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I'm going to quickly explain how easy it is to proove the USA is controlled by the Illuminati royal families.

Who owns your Federal Reserve bank? The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellars do.

What forms the United States domestic and foreign policy and virtually runs the United States? The Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Comission, Bilderberg group and the especially the Royal Institute on International Affairs based in London, do.

Who control those groups I mentioned above? The Rockefellars, Rothschilds, Wargurds, Haspburgs do.

Who owns most of Americas TV network? The Rockefellars do through their TV network monopolies such as Columbia Broadcasting.

Who owns most, if not all of Americas oil companies? The Rockefellars do through their oil monopoly - Standard Oil Ltd.

Who owns most news and media networks in the US? The Rockefellars do through monopolie's such as Columbia Broadcasting.

Who owns all the newspaper companies in America? Again... the Rockefellars.

... Are you still wondering why you've never heard any of this?

Who controls the major scientific, medical, historic and other such fields in the United States? The Rockefellears do through the Rockefellar Foundation which has hundreds of billions to spend.

Here's a list of most of the institutions and organizations directly controled through Rockefellar Foundation revenue...

Academy for Contemporary Problems.
Africa Fund.
Agency of International Development.
Albert Previn Foundation.
Alliance Israelite Universalle.
American Civil Liberties Union
American Council of Race Relations.
American Defense Society.
American Press Institute.
American Protective League.
Anti-Defamation League.
Arab Bureau.
Arab Higher Committee.
ARCA Foundation.
Armour Research Foundation.
Arms Control and Foreign Policy Caucus.
Arthur D. Little, Inc.
Asian Research Institute.
Aspen Institute.
Association for Humanistic Psychology.
Augmentation Research Center.
Baron De Hirsh Fund.
Battelle Memorial Institute.
Berger National Foundation.
Berlin Center for Future Research.
Bilderbergers.
Black Order.
Boycott Japanese Goods Conference.
British Newfoundland Corporation.
British Royal Society.
Brotherhood of Cooperative Commonwealth.
Bureau of International Revolutionary Propaganda.
Canadian Jewish Congress.
Cathedral of St. John the Divine, New York.
Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences.
Center for Constitutional Rights.
Center for Cuban Studies.
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Center for Democratic Institutions.
Center for International Policy.
Center for the Study of Responsive Law.
Christian Socialist League.
Cini Foundation.
Club of Rome.
Cominform.
Committee for the Next Thirty Years.
Committee of Fourteen.
Committee on National Morale.
Committee to Frame A World Constitution.
Communist League.
Congress of Industrial Organizations.
Council on Foreign Relations.
David Sassoon Company.
De Beers Consolidated Mines.
Democratic League of Brussels.
East India Committee of 300.
Economic and Social Control (ECOSOC).
Environmental Fund.
Environmetrics Inc.
Esalen Institute.
Fabian Society.
Federation of American Zionists.
Fellowship for a Christian Social Order.
Fellowship of Reconciliation.
Ford Foundation.
Fordham University Institution Educational Research.
Foundation for National Progress.
Garland Fund.
German Marshall Fund.
Governing Body of the Israelite Religious Community.
Gulf South Research Institute.
Haganah.
Harvard University.
Hells Fire Club.
Horace Mann League.
Hudson Guild.
Hudson Institute.
Hudson Bay Company.
Imperial College University of London.
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Industrial Christian Fellowship.
Institute for Brain Research.
Institute for Pacific Relations.
Institute for Policy Studies.
Institute for Social Research.
Institute for the Future.
Institute for World Order.
Institute on Drugs, Crime and Justice.
Inter-Alpha.
Inter-American Social Development Institute.
International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Interreligious Peace Colloquium.
Irgun.
Knights of Malta.
League of Nations.
Logistics Management Institute.
London Board of Deputies of British Jews.
London School of Economics.
Mary Carter Paint Company.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Mellon Institute.
Metaphysical Society.
Milner Group.
Mocatto Metals.
Mont Pelerin Society.
NAACP.
National Action Research on Military/lndustrial Complex.
National Center for Productivity Institute.
National Council of Churches.
National Opinion Research Center.
National Training Laboratories.
New Democratic Coalition.
New World Foundation.
New York Rand Institute.
NORML.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
Odd Fellows.
Order of St. John of Jerusalem.
Order of The Golden Dawn.
OXFAM.
Oxford Univac.
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Pacific Studies Center.
Palisades Foundation.
Peninsula and Orient Navigation Company.
PERMINDEX.
Princeton University.
Rand Corporation.
Rand School of Social Sciences.
Research Triangle Institution.
Rhodes Scholarship Committee.
Rio Tinto Zinc Company.
Riverside Church Disarmament Program.
Round Table.
Royal Institute for International Affairs.
Russell Sage Foundation.
San Francisco Foundation.
Sharps Pixley Ward.
Social Science Research Council.
Socialist International.
Socialist Party of the United States.
Society for Promotion of Study of Religions.
Society of Heaven (TRIADS).
Soviet State Committee for Science and Technology.
Stanford Research Institute.
Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Sun Yat Sen Society.
Systems Development Corporation.
Tavistock Institute of Human Relations.
Tempo Corporation.
The High Twelve International.
The Public Agenda Foundation.
The Quality of Life Institute.
Theosophist Society.
Thule Society.
Transatlantic Council.
Trilateral Commission.
U.S. Association of the Club of Rome.
U.S. Institute for Peace.
Union of Concerned Scientists.
UNITAR.
University of Pennsylvania Wharton School.
Warburg, James P. and Family.
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Western Training Laboratories.
Wilton Park.
Women's Christian Temperance Union.
Wong Hong Hon Company.
Work in America Institute.
World Council of Churches.
Arab Bureau.
Aristotelian Society.
Asian Research Institute.
Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation.
British American Canadian Corporation.
Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
Cambridge Apostles.
Canadian Histadrut Campaign.
Canadian Pacific Ltd.
Caribbean-Central American Action Group.
China Everbright Holdings Ltd.
Chinese People's Institute of Foreign Affairs.
Council of South America.
Endangered Peoples' Society.
English Property Corporation Ltd.
Hospice Inc.
International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
International Red Cross.
Jerusalem Foundation, Canada.
Kissinger Associates.
Kowloon Chamber of Commerce.
Organization of American States.
Overseas Chinese Affairs Committee.
Radio Corporation of America (RCA).
Royal Police of Hong Kong.
YMCA.

The Rockefellars are the "bloodline branch managers" of the United States on behalf of the British royal family who are at the top of the Illuminati Satanic heirachy just like the oppenheimers are for Africa.

The British Empire took over the world then pretended to give back the colonies it forcibly took over their soverighnty while leaving behind their secret society networks and bloodlines to manage that country on behalf of the Illuminati royals thats why people all other the world in positions of power and easily tracable to European royalty.

