman into a cowardly killer which crossed the line.Batman Begins at least did not make him into a cowardly killer which made batman a likeable guy for a change.

there was no realisem in the first two batman films.a movie about some guy who murders people and is treated like a hero at the end instead of being wanted for murder like he should have been is hardly realisem.the first two batman films were boring as hell all they did was stand around and talk most the damn time,thats nuts for batman film.please,the penguin was laughable as a villian,he wasnt real.If anything,two faces character was MORE real than the penguion.and a lady falling off a building and then coming to life because some cats bite her is realisem? ha ha,you crap me up with your laughable posts. thats all you got in the first two batman films was two nonsense story films.

The first tow batman films had no humor whatsoever,you CAN make a good dark serious batman movie and use humor in it the same time as batman begins proved.batman forever had some great humor in it and was dramatic at the same time,and had far better special effects than either of those crapfest burton batman films.at least jim carrey was funny as the riddler,devito was boring as hell and gave a horrible acting performance. I am not your dude. And your arguements are crippled not mine. Bruce Wayne was not an old bald man he was a great man portrayed by Micheal Keaton. But not TOO great or his cover is blown. Danny Devito was convincing you could not just accept it. Saying that everyone did not accept it is saying that everyone didn't accept the Joker. Watch Mask of the Phantasm THEN you can talk.You can laugh at The Penguin because you do not understand how tormented he was and if you do not get that you need to watch the movie again because you did not understand where Tim Burton was coming from by making The Penguin's character great. You can stay "True to the roots" but then no one likes The Penguins character because he was boring. This jazzes him up a bit and makes him awesome and dark. This has been happening since the very begining. When Detective Comics #27 came out it was not originally The Red Hood that fell into the acid and became The Joker. They changed this later on because it made the universe awesome and people did not ***** about it because their were no fans of the universe with some regular guy dying in a vat of chemicals and The Batman universe had no structure. People bitched about The Penguin's origins being changed later on because their was structure but that did not change the fact that it was cooler than just some random crime boss. Like The Riddler from the 1966 Batman series they did have a character but it either sucked or was non-existant until their revamped appearences made them awesome, noticable, and provoked geeks to to try to ***** out the wise decision of change. I laugh at anyone who says The Penguin is funny. He is not supposed to be. That is because all of the villains of the Batman universe are distinct from The Joker, who is the only one laughing. Tim Burton did not need The Joker to make a great Batman film because their were other personalities and emotions to explore with other villains but all Joel Schumacher could say to excuse the butchering of The Riddler's character was "At least The Riddler was funny" and that just makes us go "yeah...thats it". EXACTLY. The Penguin was ridiculed by society much like you are ridiculing his character now. You are just trying to be too cool and it's not working. You view villains in the first person. If they are funny you like them if they are ugly you make fun of them. You are like Catwoman in Batman Returns so if you want to see how your arguement ends up with the Penguin being a mutant freak just sit back and watch Batman Returns. It is called the third person. You are not on either side but merely watching from afar. The Batman almost did die in the first Batman films so if you want him to die it is interesting to see how he surrvives and if he can or not. Batman was not a coward he was realistic. If you watch Batman Begins at first he fights Ducard in ways that are not "Cowardly" with different fighting techniques but Ducard starts fighting with him dirty and wins and excalims that this was not a dance. Batman realized this in Batman Returns so he did not fight like a coward nor portray a dance...he fought like a man. The Batman. The Batman was at odds with the police in the first two films except with Commissioner Gordon but in Batman Forever, the sequel to Batman Returns, Batman is not at odds after commiting murder. Batman and Batman Returns had excellent screenwriting that was believable like Batman Begins. Commissioner Gordon said that their will be no vigilantes because of good writing. It had nothing to do with the director or actor. I agree with you that Batman Begins was a great movie but so was Batman and Batman Returns. Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins are both good movies in their own right. Tim Burton's movies were believable because I believed it. Your arguement is not crippled. You have no arguement. A Batman sequel without Robin is not like Starskey and Hutch without Hutch or The Dukes of Hazzard with Luke Duke but no cousin Bo Duke and it is not the same thing. Those duos were together from THE START and if you are going to have Batman and Robin togethner you need to do it from the START like they did with Batman #1. You are saying that there should first be a movie with Starskey and then add Hutch in the sequel and The Dukes of Hazzard movie with Luke Duke in the first one and have Cousin Bo Duke added in the second one. Same thing. That has to be the biggest load of pig shit I have ever heard! If you want Robin then the first three Batman films should have been Batman alone just to show you how much cooler he is alone then start a whole new series by Joel Schumacher in a trilogy with an old Robin, neon lights, and nipples on the bat suit. That way you would get what you like without ruining the dark lone vigilante Batman I like. You said you liked Batman Begins with Batman being alone so I do not know why you insist on ruining it with Robin and a whole truck load of homosexual jokes that you and me combined would never be able to fight off. The first Batman film and Batman Returns was not too dark. It is impossible for Batman to be too dark. Batman is not a coward. Batman KILLS. Batman crossed the line and Beyond. If you want a likeable guy then read Superman or Spiderman comics. Batman Begins is a good movie in its own right and I respect the idea of Batman not killing anyone as long as it stays out of the real and only one true Batman universe. God Bless America.

There was realism in the first two Batman films because Batman was not some guy he was Batman and he was not treated like a hero they even say in the Batman films if Batman should be a friend or a foe. He is at odds with the police and society except for Commissioner Gordon but still fights for Gotham City even though they are fighting him along with the crimainals of Gotham City because he believes that Gotham City is not beyond saving. This is gone deeper into with Batman Begins if you want to really understand. They were thankful that Batman saved them at the end of the first film because they could have died. If we did not fight the war that America is in recently and kill the people who wish to do us harm we would have died and we are thankful for our troops and they are killers. It is realism because it happened in real life after those first two films. They were not boring as hell they were very interesting because it was not all action they were very deep films where conversations, circumstances, and mysteries would lead up to final battles instead of being meaningless violence. It is not nuts for a Batman film. It is a Batman film. You can laugh at The Penguin and that is what makes him great. You are not supposed to like him because he is misunderstood and if you watched movies from the third person instead of the first perons like a normal human being you would enjoy his character. Two Face was a fakeout The Joker who would easily be foiled by the police with his rediculous schemes defeating the purpose of needing Batman for him. You are right. Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze were not just wannabe The Jokers. YOU ARE! You make fun of the movies by explaining them comedically instead of portaying them in the sad-but-true light that Tim Burton did except you are not like Tim Burton because you do a horrible job doing it. Just have one The Joker. Tim Burton's The Joker, The Penguin, and Catwoman were better than Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze combined. Simple as that. The origin of Catwoman was all circumstance. What if she was not really brought to life by cats but they just wanted to eat her? What if she did not all those times but just happened to surrvive? It is possible and the times she died were surrvivable. Selina Kyle was just in a state of mind that she was Catwoman but was not actually meta-huaman just like The Penguin and The Joker. If you are a keen audience member you would realize that instead of believing the nonsense you make the Tim Burton films look like in your dim light. Batman and Batman Returns did not suck. YOU SUCK!

Originally posted by bakerboy
If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap. Tim Burton would have made Batman Forever better than Joel Schumacher did. The Batman Franchise was ressurected by the first movie. Micheal Keaton was not short, nor unmuscular, and not balding at all, and upright, and fought like a mother Micheal Keaton for the role of Batman and Bruce Wayne. It was amazing how everyone said that Micheal Keaton was the worst choice for Batman and now most people think he was the best one to ever play Batman and Bruce Wayne. He only forgot which direction to go for a second and the first Batman film and it was funny because he was distracted by how beautiful Vickie Vale was and she was charmed by this and it cripples the arguements that the first two Batman films were too dark and not funny. EXACTLY. Thank you for proving my point, my friend. He was not a bubling idiot he was like an ordianary man except he had a way with women that you could not begin to understand. No wnoder you do not get women because you think the only ways to get women are stupid. I think that Butthead from Beavis and Butthead put it best when he said "Sometimes you have to like...act like a wuss to get chicks and stuff". That's so true. Batman Returns was better than the first Batman. They did not develop the Batamn Character in the first Batman film because it was year one for Batman not the time during his training which is more like year zero and pre-Batman. His character develops by exploring his past whilst already amidst his future. The Penguin was not stupid because he was able to play a ****ing city like a harp from hell nor retarded he was just an animal with basic instincts and their is no ultimate goal to evolution so you have no arugment. You could releate to the parents of the Penguin the most because you hate him so much and are not mature enough to handle such a sophisticated such as Batman Returns. Commissioner Gordon was not as big in the comics as he was in Batman Begins so that is entirely new so you cannot blame it on the 1989 original and Batman Returns for not doing anything with that becaus all three are good films in their own right. You should bad mouth Batman Forever and Batman & Robin more than you do the first to films! r u retarded or something??? Micheal Keaton looked exactly like how Bruce Wayne looked. An oridinary man who is a millionaire playboy. Micheal Keaton can play any role you give him no matter what and Val Kilmer is just for show who will not stay for more than one movie who cannot act as well as Micheal Keaton can. Christian Bale rocks as hard as Micheal Keaton. You're shit, dickass. Micheal Keaton is 5'9 and he did not have a wig and he was a play boy, or as people say today, "Player" because he got in bed later. That is saying more than you can, NERD!!!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Very well spoken Bakerboy.I could not have said it better myself. Then you come in kissing ass with your brown nose after all that talk about Batman Forever being "So great". Suckadick.

Originally posted by sevenman
BATMAN RETURNS ROCKS!



Yeah, man.

Micheal Keaton would have done it if Tim Burton did it so they would not have casted another actor. Val Kilmer gave a wooden portrayal as Bruce Wayne unlike Micheal Keaton who was a very unlikely casting choice but ended up being the best Batman of all. If you have a beef with it my only conclusion is that you existed some time before the movie came out and was a big fan of the comics and was pissed off that Micheal Keaton was casted that Batman and either did not see or did not like, somehow, the dark teaser they released to covince fans of the dark kight that Batman was going to be portrayed well way back in 1988. Micheal Keaton was a good Batman. Get over it. Now Val Kilmer, in the movie you liked was a wooden sex clown in black leather that Joel Schumacher hired because he was "Younger" and looked "Sexy". I hear girls saying all the time "I LOVE BAMTAN FOREVER" and I'm like "Why" and they like "I DONT KNOW BUT I DID". I am not into bat nipples I am into a good or at least a consistant trilogy. George Clooney sucked the most out of every Batman in the world but it is not his fault.

Agreed, Bardock42. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were far worse choices. Just stick with Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. The REAL dynamic duo.

I concur.

Then watch the Batman of the 1970's and leave it out of a trilogy-that-never-was. That is what fans feared the most but Tim Burton was their savior. Well the REAL savior was Frank Miller. But still.

You can not change the actor in the trilogy or it is sloppy and the movies do not feel like they are linked together. Micheal Keaton is able to fit any role from comedy to the darkest of knights and he proved that in Batman and Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher was sent by Satan to **** everything up and he succeeded. Robin is the start of a long line of ad ons that do not really matter. The original purpose of the first Batman film was to go back to the dark roots of Batman and that is how it should have ended if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever. With no Robin just like you said. The way it should have been. If Robin is going to be with Batman he has to be there from the start and be a consistant character from there on out to the final shot in the trilogy. If he is not in the first one do not bother putting him in the second one and you should DEFINITELY not put him in the third since it is far too late by then. How do you know he would make Batman a wuss? You do not have a time machine to go back to the past and alter the events of the space time continuum to see if Tim Burton would have done a better job directing Batman Forever. Batman KILLED in the first Batman movies and he was ****ing awesome. Tim Burton would have went all out with Batman Forever if the Joel Schumacher plague did not come and wreck everything. Batman fought right out in the open dramatically in Batman Forever and people were CHEERING for him when he is supposed to be at odds with society and the police except for commissioner Gordon in some flashy fakeout hollywood neon fight as opposed to the far superior and mythological fights he would use in secret and to save a city of peoples that have fallen into total chaos in times of emergency. Micheal Keaton is not short, half bald, or out of shape. George Clooney sucks but my mommy likes him (**** you). I do not know who the **** Abbot and Costello is but The Lone Ranger had his own movie without Tonto and he did damned good, too. Batman would have too if there was no Robin, no bat bimbo, no, Joel Schumacher. Just Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. ****ing awesome.

First of all, sevendude. Relax, boy, you are being pretty inmature and childish for insulting the people only for critizing the batman movies. Have you some mental problems or something? We arent talking about your family or friends, only about movies. If you are soo poor that you need to post insults in stead of arguments, the discussion is dead . Being something clever and post reasonable arguments not crappy and childish insults.

The best batman was bale, not keaton. I agree that kilmer and clooney sucked in their performances as well,but at least, kilmer looked the part and portrayed the bruce wayne character as he is in the comics. Keaton didnt any of those things.
Agree with shumacher gay tone, it was terrible.

Keaton was a terrible batman and a terrible bruce wayne.

The real dynamic duo is Nolan-Bale. They did the first good batman movie and very loyal to the comics, with a great script, great lines and great performances. The burton-keaton duo was terrible because they did batman and his world in his own way, his own and weird way, not as he is.

Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible in batman. The part isnt for him, he was a terrible casting choice.

Yeah, the dark tone was great, and the music. and michelle pfeiffer was catwoman. But everyting else in burton movies were crap.

Batman killing is awsonme? You have a very weird concept of the character. Batman is a detective and a heroe, not a killer. He hates the muder , because his parents were murdered. You should read the comics again to understand the character. Well, you and tim burton.

Michael keaton is short, out of sharpe and half bald. Look at him in mr mom or bettlejuice or johnny dangeroulsy.


Keaton and burton were pretty bad in the batman movies.

Originally posted by sevenman
I never wanted there to be a Batman & Robin, *******. Micheal Keaton was old and experienced with alot of training just like the real Batman unlike that ****head Val Kilmer. Danny Devito was a great actor as the Penguin and very new and convincing in the movie. Nerds get mad when people **** with the Penguins character and hate the Penguins character because it ****ing sucks. Tim Burton did something different like he did with the Joker and everyone accepted it. So you're saying...you would rather have a movie with a braindead actor as opposed to be willing to sacrifice a scene for the integrity of the overall movie? Good thing Tim Burton directed the first two films and not you.

Either way you are a *****. You are bitching about either way. Tim Burton was able to focus on the tradegdy of The Penguin and he would be able to do the same for Two Face and/or Scarecrow. The Riddler seems to belong in the 1966 Batman TV show the more I think about it.

Yo, I liked Burt Ward. He enjoyed the role just as much as Adam West. They are going to be called homosexual either way. It is the nature of man to acuse two men who spend alot of time together a gay butt ****er. That's life. I will never hear in my life "This is good and new in something old". So I am not surprised some dorks were arguing over The Penguin's new origin. It is like the Joker and Catwoman but it is still cool. None of Tim Burton's characters were over the top. They were subtle when they needed to be and dramatic at the climax. I felt so sorry for The Penguin when I saw him die for the first time when I was two, I still can recall.

THEY WAS THERE LONGER THAN THE BATMANS WAS!

