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luke wasnt suck a big deal in esb and anakin was ok in aotc

who would win/own

such *

anakin

luke had been gettin jedi trainin 4 like a week tops but anakin had been gettin it 4 10 years

yes but luke .... is nearly the chosen one

Do you think before you type?

I always have a ice cream cone before I type.

dude type 1st think later. YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR but im not taking it eany further

i dont give 2 flying peices of sh1t about your lectures

Not event this one on England in 1760? For shame!
Previously to 1760 the old industrial system obtained in
England; none of the great mechanical inventions had been
introduced; the agrarian changes were still in the future. It is
this industrial England which we have to contrast with the
industrial England of to-day. For determining the population of
the time we have no accurate materials. There are no official
returns before 1801. A census had been proposed in 1753, but
rejected as 'subversive of the last remains of English liberty.'
In this absence of trustworthy data all sorts of wild estimates
were formed. During the American War a great controversy raged on
this subject. Dr Price, an advocate of the Sinking Fund,
maintained that population had in the interval between 1690 and
1777 declined from 6,596,075 to 4,763,670. On the other hand, Mr
Howlett, Vicar of Dunmow, in Essex, estimated the population in
1780 at 8,691,000, and Arthur Young, in 1770, at 8,500,000 on the
lowest estimate. These, however, are the extremes in either
direction. The computations now most generally accepted are those
made by Mr Finlaison (Actuary to the National Debt Office), and
published in the Preface to the Census Returns of 1831. These are
based on an examination of the registers of baptisms and burials
of the eighteenth century. But the data are deficient in three
respects: because the number of people existing at the date when
the computation begins is a matter of conjecture; because in some
parishes there were no registers; and because the registration,
being voluntary, was incomplete. Mr Finlaison, however, is stated
to have subjected his materials to 'every test suggested by the
present comparatively advanced state of physical and statistical
science.'
Now according to Mr Finlaison, the population of England and
Wales was, in 1700, 5,134,516, in 1750, 6,039,684, an increase of
not quite a million, or between 17 and 18 per cent. In the first
half of the century. in 1801 the population of England and Wales
was 9,187,176, showing an increase of three millions, or more
than 52 per cent. In the second half.8 The difference in the rate
of increase is significant of the great contrast presented by the
two periods. In the former, England, though rapidly increasing in
wealth owing to her extended commercial relations, yet retained
her old industrial organisation; the latter is the age of
transition to the modern industrial system, and to improved
methods of agriculture.
The next point to consider is the distribution of population.
A great difference will be found here between the state of things
at the beginning of the eighteenth century, or in Adam Smith's
time, and that prevailing now. Every one remembers Macaulay's
famous description in the beginning of his history of the
desolate condition of the northern counties. His picture is borne
out by Defoe, who, in his Tour through the Whole Island (1725),
remarks: 'The country south of Trent is by far the largest, as
well as the richest and most populous,' though the great cities
were rivalled by those of the north. if we consider as the
counties north of Trent Northumberland, Durham, Yorkshire,
Cumberland, Westmoreland, Lancashire, Cheshire, Derbyshire,
Nottinghamshire, and Staffordshire (about one-third of the total
area of England), we shall find on examination that in 1700 they
contained about one-fourth of the population,10 and in 1750 less
than one-third, while in 1881, they contained more than
two-fifths; or, taking only the six northern counties, we find
that in 1700 their population was under one-fifth of that of all
England, in 1750 it was about one-fifth, in 1881 it was all but
one-third.
In 1700 the most thickly peopled counties (excluding the
metropolitan counties of Middlesex and Surrey) were
Gloucestershire, Somerset, and Wilts, the manufacturing districts
of the west; Worcestershire and Northamptonshire, the seats of
the Midland manufactures; and the agriculture counties of Herts
and Bucks - all of them being south of the Trent. Between 1700
and 1750 the greatest increase of population took place in the
following counties:

Lancashire increased from 166,200 to 297,400, or 78 per cent.
Warwickshire " 96,000 " 140,000, " 45 "
The West Riding " 236,700 " 361,500, " 52 "
of Yorkshire
Durham " 95,000 " 135,000, " 41 "
Staffordshire " 117,200 " 160,000, " 36 "
Gloucestershire " 155,200 " 207,800, " 34 "

Cornwall, Kent, Berks, Herts, Worcestershire, Salop, Cheshire,
Northumberland, Cumberland, and Westmoreland each increased
upwards of 20 per cent.
The change in the distribution of population between the
beginning of the eighteenth century and Adam Smith's time, and
again between his time and our own, may be further illustrated by
the following table. The twelve most densely populated counties
and their density to the square mile were:

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Well...Luke did fare well against Vader who is...Anakin in the Empire Strikes Back. He made a stupid move and it costed him a hand. And Vader by that time is a better swordsman and is more exp. I will say Luke on this one.

AOTC Anakin is a better duelist IMO, and has more training. If he doesn't know who Luke is, then he takes this.

Even if he does, I imagine he would school his son if just to show him who's boss.

Anakin pulls out the belt and takes Luke to the garage.

lmao

it depends on wether stupid anaken has two lightsabers if he does luke cant handle him but it may be close otherwise

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Anakin pulls out the belt and takes Luke to the garage.