Wow, you're sure as hell not controlled. Look at how much of a sheep you're not.

Whoa, they've not been able to trick you into believing everything so they've done the next best thing. Outsmarted you into believing nothing.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wow, you're sure as hell not controlled. Look at how much of a sheep you're not.

Whoa, they've not been able to trick you into believing everything so they've done the next best thing. Outsmarted you into believing nothing.

-AC

non of that makes any sense.

>.> I actually beleive a little bit of it

If I believed in what Novusordo was spewing, I'm not so sure I wouldn't welcome it. The whole world under the control of one group. Societies of the world working to one common goal. Differences disappear and we all become the same. Doesn't that sound lovely? I'm not so sure I see the problem. If freedom is just an illusion as he states, why not have someone lead us by controlling every aspect of our lives? It sure would solve many of the world's problems.

Originally posted by Dogbert
>.> I actually beleive a little bit of it

How can you not?

I just can't make this stuff up, really...

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
If I believed in what Novusordo was spewing, I'm not so sure I wouldn't welcome it. The whole world under the control of one group. Societies of the world working to one common goal. Differences disappear and we all become the same. Doesn't that sound lovely? I'm not so sure I see the problem. If freedom is just an illusion as he states, why not have someone lead us by controlling every aspect of our lives? It sure would solve many of the world's problems.

I see some hope within you, Oswald

I know for a fact their goal of a One World Order single world government cashless microchipped society is NOT benificial, enjoyable or anything positive simply becuase I know that the people, or should I say, the energy, that is mobilizing this system into reality is obsessed with Satanism, the dark side of the occult, blood ritual and has a total lack of empathy for the billions of victims that have suffered from the hundreds of their manufactured and instigated wars, conflicts and genocides and "terroist" incidents like 9/11.

Their evil, evil bastards.

Ahhh... but once the world is united, an overthrow of the group is much more plausible. Though the intentions may be evil, much good can come of it.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Ahhh... but once the world is united, an overthrow of the group is much more plausible. Though the intentions may be evil, much good can come of it.

Nope, an otherthrow is absolutely impossible.

The reason the Illuminati diden't create this goal thousands of years ago is becuase the technology has only reached the stage of advancment these past couple of years and still isen't even quite their yet.

The reason an otherthrow/rebelion will be impossible is becuase not only will the microchip enable them to automaticly kill you with the touch of a button but no one will even try because of the cashless society where credit on your implanted microchip is the only credit/cash system there is and they can cease your credit whenever they like. Ultimate control. Bad monkey no bannana, so to speak.

Imagine 1930's style Nazi Germany but one million times worse. That's the New World Order.

and it will happen unless we throw a spanner in the works

Originally posted by Deano
and it will happen unless we throw a spanner in the works

i.e wake up and then wake others up too.

The wake up is gaining momentum daily and it's like a huge tidal wave at the moment. Deano you remember the conversation you send me of David Icke and Alex Jones? Both said people around them that woulden't have any of it are now telling them they believe it.

The 100th monkey syndrome is kicking in BIG TIME and for once in years I have a strong hope that we will wake up in time.

Originally posted by Novusordo
i.e wake up and then wake others up too.

The wake up is gaining momentum daily and it's like a huge tidal wave at the moment. Deano you remember the conversation you send me of David Icke and Alex Jones? Both said people around them that woulden't have any of it are now telling them they believe it.

The 100th monkey syndrome is kicking in BIG TIME and for once in years I have a strong hope that we will wake up in time.

yeh all you gotta do is plant the seed and even if people laugh at it or dismiss it.it doesnt matter beacuse as future events unfold, things that was said before strikes a chord and people start to wake

Great we have another Deano on our hands.

its so so easy for them to control the billions of people

Originally posted by KidRock
Great we have another Deano on our hands.

enjoy it
its for your benefit

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wow, you're sure as hell not controlled. Look at how much of a sheep you're not.

Whoa, they've not been able to trick you into believing everything so they've done the next best thing. Outsmarted you into believing nothing.

-AC

I agree with AC for once.


Originally posted by Deano
enjoy it
its for your benefit

I have better and more productive things to do..like wipe my ass.

Originally posted by KidRock
I agree with AC for once.




I have better and more productive things to do..like wipe my ass.

let george bush do that for you

Originally posted by Deano
let george bush do that for you

He can if he wants to since he is real unlike the "illuminati"

Originally posted by KidRock
He can if he wants to since he is real unlike the "illuminati"

a real jerk yeah


actually my dear boy..the illuminati are real and that is a fact

the conspiracy is that they continue to live on and pull the strings from behind the scenes
many politicians have mentioned them in breath

Originally posted by Deano
a real jerk yeah


actually my dear boy..the illuminati are real and that is a fact

the conspiracy is that they continue to live on and pull the strings from behind the scenes
many politicians have mentioned them in breath

Ok Deano ok, keep on thinking that. Maybe it just might come true..MAYBE.

Originally posted by KidRock
Ok Deano ok, keep on thinking that. Maybe it just might come true..MAYBE.

your ignorant kidrock,when you get this through your skull, the better

here are some quotes from many politicans..some famous

The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviet (Illuminati) Union.

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans.
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (who was very close to the Rothschilds), 1876

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950


We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs, the House Magazine of the Council on Foreign Relations (July/August 1995)

The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

great

more dork spam

cant you two just f***, and get it over with?

Originally posted by PVS
great

more dork spam

cant you two just f***, and get it over with?

you'd love that woudnt you?

Originally posted by Deano
your ignorant kidrock,when you get this through your skull, the better

here are some quotes from many politicans..some famous

The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviet (Illuminati) Union.

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans.
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (who was very close to the Rothschilds), 1876

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950


We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs, the House Magazine of the Council on Foreign Relations (July/August 1995)

The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952



Silly Deano. You puppet. That doesn't relate to anything. Next please.

Originally posted by KidRock
Silly Deano. You puppet. That doesn't relate to anything. Next please.

BRAIN: The physical part of an intelligent system (IS) where the mind functions.

Originally posted by Deano
you'd love that woudnt you?

there you go again with the homosexual exhibitionist fantasies.
i sense a pattern. you know deano, its unhealthy to stay in the closet.
stop living a lie and just be proud of who you are!!! who gives a shit what kidrock thinks.

Originally posted by PVS
there you go again with the homosexual exhibitionist fantasies.
i sense a pattern. you know deano, its unhealthy to stay in the closet.
stop living a lie and just be proud of who you are!!! who gives a shit what kidrock thinks.

what are you going on about..dont turn it around on me, you was the one who proved to us that you have homosexual tendencies, join a gay club or somethin
you obviously give a shit what kidrock thinks? you ignored him

no need to fall back on the homophopia routine. if you're not ready to come out of the closet, so be it. but you really shouldn't keep this up for too long. its not healthy

Originally posted by PVS
no need to fall back on the homophopia routine. if you're not ready to come out of the closet, so be it. but you really shouldn't keep this up for too long. its not healthy

im pretty healthy thanx
posted some pics in the members pics thread of me playing football
enjoy, you like watching men in shorts dont ya

thanks deano, but i'll have to pass. maybe your buddy nov would like to see you tackling and being tackled by other men.