Batman Forever is FAR off from the original comics and the first two are FAR closer to the original comics because they were dark. You say "He did not want to make them look like the rest". That is because movies were ripping off of the original Batman's Gotham City. It was the original not the rest. Psycho frezies do not exist in neon colors because Gotham City has something called a Police Force but there are some things they cannot handle and alot are corrupt and it is very complex but Joel Schumacher completely tossed this aside for two hours of stories nonsense as opposed to realism in a realistic enviornment like the Gotham City from the first two Batman films. Dark and serious was what the original trilogy was supposed to be. All the damn time. There is intellegent humor but if you spell "Psycho" as "Sico" you would not be able to spot it. They could have done a funny Batman series of movies but that has been done before and the fans did not want it. The Visa part killed, no, shattered the darkness that was once Batman. Even George Clooney regrets having done the part and says he was told he was doing an ice show as opposed to a dark, complex, and realistic movie. Jim Carey's The Ridler was an Ace Ventura wannabe and Frank Gorshin, rest in peace, was the best The Riddler there was or ever will be. You basically describe Two Face as some drunk guy. *****. EWW. Two Face is better than that. Micheal Keaton looks DAMN good! If you like Val Kilmer and his butt shots so much why don't you go **** him. I don't know who...you are...but **** you too.

The real batman is old??? Man, read the comics again. Bale and kilmer were in the right age when they did the batman movies, keaton not.

Devito is a great actor , but he was terrible in batman returns. Maybe is the scripters fault, but he was awful. Burton did a very weird thing with the penguin and not, you are posting lies, NOT ANYBODY LIKED AND ACEPT IT. Even the dc comics people and the warner bross people disliked that freak version of the penguin.

Yeah, the riddler was terrible. Very gay. But the penguin wasnt less terrible. A freak idiot without any intelligence. The penguin is supposed to be very clever. The origin of the character was a joke, rised by penguins in a sewer. The penguin sucked. If they would go with the comics character with some variations, like a gangter , it would be a lot more interesting, not that elephant man bad copycat. " Im not a man, im a animal". Pretty stupid.


The penguin and catwoman origins were pretty stupid and unrealistic. Devito performance, as nicholson, was histroinic and over the top. See his speech to the penguins, one of the worst speechs ever. And penguins with missiles at his back. Very mature and realistic.

Batman forever and batman and robin were as different and unloyal as batman and batman returns. As you saying that batman and returns are loyal to the comics?? Man, read the comics.

Yeah, batman forever and batman and robin sucked. But batman and returns too. And keaton looked pretty bad, a 5'8 guy trying to be batman. It was ridiculous.

Originally posted by sevenman
Seriously. What in **** this wangsta talkin?

Wow. Your little cousin must be ****ing retarded. The exact opposite happened with my nine year old brother Joey. He fell asleep in front of Batman & Robin when I was watching it on DVD to rant on the internet about how it sucked so bad and his eyes widened the whole way through Batman Begins on bootleg after we saw it in theaters.

LMAO HES RETARDED YO ROFL

You the only one who is whining, little wigger. We are reviewing movies and your mind might not be able to comprehend this but the opprotunity for a feature Batman film comes once in a blue moon and we need to pay close attention to them and handle them with upmost care for we are true Batman fans.

Look who's talking.

Did you even watch Batman? He ahinaliated all of The Jokers best men when they had a car chase with the Batmobile. In Batman returns he punched a guy in the face and then straped a bomb to his chest in five senconds and plunged him down a hole. Did you even...watch the first two movies? The first two Batman movies are the truest to the comic book besides Batman Begins. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin SUCK.

Batman Forever SUCKED. Batman was ****ING AWESOME and Batman Returns was twice as good.

That is because Tim Burton wanted Bruce Wayne to look like a common man when Micheal Keaton as Batman would whup yo ass.

Who the **** you talkin bout? The ****** at the end? He was hard because he was the thoughest of all of The Joker's men and he was also trying to make it like he was losing the fight on purpose so he could use his ninja powers of deception to make it seem like he won so when his guard was down the most he could throw him down the stairs of a hundred story building. Batman had control of the fight the whole time. I win the arguement.

Micheal Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne. How the **** is he aint a good Bruce Wayne? Val Kilmer is a ****ed up Bruce Wayne and Batman. He plays a wooden Bruce Wayne and a horny depressed man dressed up like a bat.

I love that part.

Actually the Batman was very dark in the original 1939 through the 1940's comics. In the FIRST comic that Batman premired in May of 1939, Detective Comics #28, Batman watched a thug fall into a vat of acid and all he had to say as he looked upon the sight was in a dark growl "A fitting end for his kind..." You, like Joel Schumacher are just sad, strange, confused little men who do not understand this and are more accustomed to the campy, in-favor-of-superman Batman of the 1950's-1970's meanwhile Tim Burton was going with what Bob Kane started when he first created Batman with Bill Finger: A mysterious and adventruous figure fighting for rightousness and apprehending the wrong doer, in his lone battle against the evil forces of society...his identity remains unkown. This dismisses him fighting in public, having a computer doing everything for him, falling in love with Poison Ivy, having a Robin, or being equiped with a team of sex diseased bat bimbos. The only movies that stayed true the original comics are Batman 1989, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. THAT'S IT.

Stop the insults, dude. You are behaving like a 7 years old boy posting insults.

Hahahaha, that is pretty good. You are a true batman fan? You are acepting those unfaithful and unloyal batman films by tim burton and you are a true batman fan??. A true batman fan is the one who hates the four previous movies an understand that batman begins is the only one good and loyal movie. And the thing that we understand is that the burton movies were pretty bad movies, and unloyal to the characters, as the schumacher movies were.

Hahahaha, batman killing is true to the character. Man, what are you talking about??? Could you post more lies that the ones that you are posting??? Because your arguments are pretty false and laughables.

Batman forever sucked. Batman and robin sucked. Batman sucked. Batman returns sucked. Batman begins rules.

If burton wanted to do that, make another movie about another character. Not batman. Is like a director wants to do a movie about a 60 years old spider man. That isnt spider man or peter parker. Go and make another movie about another character.

Batman had control of the fight all the time?? That guy kicked his ass and he only could beat him tricking him. What movie did you see?

And dont post that stupid excuse about " the guy was the strongest of the jokers goons". That guy was only strong, batman is a master of all the fight styles and martial arts. He could beat that guy in 10 seconds or less.

Keaton was a terrible bruce wayne. He didnt look the part and his acting was goofy and stupid. Bruce wayne is a cool play boy, like kilmer or bale played him. Again, you need to read the comics.

Dont mix the things, batman begins is THE ONLY TRUE MOVIE to the batman character. The another four movies sucked in one way of another.

Originally posted by sevenman
Old fart, what does he know....

Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different people, buddy.

Wrong. In 1989 he forgot the cave entry but only because he was charming as a millionaire play boy even when he was not trying to be and so into a conversation with Vicki Vale that he walked in the wrong direction for a second. It is called "Humor" and it is another factor that made the 1989 Batman great. He never forgot it in Batman Returns! He still ****ed the girls in the end and that is the root definition of "Play boy", not acting like Johnny Bravo and not getting a feel of them love handles.

Mr Parker said an oxymoron. You are saying that he is a martail arts expert so he should be injured from the fall. So you are implying that he is not a martial arts expert because he was not injured by the fall. So that means he wasn't You are saying that it is Batman walking away from a jet crash is an excuse for being strong. Then you are saying he is weak for not breaking his legs in the plane. The Batman in the comics, The Batman from the 1989 movie, and The Batman from the 1989 comics are all the same Batman. They have all honored the title of Batman many times over. The screen writers did a briallnt job with Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. If you directed the 1989 Batman movie Batman would be stuck in a broken jet with broken legs. Way to go, Spielberg.

Again, you are so full about batman returns and you even dont remember the movie. See the scene with bruce and selina in wayne manor, see when he go to the batcave and didnt remember it. See the scene in the elevator, he was a wuss, a total and insecure idiot. That isnt bruce wayne.

The scripters did a terrible job in batman and batman returns. Not origin, not enought character development, too much focus on the villains, bad lines, etc.

Yeah,batman and bruce wayne are different, but keaton didnt play any of them as they are in the comics.

Originally posted by sevenman
Batman is not the series to go for if you want your bat nipples, neon lights, bat bimbos, ambiguously gay sidekicks, bat bimbos, neon lights, shit for brains directors, butt shots, credit cards that say "BATMAN FOREVER" on it, bad actors, wasted ****ing awesome characters, played out character reincarnations, popular teen female characters added to make things less gay, suits you cannot fight in, and giant naked statues. But you want to know what a natural is for that sort of thing? SUPERMAN AND SPIDERMAN! **** THEM UP, LEAVE BATMAN ALONE BITCHES!

I guess what I'm trying to say is.

LEAVE BATMAN ALONE.

Yeah, the schumacher movies were pretty bad, as bad as the burton movies. But, bad actors??? Tommy lee jones is a bad actor??? Michael gough is??? Uma thurman is??? Pat hingle is???jim carrey is??? Their performances are bad, but they are very far to being bad actors.

Again, you are being a childish kid postin insults. Leave batman alone you, because defending the burton movies you are being everything but not a true batman fan.

Originally posted by lil pimp
Listen you peace of shit i was just ****ing around, dont go pissing in your batman underoos you damn geek, you want to call my cousin a retard well **** you and your peace of shit family ***** .if you think Keaton looked good well *** **** the chinless wonder your self . you wanna start something with this Latino, mother****a good , even though you aint nothing but a ***** with a big mouth.you want to call me retard just because i said something good about batman 4, geeks dont know how to take a joke it seems ,and you all mad cause of the nipples on the costumes when you still suck on your dirty mommas nipples, ***** please you must be doing that since all you do is cry cry cry cry on this forum. Also why is your name sevenman do you want **** seven men well i bet you are going to start with Michel Keaton since you think he looked so fine. so if you finally done bitchen **** off you silly little HO!!!

Pimp , dont play his game. If he want to insults and being a chidish guy, fine for him. Now its a moderators issue.

Originally posted by sevenman
War?

Yo, c'mon. Don't be a flat-liner, man.

You like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin because you are ignorant.

If you say that The Penguin is a sewer dwelling moron then you did not understand his tormented character. That is why I like him. He is a born freak and Batman has to wear a mask. That's powerful stuff if you could just sit down and enjoy it. Two Face wasn't a sewer dwelling moron. You're a sewer dwelling moron!

Yes. BATMAN RETUNRS ****ING ROCKS BIG TIME!

When Val Kilmer said "If Bruce Wayne could have saved your parents by giving his life for them, he would have" that was not because he was a good actor. It was because of good writers. Micheal Keaton could have done it better along with any other line in the film if Tim Burton directed it with no Robin. Over an two hours of script was cut out in the final script of Batman Forever to make it more "Family-Friendly" or in other words "Cash Cow" instead of the dark, interesting, and realisitc stories of Batman and Batman Returns. Robin was a gimmick to give credibility to Bruce Wayne when he was already credible. He was not supposed to have a character at all besides millionaire play boy. If his character was intense and advertised everywhere then everyone in Gotham City would know Bruce Wayne is Batman. It is not realistic and Batman does not need Robin to be a great character. He is stronger than that and Tim Burton realized this. He casted Micheal Keaton because he wanted Bruce Wayne to look like an every day man and even though the world was against it he proved that he was worthy of the title of the Dark Knight with the powerful performances he displayed in the first two films. The new Dukes of Hazzard sucks, I agree. The Dukes of Hazzard was funny when it came to sex but I feel all they had was sex as an advertisment...that's it. Burt Reynolds didn't prove me wrong because he did not play a convincing Boss Hogg. Micheal Keaton portrayed an awesome Bruce Wayne and Batman. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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OOOOOOOOOOOOO........Val Kilmer and George Clooney was FAR worse than micheal Keaton. I agree with you that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have made Batman Begins a great Batman movie but Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton are still the FOR REAL Dynamic Duo. He only forgot which direction he was going in for a second in the first movie and it charmed Vickie Vale. It's called a "Joke". Get over it. It was not "Batman" it was "Bruce Wayne". BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG difference. Micheal Keaton portrayed both Bruce Wayne and Batman better than Val Kilmer and George Clooney combined. Batman was a killer in the first two films because Batman was at odds with the police in the first two Batman movies except with Commissioner Gordon. You have a retarded nerve for saying that Batman and Batman Returns were like James Bond flciks because both love intrests had reason and passion behind them while Dr. Chase Maridian became the first bat bimbo. She treated Batman as if he were a rebelious rock star that she could use for sex like a horny school girl and Batman went to her and RISKED HER GETTING HURT BY THOSE WHO WISH TO KILL THE BAT WHICH HAPPENED AT THE END. Now THAT ruins credibility! Bruce Wayne is a millionaire play boy to distract people from suspecting that he is secretly The Batman. He does use his alternate persona to get chicks and does date every woman he meets as both Bruce Wayne AND Batman. Joel Schumacher butchered Batman way more than Tim Burton did. Tim Burton is a blessing. Joel Schumacher is garbage. Joel Schumacher/Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher/George Clooney are ****ing horrible cominations for Batman. Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton was an excellent combination for Batman. **** it. Micheal Keaton IS Batman. Saying "Thank god for Schumacher" about anything ruins your credibilty to argue and as a human being. You also can't say that Joel Schumacher is so great for not casting someone who is not his friend because Tim Burton handed down his would-have-been-trilogy to Joel Schumacher only because he was his friend so if you always wanted it to be that way Batman Forever would have been directed by Tim Burton and the Joel Schumacher Batman films would have either come ten years later in a NEW and "Different" trilogy where you can **** up Batman all you want with Robin, neon lights, and nipples or would have not have even existed. Tim Burton did not cast Micheal Keaton just because he was good friend with him but also because Micheal Keaton could tackle any role you through at him from comedy to a serious film which he proved in Batman and Batman Returns. He is like Jim Carey even though he sucked as The Riddler. Tim Burton is PIMP like that, yo. He told the true Batman fans to DEAL with it and they loved it. It's been done delt with, yo. Micheal Keaton was casted well and even though all Batman fans feared they would be in store for a campy Adam West style Batman they got the first dark portrayal of Batman on a mainstream scale since 1939. Be specific about what "Goon" you are talking about. Batman did beat the final ****** in the first Batman film blind folded. He tricked him into thinking he was winning so he could dust him off like an old coffee table. You are not mature enough to get that. Well, you know what? YOU SUCK ROYALLY!

You mean...BATMAN FOREVER SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

Fixed your typo.

And you like batman and batman returns because you are even more ignorant and a untrue batman fan.

Two face was a moron in batman forever. But the penguin was another moron in batman returns. And a lot of people didnt understand it, even the dc people and the warner bros people.

Again with idiotic arguments. Man, the keaton potrayal of bruce wayne wasnt only goofy, it was too misterious. When someone meets bale or kilmer bruce wayne, thinks " an stupid rich man more". But when someone meets keaton bruce wayne thinks" too misterious to be a normal rich man". That is the unrealistic thin. Even a jerk would suspect that keaton wayne could be batman. But no of bale or kilmer, because they are behaving like the arrogant and typical rich play boy. I repeat, you are the one who needs sit down and see the movies again because you didnt understand the things.