What he said

I don't know, I think Luke might be able to take this. I consider Mech Vader to be stronger than AOTC Anakin and Luke held his own against Vader really well. Yeah he lost, but he could still compete with him. Look at when Anakin loses his arm, after that he lays there on the ground for a long time. Luke loses his hand, and keeps going. Granted that's less to lose, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Anakin's did.

I would have to say ESB Luke too, partially because of how stupid Anakin is.

anakin will definitely win for the reason that at the time of aotc he is very skilled in the force and combat and had a bit more training, whereas luke has had like 3 years of training and is haredly strong.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I don't know, I think Luke might be able to take this. I consider Mech Vader to be stronger than AOTC Anakin and Luke held his own against Vader really well. Yeah he lost, but he could still compete with him. Look at when Anakin loses his arm, after that he lays there on the ground for a long time. Luke loses his hand, and keeps going. Granted that's less to lose, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Anakin's did.

I would have to say ESB Luke too, partially because of how stupid Anakin is.

I doubt it, first of all, Anakin has better training. Anakin fought Dooku who is better then Vader, Luke would never have stood a chance against a full blown full powered Vader. H ewould never ever win, AOTC Anakin still has more training them him and although ie arrogant he knows what he's doing unlike Luke who is still practicing. Anakin would own luke.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I don't know, I think Luke might be able to take this. I consider Mech Vader to be stronger than AOTC Anakin and Luke held his own against Vader really well. Yeah he lost, but he could still compete with him. Look at when Anakin loses his arm, after that he lays there on the ground for a long time. Luke loses his hand, and keeps going. Granted that's less to lose, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Anakin's did.

I would have to say ESB Luke too, partially because of how stupid Anakin is.

You do come off to me as being waaay too much in Luke's corner in most debates, and you overestimate his talents a lot.

Mech Vader may have more knowledge and durability than hsi younger counterpart, but he would not beat AOTC Anakin straight out for reasons repeated MANY times. And saying ESB Luke could compete with Vader was ridiculous. Vader wasn't ever trying to kill Luke. The one time he lost his temper and struck out off went Luke's hand, in one quick move!

And comparing how long Anakin laid on the ground compared ot how long Luke did is silly when you consider the situations for both:

- AOTC Anakin had just fought a much more heated battle than Luke had. He was shocked by Force lightning, knocked into a wall, and then had his arm severed off at the elbow and Force shoved again into a wall.

- Luke was battered a bit from flying objects and then when he snapped a hit on Vader got his hand lopped off. He fell back on his own, and edged backwards on the ledge. He was looking pretty worn to me.

And saying Anakin is so stupid he would lose to Luke is you severely underestimating Anakin. Take a look at what Anakin did just in AOTC alone. You honestly think Luke would have had the wits, intelligence, and skill to pull half of that off? If you do, you're dying in a lake of fanboyism, because Luke ISN'T that good, and this fight is lopsided, in Anakin's favor by far.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
You honestly think Luke would have had the wits, intelligence, and skill to pull half of that off? If you do, you're dying in a lake of fanboyism, because Luke ISN'T that good, and this fight is lopsided, in Anakin's favor by far.
You mean seduce his mother? I would certainly hope not.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
You mean seduce his mother? I would certainly hope not.

lol... This is NOT Back to the Future!

Anakin would pwn his son. More experience, more training, more jedi discipline, and a much better saber duelist. Luke had no idea what the hell he was doing and was extremely clumsy and foolish. Anakin did much more in AOTC than Luke could ever dream of doing.

lol luke had two weaks of training and was completely useless anakin would tear him apart.

Anakin, easily. More experienced and faster.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I don't know, I think Luke might be able to take this. I consider Mech Vader to be stronger than AOTC Anakin and Luke held his own against Vader really well. Yeah he lost, but he could still compete with him. Look at when Anakin loses his arm, after that he lays there on the ground for a long time. Luke loses his hand, and keeps going. Granted that's less to lose, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Anakin's did.

I would have to say ESB Luke too, partially because of how stupid Anakin is.

What is this crap?

AOTC Anakin would rip Luke to shreds and shreds AND SHREDS!

Luke could barely hold his own against his legless-armless Father.

What do you think his Father is gonna do to him when he has his Arms and legs and is in his prime with Jedi Training since he was a youngling?


Damnit!

i actually think darth vader was a lot more powerful than aotc anakin but thats neither here nor there, luke just doesnt have enough training to compete with him.

Anakin pwns him. Again.

Anakin has more potential. He has had more training as well. Put 2 and 2 together and it's gotta be Anakin.


Okay, Luke stood up to Vader, did he? I got news for you; it wasn't a fair fight, since Luke wanted nothing more than to kill Vader and Vader had no intentions of killing or even hurting Luke.


In ESB Vader's just a bit stronger than Anakin is in AOTC. Anakin's faster in AOTC but that's his only advantage on ESB Vader.

It would be kinda close, but Anakin did as well against Tyranus then Luke could have done against Vader had Vader been trying as hard as he could and Tyranus is stronger than ESB Vader.


Anakin's faster, stronger, a better dueler, stronger in pure Force ability... the only thing Luke has on Anakin is brains, and not alot.

i agree with the belt garage luke thingy but not if anny dont got his twin blades out