Originally posted by PVS
thanks deano, but i'll have to pass. maybe your buddy nov would like to see you tackling and being tackled by other men.

lol maybe

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=CIMG068872

just for you pvs

Originally posted by Novusordo
non of that makes any sense.

It did, you're just too stupid to understand it. Is it coincidence that you're also an overly pretentious, gullible idiot?

No.

-AC

stop the anti-Deano ism.

Originally posted by PVS
thanks deano, but i'll have to pass. maybe your buddy nov would like to see you tackling and being tackled by other men.

I think you mistake the football here.......

As for your post...you have to understand that posting something doesn't proof it.....i can post nonsense to bujt it won't be any more true...give sources....you know solid facts and stuff....

Originally posted by Bardock42
.As for your post...you have to understand that posting something doesn't proof it.....i can post nonsense to bujt it won't be any more true...give sources....you know solid facts and stuff....

Saying all that is complete bullshit says much for you're intelligence

If you want the proof, research it and see for yourself. Don't expect me to do the days work for you.

But I suppose you think I'm trying to hide the fact that theres no proof whatsoever for what I said becuase I don't fancy spending my whole day looking for it all for someone who will most likely even call it poor proof anyway.

The point is, you get all your proof from some websites, if you can find things like this on other websites it might be more belieavable. Besides you already researched it all didn't you, you should write down what you find next time.

Microchipped society?

yes

Microchipped society.

its already being suggested smartass
one family has already accpeted to have the chip inserted into them
as many years go by..others will follow
your ignorance makes me laugh

Your paranoia makes everybody else laugh. So together we make everybody laugh, now don't we?

you'll see soon enough

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Your paranoia makes everybody else laugh. So together we make everybody laugh, now don't we?
Funny...cause its true

And Novu basically what youj are saying is that you can't be bothered to find proof...I know it would be way easier for you if everyone just accepted everything you said, but well tat's not the way it works...and if you already have proof (ewhich I assume you have since you are so fierce aboot your point and we know only people that know the truth can argue a point so strongly....not a madman...it's impossible) it should be quite easy to post it here now shouldn't it.....I can tell you why there is an infinite amopunt of Prime Numbers in aboot 2 Minutes...cause I actually have proof...unlike you..who doesnt....

As for my Intelligence, this may or may not be true but surely you can't judge it.

Deano can i ask if you have a job, what it is and what you spend the money you earn on? im just curious as to how far you really take this political paranoia shit.

Originally posted by Df02
Deano can i ask if you have a job, what it is and what you spend the money you earn on? im just curious as to how far you really take this political paranoia shit.

college, did have a part time job but i left cos it was annoying

when i do have money i spend it on clothes, dvds, etc

i dont talk about this stuff much outside the internet cos im not very good at explaining it well, and plus when i have, people aint interested.

any more questions?

Originally posted by Deano
college, did have a part time job but i left cos it was annoying

when i do have money i spend it on clothes, dvds, etc

i dont talk about this stuff much outside the internet cos im not very good at explaining it well, and plus when i have, people aint interested.

any more questions?

But don't you have to wake em up....I mean people on the internet might not listen...but your friends and family should...especially since you claim to have proof....

its not all about proof
i'll say this for the last time

'It's funny how the public and media are quite willing to accept lies pedalled by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet they insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality.'

I don't accept anything things at face value, be they conspiracy theories copied and pasted from a website or a political party's published manifesto. I cannot know the true motives of anyone's actions except my own. However while skepticism can be healthy, paranoia is not.
You say it's not about proof.
Do you accept these conspiracy theories without solid evidence? If so, then you're really no different from the media and the masses you deplore, your unquestioning acceptance is simply directed at an alternative vehicle.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't accept anything things at face value, be they conspiracy theories copied and pasted from a website or a political party's published manifesto. I cannot know the true motives of anyone's actions except my own. However while skepticism can be healthy, paranoia is not.
You say it's not about proof.
Do you accept these conspiracy theories without solid evidence? If so, then you're really no different from the media and the masses you deplore, your unquestioning acceptance is simply directed at an alternative vehicle.

there is lots of evidence, i suggest you read a book on the subject, it all doesnt come from websites u know

ands its about common sense, anyone with a brain shud be now coming to the realisation that the 9/11 offical story is a monumental lie

How ironic is it that Deano professes to believe in all this Brit-royal illuminati hoo-hah, while his avatar is St.George's flag and his signature supports the Union Jack in the background!?!?!?! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-hahahahahaha!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
How ironic is it that Deano professes to believe in all this Brit-royal illuminati hoo-hah, while his avatar is St.George's flag and his signature supports the Union Jack in the background!?!?!?! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-hahahahahaha!

ive had that sig before i started believin in this stuff

For those asking proof for my original post in this thread can do it themselves.

If you stupid enough no honestly think I would post all that information without every single bit of it being true then shame on you.

Go and check out how the Rockefelelars own all that I listed... shoulden't take too long.

As for the guy who was having trouble accepting the microchip. God help you.

Illuminati control of the USA

Originally posted by Novusordo
As for the guy who was having trouble accepting the microchip. God help you.
Oh... sorry... I realise my folly. There's an insidious plot to covertly insert all of humankind with exploding microchips. They're delivered through flu shots right? And they interpret the EEG pattern in your brain and record your thoughts then relay them to a stealthed satellite before they're beemed down to a secret bunkers under the White House, the Kremlin, 10 Downing St etc. I've got proof... really I do... cold hard evidence... but you'll just have to go do some research.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh... sorry... I realise my folly. There's an insidious plot to covertly insert all of humankind with exploding microchips. They're delivered through flu shots right? And they interpret the EEG pattern in your brain and record your thoughts then relay them to a stealthed satellite before they're beemed down to a secret bunkers under the White House, the Kremlin, 10 Downing St etc. I've got proof... really I do... cold hard evidence... but you'll just have to go do some research.

http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

I don't know how much I believe this stuff, but I do find it very interesting. I won't say that its true and I won't say thats its not true, mainly because I can't rule it out because some of what is said in favor of it isn't all that far fetched, although some is. Which makes me think that it may not be true. As for Bardock's prime numbers thats math and all you have to do is math to find it out so its easily provable. He also said something about 42 being the perfect number and relayed a site, which I ended up going to, I ended up reading from top to bottom some was iffy but most was actually pretty freaking cool. I dunno I just find stuff like this interesting, by that I mean special numbers, secret societies, and stuff like conspiracy theories.

secret societies shouldent be hard to believe since there existance is a fact but I can understand you doubting the occult nuemrology and symbolism becuase it does so fantastical at first but when you look into it you will understand how simple and effective the use of these seemingly fantastical stuff is.