You are the one who sucks because your arguments are bullshit. Keaton didnt any powerful performance, only an stupid and comical one. Burtom wanted to do his own wolrd in batman , not the true portrayal of the character. He casted keaton for being his friend, not for being right for the character. Burton sucked as much as shumacher. The movies were unrealistic. Batman isnt old and short and out of sharpe and almost bald, the joker isnt fat and old and short and almost bald. The penguin isnt a retarded freak. Catwoman and penguin origins were too unrealistic. The scripts were pretty bad. Gordon was wasted. Batman was a killer and a bad fighter. his origin is unkowed and he is a supporting character. Etc, etc. AND ALL OF THAT IS TRUE TO THE COMICS??? or you have never read a comic or you must be joking.

Originally posted by sevenman
I am not your dude. And your arguements are crippled not mine. Bruce Wayne was not an old bald man he was a great man portrayed by Micheal Keaton. But not TOO great or his cover is blown. Danny Devito was convincing you could not just accept it. Saying that everyone did not accept it is saying that everyone didn't accept the Joker. Watch Mask of the Phantasm THEN you can talk.You can laugh at The Penguin because you do not understand how tormented he was and if you do not get that you need to watch the movie again because you did not understand where Tim Burton was coming from by making The Penguin's character great. You can stay "True to the roots" but then no one likes The Penguins character because he was boring. This jazzes him up a bit and makes him awesome and dark. This has been happening since the very begining. When Detective Comics #27 came out it was not originally The Red Hood that fell into the acid and became The Joker. They changed this later on because it made the universe awesome and people did not ***** about it because their were no fans of the universe with some regular guy dying in a vat of chemicals and The Batman universe had no structure. People bitched about The Penguin's origins being changed later on because their was structure but that did not change the fact that it was cooler than just some random crime boss. Like The Riddler from the 1966 Batman series they did have a character but it either sucked or was non-existant until their revamped appearences made them awesome, noticable, and provoked geeks to to try to ***** out the wise decision of change. I laugh at anyone who says The Penguin is funny. He is not supposed to be. That is because all of the villains of the Batman universe are distinct from The Joker, who is the only one laughing. Tim Burton did not need The Joker to make a great Batman film because their were other personalities and emotions to explore with other villains but all Joel Schumacher could say to excuse the butchering of The Riddler's character was "At least The Riddler was funny" and that just makes us go "yeah...thats it". EXACTLY. The Penguin was ridiculed by society much like you are ridiculing his character now. You are just trying to be too cool and it's not working. You view villains in the first person. If they are funny you like them if they are ugly you make fun of them. You are like Catwoman in Batman Returns so if you want to see how your arguement ends up with the Penguin being a mutant freak just sit back and watch Batman Returns. It is called the third person. You are not on either side but merely watching from afar. The Batman almost did die in the first Batman films so if you want him to die it is interesting to see how he surrvives and if he can or not. Batman was not a coward he was realistic. If you watch Batman Begins at first he fights Ducard in ways that are not "Cowardly" with different fighting techniques but Ducard starts fighting with him dirty and wins and excalims that this was not a dance. Batman realized this in Batman Returns so he did not fight like a coward nor portray a dance...he fought like a man. The Batman. The Batman was at odds with the police in the first two films except with Commissioner Gordon but in Batman Forever, the sequel to Batman Returns, Batman is not at odds after commiting murder. Batman and Batman Returns had excellent screenwriting that was believable like Batman Begins. Commissioner Gordon said that their will be no vigilantes because of good writing. It had nothing to do with the director or actor. I agree with you that Batman Begins was a great movie but so was Batman and Batman Returns. Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins are both good movies in their own right. Tim Burton's movies were believable because I believed it. Your arguement is not crippled. You have no arguement. A Batman sequel without Robin is not like Starskey and Hutch without Hutch or The Dukes of Hazzard with Luke Duke but no cousin Bo Duke and it is not the same thing. Those duos were together from THE START and if you are going to have Batman and Robin togethner you need to do it from the START like they did with Batman #1. You are saying that there should first be a movie with Starskey and then add Hutch in the sequel and The Dukes of Hazzard movie with Luke Duke in the first one and have Cousin Bo Duke added in the second one. Same thing. That has to be the biggest load of pig shit I have ever heard! If you want Robin then the first three Batman films should have been Batman alone just to show you how much cooler he is alone then start a whole new series by Joel Schumacher in a trilogy with an old Robin, neon lights, and nipples on the bat suit. That way you would get what you like without ruining the dark lone vigilante Batman I like. You said you liked Batman Begins with Batman being alone so I do not know why you insist on ruining it with Robin and a whole truck load of homosexual jokes that you and me combined would never be able to fight off. The first Batman film and Batman Returns was not too dark. It is impossible for Batman to be too dark. Batman is not a coward. Batman KILLS. Batman crossed the line and Beyond. If you want a likeable guy then read Superman or Spiderman comics. Batman Begins is a good movie in its own right and I respect the idea of Batman not killing anyone as long as it stays out of the real and only one true Batman universe. God Bless America.

Keaton sucked as bruce wayne.

De vito was a joke as the penguin, but it was more the script fault.

Batman in the comics is a hero and a detective, not a killer . he hates the murder. That is one of the main concepts of the charater.

The penguin concept is stupid. It would be a lot better if they went with the gangster concept. The tormented freak was only a bad copy of the elephant man or the movie freaks. And it didnt work because he wants to be a criminal sometimes and was too vicious to be related with him. It was weird , not tormented.

Originally posted by sevenman
There was realism in the first two Batman films because Batman was not some guy he was Batman and he was not treated like a hero they even say in the Batman films if Batman should be a friend or a foe. He is at odds with the police and society except for Commissioner Gordon but still fights for Gotham City even though they are fighting him along with the crimainals of Gotham City because he believes that Gotham City is not beyond saving. This is gone deeper into with Batman Begins if you want to really understand. They were thankful that Batman saved them at the end of the first film because they could have died. If we did not fight the war that America is in recently and kill the people who wish to do us harm we would have died and we are thankful for our troops and they are killers. It is realism because it happened in real life after those first two films. They were not boring as hell they were very interesting because it was not all action they were very deep films where conversations, circumstances, and mysteries would lead up to final battles instead of being meaningless violence. It is not nuts for a Batman film. It is a Batman film. You can laugh at The Penguin and that is what makes him great. You are not supposed to like him because he is misunderstood and if you watched movies from the third person instead of the first perons like a normal human being you would enjoy his character. Two Face was a fakeout The Joker who would easily be foiled by the police with his rediculous schemes defeating the purpose of needing Batman for him. You are right. Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze were not just wannabe The Jokers. YOU ARE! You make fun of the movies by explaining them comedically instead of portaying them in the sad-but-true light that Tim Burton did except you are not like Tim Burton because you do a horrible job doing it. Just have one The Joker. Tim Burton's The Joker, The Penguin, and Catwoman were better than Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze combined. Simple as that. The origin of Catwoman was all circumstance. What if she was not really brought to life by cats but they just wanted to eat her? What if she did not all those times but just happened to surrvive? It is possible and the times she died were surrvivable. Selina Kyle was just in a state of mind that she was Catwoman but was not actually meta-huaman just like The Penguin and The Joker. If you are a keen audience member you would realize that instead of believing the nonsense you make the Tim Burton films look like in your dim light. Batman and Batman Returns did not suck. YOU SUCK!

You are posting crap again. Batman doestn needs to kill to be an outscast or a dark hero. he is dark and he is violent at times, not a killer. If he is a killer, he would be as bad as his parents killer. And that one of the main concepts of the character. He never uses guns or kills, he hates it. Batman begins portrayed this a a very brillaint way. And THERE ARENT ANY RELATION BETWEEN BATMAN AND GORDON IN THE CRAP BURTON MOVIES. gordon was only a fat and useless cop with any importance in the stories. THAT RELATION WAS ONLY IN BATMAN BEGINS.

THERE ARENT ANY REALISM IN THE BURTON MOVIES. PENGUINS IN A SEWER, CATWOMAN REVIVED BY CATS, PENGUINS WITH MISSILES AT HIS BACK, SELINE KYLE BEING A WOMAN WITH SUPER STRENGHT AND SUPER AGILITY AND WITH FIGHTING SKILLS WITH THE WHIP WITHOUT ANY TRAINNING, ETC. that is tim burton world, unrealistic and weird.

Originally posted by sevenman
Tim Burton would have made Batman Forever better than Joel Schumacher did. The Batman Franchise was ressurected by the first movie. Micheal Keaton was not short, nor unmuscular, and not balding at all, and upright, and fought like a mother Micheal Keaton for the role of Batman and Bruce Wayne. It was amazing how everyone said that Micheal Keaton was the worst choice for Batman and now most people think he was the best one to ever play Batman and Bruce Wayne. He only forgot which direction to go for a second and the first Batman film and it was funny because he was distracted by how beautiful Vickie Vale was and she was charmed by this and it cripples the arguements that the first two Batman films were too dark and not funny. EXACTLY. Thank you for proving my point, my friend. He was not a bubling idiot he was like an ordianary man except he had a way with women that you could not begin to understand. No wnoder you do not get women because you think the only ways to get women are stupid. I think that Butthead from Beavis and Butthead put it best when he said "Sometimes you have to like...act like a wuss to get chicks and stuff". That's so true. Batman Returns was better than the first Batman. They did not develop the Batamn Character in the first Batman film because it was year one for Batman not the time during his training which is more like year zero and pre-Batman. His character develops by exploring his past whilst already amidst his future. The Penguin was not stupid because he was able to play a ****ing city like a harp from hell nor retarded he was just an animal with basic instincts and their is no ultimate goal to evolution so you have no arugment. You could releate to the parents of the Penguin the most because you hate him so much and are not mature enough to handle such a sophisticated such as Batman Returns. Commissioner Gordon was not as big in the comics as he was in Batman Begins so that is entirely new so you cannot blame it on the 1989 original and Batman Returns for not doing anything with that becaus all three are good films in their own right. You should bad mouth Batman Forever and Batman & Robin more than you do the first to films! r u retarded or something??? Micheal Keaton looked exactly like how Bruce Wayne looked. An oridinary man who is a millionaire playboy. Micheal Keaton can play any role you give him no matter what and Val Kilmer is just for show who will not stay for more than one movie who cannot act as well as Micheal Keaton can. Christian Bale rocks as hard as Micheal Keaton. You're shit, dickass. Micheal Keaton is 5'9 and he did not have a wig and he was a play boy, or as people say today, "Player" because he got in bed later. That is saying more than you can, NERD!!!

Then you come in kissing ass with your brown nose after all that talk about Batman Forever being "So great". Suckadick.

Nope, burton would made batman forever just as bad as schumacher did.

The batman franchise was dead since the first movie.

Keaton was short, unmuscular and almost bald.

Not, FALSE AND WRONG. bruce wayne was a total idiot by keaton, not only with woman, with alfred , etc.

That woman argument is moronic and the beavis and butthead thing is idiotic. Wayne is cool with women and he gets all the woman what he wants and dont needs to be a wuss. Bale and kilmer prooved it.

In a first film on a character, you needs to knows his origin to understand his motivations. Why this guy wears the cape and fights the crime?? But not, burton went and everything is about the joker and the freak penguin.

You are posting crap. Im not talking about feelings or being sad about the penguin. Im talking about characters , and the penguin a very awful character in tim burton hands. His plans were not logic at all, he wasnt any intelligent and his lines were crap. That " you are like the penguins parents" is only crap.

Gordon needs to be a important character in batman mithos and burton did of him an stupid and useless cop without any importance. That was one of the many faults of the burton movies.

Keaton looked as bruce wayne is??? And you claims that you are being a true batman fan? With that statment, you prooved that you arent. Read the comics, bruce wayne isnt an everyman, a short and almost bald and our of sharpe man. He is the opposite. Peter parker is a everyman, bruce isnt. Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible as batman and bruce wayne.You are a moron if you said that keaton is as good as bale. Bale is miles away better than keaton or kilmer or clooney. Keaton is 5'8 as much and is almost bald and isnt a play boy. Only a short man. You are the only nerd here claiming that you are a true batman fan and posting nonsense and false statments.

Originally posted by sevenman


Then you come in kissing ass with your brown nose after all that talk about Batman Forever being "So great". Suckadick.


sevaenman all you do is talk about sucking di*k we can really care less about what you do in your free time. also why you wright so much crap nobody cares about you geek!!

All right, enough! I've been away too long, I guess. First off, I agree with Seven Man because Batman and Batman Returns were great and realistic movies and Keaton rocked. But I do agree with Baker Boy because Keaton did act just a bit too mysterious.
And Lil Pimp, you are getting on my 2nd to last nerve. If you think that people who don't like B&R and Forever because of the neon and what not are geeks, why do you continue to post replies? Is it that you are a geek yourself? Is it that you just don't want to admit your wrong? Or is it that you are just a *******! ~The rest of Bat Dude's sentence is not suitable for anyone's eyes~

Bat Dude i dont want a problem with you the reason i said all that stuff to sevenman is because all he does is talk trash about other people. Also if you knew me you'll know im not a geek. Also the reason i keep replieing is because people like sevenman like to talk shit about other people which i believe aint right . Im not trying to say people dont like B&R or forever couse of the neon everyone else is saying they dont like it because of the neon!You know im going to be the bigger man and apologize to ya i lost my temper and said some mest up things so i apologize!!! Peace!!

Originally posted by bakerboy
First of all, sevendude. Relax, boy, you are being pretty inmature and childish for insulting the people only for critizing the batman movies. Have you some mental problems or something? We arent talking about your family or friends, only about movies. If you are soo poor that you need to post insults in stead of arguments, the discussion is dead . Being something clever and post reasonable arguments not crappy and childish insults.

The best batman was bale, not keaton. I agree that kilmer and clooney sucked in their performances as well,but at least, kilmer looked the part and portrayed the bruce wayne character as he is in the comics. Keaton didnt any of those things.
Agree with shumacher gay tone, it was terrible.

Keaton was a terrible batman and a terrible bruce wayne.

The real dynamic duo is Nolan-Bale. They did the first good batman movie and very loyal to the comics, with a great script, great lines and great performances. The burton-keaton duo was terrible because they did batman and his world in his own way, his own and weird way, not as he is.

Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible in batman. The part isnt for him, he was a terrible casting choice.

Yeah, the dark tone was great, and the music. and michelle pfeiffer was catwoman. But everyting else in burton movies were crap.

Batman killing is awsonme? You have a very weird concept of the character. Batman is a detective and a heroe, not a killer. He hates the muder , because his parents were murdered. You should read the comics again to understand the character. Well, you and tim burton.

Michael keaton is short, out of sharpe and half bald. Look at him in mr mom or bettlejuice or johnny dangeroulsy.