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv
Downloaded and watched the redundantly large file. Interesting for those who are easily interested I suppose. However I found it relatively unconvincing, if it was trying to imply a clandestine project to secretly implant everyone, especially when it began ranting about 666.

Frankly if gullible people want to have a subcutaneous tracking device implanted, I don't really care. And no, a microchip cannot store your DNA genotype (or any of the other information) without first being told your said information. It took 10 years and $3 billion for the consortium HGP to produce a rough draft of a human genome. Sequencing every person's genome down to single nucleotide level is unfeasible.

Do you even know what occult means, Novu?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

-AC

More paranoid conspiracy nonsence.

And I am sorry, Novu- but the shame is on YOU for expecting extraordinary claims of yours to be believed without bothering to supply convincing sources and evidence. It is most definitely incumbent upon YOU to provide that, and not for others to do research to back your argument FOR you.

And Deano, it won't be the last time you post that, I am pretty sure, and each time you post it it still won't be true, implying that everyone believe what the Government and Media says, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth- if anything, people are overly cynical these days; there is virtually NO faith in authority.

To add to that,

What is it that you think you're discovering? You honestly think that it's as easy as clicking a website to uncover earth-shattering government conspiracies and have them be true? If the government don't want you to know something, you won't know it.

They're playing you like an arcade machine.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What is it that you think you're discovering? You honestly think that it's as easy as clicking a website to uncover earth-shattering government conspiracies and have them be true? If the government don't want you to know something, you won't know it.
They're playing you like an arcade machine.
-AC
Exactly. You believe that massive secret societies control the world and yet fail to realise if they do... then why exactly can you read about their conspiracies so easily.
Try searching Falun Gong on Chinese Google. It will come up blank.

(BTW Does anyone else see the irony in someone being skeptical to the point of paranoia about governments and yet being so easily accepting of conspiracy theories.)

Originally posted by Novusordo


The reason an otherthrow/rebelion will be impossible is becuase not only will the microchip enable them to automaticly kill you with the touch of a button but no one will even try because of the cashless society where credit on your implanted microchip is the only credit/cash system there is and they can cease your credit whenever they like. Ultimate control. Bad monkey no bannana, so to speak.


oh shit, that is great stuff, you should contact your local paper, and let them in on this information.

Originally posted by Deano
there is lots of evidence, i suggest you read a book on the subject, it all doesnt come from websites u know

ands its about common sense, anyone with a brain shud be now coming to the realisation that the 9/11 offical story is a monumental lie

I'm sorry Deano, but you and your friends are not correct about 9/11. I have told you why. There is no amount of evidence that you can provide that will overrule the eye witnesses. I've debated you point by by point on that, and there are too many holes in your story.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
I'm sorry Deano, but you and your friends are not correct about 9/11. I have told you why. There is no amount of evidence that you can provide that will overrule the eye witnesses. I've debated you point by by point on that, and there are too many holes in your story.

Don't be ****ing stupid, a 3 year old can take the official version of 9/11 apart within minutes.

Besides, those weeks ago when Deano and I were convincing you that 9/11 was an inside job, you eventualy admitted you agreed the US government let it happen.

Ohh and lastly, most eye witneses say multiple bombs detonated at the base of the WTC's - how the ****ing else did it fall in a text-book style demolition, use your ****ing head, Oswald.

Deano, you should stop shoving your views down everyone's throat and approach this in a mature manner

Originally posted by Dogbert
Deano, you should stop shoving your views down everyone's throat and approach this in a mature manner

you and everyone else knows where the door is

Originally posted by Novusordo
Don't be ****ing stupid, a 3 year old can take the official version of 9/11 apart within minutes.

Besides, those weeks ago when Deano and I were convincing you that 9/11 was an inside job, you eventualy admitted you agreed the US government let it happen.

Ohh and lastly, most eye witneses say multiple bombs detonated at the base of the WTC's - how the ****ing else did it fall in a text-book style demolition, use your ****ing head, Oswald.

The building was built to fall vertically. It's simple physics. Most eye witnesses? Can you provide names? Considering most civilians were running from the collapse, how can you say they saw anything? I was right there with them, Novu, so my opinion is much more important than any article you can provide. Tell me Novu, how many of the writers you source were actually there? They all seem to reside in England.

I can plainly admit the US government allowed 9/11 to happen... through arrogance and lack of a uniform way of sharing the information. I have never stated that I thought it was an inside job.

Originally posted by Deano
you and everyone else knows where the door is You want people to believe you right? Stop being an arsehole then. Going about disparaging other's opinions about your own opinion (Which I dont' dismiss entirely) only makes yours less credible. Insulting people isn't the way to make people believe.

Jahova's Witnesses don't go door-to-door saying "Hey you lame-brained mofo, believe in god or else your a puppet of satan. *****!". Instead, they handle it in a mature, calm manner, as you should be doing.

Originally posted by Dogbert
You want people to believe you right? Stop being an arsehole then. Going about disparaging other's opinions about your own opinion (Which I dont' dismiss entirely) only makes yours less credible. Insulting people isn't the way to make people believe.

Jahova's Witnesses don't go door-to-door saying "Hey you lame-brained mofo, believe in god or else your a puppet of satan. *****!". Instead, they handle it in a mature, calm manner, as you should be doing.

lol insulting people? you mean like you just insulted me now?
show me where i have insulted someone? so all ive done is insult people to try and make them believe?
you havent got a clue what you are on about.
you done nothin in this thread but make short little pointless irrelevent statements

http://www.sacredcow.com/media/links/store_items/bestofalex/indoor_fbi_bg.ram

alex jones shelling the crap out of an fbi agent, alex jones confronts him about the oklahoma bombing, whats the agents reply? SPEECHLESS!

Originally posted by Deano
lol insulting people? you mean like you just insulted me now?
show me where i have insulted someone? so all ive done is insult people to try and make them believe?
you havent got a clue what you are on about.
you done nothin in this thread but make short little pointless irrelevent statements

Yes, insulting people. Calling people puppets constitutes as insulting... and no, I haven't insulted you. I'll leave that open to others opinions if I insulted you in my previous statement or not.

Assuming that I don't have a clue about what I am on about is also fairly innaccurate... I believe in your conspiracy theory. I did research, way before you even posted this. While certain parts seem slightly far-fetched... I also think that certain parts are extremely likely, and that there aretoo many coincidences to dismiss the "theories" entirely.

And... I think I remember you posting "lol". That isn't irrelevant?

Originally posted by Dogbert
Yes, insulting people. Calling people puppets constitutes as insulting... and no, I haven't insulted you. I'll leave that open to others opinions if I insulted you in my previous statement or not.

Assuming that I don't have a clue about what I am on about is also fairly innaccurate... I believe in your conspiracy theory. I did research, way before you even posted this. While certain parts seem slightly far-fetched... I also think that certain parts are extremely likely, and that there aretoo many coincidences to dismiss the "theories" entirely.

And... I think I remember you posting "lol". That isn't irrelevant?

yes i called people puppets, people have called me nastier things..so dont just single me out
calling me an arsehole...i think thats genuinly considered an insult
im not bothered by name calling anyway..like water off a ducks back
anyway
back on topic..

Originally posted by Deano
yes i called people puppets, people have called me nastier things..so dont just single me out
calling me an arsehole...i think thats genuinly considered an insult
im not bothered by name calling anyway..like water off a ducks back
anyway
back on topic..

It all stems from your immature handling of contradictory views towards your own. People call you nastier things because you have called them puppets. Stop calling them puppets or "retaliating". Granted, idiots and immature people visit this board and will insult you... but why do you have to join their crowd by returning the favor? Just don't do it... and the people with intelligence who can actually carry out a good discussion will probably give you more respect.

Perhaps you are right, arsehole might be insulting. But it is the truth, at least I believe most will agree on it.

If it were water off a ducks back, you would ignore the immature perusers of the GDF who automatically attack, attempt to discredit, and insult you/your opinion without actually giving it any thought first. Except, you don't.

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.sacredcow.com/media/links/store_items/bestofalex/indoor_fbi_bg.ram

alex jones shelling the crap out of an fbi agent, alex jones confronts him about the oklahoma bombing, whats the agents reply? SPEECHLESS!

So, your point is an antagonistic interviewer telling the agent the "facts" rather than asking any questions? He never gave the guy time to speak! And the video ends as Alex Jones stops speaking. Who knows how the FBI agent responded. That is ridiculous, Deano. Do you know nothing about public speaking? Of course the FBI agent is going to be silent. They are trained to be silent, so their words cannot be twisted around in the way Alex Jones loves to do. Must we constantly go over what legitimate material backing up your claims is? Show a video of an FBI agent admitting to an inside job. Show scans of factual documents supporting your claims. Show a video of FDNY firemen caliming to see bombs in the World Trade Center. Of course, your response will be the material doesn't exist because it has been suppressed.

Originally posted by Dogbert
It all stems from your immature handling of contradictory views towards your own. People call you nastier things because you have called them puppets. Stop calling them puppets or "retaliating". Granted, idiots and immature people visit this board and will insult you... but why do you have to join their crowd by returning the favor? Just don't do it... and the people with intelligence who can actually carry out a good discussion will probably give you more respect.

Perhaps you are right, arsehole might be insulting. But it is the truth, at least I believe most will agree on it.

If it were water off a ducks back, you would ignore the immature perusers of the GDF who automatically attack, attempt to discredit, and insult you/your opinion without actually giving it any thought first. Except, you don't.

If the topic was not so ludicrous, a discussion might be had. Over and over I have attempted to discuss the WTC attack with Deano. I have set the rules of the debate about what legitimate material is, and he has come up with nothing. I know where the information from non-conspiracy theory sources that backs up his claims. I know where the contradictory material is too. I have read both. I'm waiting for Deano to provide it, yet everything he produces is from conspiracy theory nutjobs. This shows he has only looked at one source for his information and refuses to study the counterpoint. I have provided Deano with the best excuse to use. He is not as articulate as he needs to be to competently discuss this topic. He denies this, but will not engage in a one on one exchange of information. I don't think he's an *******, but he does suffer from tunnel vision.

It's very funny how Novusordo jumps to Deano's defense with his zealous posts, yet their beliefs differ so much. Deano scoffs everytime he is associated with the lizard men theory, yet Novusordo believes it without question. Like all of these wackboys, they really need to get their stories straight before calling everybody else blind sheep.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
So, your point is an antagonistic interviewer telling the agent the "facts" rather than asking any questions? He never gave the guy time to speak! And the video ends as Alex Jones stops speaking. Who knows how the FBI agent responded. That is ridiculous, Deano. Do you know nothing about public speaking? Of course the FBI agent is going to be silent. They are trained to be silent, so their words cannot be twisted around in the way Alex Jones loves to do. Must we constantly go over what legitimate material backing up your claims is? Show a video of an FBI agent admitting to an inside job. Show scans of factual documents supporting your claims. Show a video of FDNY firemen caliming to see bombs in the World Trade Center. Of course, your response will be the material doesn't exist because it has been suppressed.


i understand that but i think the fbi agent had time to reply..if alex jones was saying all that stuff to me and i knew it was all lies then id react angrilly and i would tell him there and then what bullshit he is spewing

here is a link that says a former mi5 agent thinks it was an inside job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

I don't honestly believe that Deano believes half to all the shit he posts or says. I think he does it because it really annoys you all.

Novu really does seem to be that pathetically gullible though. Swearing and bullying people into blindly believing him, because that's not being a sheep. Disagreeing with him is.

-AC

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
If the topic was not so ludicrous, a discussion might be had. Over and over I have attempted to discuss the WTC attack with Deano. I have set the rules of the debate about what legitimate material is, and he has come up with nothing. I know where the information from non-conspiracy theory sources that backs up his claims. I know where the contradictory material is too. I have read both. I'm waiting for Deano to provide it, yet everything he produces is from conspiracy theory nutjobs. This shows he has only looked at one source for his information and refuses to study the counterpoint. I have provided Deano with the best excuse to use. He is not as articulate as he needs to be to competently discuss this topic. He denies this, but will not engage in a one on one exchange of information. I don't think he's an *******, but he does suffer from tunnel vision.

It's very funny how Novusordo jumps to Deano's defense with his zealous posts, yet their beliefs differ so much. Deano scoffs everytime he is associated with the lizard men theory, yet Novusordo believes it without question. Like all of these wackboys, they really need to get their stories straight before calling everybody else blind sheep.

ok you always ask for proof but you always accept lies given by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet you insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality. why is that?
as for the lizard theory..im not dismissing it or believing it...who am i to say whats real and whats not?..i can only put forth my opinion
i could put a pile of info which says that 9/11 was an inside job..and i could put a pile of info which says the opposite, it is up to you what you believe, its up to you to look up and make up your own mind without keep asking for proof, what feels right to you?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't honestly believe that Deano believes half to all the shit he posts or says. I think he does it because it really annoys you all.

Novu really does seem to be that pathetically gullible though. Swearing and bullying people into blindly believing him, because that's not being a sheep. Disagreeing with him is.

-AC

wrong again AC. if you really think i post this to annoy people then you are deadly wrong. why is it so hard to believe this stuff?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't honestly believe that Deano believes half to all the shit he posts or says. I think he does it because it really annoys you all.


-AC

Correct.