Keaton and burton were pretty bad in the batman movies. THATS SO PREDJUDICE AGAINST YOUNGER PEOPLES! No boi I won't relax! And you can't make me with your immature hoish insults and your niggerish grammar. How do you know if I am calm or not? It is text not real life so you have no way of knowing my mood. Look who's telling who they are making insults instead of arguements. Degrading younger peoples just like they were a fresh batch of hickery smoked *******. I am making valid arguements because they are true and only one turth prevails you just take them as insults. Your fault, not mine ho. IM RICH, *****! The best Batman was Micheal Keaton, not Christian Bale. George Clooney and Val Kilmer sucked and everyone has their own interpretation Bruce Wayne so your arguement is not valid. Micheal Keaton can play any role you give him unlike Val Kilmer who "Looks the part" as you people say but cannot pull it off as brilliantly as Micheal Keaton did. Micheal Keaton portayed both Bruce Wayne and Batman as they were in the dark comics. Everyone reads different Batman comics and if you have read any of the rediculous material written in the official Batman comics in the 1960's you could say that Joel Schumacher's Batman is the truest of them all that is because Batman was not dark since his premire in 1939 and the early 1940's but was his dark side was revived with the truly and undeniably brilliant Frank Miller. This interpretation was brought to the masses with Tim Burton's first two movies and as far as you know without him the dark side of Batman could just have been a minor foot note. They only added Robin and made it campy to be more like Superman so they could make more money with Batman instead of giving Bob Kane and Bill Finger a chance to emphasize on the dark opposites of Batman that made him great. Val Kilmer did not portray Bruce Wayne as he was in the comics because he never banged one girl like Micheal Keaton as Bruce Wayne did. Being a playboy is not about the attitude it is about the results. Micheal Keaton is a fantastic Batman and a fantastic Bruce Wayne. The REEEEEEAL dynamic duo is Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton. They did the first good Batman movie and very loyal to the comics, with a great script, great lines, and great performances. Tim Burton did Batman in a dark way. Darkness that had not seen the light of day for fifty years. I laugh at anyone who says that Micheal Keaton is a bad actor. He is one of the most underrated actors out there. I know he was a fantastic Bruce Wayne and Batman because he can play any part you give him. Did you not see Beetlejuice? I could not tell he was also Batman for years. You are right that the movies did have a dark tone, the premire of the official Batman theme, and Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman. The rest of Batman and Batman Returns ****ing rocked. BATMAN KILLING IS ****ING AWESOME! I do not have a weird concept of the character I have a true concept of the character. Joel Schumacher was just bringing his own crazy nonsense to The Batman universe and I laugh at you saying that he was true to the comics with Batman Forever. I know after you put your arguements head to head with Detective Comics #27 you do not stand a chance because he has been killing since he first came out. Batman is a Detective not a super hero and controversial/commercial. He's not Superman, you know. The Batman does not hate murder, he seeks the mean to fight injustice and bring justice to all. The Batman will handle entire investiagations and impossible cases single-handedly through interrogations where he kills because he serves them justice being the sole man that knows they are guilty. You see Batman neither loves nor hates murder. It is something he must do to serve justice to those who bring injustice to good people. Tim Burton went back to the dark roots of the character as oppsoed to going with some detour superman boring plot. You should read the comics again to understand the character. Well, you and Joel Schumacher. Micheal Keaton is not short, out of shape, or half bald. He is tall, in shape, and with a full set of hair. Look at Beetlejuice or Johnny Dangerously. Note also that in Johnny Dangerously they wanted to make him look older so he was moving on from being a little boy and in Beetlejuice Tim Burton wanted the most disgusting, moldy, and vile creature admireable. Micheal Keaton is a great actor since that is his opposite. Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton made the BEST BATMAN MOVIES EVER BESIDES BATMAN BEGINS.

Originally posted by bakerboy
The real batman is old??? Man, read the comics again. Bale and kilmer were in the right age when they did the batman movies, keaton not.

Devito is a great actor , but he was terrible in batman returns. Maybe is the scripters fault, but he was awful. Burton did a very weird thing with the penguin and not, you are posting lies, NOT ANYBODY LIKED AND ACEPT IT. Even the dc comics people and the warner bross people disliked that freak version of the penguin.

Yeah, the riddler was terrible. Very gay. But the penguin wasnt less terrible. A freak idiot without any intelligence. The penguin is supposed to be very clever. The origin of the character was a joke, rised by penguins in a sewer. The penguin sucked. If they would go with the comics character with some variations, like a gangter , it would be a lot more interesting, not that elephant man bad copycat. " Im not a man, im a animal". Pretty stupid.


The penguin and catwoman origins were pretty stupid and unrealistic. Devito performance, as nicholson, was histroinic and over the top. See his speech to the penguins, one of the worst speechs ever. And penguins with missiles at his back. Very mature and realistic.

Batman forever and batman and robin were as different and unloyal as batman and batman returns. As you saying that batman and returns are loyal to the comics?? Man, read the comics.

Yeah, batman forever and batman and robin sucked. But batman and returns too. And keaton looked pretty bad, a 5'8 guy trying to be batman. It was ridiculous. Yes the real Batman is old. Dude. Read The Dark Knight Returns. Christian Bale is the right actor not the right age for Batman and Val Kilmer and George Clooney suck. Micheal Keaton played his role flawlessly despite everyone's doubts about age and being a strict comedic actor and all the noise. Micheal Keaton looks young for his age and is ****ing awesome. Experienced and wise, young buck. Danny Devito is a great actor and was awesome in Batman Returns. I guess your taste is not refined enough to admire The Penguin's character. The scripters were excellent and so was Danny Devito. Tim Burton remixed The Batman universe by making The Penguin an interesting character as opposed to some fat guy with umbrellas. It is like what he did with The Joker and though they despised the idea of changing The Joker's origin eventually the people behind Batman The Animated Series accepted The Joker as Jack Napier. You are not a true Batman fan and need to watch Mask of the Phantasm like me, a true fan of the dark knight, did to understand that Tim Burton made The Batman cool again. You do not understand that it is naive to say that The Penguin was a "Freak" character because the entire movie revolved around not ridiculing him like his parents did. I guess you were not mature enough to understand most of the movie and are more like The Penguin's parents in real life than The Batman like me. Everyone at DC Comics and Warner Brothers liked the revamped version of the Penguin and it was even in the animated series. You are posting lies. **** you. I speak the truth. The Riddler was GAY. The Penguin wasn't less terrible he was ****ING AWESOME. He was not a freak idiot and had more intellegence than you will ever have. The Penguin is one of Batman's most intellegent foes and I guess you are not a true fan of Batman and like Joel Schumachers gay bar neon lights and bat nipples instead of the animated series because in it The Batman admits to Tim Burton's cooler and remixed version of The Penguin that he is one of the most clever villains The Batman has ever faced. It was not a joke and was very serious and most people in Gotham City in Batman Returns did not believe that a man could be raised in the sewers by penguins so you cannot accept reality like most common people in Gotham City. I am better than that. Like The Penguin, yo. The Penguin ****ing rocked. YOU SUCK! Aha! You said the comics with "Variations" and that is exactly what Tim Burton did so you do not know what you want so let the genius Tim Burton work his magic and you had best shut the **** up because Batman Returns was the best Batman movie ever made. The Penguin was the leader of The Triangle Circus Gang so he was a true ****ing gangster so next time just sit back and enjoy the movie, ho. The Penguin in Batman Returns was alot more interesting than he was in the original comics and would have been forgoten if it was not for Tim Burton so you had best be thankful or you are the ho I know you are. Oh well. He was not an elephant man copy cat thought he was a bad ass he was just born that way. Go rant at science, ******. He never said "Im not a man, im an animal" in Batman Returns he said it much more interesting and better than you did which is why it is a good thing that you do not make movies and Tim Burton does because you would suck and make a gay sewer freak that you love so much. Pretty stupid. The Penguin is ****ing awesome. You need to grow up and move on from the 1960's comics and Adam West TV show or you will never be a true fan of the dark knight. Sucks to be you. Must I repeat myself? You do not understand that it is naive to say that The Penguin was a "Freak" character because the entire movie revolved around not ridiculing him like his parents did. I guess you were not mature enough to understand most of the movie and are more like The Penguin's parents in real life than The Batman like me. Anyways, Batman Forever sucked so stop double talking yourself because you just said it was good so next time just listen to me first before you play yourself ****** and Batman & Robin sucked too. Jack Nicholson ****ing rocked and Danny Devito was even better. It was not over the top that is who they are. If you directed the movies they would end on a pretty down note. Good thing Tim Burton saved The Batman univese because you make it gay with neon lights and Bat Nipples. The Penguin's speech was interesting to see a man brought down to an animal that he would care for The Penguins so much that he would talk to them as his only friends it is like the movie Cast Away before its time so you do not even like Cast Away so you had best be cast away from society since you kiss Val Kilmer's ass with your brown nose and suck on his bat nipples in a gay neon bar. Totally not like me, yo. The Penguin made one of the best speeches ever. Actually you can make an animal do what ever you want with proper mind control and they did tests like that in countries so you finally saw it my way and was able to admit that Batman Returns was very mature and realistic. Good *****. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are different and unloyal to the comics but Batman Returns is not in the same league as Batman Returns so your arguements are crippled and you are not credible as a human being for liking Batman & Robin. I am saying that Batman and Batman Returns are loyal to the comics and go down to their roots. I am not your man, that is Joel Schumacher so suck his dick and stay away from mine you butt ****er. Ho, read Detective Comics #27 and learn about The Batman. Then you can talk. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin sucked. Batman and Batman Returns did not suck and Micheal Keaton looked ****ing awesome. Micheal Keaton was 5'10. Micheal Keaton IS Batman.YOURE REDICULOUS! The Batman is ****ing awesome and I do not care what you say.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Stop the insults, dude. You are behaving like a 7 years old boy posting insults.

Hahahaha, that is pretty good. You are a true batman fan? You are acepting those unfaithful and unloyal batman films by tim burton and you are a true batman fan??. A true batman fan is the one who hates the four previous movies an understand that batman begins is the only one good and loyal movie. And the thing that we understand is that the burton movies were pretty bad movies, and unloyal to the characters, as the schumacher movies were.

Hahahaha, batman killing is true to the character. Man, what are you talking about??? Could you post more lies that the ones that you are posting??? Because your arguments are pretty false and laughables.

Batman forever sucked. Batman and robin sucked. Batman sucked. Batman returns sucked. Batman begins rules.

If burton wanted to do that, make another movie about another character. Not batman. Is like a director wants to do a movie about a 60 years old spider man. That isnt spider man or peter parker. Go and make another movie about another character.

Batman had control of the fight all the time?? That guy kicked his ass and he only could beat him tricking him. What movie did you see?

And dont post that stupid excuse about " the guy was the strongest of the jokers goons". That guy was only strong, batman is a master of all the fight styles and martial arts. He could beat that guy in 10 seconds or less.

Keaton was a terrible bruce wayne. He didnt look the part and his acting was goofy and stupid. Bruce wayne is a cool play boy, like kilmer or bale played him. Again, you need to read the comics.

Dont mix the things, batman begins is THE ONLY TRUE MOVIE to the batman character. The another four movies sucked in one way of another. I am not your "Dude", ******. I also do not post insults you just insult yourself and I just post the obvious. No need for thanks, *****. THATS SO PREDJUDICE AGAINST YOUNGER PEOPLES! You are behaving like a forty year old Jerry Springer soccer mom who deserves to get shot by degrading her fat McDonalds kids. I AM THE BATMAN FAN! I am accepting those faithful and loyal Batman films by Tim Burton and I am a true Batma nfan. A true Batman fan is the one who hates cheesy ass mother ****ers like you and loves Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins an understands that Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins are the only good and loyal movies. And the thing that we understand is that Tim Burton's movies were ****ing awesome movies, loyal to the characters, and Joel Schumacher and you sucking his dick suck. I am not your "Man", you pig ****er! Batman Killing is true to the character and I am talking about, as my own man because I am coo like The Batman, because I have read The Batman first comics so go down to his dark roots and spit the truth and I am still a man. A man that does not care about what other people think. My arguements are not arguements but the one truth and you fake laugh because you know that I am right and I am a man. Batman rocked. Batman Returns rules. Batman Forever sucked. Batman & Robin SUCKS! Batman Begins rocked. If Tim Burton did that it is called "Plagiarism" and you would be bitching and trying to convince that Tim Burton man is exactly like Batman you know what I say to be true. Peter Parker and Spiderman become sixty exentually so you should not do it about another character or it is pladgerism of Spiderman and not Spiderman. Go make a movie about Spiderman or you will ***** about it being like spiderman. Batman had control all the time and that man, not guy, only looked like he was kicking his ass and tricking him was not the only way but they used to to make The Batman 1989 movie interesting not gay like you. What movie did YOU see? You need to be specific, ******. I was not posting a stupid excuse I was posting a DUMBSTUPID reason, yo. A reason not an excuse. Get it right or pay the price, ho. It was true and I did not say he was the strongest goon I said he was the strongest man. This is Batman not the Goonies, ho. A true fan would know but I guess you will not be mature enough to learn from me. I'm cool like that, yo. That was not a guy that was a man, guy. He was strong and The Batman is master of all matial arts including deception. He COULD have beaten that man in ten seconds or less but kind of makes it interesting. Micheal KEaton was a fantastic Bruce Wayne and Batman. He made his part the new look and he was a charming PIMP and you are goofy and stupid. Bruce Wayne is a play boy and he played them because he's cool liek that, yo. Again, you must read the first comics to know that he was coming from the dark roots of The Batman instead of the big gay Batman of the 1960s you want me to read and be gay like you because you are jealous because I am cooo like that, yo. I am remixing things and if you are against it then you think Batman Begins sucks because Batman Begins was a new mix on the dark knight because The Batman did not kill in Batman Begins and that was not the original idea but a gimmick like Robin so if everyone listened to you we would all be stupid watching Joel Schumacher's rubber nipples and Batman Begins would not even exist. Batman Begins is not true to the original comics whether you like it or not and Batman and Batman Returns are THE ONLY TRUE MOVIES to The Batman character. The other two movies sucked in all ways like you. I love Batman Begins because it makes things new and remixed about Batman like Batman and Batman Returns and if you argue with me then you **** Joel Schumacher up the butt and hate Batman Begins. Yeah. That's right. FAKE LAUGH. NERD!!!!

Originally posted by bakerboy
Again, you are so full about batman returns and you even dont remember the movie. See the scene with bruce and selina in wayne manor, see when he go to the batcave and didnt remember it. See the scene in the elevator, he was a wuss, a total and insecure idiot. That isnt bruce wayne.

The scripters did a terrible job in batman and batman returns. Not origin, not enought character development, too much focus on the villains, bad lines, etc.

Yeah,batman and bruce wayne are different, but keaton didnt play any of them as they are in the comics. Again, I am so full of coolness and I remember Batman Returns. LOL! I am laughing in real life because he forgot which direction he was going around women in the first movie and the second movie so I was able to get where your coming from without you telling me because you are not clear and to the point like a ho and not like me PIMP. Selina Kyle said "I'm working" and Bruce Wayne was in the elevator and said "I'm leaving!". Again, it is funny so you have no arguement saying it is too dark because that was a funny part whether you like it or not. He was a man because he charmed her it is called PIMP not insecure idiot. I don't know what...you are...that was Bruce Wayne. You are some dork who does not know how to charm a woman. Yeah...that's it. The cripters did a fantastic job in Batman and Batma nReturns. They were not supposed to be about origin and in the original Batman comic books in Detective Comics #27 it does not start with origin it starts with the Batman film of 1989. Character development was excellent, focus on the villains gives them less of a villain-of-the-month type of deal and makes them more huamn and realistic, good lines, ect. Batman and Bruce Wayne are different and Micheal Keaton did play both of them as they are in the comics and better. It is called "Being original". If you make them exactly like the comics no one will like them because it has all been done before. Surrvival of the fittest and if you cannot move on with the rest of the world you be dead. If you hate Batman and Batman Returns you hate Batman and that makes you...DORK.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Yeah, the schumacher movies were pretty bad, as bad as the burton movies. But, bad actors??? Tommy lee jones is a bad actor??? Michael gough is??? Uma thurman is??? Pat hingle is???jim carrey is??? Their performances are bad, but they are very far to being bad actors.