Aside from Shayler being the most enormous ****, him being an MI5 ex (and a very irrelevant one at that) makes bugger all difference seeing as he hadn't been one for five years by the time of 9/11.

He's just another nut- with a known grudge against the British government- with silly conspiracy ideas.

It is hard to believe because it is unsupported nonsense and all the sources you provide are varying degrees of awful.

Why is it so easy to?

If you wanna believe your conspiracy theories, no one is stopping you. However Deano, you seem to pick up new beliefs like a bad habit. Surely you see how contradictory it is to call everyone blind, sheep and controlled when you more or less believe any conspiracy theory you read.

Like I said before, believing nothing is almost as stupid as believing anything and if you truly believe that by sitting on your computer reading theories and pseudo-intellectual stories, you're somehow discovering things that the government doesn't want you to know, I suggest you re-evaluate your high-horse. Why? Because you have no right to be calling anyone anything resembling a sheep.

Most of what you post is available to read in conspiracy theorist books. Available on sale.

If it were as true and groundbreaking as you seem, it wouldn't be available for all the people to read.

Before you tell people to wake up, stop gulping down the ketamine yourself.

-AC

Originally posted by KidRock
Correct.

if kidrock agrees then it cant be right can it

And you call yourself a genius with rationale like that?

-AC

this has absolutley nothing wot do with the illuminati but i really need help with spanish. does anyone know spanish very well? really need help on this! thanks in advance. just send me a pm

Originally posted by Deano
i understand that but i think the fbi agent had time to reply..if alex jones was saying all that stuff to me and i knew it was all lies then id react angrilly and i would tell him there and then what bullshit he is spewing

here is a link that says a former mi5 agent thinks it was an inside job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

And that is why you would suck at public interviews. You never show emotion, and never challenge the inquisitor.

An MI5 agent? Was he stationed at the World Trade Center? Was he working with the FBI, CIA, and Department of Defense at the time of the attack. Foreign agents, even allies, do not get access to internal documents of the US Government. His claim are purely speculation.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it so easy to?

If you wanna believe your conspiracy theories, no one is stopping you. However Deano, you seem to pick up new beliefs like a bad habit. Surely you see how contradictory it is to call everyone blind, sheep and controlled when you more or less believe any conspiracy theory you read.

Like I said before, believing nothing is almost as stupid as believing anything and if you truly believe that by sitting on your computer reading theories and pseudo-intellectual stories, you're somehow discovering things that the government doesn't want you to know, I suggest you re-evaluate your high-horse. Why? Because you have no right to be calling anyone anything resembling a sheep.

Most of what you post is available to read in conspiracy theorist books. Available on sale.

If it were as true and groundbreaking as you seem, it wouldn't be available for all the people to read.

Before you tell people to wake up, stop gulping down the ketamine yourself.

-AC

in the govermennt..information can slip out AC,
ive read rule by secrecy by jim marrs
worth checking out

Originally posted by Deano
ok you always ask for proof but you always accept lies given by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet you insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality. why is that?
as for the lizard theory..im not dismissing it or believing it...who am i to say whats real and whats not?..i can only put forth my opinion
i could put a pile of info which says that 9/11 was an inside job..and i could put a pile of info which says the opposite, it is up to you what you believe, its up to you to look up and make up your own mind without keep asking for proof, what feels right to you?

You have yet to provide proof for your claims. You provide opinion of others. There is no research into the claims they are making. Truth is not based on belief, it's based on facts.

round and round we go

since we're going round and round in an endless discussion...

does anyone know spanish very well?

nope, english is all u need to know

i need help on these translations. do u know anyone on kmc that knows spanish very well
?

Like Deano said, why don't you sheople ever demand proof for stuff said that makes the official line yet when it comes to anything that goes against it, it's "i want proof, i want proof". Delusional fools.

Haven't any of you the two ****ing brain cells needed to get it yet?

Rockefellers control you're media networks

Rockefeller = Illuminati bloodline

Illuminati = One's who have the New World Order agenda

New World Order agenda requires incidents like 9/11 for it's implementation.

Get it?

And by the way Oswald, the WTC was built to withstand direct impacts from ATLEAST two full-sized commercial airliners and not some private single-manned aircraft as you tried to imply those weeks ago.

And instead of demanding we spend the rest of the night trying to find the part of some random video file or abstract from a document that tells of all the firemen that heard and felt multiple blasts from below their feet when they were in and around the WTC, why don't you demand proof for the ridiculously poor official version which has been absolutely blasted into pieces time after time after time by experts? Ohh yeah, it's becuase your like everyone else - a dumb sheople who just follows the one infront without question.

A big reg flag for Illuminati control of the media is not only the fact that it is all monopilied by the Rockefellars but is why does anything that backs up the official version of events get reported but anything that could weaken it never does? Think about that very simple little fact and then contenplate on why you don't believe in "conspiracies".

just watch the Alex Jones 3 part videos. lot of good stuff in that.

off topic: does anyone know spanish very well? really need help on this.

Originally posted by Dr. Octagon
i need help on these translations. do u know anyone on kmc that knows spanish very well
?

go on google and look for english to spanish translators

Originally posted by Novusordo
Like Deano said, why don't you sheople ever demand proof for stuff said that makes the official line yet when it comes to anything that goes against it, it's "i want proof, i want proof". Delusional fools.

Haven't any of you the two ****ing brain cells needed to get it yet?

Rockefellers control you're media networks

Rockefeller = Illuminati bloodline

Illuminati = One's who have the New World Order agenda

New World Order agenda requires incidents like 9/11 for it's implementation.

Get it?

And by the way Oswald, the WTC was built to withstand direct impacts from ATLEAST two full-sized commercial airliners and not some private single-manned aircraft as you tried to imply those weeks ago.

And instead of demanding we spend the rest of the night trying to find the part of some random video file or abstract from a document that tells of all the firemen that heard and felt multiple blasts from below their feet when they were in and around the WTC, why don't you demand proof for the ridiculously poor official version which has been absolutely blasted into pieces time after time after time by experts.

well said boyo

Originally posted by Novusordo
Like Deano said, why don't you sheople ever demand proof for stuff said that makes the official line yet when it comes to anything that goes against it, it's "i want proof, i want proof". Delusional fools.

Haven't any of you the two ****ing brain cells needed to get it yet?

Rockefellers control you're media networks

Rockefeller = Illuminati bloodline

Illuminati = One's who have the New World Order agenda

New World Order agenda requires incidents like 9/11 for it's implementation.

Get it?

And by the way Oswald, the WTC was built to withstand direct impacts from ATLEAST two full-sized commercial airliners and not some private single-manned aircraft as you tried to imply those weeks ago.

And instead of demanding we spend the rest of the night trying to find the part of some random video file or abstract from a document that tells of all the firemen that heard and felt multiple blasts from below their feet when they were in and around the WTC, why don't you demand proof for the ridiculously poor official version which has been absolutely blasted into pieces time after time after time by experts.