Again, you are being a childish kid postin insults. Leave batman alone you, because defending the burton movies you are being everything but not a true batman fan. The Schumacher movies SUCKED. The Tim Burton movies ROCKED. If you perform bad you are a bad actor and I loved Micheal Gough in the Batman movies because he was more loyal to the title of Alfred than the Bruce Waynes and Batmans were and they were the main characters. Not tot ake ANYTHING away from Tim Burton. Most ****ed up saga ever thanks to Joel Schuamcher. Not to take ANYTHING away from Tim Burton. Do you even read the comics? You do not like people like people like Frank Miller or Bruce Timm? The Tim Burton movies are just that but more realistic on both accounts. You are no true Batman fan, you old fraud! Again, you be ****** who predjudice against younger peoples which automatically makes babies more mature than you because if you can't say nothing nice don't say nothing at all. You inslut yourself, ho. I defend the movies because I defend both Bruce Wayne and Batman because I AM A TRUE BATMAN FAN SAYING. LEAVE BATMAN THE **** ALONE ******!

Originally posted by bakerboy
Pimp , dont play his game. If he want to insults and being a chidish guy, fine for him. Now its a moderators issue. He pimp you ho. THIS AINT A GAME MOTHER ****ER! You inslut yourself, pizzaslut. I am not a "gy" like you are I am a MAN. a BIG STRONG MAN! DOUBLE BICEP POSE so you best stop insulting younger peoples or I beat you up, ******. GOOD FOR ME! Pfft, YOURE a moderators issue!

Originally posted by bakerboy
And you like batman and batman returns because you are even more ignorant and a untrue batman fan. Two face was a moron in batman forever. But the penguin was another moron in batman returns. And a lot of people didnt understand it, even the dc people and the warner bros people. Again with idiotic arguments. Man, the keaton potrayal of bruce wayne wasnt only goofy, it was too misterious. When someone meets bale or kilmer bruce wayne, thinks " an stupid rich man more". But when someone meets keaton bruce wayne thinks" too misterious to be a normal rich man". That is the unrealistic thin. Even a jerk would suspect that keaton wayne could be batman. But no of bale or kilmer, because they are behaving like the arrogant and typical rich play boy. I repeat, you are the one who needs sit down and see the movies again because you didnt understand the things. You are the one who sucks because your arguments are bullshit. Keaton didnt any powerful performance, only an stupid and comical one. Burtom wanted to do his own wolrd in batman , not the true portrayal of the character. He casted keaton for being his friend, not for being right for the character. Burton sucked as much as shumacher. The movies were unrealistic. Batman isnt old and short and out of sharpe and almost bald, the joker isnt fat and old and short and almost bald. The penguin isnt a retarded freak. Catwoman and penguin origins were too unrealistic. The scripts were pretty bad. Gordon was wasted. Batman was a killer and a bad fighter. his origin is unkowed and he is a supporting character. Etc, etc. AND ALL OF THAT IS TRUE TO THE COMICS??? or you have never read a comic or you must be joking. I like Batman and Batman Returns because I am not ignorant because I do not ignore what makes them great which makes me a true Batman fan and you an ignorant and untrue Batman fan. Except I got facts to back it up and you just got jibba jabba. You say because I love Batman that I am not a Batman fan? That means if I do not like Batman I am a true Batman fan so you do not even know what you are talking about anymore. You are not even a challenge to me anymore. I am not even trying. I'm cool like that, yo. Two Face is a moron in Batman Forever and that is why you like it because you can relate to him. The Penguin was not a moron and smarter than you and Two Face in Batma nReturns. Alot of people did understand it even DC COmics and Warner Brothers. Again with the again. Dude. You are like a broken record. Yeeesh...I am not your man, queer. Micheal Keaton's portrayal of Bruce Wayne and Batman was awesome and as Bruce Wayne it was not goofy but charming it was too mysterious and that was just enough mysterious. You have got the part down right about Val Kilmer being a stupid rich man but when they "Meet"...what the ****? Anyways, when they see Micheal Keaton on screen they think he is mysterious but if you are interacting with him in the first person you will see him as a millionaire playboy. The way it should be and it was with both Micheal Keaton and Christian Bale. That is a realistic thing because it happened. You are a jerk and you suspect Bruce Wayne is Batman but other people do not. Micheal Keaton and Christian Bale ****ing rokced. Who says Bruce Wayne is arrogant? A rich man was different in the 1940's, little man. Today they can behave like the arrogant rich playboy because Val Kilmer has experience but if you want to stay true to the comics you should stick with Micheal Keaton and Christian Bale. Who says Bruce Wayne is arrogant? Who says Bruce Wayne is typical? All they say in the original comics is that he is a milionaire playboy then you nod your head at Joel Schumacher's nipples and say they are true to the comics because you suck his nipples, *****. Read the first comics. Then you can talk, *****. I have sat down and saw the movies again and I understood them just like I did the first time when I was too years old, ******. I do not suck I rock because my arguements are the one truth and you are the bull's shit that I step in. Micheal Keaton had a powerful performence and a cool comical one you are the only one who is stupid because you cannot even spell "Burton" right! Couldn't be worse! Tim Burton wanted his own world to be like the dark roots of Batman unlike your butt buddy Val Kiilmer who is just there to look good. He did a true portrayal of the character and anyone who thinks otherwise is confused like the wangsta lil imp. I am not your man, butt ****er! Get over it. Yeesh....anyways, he casted Micheal Keaton because he could do any role you gave him no matter what and they just happened to be firneds and he knew that Micheal Keaton was right for any character. I know you are thanking your lucky starts that Tim Burton was friends with Tim Burton, pig ****er! Thank God. AKA Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton. You suck as much as Schuamcher for liking Batma nForever so much. Tim Burton does not suck he ROCKS and so do his realistic and dark portrayals of the dark knight in his Batman movies. Batman is not old, short, out of shape, and almost bald. The Joker is not fat, old, short, and almost bald. The Penguin is not a Retarded Freak. Catwoman and The Penguin's origins were realistic. The scripts were ****ing awesome. Commisioner Gordon was wasted in the original comics so if you hated the original movies you hate the original comics so you should just make a new character or give Spiderman and Superman nipples, you little dildo. The Batman is the killer and a good fighter. His origin is known next time pay attention to the first movie ho and he is the main character. Ect, ect, ect. All of that is true to the comics. I have read the comics and so you need to read the comics before you just keep going on and on with your gay rants. I look like I'm joking? You are learning from the master AKA me, young buck. Good *****. **** YOU ******! I repeat, Val Kilmer SUCKS! You SUCK!

Originally posted by bakerboy
Keaton sucked as bruce wayne.

De vito was a joke as the penguin, but it was more the script fault.

Batman in the comics is a hero and a detective, not a killer . he hates the murder. That is one of the main concepts of the charater.

The penguin concept is stupid. It would be a lot better if they went with the gangster concept. The tormented freak was only a bad copy of the elephant man or the movie freaks. And it didnt work because he wants to be a criminal sometimes and was too vicious to be related with him. It was weird , not tormented. Micheal Keaton rocked as Bruce Wayne. Danny Devito was not a wannabe Joker as The Penguin unlike The Riddler, Two Face, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze. The script had no fault. You have faults. Batman Returns was a brillaint script whether you like it or not. Batman in the comics is not a super hero in the ocmics he is a detective and a killer. He does not love nor hate murder it is just something he has to do. Watch the first Batman. The Batman being able to kill is one of the main concepts of the character. You must mean The Amazingly Unrealistic Spiderman or Supergayman. Go **** them up, ******. Anyways, The Penguin's concept is awesome. You are stupid. It would be alot better if they went with the gangster concept and that is what the yd di so shut the **** up, ho. The Penguin was more than a tormented freak and was not a bad copy of the elephant man or the movie freaks you **** cows in retrospec. It worked because it is not as simple as him wanting to be a criminal you just are too immatur e to understand where he is coming from. The Penguin was too vicious and that is vicious enough and that is a fact. It is not weird and it was tormented in reetrospec you are just a ***** who is too immature and cliche and follows society like The Penguin's parents and I am like Batman because I understand him along with the average two year old movie goer. I'm K7, *****.

Originally posted by bakerboy
You are posting crap again. Batman doestn needs to kill to be an outscast or a dark hero. he is dark and he is violent at times, not a killer. If he is a killer, he would be as bad as his parents killer. And that one of the main concepts of the character. He never uses guns or kills, he hates it. Batman begins portrayed this a a very brillaint way. And THERE ARENT ANY RELATION BETWEEN BATMAN AND GORDON IN THE CRAP BURTON MOVIES. gordon was only a fat and useless cop with any importance in the stories. THAT RELATION WAS ONLY IN BATMAN BEGINS.

THERE ARENT ANY REALISM IN THE BURTON MOVIES. PENGUINS IN A SEWER, CATWOMAN REVIVED BY CATS, PENGUINS WITH MISSILES AT HIS BACK, SELINE KYLE BEING A WOMAN WITH SUPER STRENGHT AND SUPER AGILITY AND WITH FIGHTING SKILLS WITH THE WHIP WITHOUT ANY TRAINNING, ETC. that is tim burton world, unrealistic and weird. You are posting crap again. I am not posting crap agian. The Batman is dark and violent all of the time and a killer. If he is a killer he is not as bad as his parents killer he is better because he serves justice for all you give gay Superman and Spiderman logic so leave Batman out of it or no one will love you. It is not one of the main concepts of the character because he killed in Detective Comics #27 you are just confused because I am a man who agrees that Batman Begins was a good movie but in its own right because like Tim Burton's movie of bringing a new dark mix on the dark knight Christopher Nolan's Batman did not kill and that is unloyal and untrue to the character but that does not mean that Batman Begins did not ****ing rock. Batman used a gun in Batman Begins so shut the **** up, ho. He loves it. Batman Begins portrayed this in a very brillaint way. And there is a relation betwen Batman and Commissioner Gordon in in the awesome Tim Burton movies. Commissioner Gordon was not fat he was just big boned and he was not a useless cop he was Commissioner Gordon with an importance in the story. That releation was only in Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. Not Batman forever, *****. There is more realism in the Tim Burton movies than reality. The Penguins are in a sewer because humans destroyed the enviornment. Catwoman may assume she was revived by cats just like you I guess you did not catch that with, ******. Penguins with missiles at their backs. You cannot even spell. Do not question Tim Burton's genius you would not begin to understand mind control of animals like they have done since the 1950s in other countries. Selina Kyle being a strong and agile woman with fighting skills using basic instinct after being awaken unlike the trained and puny minds of man, ect. That is The Batman world that Tim Burton blessed you with even though you are unthankful, unrealistic, and weird ho. The Batman does not need to kill or be an outcast to be a dark hero as proven in Batman Begins but it helps! It is also going back to his dark roots and if you want to be like that you must call Spiderman and Superman dark when they are gay so just write a Superman comic and leave Batman the **** alone. kthxbye

Originally posted by bakerboy
Nope, burton would made batman forever just as bad as schumacher did.

The batman franchise was dead since the first movie.

Keaton was short, unmuscular and almost bald.

Not, FALSE AND WRONG. bruce wayne was a total idiot by keaton, not only with woman, with alfred , etc.

That woman argument is moronic and the beavis and butthead thing is idiotic. Wayne is cool with women and he gets all the woman what he wants and dont needs to be a wuss. Bale and kilmer prooved it.

In a first film on a character, you needs to knows his origin to understand his motivations. Why this guy wears the cape and fights the crime?? But not, burton went and everything is about the joker and the freak penguin.

You are posting crap. Im not talking about feelings or being sad about the penguin. Im talking about characters , and the penguin a very awful character in tim burton hands. His plans were not logic at all, he wasnt any intelligent and his lines were crap. That " you are like the penguins parents" is only crap.

Gordon needs to be a important character in batman mithos and burton did of him an stupid and useless cop without any importance. That was one of the many faults of the burton movies.

Keaton looked as bruce wayne is??? And you claims that you are being a true batman fan? With that statment, you prooved that you arent. Read the comics, bruce wayne isnt an everyman, a short and almost bald and our of sharpe man. He is the opposite. Peter parker is a everyman, bruce isnt. Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible as batman and bruce wayne.You are a moron if you said that keaton is as good as bale. Bale is miles away better than keaton or kilmer or clooney. Keaton is 5'8 as much and is almost bald and isnt a play boy. Only a short man. You are the only nerd here claiming that you are a true batman fan and posting nonsense and false statments. Yup, Tim Burton would have made Batman Forever FAR, notice how I emphasize on "Far" youre shit dick ass, better than Joel Schumacher did. The Batman franchise was revived since the first movie. Micheal Keaton is not short, unmuscular, and almost bald. Micheal Keaton is tall, muscular, and not almost bald and regular bald. Yes, FALSE AND WRONG. Bruce Wayne was a total palyboy by Micheal Keaton with women. He was not a playboy with Alfred. *****, ho, queer, ect. The woman argument is moronic and the Beavis and Butthead thing is idiotic. DUMBSTUPID, yo. Because I'm cool like that, yo. Bruce Wayne is cool with women and he gets all the woman what he wants like Micheal Keaton and dont need to be a wuss. Micheal Keaton and Christian Bale proved it. Val Kilmer and George Clooney killed it. In a first film on a character, you needs to knows his origin and understand his motivations. Micheal Keaton is not a guy he is a man, guy. All your stupid questions prove you are complete retard and are all answered in the first Batman movie. You know what I say to be true. Tim Burton went and everything is about Batman, The Joker, The Penguin, and Catwoman. It is called "Main Characters", FREAK. You are posting crap. You are posting shit. I speak the truth. I spit the struth, *****. You do not have enough feelings and it is not simply feeling sad about The Penguin. And you're bitching again...and The Penguin was not very awful and very awesome character in Tim Burton's hands. Tim burton's plans were logical in every way you are not logical at all you do not even have proper grammar and just go ranting on and you are kind of weird. The Penguin was intellegent and his lines were not crap. You are crap. You are shit. That "You are like The Penguins" parents is the truth and you saying that is crap makes you like The Penguins parents so you are not only crap you are shit. Commissioner Gordon needs to be an I spell correctly so learn from me, ***** or you be dead and Tim Burton did him as a smart and useful Commissioner not cop like you say because your stupid moron idiot brain does not understand police ranks but you are the ho and I am PIMP STATUTS so there is not anything I can do about you being sadder than The Penguin with Commissioner Gordon having importance. The Tim Burton movies had no faults. There were no faults in the Tim Burton movies. You have many faults. Period. That was one of the many great things about the Tim Burton movies. He is not like you, guy. He is a MAN. Micheal Keaton looks just like Bruce Wayne did. I claim that I am The Batman True Fan. With that statement I prove that I am, *****. You are just a *****. All you do is *****, *****, ***** all day and I am a man and The Batman True Fan. I'm cool like that, yo. Sucks to be you. Anyways, I have read the comics and I know Bruce Wayne is not every man but he makes it seem that way. Every man was not short, bald, and out of shape in the 1980's thati s just people like you today in 2005. You give men a bad name. Micheal Keaton has honored the name a man and The Batman many times over this is true. Batman is the opposite of Superman and Spiderman so go **** them up the butt you dildo and leave Batman alone with your neon ligths and all that noise. You need to live up to the standards that Micheal Keaton and Bruce Wayne set and be an every day man like them tall, hairy, muscular man you just another nerd with a keyboard and saying we like you is an insult to any foo, thud, or soul man everywhere, *****. Anyways, Peter Parker is not every man he started out as a teenager so now you would also **** up Spiderman so read Superman you ****ing pussy and Bruce is every man and ever good man like there was back in the 1940's and if you think that you must be a ****ing Jap so shut the **** up afore I bomb yo ass, *****. Anyways, Micheal Keaton is a great actor, and was fantastic as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. I am not a moron for thinking Micheal Keaton was as good as Christian Bale. You are a moron for thinking Val Kilmer was as good as Christian Bale. Some kind of betterness is measured out in miles with Christian Bale and Micheal Keaton than Val Kilmer or George Clooney. Micheal Keaton is 5'10 as much has a full set of hair, and is a playboy. Plus a tall man. You are the only nerd here claiming that you are a true Batman fan and posting nonsense and false statements. I can spell statements, *****. Anyways, The Penguin is cool and not simply a freak and you are too immature to understand like I did when I was two years old because it was either done on purpose or it's just a movie and you probably shouldn't worry about it.