Where is the proof?

Originally posted by Deano
go on google and look for english to spanish translators

that shit sucks

I'm so so ****ing angry these people becuase we are giving them solid, undisputable, EASILY proovable facts that are all backed up by many experts but they have let all the brainwashing and conditioning get to them so much that it all get totaly ignored. It's ****ing tragic.

And hey Deano, don't try and deny you insult people becuase they don't believe this stuff becuase there is no need to deny it becuase as I said above, we are giving them the truth, not becuase we think its the truth but becuase the information that makes up the truth is so ****ing factual and easily proovable that it is the truth... the absolute truth so Deano and I have every mother****ing right in the ****ing world to ****ing insulte you ****ing guys for turning a ****ing blind eye to it every ****ing time, OKAY?

Originally posted by KidRock
Where is the proof?

Out there, and very easy to find too.

Honestly, look into it and you'll see for yourself.

I know lots of people including family who woulden't have any of it untill they gave into my pleing and actualy sat down and viewd the proof. Does that say anything to you?

Originally posted by Novusordo
Out there, and very easy to find too.

Honestly, look into it and you'll see for yourself.

I know lots of people including family who woulden't have any of it untill they gave into my pleing and actualy sat down and viewd the proof. Does that say anything to you?

Why should I look into it for myself? You're the one trying to make us all belive this crap. So where is the proof?

Originally posted by Novusordo
I'm so so ****ing angry these people becuase we are giving them solid, undisputable, EASILY proovable facts that are all backed up by many experts but they have let all the brainwashing and conditioning get to them so much that it all get totaly ignored. It's ****ing tragic.

And hey Deano, don't try and deny you insult people becuase they don't believe this stuff becuase there is no need to deny it becuase as I said above, we are giving them the truth, not becuase we think its the truth but becuase the information that makes up the truth is so ****ing factual and easily proovable that it is the truth... the absolute truth so Deano and I have every mother****ing right in the ****ing world to ****ing insulte you ****ing guys for turning a ****ing blind eye to it every ****ing time, OKAY?

nice one mate

it is very tragic and it does get annoying when they try poorly to deny everything

Originally posted by KidRock
Why should I look into it for myself? You're the one trying to make us all belive this crap. So where is the proof?

How many ****ing times do I have to ****ing say it?

To search, compile and then present the information in a cohesive way is one mammoth task to do.

A hell of alot of the proof for this stuff is imbedded in documents, videos, ect so theres another mammoth task to it too - extracting the proof.

I've tried it and gave up eventually... it's that hard.

Read a book becuase the authors have done it for ya.

Originally posted by KidRock
Why should I look into it for myself? You're the one trying to make us all belive this crap. So where is the proof?

im sick of posting this

It's funny how the public and media are quite willing to accept lies pedalled by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet they insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality.

does that say anything to you kidrock? fux sake

Originally posted by Deano
nice one mate

it is very tragic and it does get annoying when they try poorly to deny everything

Yea and like I said, we have every right in the world to insult them all we ****ing well want for they are denying what we KNOW, NOT believe, but KNOW, is solid, undisputable facts. Do not apologise for it.

And to that guy who comapred us to Jehova Witnesses... We know what we are saying is fact, this isen't just our belief, it is FACTS that we KNOW are FACTS and that is why we get so angry, especially me as Deano seems pretty good at restraining himself.

Originally posted by Novusordo
How many ****ing times do I have to ****ing say it?

To search, compile and then present the information in a cohesive way is one mammoth task to do.

A hell of alot of the proof for this stuff is imbedded in documents, videos, ect so theres another mammoth task to it too - extracting the proof.

I've tried it and gave up eventually... it's that hard.

Read a book becuase the authors have done it for ya.

just give up mate
its a waste of time

Originally posted by Deano
im sick of posting this

It's funny how the public and media are quite willing to accept lies pedalled by the politicians without any demand for 'proof' and yet they insist on proof from anyone challenging the official version of reality.

does that say anything to you kidrock? fux sake

You can post that all you want. I am still waiting for you to prove everything you say instead of asking me why I belive the government. Why should I belive you instead? Lizard man.

Originally posted by Deano
just give up mate
its a waste of time

No it's not becuase now no one can demand proof off me and then say that there is non becuase I refused to deliver.

Your definition of indisutable fact is appalling. It is all HIGHLY disputable. Your excuses for not offering proof are also exceptionally poor.

And if you do not calm down with the language you will be reported once more. Your continual immature outbursts only further hurt your already terminal cause.

Once more, you both repeat that lie about people accepting what politicans say... pitiful.

Originally posted by KidRock
You can post that all you want. I am still waiting for you to prove everything you say instead of asking me why I belive the government. Why should I belive you instead? Lizard man.

Hey for **** sake, if you want proof, get the **** onto the first post of this ****ing topic and read it.

How bad can your definition of proof be? That post is NOT proof, it is a big load of opinion.

And for the last time, tone down that language.

Originally posted by KidRock
You can post that all you want. I am still waiting for you to prove everything you say instead of asking me why I belive the government. Why should I belive you instead? Lizard man.

can you read what novusordo wrote? *sigh*

dont believe me then, believe you god mr bush

Originally posted by Ushgarak
How bad can your definition of proof be? That post is NOT proof, it is a big load of opinion.

And for the last time, tone down that language.

opinion?
like everything else then isnt it

''Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. ''

That's an irrelevance. Evidence and sources and proof CAN be posted, and often have been in all matter of disucssions on this site. That first post in this thread meets no such definition. You have this terrible habit of trying to sidestep that which, again, only hurts your cause because everyone sees it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Your definition of indisutable fact is appalling. It is all HIGHLY disputable. Your excuses for not offering proof are also exceptioanlly poor.

And if you do not calm down with the language you will be reported once more. Your continual immature outbursts only further hurt your already terminal cause.

Once more, you both repeat that lie about people accepting what politicans say... pitiful.

It's not a poor excuse. You are saying that becuase I don't fancy embarking on a week long trawl through the internet and the 20+ gigs of conspiracy media on my PC nitpicking the proof from it all then spending another few days editing it to allow it to be presented in a cohesive way is a poor excuse. Pffft.

My definition of undisputable fact is the one that you'd find in any dictionary I assure you.

And it's not a ****ing lie, jesus christ dude are you really serious? If people diden't beleive what the establishment fed the stupid dosile bastards day in day out, why the **** is the world still an evil bastard shithole? Get ****ing real.

Yes. People have made such efforts before., Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As ever- put up or shut up. If you cannot back it, it will not be believed, and to get angry for that is infantile.

And you will find that for a fact to be indisputable, there has to be no way to dispute it. You haven't even proven it. No dictionary defintion comes close to that, as everyone reading this will agree.