QUOTE=4854507]Originally posted by lil pimp
sevaenman all you do is talk about sucking di*k we can really care less about what you do in your free time. also why you wright so much crap nobody cares about you geek!! Other way around, MOTHER ****ER.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
All right, enough! I've been away too long, I guess. First off, I agree with Seven Man because Batman and Batman Returns were great and realistic movies and Keaton rocked. But I do agree with Baker Boy because Keaton did act just a bit too mysterious.
And Lil Pimp, you are getting on my 2nd to last nerve. If you think that people who don't like B&R and Forever because of the neon and what not are geeks, why do you continue to post replies? Is it that you are a geek yourself? Is it that you just don't want to admit your wrong? Or is it that you are just a *******! ~The rest of Bat Dude's sentence is not suitable for anyone's eyes~ Micheal Keaton acted mysterious to the audience but made the people around him oblivious to the fact that he was The Batman if you view the movie from the third person.

Originally posted by lil pimp
Bat Dude i dont want a problem with you the reason i said all that stuff to sevenman is because all he does is talk trash about other people. Also if you knew me you'll know im not a geek. Also the reason i keep replieing is because people like sevenman like to talk shit about other people which i believe aint right . Im not trying to say people dont like B&R or forever couse of the neon everyone else is saying they dont like it because of the neon!You know im going to be the bigger man and apologize to ya i lost my temper and said some mest up things so i apologize!!! Peace!! OMG STFU NOOB!!!!1

Im not going to stoop to your level you aint nothing but a ignorent fool you dont know me. im a boxer if i ever saw you ill knock you the **** out!one more thing sevenman stop trying to dis me you sound like a ****ing wangsta!!!

I just joined this BB fifteen minutes ago, and now that I have seen the quality of debate here, I am never setting foot in it again.

SUCK MY BALLS!

Originally posted by lil pimp
Im not going to stoop to your level you aint nothing but a ignorent fool you dont know me. im a boxer if i ever saw you ill knock you the **** out!one more thing sevenman stop trying to dis me you sound like a ****ing wangsta!!! Have at the sea rat.

you aint got no balls

You would know.

No but you bich like you dont have none

im tired as hell ill make you look dumb tomorrow

Yeah. That's right. RUN AWAY. Baby....

OMG!!! Enough all ready!!

You guys sound like 2 little 12 years trying to compare you D*** sizes!

Sevenman...I agree with you but don't stoop to his level. Let him continue to look like a foul mouth moron.....who cares what he thinks anyway...he seems to have very little taste.

Even Parker has backed off from this.

Hahahahaha. Good one, sevenchild. You have prooved again what childish and inmature you are. I have never seen a so big bunch of insults in a thread. Really, to discuss with a guy who isnt capable of post something without childish insults is totally impossible. The discussion is totally dead because you killed it with your behaving. It would be good if some moderator take a look here. For my part, this issue is finished. But i want to clear some points before:

I didnt like the schumacher movies. I hated batman forever and batman and robin. But i hated too batman and batman returns. I think that the only good batman film is batman begins.

And a advice for you, big seveman: if you arent incapable of controlling yourself, you have a serious problem here. We arent talking about your family or your friends, only about movies and cinema actors and directors. Relax, big boy, its only a forum. By for the moment.

Originally posted by sevenman
That'd be cool, right?
No, it would not..

For one, Batman would become a musical..
Secondly it would either be done in claymation or Jonny Depp would become Batman. The latter will kill us all..
Thirdly, being the "final Batman movie" and knowing Tim Burton like I do, you can expect on the soundtrack as one of the hit singles Spice Girl's "goodbye my friend" when Ginger left the group.

And fourth, just because he's big on the whole "dead" thing, he wouldn't stick to traditional Batman villains and depict Batman having to battle Solemon Grundy..

Look i apologized already ,but if this kid wanna start all over again then we start all over again!!!!!

Originally posted by Kieralinn
OMG!!! Enough all ready!!

You guys sound like 2 little 12 years trying to compare you D*** sizes!

Sevenman...I agree with you but don't stoop to his level. Let him continue to look like a foul mouth moron.....who cares what he thinks anyway...he seems to have very little taste.

Even Parker has backed off from this.

Actually that would be sevenman that has very little taste.Yeah I am backing off from this argument because sevenman is clearly living in denial that burtons batman movies totally butchered to death his character making him into a cowardly killer,plus he seems to have all day at home to do nothing but get on the internet and post messages.I dont have that kind of time to go read through all these insane ludicrise novels he writes so yes I am backing off this argument because like you said,this discussion has just turned into two little 12 year olds saying my daddy is better than your daddy,you suck,blah blah,blah.I am not going to participate in that kind of discussion.

Originally posted by sevenman
SUCK MY BALLS!

Have at the sea rat.

That folks is why I wont participate in this duscussion any longer.a poster who makes posts like this brings absolutely no credibility to their arguments.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Pimp , dont play his game. If he want to insults and being a chidish guy, fine for him. Now its a moderators issue.

Yeah Pimp,listen to bakerboy.Dont play his game,if he just wants to insult and act childish,just let him talk to himself.He is clearly on here just seeking attention so dont play his game by responding to his insane ludicrise ramblings.Let him go on and keep making himself look stupid like he has throughout this thread,he's not worth the time.

OK!!

His arguments are laughable anyways that the movie had any realisem in it anyways because as he is living in denial about,a realistic batman movie would have had the cops after him for murder of the joker and his goons at the end,regardless of their past actions,batman is not authorized by the police to go out and kill criminals like he did.Thats why batman begins rocks because it HAD realisem in it.Such as batman being wanted by the cops and being chased by the cops-the commissioner saying-Nobody takes the law into their own hands in my town.Plus as any true batman fan would know,Keaton was laughable as bruce wayne because he didnt even come close to fitting the role so because of that he brought no credibility to it.I remember people leaving the thaters back then outraged making comments like-man michael keaton sucked,he did not even look the role of bruce wayne,this movie sucked.Proof that keaton was a horrible choice. casting keaton for batman was like casting Burt reynolds in the new dukes of hazzard movie.a total joke because Reynolds doesnt even fit the role of Boss Hogg.same difference with keaton as batman.some people like sevenman live in denial about that though.

as I said earlier,the ONLY Batman movie made that was loyal to the comicbook is BATMAN BEGINS.thats it.

Originally posted by bakerboy
First of all, sevendude. Relax, boy, you are being pretty inmature and childish for insulting the people only for critizing the batman movies. Have you some mental problems or something? We arent talking about your family or friends, only about movies. If you are soo poor that you need to post insults in stead of arguments, the discussion is dead . Being something clever and post reasonable arguments not crappy and childish insults.

The best batman was bale, not keaton. I agree that kilmer and clooney sucked in their performances as well,but at least, kilmer looked the part and portrayed the bruce wayne character as he is in the comics. Keaton didnt any of those things.
Agree with shumacher gay tone, it was terrible.

Keaton was a terrible batman and a terrible bruce wayne.

The real dynamic duo is Nolan-Bale. They did the first good batman movie and very loyal to the comics, with a great script, great lines and great performances. The burton-keaton duo was terrible because they did batman and his world in his own way, his own and weird way, not as he is.

Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible in batman. The part isnt for him, he was a terrible casting choice.

Yeah, the dark tone was great, and the music. and michelle pfeiffer was catwoman. But everyting else in burton movies were crap.

Batman killing is awsonme? You have a very weird concept of the character. Batman is a detective and a heroe, not a killer. He hates the muder , because his parents were murdered. You should read the comics again to understand the character. Well, you and tim burton.

Michael keaton is short, out of sharpe and half bald. Look at him in mr mom or bettlejuice or johnny dangeroulsy.


Keaton and burton were pretty bad in the batman movies.

well said again bakerboy. great education lesson you gave him.hopefully he learned something from that.

Originally posted by bakerboy
You are posting crap again. Batman doestn needs to kill to be an outscast or a dark hero. he is dark and he is violent at times, not a killer. If he is a killer, he would be as bad as his parents killer. And that one of the main concepts of the character. He never uses guns or kills, he hates it. Batman begins portrayed this a a very brillaint way. And THERE ARENT ANY RELATION BETWEEN BATMAN AND GORDON IN THE CRAP BURTON MOVIES. gordon was only a fat and useless cop with any importance in the stories. THAT RELATION WAS ONLY IN BATMAN BEGINS.

THERE ARENT ANY REALISM IN THE BURTON MOVIES. PENGUINS IN A SEWER, CATWOMAN REVIVED BY CATS, PENGUINS WITH MISSILES AT HIS BACK, SELINE KYLE BEING A WOMAN WITH SUPER STRENGHT AND SUPER AGILITY AND WITH FIGHTING SKILLS WITH THE WHIP WITHOUT ANY TRAINNING, ETC. that is tim burton world, unrealistic and weird.

yeah thats laughable that he says batman needs to kill to be a dark hero or an outcast.Yeah if he was a killer,he would be as bad as his parents killer.no better.yeah those are great points why there is no realisem in burtons batman movies.yep tim burtons batman movies were just like most of his movies,unrealistic and weird.I like some of burtons movies such as edward scissorhands and ed wood,those were good quality movies,but batman and batman returns clearly were not.and actually bakerboy,batman did carry a gun in the beginning but thats how burtons batman movies betray the comic because in burtons batman movie he did not have a gun and by the time batman stopped carrying a gun in the comics,thats when he stopped killing and even when he did kill in the comics in the beginning it was only because of what i said earlier which was that he only does so when his life is in danger and no way out,he doesnt kill people in cowardly ways when its not unnessary like he did in burtons batman movies.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Stop the insults, dude. You are behaving like a 7 years old boy posting insults.

Hahahaha, that is pretty good. You are a true batman fan? You are acepting those unfaithful and unloyal batman films by tim burton and you are a true batman fan??. A true batman fan is the one who hates the four previous movies an understand that batman begins is the only one good and loyal movie. And the thing that we understand is that the burton movies were pretty bad movies, and unloyal to the characters, as the schumacher movies were.

Hahahaha, batman killing is true to the character. Man, what are you talking about??? Could you post more lies that the ones that you are posting??? Because your arguments are pretty false and laughables.

Batman forever sucked. Batman and robin sucked. Batman sucked. Batman returns sucked. Batman begins rules.

If burton wanted to do that, make another movie about another character. Not batman. Is like a director wants to do a movie about a 60 years old spider man. That isnt spider man or peter parker. Go and make another movie about another character.

Batman had control of the fight all the time?? That guy kicked his ass and he only could beat him tricking him. What movie did you see?

And dont post that stupid excuse about " the guy was the strongest of the jokers goons". That guy was only strong, batman is a master of all the fight styles and martial arts. He could beat that guy in 10 seconds or less.

Keaton was a terrible bruce wayne. He didnt look the part and his acting was goofy and stupid. Bruce wayne is a cool play boy, like kilmer or bale played him. Again, you need to read the comics.

Dont mix the things, batman begins is THE ONLY TRUE MOVIE to the batman character. The another four movies sucked in one way of another.

Yeah thats pretty funny bakerboy that he thinks he is a true batman fan when as you know,any true batman fan would not accept those horrible Tim Burton Batman movies and would hate all four of those bad batman movies made in the 90's and in 89.well said there. yeah batman begins is the ONLY true and loyal batman movie made as any true batman fan would know.burton made another movie about another characte,that wasnt batman.yeah like you said,that would be like making a spiderman movie with a guy is 60 years old,thats not a spiderman movie,same thing with batman.batmna isnt a guy who is a wuss that cant even beat one guy,is fat bald and out of shape,thats another character,thats not batman.the burton and schumacher batman movies were phony neautered versions just like you said.once again,very well spoker bakerboy.yeah batman could have beat that guy in 10 seconds or less if he wanted to,burton just made him into a wuss and that was inexcusable,he clearly does not understand batmans character like nolan did.thats why batman forever isnt near as bad as batman 89,at least schumacher did not make him into a wuss and cast someone who at least looks like bruce wayne and behaves like him.

yeah his arguments are false and laughable and not worth reading anymore.they are just a bunch of false lond winded novels with no credibility so they are not worth reading through anymore.we have disproven him countless of times here.no sense in keep playing his game by responding to his long insane posts anymore.

I believe batman 89 should of been called the joker because i thought jack nickolsan was great definetly cant say the same for batman in that movie.I dont know why people liked keaton and probably never will i mean he played beetlejuice that should tell you he wasnt good for bruce wayne.Batman returns wasnt bad but it also wasnt great Dany Devito was great for pingwen but they should of made him more of a pimp than a sewer rat.I loved batman forever and B&R was ok just ok not good or great so please dont get that mixed up and i was playing when i said B&R is better than BB, BB was a great movie but they could of done better with the scarecrow i mean he got beat by a damn tazer!Also im confused with BB which was the real ra's al gul the bald one or the one with hair?I pretty much like all the batman movies.

Right on my foe.You are so correct there.Thats exactly what batman 89 SHOULD have been called is The Joker.I mean for god sakes,the movie was all about The Joker with jack nicholson having the majority of the screentime and Batman having just a supporting role in it.Jack was a good joker but Keaton was definetly not a good Batman.I wouldnt say so much that because he played Beeteljuice that he should not have been cast for Batman,just that he didnt even come close to fitting the role.I can only say it so many times that that was the same as casting Burt Reynolds for the role of Boss Hogg in the dukes of hazzard.Insane and ludicrise because reynolds did not even come close to fitting the role so in both cases,neither actor brought any credibiltiy to their roles.The Keaton and burton apologists never will understand that though.keaton has been good in some other movies before such as jack Frost and desperate measures but he was clearly not the right choice for batman and was miscast in that role.Really the ONLY good thing that Burton did right in those movies was getting Danny Elfman to do the theme song and kim basinger and michelle phieffer,they were the ONLY good things about those movies.again I am very thankful that scumacher came along because he at least when he cast Kilmer,he cast someone aho at least came close to fitting the role and did not like like a wuss in a fight with goons and plus the special effects like the bat tunnel kilmer went through,the bat boat and the batplane were pretty damn cool.much cooler than any of the effects from the burton batman movies.Glad to hear you were just joking about batman and robin being better than batman begins.you had me worried there on that one.

I remember the theme song in 89 batman, i loved it! one of my favorite parts is at the end of batman 89 when hes on the edge of the building and the music is playing and the batsighnal was right next to him, i wish they had a poster of thatThey should of had that same music in BB!

I am sick and tired of this arguing about the same damn thing! Kilmer sucked as Batman, Keaton was a pretty bad Wayne. DEAL WITH IT! That's why you "physical apperance is more important than acting ability" people have Bale and Kilmer to drool on.

No! Keaton was a horrible Wayne get it right ! and even professional movie critics say kilmer was much better than Keaton ,do you got that!Plus we finished arguing about that a long time ago and what would you or any body else no about good acting!!!Learn your facts!

I think I have more of an idea of what acting ability is than you, quite frankly.

Ha! Let me tell you a little something batboy iv been in 4 plays in my school and i was lead roll in all of them and also most irresitable to the ladies cuz! What Up!!!!

So? This isn't school, little man. And besides, acting ability isn't always measured by how many roles you get.

It may not be school littleboy but so far im schoolin you.i have more acting skills in one toe than you have in you hole body. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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you spelled whole wrong.

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If BATMAN FOREVER Was Directed By Tim Burton As The Final BATMAN Movie---------------


It would've been good.. hehe.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I don't really give a shit if it was or wasn't straight up i liked both scumachers movies actually you know what I even liked batman and robin more than batman begins, my little cousin fell asleep through BB and he's a batman fanatic If you don't like it to bad and who knows i probably am out of my mind. What Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol, i see what you mean. i too thought BB was a bore fest. BUT, i liked BF, but not B&R. clooney sucked. i like keaton and burton films 10 times more then anything else.

all ill say is this. if burton made a 3rd film with riddler and 2 face and keaton as batman, i would have paid a billion dollars to see THAT. that would have been the shit.

Originally posted by Kelly Renee
If BATMAN FOREVER Was Directed By Tim Burton As The Final BATMAN Movie---------------


It would've been good.. hehe.

No Batman Forever would have sucked even far worse than it did if Burton had directed it.

Originally posted by lil pimp
No! Keaton was a horrible Wayne get it right ! and even professional movie critics say kilmer was much better than Keaton ,do you got that!Plus we finished arguing about that a long time ago and what would you or any body else no about good acting!!!Learn your facts!

Hell yeah he was a horrible Wayne,he acted NOTHING!!! at all the way Bruce wayne does.acting like a doofus who cant even remember what part of the mansion he is in and a bumbling idiot around Vickie Vale.Thas not Bruce Wayne.Bruce wayne is calm and cool with the women which is why Kilmer was the better Bruce wayne by far.He might not have been the better batman,but he was by far the better bruce wayne.He at least looked the part of bruce wayne and acted like him.Keaton,all he did was copy Chris Reeves performance of Superman as being goofy as Clark Kent and Macho as Superman instead of acting like Bruce wayne does.Deal with it folks,Keaton I can acknowledge was a good batman,but he was a HORRIBLE bruce wayne. some of these people need to learn the facts that the way keaton acted as bruce wayne,was NOTHING at all the way Bruce acts in the comics around women.

Like he said ,this argument ended a long time ago and the facts are keaton acted nothing at all like Bruce wayne does,Kilmer did.Keaton was a horrible Bruce wayne.Period.End of discussion.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Hell yeah he was a horrible Wayne,he acted NOTHING!!! at all the way Bruce wayne does.acting like a doofus who cant even remember what part of the mansion he is in and a bumbling idiot around Vickie Vale.Thas not Bruce Wayne.Bruce wayne is calm and cool with the women which is why Kilmer was the better Bruce wayne by far.He might not have been the better batman,but he was by far the better bruce wayne.He at least looked the part of bruce wayne and acted like him.Keaton,all he did was copy Chris Reeves performance of Superman as being goofy as Clark Kent and Macho as Superman instead of acting like Bruce wayne does.Deal with it folks,Keaton I can acknowledge was a good batman,but he was a HORRIBLE bruce wayne. some of these people need to learn the facts that the way keaton acted as bruce wayne,was NOTHING at all the way Bruce acts in the comics around women.

Like he said ,this argument ended a long time ago and the facts are keaton acted nothing at all like Bruce wayne does,Kilmer did.Keaton was a horrible Bruce wayne.Period.End of discussion.


omg, STFU already!! we all get you like bale better. Begins is an attempt to adapt the current Batman comics. Burton's were not. That's why everyone else loves Begins better, because it's an adaptation of today's Batman; the one everyone loves (and youngins only know). Burton did the early Batman; Bob Kane's n(IMO, the best time batman ever lived).

They are not comparable. not everyone likes BB. GET OVER IT. some People don't agree with you. STOP TRYING TO SAY EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU IS WRONG.

Your opinion does not equal fact. No matter how much you want it to be. You saying that BB is better and we're all wrong is pathetic because that's just your opinion. YOUR OPINION DOES NOT EQUAL FACT.

you just wasted all that time talking to yourself because I did not read a word of it.Looks like I got to repeat what I said earlier, this discussion ended a long time ago.My past post still applies.Keaton was a horrible choice for bruce wayne.again period.end of discussion.

For the last time, Keaton's Wayne did that in the mansion to break the tension between him and Vale! Jeez! And I definitely agree with Batman Returns, not everyone will agree with you and not everything you say is right.(Actually, everything you say is wrong....like Keaton sucks.)

Actually that was right!But you usually say stupid shit!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you just wasted all that time talking to yourself because I did not read a word of it.Looks like I got to repeat what I said earlier, this discussion ended a long time ago.My past post still applies.Keaton was a horrible choice for bruce wayne.again period.end of discussion.

AGAIN, its your opinion. i dont know why i bother sayin anything to you, your liek a little baby, haveing tantrums without any explanation to back it up. oh brother. the discussion will end when you stop flaming keaton. now shut up please

oh and bat-dude, i understand that, EVERYONE understand that, but mr. parker here is in denial and simply doesnt want to hear what we have to say, so dont waste your breath.

anyways, KEATON RULES!!

First of all, The forgeting things in his own house thing wasnt a joke, that wasnt the only thing that he forget. Alfred sometimes needs to remember him where are the entry of the bat cave. And remember him being an stupid with the How is bruce wayne? im not sure. That was stupid. Clearly, Keaton was playing his own bruce wayne in his own comedy style, making of him clone of Chris Reeve's clark kent, a insecure and goofy idiot.

Second of all, i dont know why certain people in those forums needs to be so childish and inmature and always go on insults and personal ofenses. We are talking here about movies, calm down , guys. If someone didnt like michael keaton as batman, he is in his right to critize it and the tim burton movies. That is free speech.

And not, keaton doesnt rule. Many people like mr parker and me thinks that keaton was totally wrong for the role of batman.

Originally posted by bakerboy
And not, keaton doesnt rule. Many people like mr parker and me thinks that keaton was totally wrong for the role of batman.

no. wrong. YOU think that he sucks. WE dont. I dont. so stop pickin on him. there IS a difference between letting ppl know who you like and sdeliberatly FLAMING AND TROLLING keaton simply cuz YOU dont like it. cant we all just get along and have our own opinions without toally obliterating someone's opinion themselves?? i can say PLENTY of **** about how BB was boring and lame and not Batman in MY eyes, and how i thought morgan freeman was such a loser in it and not needed to be Q, and how the batmopbile was stupid cuz they made it looklike a stupid SUV, and how there were so many stupid one liners and quips, BUT, because i am trying to be a considerate person that has some kind of respect for other members, i will not, i dont have too, cuz the burton films ARE good in the eye of the beholder, and just cuz YOU and stupid ass parker here got somethin nasty to say about EVERYTHING and flips over even the slightest critisism over BB and has to rant and rave like babies about how stupid you think they all are compared to the boring stupid BB doesnt mean everyone will "convert" to what you like. stop being asses, and grow up. post some "mature" posts and MAYBE, just MAYBE, we will show you some respect as well.

oh hell, you got me started, now, we'll play your game. and how was keaton being a "goofy idiot"???? WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM!! if you cant see that keaton was bein a serious badass crimefighter and a "goofy" wayne so that ppl wouldnt think he WAS batman, well then i guess you dont know who bruce wayne/batman is do ya? if you did, you would know that wayne was SUPPOSED to be a joke to ppl so that noone would even dream of thinking that he was batman, so whats your beef with keaton?? he was just doing what he was SUPPOSED to be doing!! dont know what your saying........ and his batman was more badass then bales BY A TON. why??? CUZ HE DIDNT FORCE HIS VOICE LIKE SOME IDIOT LIKE BALE DID WHO TRIED TO SOUND CLINT EASTWOOD-TOUGH!! if i encountered bales batman, i'd laugh my headoff!!! whispering and not being loud so everyone can here you is 100 more times scarier then hearing some guy in a suit go "GRRRRRRRRRR" like an ******* prtending to be a bat!!! damnit!! and keatons suit kicked more asses then bales, bale looked like a damn robot and that cloth cape!?????WTF!!! and why cant he cover himself up in the front like the comics batman like keaton could!!!??? WHHHYYYY!! that looks so awsome!!!

there are just too many problems with BB for me to take "seriously", especially when nolanm was tryin to create a "realictic" batman, but he coulcnt succeed as far as BATMAN is concerned. what a crock. i was sleepin by the halfway point!! wheres batman??? and when he WAS onscreen, where was the excitemtn that burton delivered?? where was the ACTION?? that batmopbile chase SUCKED, especially knowing it didnt even have to happen, you can TELL it was meant for a "joyride", and if nolan was going for "realism", he didnt have to even HAVE that dumb roof-jumping shit!! no point!! GAAHH!! it was pointless!!

whew, if i continue anymore complaing about how utterly BAD BB was, im likely to get a headache.

damnit, im tryin to be patient, but its so hard with all these baleheads trolling the boards.

Originally posted by bakerboy
And not, keaton doesnt rule. Many people like mr parker and me thinks that keaton was totally wrong for the role of batman.

Dont forget the pimp cuz.I also dont like keaton.

Originally posted by lil pimp
Dont forget the pimp cuz.I also dont like keaton.

you see, THIS kind of comment is what i call an "opinion", but when you bash keaton like parker and whoever, thats when it gets persoanl.

i dont know how old these "kids" are, but they obviosuly have no respect for the "Greats" of there past time. and what they brought to the character of Batman. no, im not talkin about clooney, hell, even kilmer had some on clooney

Originally posted by Batman Returns
no. wrong. YOU think that he sucks. WE dont. I dont. so stop pickin on him. there IS a difference between letting ppl know who you like and sdeliberatly FLAMING AND TROLLING keaton simply cuz YOU dont like it. cant we all just get along and have our own opinions without toally obliterating someone's opinion themselves?? i can say PLENTY of **** about how BB was boring and lame and not Batman in MY eyes, and how i thought morgan freeman was such a loser in it and not needed to be Q, and how the batmopbile was stupid cuz they made it looklike a stupid SUV, and how there were so many stupid one liners and quips, BUT, because i am trying to be a considerate person that has some kind of respect for other members, i will not, i dont have too, cuz the burton films ARE good in the eye of the beholder, and just cuz YOU and stupid ass parker here got somethin nasty to say about EVERYTHING and flips over even the slightest critisism over BB and has to rant and rave like babies about how stupid you think they all are compared to the boring stupid BB doesnt mean everyone will "convert" to what you like. stop being asses, and grow up. post some "mature" posts and MAYBE, just MAYBE, we will show you some respect as well.

Alright cuz im going to tell you why keaton sucked and dont worry im not going to mention the forgetting room part because that was a joke obviously , reason 1:He was to short for the part,reason2:No built reason 3: did not look intimidating in the costume,reason 4: has no chin which made him look funny in the cowl,reason 5: He also didnt use a batman voice which people seem to forget,reason 6:could not fight for shit,and reason 7:He never showed his good friendship with alfred,reason 8:He showed no emotion about his parents. I think theirs more but thats all i think of for now.You should really calm down its just a movie.

Lets see:

Dont use your opinion like a fact, because it isnt. You liked keaton and i didnt, is my opinion against yours, only opinions. There arent facts here , only opinions. And not, this isnt mr parker and miself opinon, is a lot of people opinion against another lot of people opinion. Dont try to make of your opinion the majority one.

Second, If you use the childish insults here again, i will stop arguing with you, because i wont take part of a childish battle of insults.

Third, Im not flamming anything. I only posting my opinion about the batman movies. And i think that the previous four batman movies sucked, burton sucked, schumacher sucked, keaton sucked, kilmer sucked and clooney sucked. And i think that batman begins was the only good batman movie and the more faithful to the comics source.

Four, Where did you get that keaton forgeting the rooms is a joke? Who said that? Are the others things on his stupid behaving jokes too?

Batman begins isnt a perfect movie, and not a 100% faithful movie, but is a great movie and explains batman origin and explores the character much much bettter than the other ones. Bale didnt force his voice, his voice sounds creepy and dark, just as batman should sound. If bale looked like a robot, keaton looked like a android. He was slow as hell and a terrible fighter. Bruce wayne is supposed to be a cool play boy, not a too misterious and goofy dumb ass as keaton played him. Even a idiot could put two and two together and thinks that he was batman. Meanwhile with Bale peformance, he was only an arrogant playboy, another rich man more.

Originally posted by lil pimp


reason 1:He was to short for the part,

this has been brought up to no end, and this is only nit picking. did it actually effect the movie itself? no, ppl still went to see it, and when he stood over his enemies like a badass mofo, did you really notice? no. and about a million other ppl didnt notice either. so how did that effect the movie negatively back then? it didnt, so its NOT A BIG DEAL. plus, keaton isnt as hsort as everyone preaches. hes 5'8. short, but not THAT short.


Originally posted by lil pimp
reason2:No built

he actually DID have a build, in fact, he took kickboxing lessons and even karate lessons 4 months prior to filming, so yeah, he DID know a thing or too, and WAS pretty damn built. not as built as bale, but built enough. again, did that effect the film itself??? no. so why bother mentioning this AGAIN? it didnt effect the film, so who cares? it really sounds liek your a youngin who his just repeating what he hears from other ppl; just cuz BB is the "new" movie.




Originally posted by lil pimp
reason 3: did not look intimidating in the costume

wrong. he DID look intimidating in the costume, FAR more then bale did. and yes, there are ppl who agree with me on this wholeheartedly. mainly, it comes down to opion on this one, so just say "its my opinion that he looks balh blah". seriosuly, you sound like your ripping these comments off from other ppl, are you like a 12 year old or something?