And reported for the language. You were warned.

Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes. People have made such efforts before., Extraordinary claims require extraoridinary proof. As ever- put up or shut up.

And reported for the language. You were warned.

nothing extraordinary about them

Originally posted by KidRock
Care to eleborate?

?! what?!

And use your head for **** sake. What motive do we have to be so determined to convince you of all this? What motive, eh? No ****ing motive besides waking you up.

If we say its undisputable facts, we mean it's undisputable facts, NOT opinion, not anything over than an undisputable fact, OKAY?

Now, if we had a motive other than wanting to wake people up, THEN, we would maybe have a reason to want to convince you that this stuff is an undisputable fact when it might not be. But we dont. Get it?

Use
Your
Head.

Originally posted by Deano
nothing extraordinary about them

That is the single silliest statement made yet- quite some achievement.

ALL of this is at the very outer edges of extraordinary- again, the opinions of most reading this.

Originally posted by Novusordo
And by the way Oswald, the WTC was built to withstand direct impacts from ATLEAST two full-sized commercial airliners and not some private single-manned aircraft as you tried to imply those weeks ago.

And instead of demanding we spend the rest of the night trying to find the part of some random video file or abstract from a document that tells of all the firemen that heard and felt multiple blasts from below their feet when they were in and around the WTC, why don't you demand proof for the ridiculously poor official version which has been absolutely blasted into pieces time after time after time by experts? Ohh yeah, it's becuase your like everyone else - a dumb sheople who just follows the one infront without question.

You are wrong, Novusordo. The World Trade Center was built to withstand a direct collision with a small commuter aircraft. The engineers themselves said they had no reason to believe a commercial airliner would be so off course it would strike the buildings. This was proven in an interview with the engineers.

So, you are calling me a liar because my eye witness account differs from your beliefs? I am not relying on secondhand information about what happened that day, I witnessed it in person. How dare you call me a blind sheep because my experience differs from what you read in a book written by an author who was not even in the US at the time of the attack.

Originally posted by Novusordo
And use your head for **** sake. What motive do we have to be so determined to convince you of all this? What motive, eh? No ****ing motive besides waking you up.

If we say its undisputable facts, we mean it's undisputable facts, NOT opinion, not anything over than an undisputable fact, OKAY?

Now, if we had a motive other than wanting to wake people up, THEN, we would maybe have a reason to want to convince you that this stuff is an undisputable fact.

Use
Your
Head.

No, you are just either being deceptive or, more likely, repeating the incredible errors that you believe and have somehow convinced yourself cannot be disputed. ALL of it is just your opinion.

Coasting for a ban there with the continued language, Novu.

Originally posted by Novusordo
And use your head for **** sake. What motive do we have to be so determined to convince you of all this? What motive, eh? No ****ing motive besides waking you up.

If we say its undisputable facts, we mean it's undisputable facts, NOT opinion, not anything over than an undisputable fact, OKAY?

Now, if we had a motive other than wanting to wake people up, THEN, we would maybe have a reason to want to convince you that this stuff is an undisputable fact when it might not be. But we dont. Get it?

Use
Your
Head.


I can say the sky is pink, doesn't make it so.

You saying something is proof isn't any valid defense, give your proof or stop bitching about people not taking your silly claims seriously.

You lot are the biggest shower of dumbass shit I've ever came across.

You haven't proven that is so, Until you do, the claims remain extraordinary. Again- a failure of rationality from you there, Deano. You cannot say the claims are not extraordinary based on the supposition that all you say is true, that is false circular logic.

To the objective mind, the claims are extraordinary.

Still, at least Deano isn't both irrational AND immature to the point of an imminent ban, as Novu is cheerfully proving himself to be.

Originally posted by Novusordo
****ing nice point Deano!

You don't ask for proof when it comes to the official line but when it's anything that goes against it...

WHO OWNS YOUR MEDIA NETWORKS? THE ROCKEFELLARS DO, DONT YOU ****ING GET IT JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE ****

I am still waiting for you to prove everything you said.

Listen to me you clueelsss herd of idiots. Those that control the media, TV, newspapers, "education" system and all the other social conditioning entities can get away with murder but even more tragic is that they can also condition you are brainwash you into their version of what reality is by creating a sheep pen of norms where society obides by and ridicules and condemnes those that step out from it.

Do you ****ing get it?

Originally posted by Novusordo
****ing nice point Deano!

You don't ask for proof when it comes to the official line but when it's anything that goes against it...

WHO OWNS YOUR MEDIA NETWORKS? THE ROCKEFELLARS DO, DONT YOU ****ING GET IT JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE ****

The official line produces documents and interviews with people in the know. What do conspiracy theorists produce? Opinion, nothing more.

You are now displaying the behaviour of a ranting madman, Novu. Which I get the impression is just your true nature revealed.

Originally posted by KidRock
I am still waiting for you to prove everything you said.

You are the dumbest piece of shit here and are deliberatly baiting you little dumb prick.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Listen to me you clueelsss herd of idiots. Those that control the media, TV, newspapers, "education" system and all the other social conditioning entities can get away with murder but even more tragic is that they can also condition you are brainwash you into their version of what reality is by creating a sheep pen of norms where society obides by and ridicules and condemnes those that step out from it.

Do you ****ing get it?

Why then do conspiracy theorists rush to point to the media as backing their claims? You cannot call everything the media says is a lie unless it agrees with you and still be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You are now displaying the behaviour of a ranting madman, Novu. Which I get the impression is just your true nature revealed.

Err, ****tard, maybe I'm mad becuase I'm telling you idiots the truth and your not ****ing listening.

Originally posted by Novusordo
You are the dumbest piece of shit here and are deliberatly baiting you little dumb prick.

You're heading for a ban.

Only in your own mind. And soon that will be gone, seeing as you recently received a final warning for insults, and hence will soon be gone from here forever.

Originally posted by Novusordo
You are the dumbest piece of shit here and are deliberatly baiting you little dumb prick.

Proof? That is all I want.

Originally posted by KidRock
I am still waiting for you to prove everything you said.

and you are still ignoring what novosordo pointed out earlier

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
Why then do conspiracy theorists rush to point to the media as backing their claims? You cannot call everything the media says as a lie unless it agrees with you and still be taken seriously.

You said this before and like I said you logic is ****ed up.

Originally posted by Dogbert
You're heading for a ban.

Even though it was in response to deliberate baiting. Wankers.

Originally posted by Novusordo
You said this before and like I said you logic is ****ed up.

quit the bad language!!
u dont wanna get banned

See, you are now twisting asking for proof as baiting. Oddly enough, these are the same twisted tactics used to try and prove your paranoid conspiracy nonsense!

Originally posted by Novusordo
Even though it was in response to deliberate baiting. Wankers.

You don't have to respond to baiting. You choose too.