Originally posted by lil pimp
reason 4: has no chin which made him look funny in the cowl

OMG, this is so funny!! bales total LACK of chin made him look like "peach jaw", hell, ppl have even said he looks like jay leno in the cowl!! and bales cowl tried to emphasize bales lack of chin, and made it look even worse!! HAHAHAHAHA!! CANT believe you even mentioned THAT one, LOL, its so wrong!! keaton had those awsome lips and had a very charaterized facial features that made him look more inimidating, bale looked like val kilmer syndrome, aka "babyface" in the cowl, lol, with those powty lips. keaton looks like a MAN in the cowl, not a girl.

Originally posted by lil pimp
reason 5: He also didnt use a batman voice which people seem to forget

he DID use a batman voice. he sounded NOTHING like he did when he's bruce wanye. BOY, have you even seen B89 or BR??? maybe you should go watch it again.......rolleyes:

Originally posted by lil pimp
reason 6:could not fight for shit

umm he fought fine? he took kickboxing lessons and karate lesson, like ive stated, and had some KICKASS fights, like in the cathedral. unlike bales batman, keatons batman crashed, STILL got up, walked up a flight of stairs, almost gpt crushed by a bell, and got beat up by a black guy and STILL came out on top!! unlike bales batman, burton showed that batman was indeed HUMAN, and not some mindless tool like nolan made bales batman into. i mean, he made batman boring!! and oh boy, heres the big one where i prove your utterly WRONG: unlike bales batman, you could actually SEE keatons batman fight the thugs!!! BB had such bad fiught editing, you coudlnt make out what was what!!! how could i even tell bale was doing karate??? I COULDNT EVEN SEE WHAT THE **** WAS GOING ON!! horrible. keatons fights and fight sequences still rules. : how could they possibly get THAT wrong, and B89 is older!! they should know better!! its sad.......but your wrong.



Originally posted by lil pimp
7:He never showed his good friendship with alfred

umm yes he did. he talked to alfred countless times and you didnt have to know any of that "alfreds histiry" BS that was ever so presnt in BB. when alfred is talking to bruce and vicky at dinner telling them tales of him and bruce and funny little things like that, you KNOW there is a relationship, that showed it plenty, you didnt need an hourlong discussion. plus, alfred in BB was not AS close to bruce as he was in B89!!! alfred played the same role in BB as the others, comic relief and some wise advice at times. there is no difference. again, your nitpicking, and its pissing me off, cuz its not even accurate.

Originally posted by lil pimp
reason 8:He showed no emotion about his parents.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! HE SHOWED sooo MUCH EMTION TOWRDS HIS PARENTS DEATH!!! WTF!!! he looks at newpapares constantly, lies to vicky that hes going away so he can visit his parents death scene (with the roses like in the comics, mind you), and he has that fglashback near that end of the movie that was doneSOOOOOOO well, WAAAAY better then what BB did with THAT scene, it was so stupid!! they die and he says "dont be afraid", so what?? wheres the emotion??? wheres the sense of scaredness?? it wasnt present!! it was weak!! in B89, thanks to the superb directing of burton, it was done perfectly to a T.

i swear, most of your so called "reasons" are more of a matter of opinion, not fact, and damn, your "opinoons" suck hard, not to mention they are just not true.


Originally posted by lil pimp
I think theirs more but thats all i think of for now.

and i bet theres a ton of **** i havent even begun to touch on BB either.

Originally posted by lil pimp
You should really calm down its just a movie.[/QUOTE

this is a very hypocritical statement, as you seem to feel the same way i do. you put down the films and then say "its just a movie". obviously not to you.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see:

Dont use your opinion like a fact, because it isnt. You liked keaton and i didnt, is my opinion against yours, only opinions. There arent facts here , only opinions. And not, this isnt mr parker and miself opinon, is a lot of people opinion against another lot of people opinion. Dont try to make of your opinion the majority one.

Second, If you use the childish insults here again, i will stop arguing with you, because i wont take part of a childish battle of insults.

Third, Im not flamming anything. I only posting my opinion about the batman movies. And i think that the previous four batman movies sucked, burton sucked, schumacher sucked, keaton sucked, kilmer sucked and clooney sucked. And i think that batman begins was the only good batman movie and the more faithful to the comics source.

Four, Where did you get that keaton forgeting the rooms is a joke? Who said that? Are the others things on his stupid behaving jokes too?

Batman begins isnt a perfect movie, and not a 100% faithful movie, but is a great movie and explains batman origin and explores the character much much bettter than the other ones. Bale didnt force his voice, his voice sounds creepy and dark, just as batman should sound. If bale looked like a robot, keaton looked like a android. He was slow as hell and a terrible fighter. Bruce wayne is supposed to be a cool play boy, not a too misterious and goofy dumb ass as keaton played him. Even a idiot could put two and two together and thinks that he was batman. Meanwhile with Bale peformance, he was only an arrogant playboy, another rich man more.

alright, that whole post was as pointless (as wlays) and just goes to show: YOU suck.

you constantly put down the burton films and give no valid reasons WHY they suck, and when i give valid reasons why I didnt like it or WHY your wrong, you never post anything except immature things like "yeah yeah yeah yeah well i STILL think the old films suck!! so there, ya big bully!!"

oh BROther. you need to learn some manners around here, and learn how to write somehat HALF decent posts that arent childish banter.

any saying "yeah keaton sucks, hes a dork, bale is god, blah blha bnlah", thats not intelligent, its stupid, and your lack of knowldge on the older films and keaton as a whole and your "baby talk" posts, like parkers, have lost my respect.

thank you for playing! come again soon to be owned by you know who!!

Originally posted by Batman Returns
this has been brought up to no end, and this is only nit picking. did it actually effect the movie itself? no, ppl still went to see it, and when he stood over his enemies like a badass mofo, did you really notice? no. and about a million other ppl didnt notice either. so how did that effect the movie negatively back then? it didnt, so its NOT A BIG DEAL. plus, keaton isnt as hsort as everyone preaches. hes 5'8. short, but not THAT short.




he actually DID have a build, in fact, he took kickboxing lessons and even karate lessons 4 months prior to filming, so yeah, he DID know a thing or too, and WAS pretty damn built. not as built as bale, but built enough. again, did that effect the film itself??? no. so why bother mentioning this AGAIN? it didnt effect the film, so who cares? it really sounds liek your a youngin who his just repeating what he hears from other ppl; just cuz BB is the "new" movie.






wrong. he DID look intimidating in the costume, FAR more then bale did. and yes, there are ppl who agree with me on this wholeheartedly. mainly, it comes down to opion on this one, so just say "its my opinion that he looks balh blah". seriosuly, you sound like your ripping these comments off from other ppl, are you like a 12 year old or something?



OMG, this is so funny!! bales total LACK of chin made him look like "peach jaw", hell, ppl have even said he looks like jay leno in the cowl!! and bales cowl tried to emphasize bales lack of chin, and made it look even worse!! HAHAHAHAHA!! CANT believe you even mentioned THAT one, LOL, its so wrong!! keaton had those awsome lips and had a very charaterized facial features that made him look more inimidating, bale looked like val kilmer syndrome, aka "babyface" in the cowl, lol, with those powty lips. keaton looks like a MAN in the cowl, not a girl.



he DID use a batman voice. he sounded NOTHING like he did when he's bruce wanye. BOY, have you even seen B89 or BR??? maybe you should go watch it again.......rolleyes:



umm he fought fine? he took kickboxing lessons and karate lesson, like ive stated, and had some KICKASS fights, like in the cathedral. unlike bales batman, keatons batman crashed, STILL got up, walked up a flight of stairs, almost gpt crushed by a bell, and got beat up by a black guy and STILL came out on top!! unlike bales batman, burton showed that batman was indeed HUMAN, and not some mindless tool like nolan made bales batman into. i mean, he made batman boring!! and oh boy, heres the big one where i prove your utterly WRONG: unlike bales batman, you could actually SEE keatons batman fight the thugs!!! BB had such bad fiught editing, you coudlnt make out what was what!!! how could i even tell bale was doing karate??? I COULDNT EVEN SEE WHAT THE **** WAS GOING ON!! horrible. keatons fights and fight sequences still rules. : how could they possibly get THAT wrong, and B89 is older!! they should know better!! its sad.......but your wrong.





umm yes he did. he talked to alfred countless times and you didnt have to know any of that "alfreds histiry" BS that was ever so presnt in BB. when alfred is talking to bruce and vicky at dinner telling them tales of him and bruce and funny little things like that, you KNOW there is a relationship, that showed it plenty, you didnt need an hourlong discussion. plus, alfred in BB was not AS close to bruce as he was in B89!!! alfred played the same role in BB as the others, comic relief and some wise advice at times. there is no difference. again, your nitpicking, and its pissing me off, cuz its not even accurate.



EXCUSE ME!!!!! HE SHOWED sooo MUCH EMTION TOWRDS HIS PARENTS DEATH!!! WTF!!! he looks at newpapares constantly, lies to vicky that hes going away so he can visit his parents death scene (with the roses like in the comics, mind you), and he has that fglashback near that end of the movie that was doneSOOOOOOO well, WAAAAY better then what BB did with THAT scene, it was so stupid!! they die and he says "dont be afraid", so what?? wheres the emotion??? wheres the sense of scaredness?? it wasnt present!! it was weak!! in B89, thanks to the superb directing of burton, it was done perfectly to a T.

i swear, most of your so called "reasons" are more of a matter of opinion, not fact, and damn, your "opinoons" suck hard, not to mention they are just not true.




and i bet theres a ton of **** i havent even begun to touch on BB either.

Originally posted by lil pimp
You should really calm down its just a movie.




First of all these are my opinions , i dont take shit from other people so watch what you say,seconed of all b89 and br are good movies i just dont like keaton how many times do i have to say that! and watch b89 again couse i just saw it 15 minutes ago and keaton does not use a batman voice and just before you say im praising bb dont couse thats not my favorite batman movie,Guess what i just remembered keaton was half bald too almost forgot to mention that one.I really dont think you want to mess with me cuz i will make you look stupid just like i did to sevenman(long story),but please i dont think you want to get made fun of by a 14 year old so watch what you do , plus all that arguing gets annoying after a while.So lets all grow up!

Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see:

Dont use your opinion like a fact, because it isnt. You liked keaton and i didnt, is my opinion against yours, only opinions. There arent facts here , only opinions. And not, this isnt mr parker and miself opinon, is a lot of people opinion against another lot of people opinion. Dont try to make of your opinion the majority one.

Second, If you use the childish insults here again, i will stop arguing with you, because i wont take part of a childish battle of insults.

Third, Im not flamming anything. I only posting my opinion about the batman movies. And i think that the previous four batman movies sucked, burton sucked, schumacher sucked, keaton sucked, kilmer sucked and clooney sucked. And i think that batman begins was the only good batman movie and the more faithful to the comics source.

Four, Where did you get that keaton forgeting the rooms is a joke? Who said that? Are the others things on his stupid behaving jokes too?

Batman begins isnt a perfect movie, and not a 100% faithful movie, but is a great movie and explains batman origin and explores the character much much bettter than the other ones. Bale didnt force his voice, his voice sounds creepy and dark, just as batman should sound. If bale looked like a robot, keaton looked like a android. He was slow as hell and a terrible fighter. Bruce wayne is supposed to be a cool play boy, not a too misterious and goofy dumb ass as keaton played him. Even a idiot could put two and two together and thinks that he was batman. Meanwhile with Bale peformance, he was only an arrogant playboy, another rich man more.


Very well spoken Bakerboy.Yeah like you said,this isnt just my opinion and yours and Pimps,many people dont like Keaton as batman such as dark age and Leafar who not too long ago made threads pointing out how he was a bad choice for the role because of his physical build as well because of the fact that he doesnt even come close to resembling the role of bruce wayne.The fact that so many people have posted over the years outraged over the horrible casting choice of keaton proves he was such a bad choice.Many people dont like him because Boy you got that right about batman begins,it was the only one that was faithful and true to the comics.Boy you can say that again,if Bale looked like a robot then Keaton for sure looked like an andriod.You can point out to people like batman returns only so many times that keaton was a horrible choice for the role because of how he didnt even come close to fitting the role they will never get that.Like you said so well,Batman doesnt act like a doofus and say stupid stuff like when asked if he is bruce wayne,-Im not sure,then later say-Yeah Im sure I am bruce wayne,this time I am sure,god how stupid.that is so unbatman.That isnt all keatons fault though,its the fault of that idiot director Burton telling him to act like that.Thats why Burton is even more of an idiot than shumacher because scumacher at least cast an actor who looked the part and acted like bruce wayne,but Bales Performance was much better than Kilmers and a lot to do with that is he had a much better and serious script to work with showing how he is smooth with the women and suave,not the rambling dolt that keaton was which like you said,was just a copy cat performance of Chris reeves superman.totally unoriginal.Kilmer at least acted like Bruce wayne.Keatons batman was horrible because like you said,he was slow as hell and a terrible fighter and cowardly killer.those are just a few of the reasons why Keaton and burton suck and why Burton should never have been allowed near a batman franchise.

all of what this joker batman returns says is a joke anyways.I dont go out and just say Keaton and Burton sucked,I give my REASONS for why they suck and why Burtons Batman movies sucked even worse than schumachers Batman forever did.

Really Pimp and Bakerboy,I would not respond to this batman returns guy anymore,he just engages in childish name calling and insults.Even batdude in his discussions,he can be irritating to me,but he at least doesnt stoop to his level of acting chilidish with insults and name calling.Plus this discussion ended a long time when we proved many times why Burtons Batman movies were so horrible so why are we still here participating in a discussion that ended like a week ago,that makes no sense?

Originally posted by lil pimp
First of all these are my opinions , i dont take shit from other people so watch what you say,seconed of all b89 and br are good movies i just dont like keaton how many times do i have to say that! and watch b89 again couse i just saw it 15 minutes ago and keaton does not use a batman voice and just before you say im praising bb dont couse thats not my favorite batman movie,Guess what i just remembered keaton was half bald too almost forgot to mention that one.I really dont think you want to mess with me cuz i will make you look stupid just like i did to sevenman(long story),but please i dont think you want to get made fun of by a 14 year old so watch what you do , plus all that arguing gets annoying after a while.So lets all grow up!

Pimp he has no credibility in his posts,he is just like sevenman,he cant get into a discussion without attacking people when they say Burton and keaton suck even though you list your REASONS for why they suck so I would not waste anymore time with his childish posts anymore. Hell yeah Keaton was half bald.He was a short runt as well who is no taller than Kim Basinger,that was a laughable joke for a batman movie but some people just cant get it through their heads though that Burton did not care about making the best casting choice possible,that he only cast Keaton because he was friends with him.yeah you sure put that sevenman guy in his place and batman returns would do well to not mess with you because I have no doubt you will humiliate him just like you did with sevenman.But as I said,this discussion ended a long time ago so its really pointless to continue a discussion that ended so long ago.

didnt read those stupid posts, why keep talking to yourself!?? like ive said, YOU'VE LOST MY RESPECT. ive njow put you on my ignore list, thanks!! run off now with your little childish remarks and flames!!

i dont think now has a j in it.just saying.