Let's build the ultimate Marvel hero to go in and level the DC universe.

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BlaqChaos
Leaving the IG and HOTU out of this, I say we take Sentry, give him Thor's hammer, the Phoenix Force and the Enigma Force then send him in. Is there any thing else we can add to him, before sending him in? Captian America's shield? Galactus bestowing some of that Power Cosmic he likes to dish out? Anything?

ScarletSpider
You could also give him the quantum bands and/or the power prism. Also, it would be handy to have the Ebony Blade--since it's indestructable and magic (with the enchantment to be able to cut through anything) it would rape the Superman family.

GalacticStorm
Phoenix is gods creation power so saying no to the IG yet including Phoenix doesnt make sense.

DigiMark007
Longshot. No enhancements. Just his luck. I still haven't figured out a way to stop him. I'm pretty sure TOAA would blink out of existence if he tried to hurt him.

-DM cool

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is gods creation power so saying no to the IG yet including Phoenix doesnt make sense.

So what power did God use to create Phoenix confused Oh I get it the real creation power....... The Word of God smile So Jesse Custer says "Marvel Multiverse die", and........ thats all she wrote (Phoenix I mean) laughing out loud

Whirly head of the keep comics sane society.

rock

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So what power did God use to create Phoenix confused Oh I get it the real creation power....... The Word of God smile So Jesse Custer says "Marvel Multiverse die", and........ thats all she wrote (Phoenix I mean) laughing out loud

Whirly head of the keep comics sane society.

rock

I think you've misunderstood the whole Phoenix concept Whirly. Phoenix isnt a being its just creations power source. The avatars tap into this power and they become phoenixes. Its literally Gods creation power that is used to make everything and sustains everything. Now you know that it makes your comment look a bit silly doesnt it? stick out tongue

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think you've misunderstood the whole Phoenix concept Whirly. Phoenix isnt a being its just creations power source. The avatars tap into this power and they become phoenixes. Its literally Gods creation power that is used to make everything and sustains everything. Now you know that it makes your comment look a bit silly doesnt it? stick out tongue

So Phoenix has the power of the word of god confused when did Claremont do this upgrade smile

jinzin
just send in fanboy wolverine or fanboy spidey..either one of them could and WOULD do it by themselves...

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So Phoenix has the power of the word of god confused when did Claremont do this upgrade smile

Read through the Rune King Thor on comic book versus forum. It was shown in New Xmen 154 which incorporates the Omega Point theory. The Phoenix Force is a huge resevoir of power its the power of creation. Its not an entity. The phoenixes are the avatars who can tap into this power source to do the work of TOAA in the multiverse.

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read through the Rune King Thor on comic book versus forum. It was shown in New Xmen 154 which incorporates the Omega Point theory. The Phoenix Force is a huge resevoir of power its the power of creation. Its not an entity. The phoenixes are the avatars who can tap into this power source to do the work of TOAA in the multiverse.

I see so as before its a Phoenix force and not an ultimate mutation again is it confused smile

So where does the word of god fit in smile

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I see so as before its a Phoenix force and not an ultimate mutation again is it confused smile

So where does the word of god fit in smile

Your misunderstanding is quite surprising Whirly i know you to be an intelligent man so im at a loss for words. Have you started on the beers already? wink

The power source is called the phoenix force its gods creation power. However the ultimate mutations are the avatars who become one with this power source, those who can tap into it because of their genetic phoenix potential.

Creshosk
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your misunderstanding is quite surprising Whirly i know you to be an intelligent man so im at a loss for words. Have you started on the beers already? wink

The power source is called the phoenix force its gods creation power. However the ultimate mutations are the avatars who become one with this power source, those who can tap into it because of their genetic phoenix potential.

It can be explained like the Flash and speed force. Flash didn't make the speed force, he just tapped into it.

Is that a good analogy?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Whirly head of the keep comics sane society.

rock Oh great, the inmates are running the assylum. . .

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BlaqChaos
But what about the times when Cyclops and Spider-man became host for the Phoenix Force?

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
But what about the times when Cyclops and Spider-man became host for the Phoenix Force?

Thats different. They were hosts for some of the phoenix power, they werent avatars in the true sense of the word. Theyre not true phoenixes who have the genetic potential to tap into the phoenix force. The creation power of T.O.A.A

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your misunderstanding is quite surprising Whirly i know you to be an intelligent man so im at a loss for words. Have you started on the beers already? wink

The power source is called the phoenix force its gods creation power. However the ultimate mutations are the avatars who become one with this power source, those who can tap into it because of their genetic phoenix potential.
So God created the force of creation confused Why? smile If he can create things and is Omnipotent and Omnipresent etc smile

Creshosk
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So God created the force of creation confused Why? smile If he can create things and is Omnipotent and Omnipresent etc smile Why not?

Why not set up a program to do the work for you rather than doing the work yourself?

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why not?

Why not set up a program to do the work for you rather than doing the work yourself?

but after 6 days work on the 7th he rested smile

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So God created the force of creation confused Why? smile If he can create things and is Omnipotent and Omnipresent etc smile

You're purposely being really difficult arent you?!! wink

You know what i mean.

I'll say this once more (just in case youre drunk) then i'll say nothing more

The phoenix force is gods creative power its a huge energy reservoir, the power of creation. It is life it sustains life everything originates from it.

Certain beings are born with the genetic ability to tap into this power of creation. They are the phoenixes. The ultimate mutations. The ultimate power. The phoenixes carry out Gods work within the multiverse. Jean as the white crown phoenix is the top phoenix who has a special connection with this power, she is the most powerful one of all she is the one that jumpstarts creation and she is the one that ends it all as revealed in Xmen The End

Creshosk
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
but after 6 days work on the 7th he rested smile And then never worked again? Not even indirectly through a program set up the way he wanted?

Because that's exactly what life does, it functions in the exact manner it was designed to, creating more life. And that life creates more life.

golem370
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Whirlysplatt
Jesse Custersmile

Creshosk
Originally posted by golem370
Magneto Savage Hulk Thor Hercules Ikaris Silver Surfer Gladiator Drax the Destroyer with power gem Adam Warlock Fantastic Four X-Men Avengers including Iron Man and War Machine Vision Wonderman Scarlet Witch Atlas Namor. Binary X-Man Dr Strange Zeus Odin Spider-Man Forgotten One Ghost Rider Franklin Richards Interloper Gamora Cable and Bishop Black Bolt Greatest Marvel Team ever selected Team?

Wouldn't work. some of the individuals can stand up to that.

Superman could beat

For example. . . unless you're counting ALL of the x-men that were. . . then that brings up the whole phoenix discussion. . .

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
And then never worked again? Not even indirectly through a program set up the way he wanted?

Because that's exactly what life does, it functions in the exact manner it was designed to, creating more life. And that life creates more life.

Well he parted rivers, caused the odd flood, sent his son to earth etc etc. His omniopotent he doesn't need a force or to do anything everything runs as he wants. smile

Jesse Custer beats the Phoenix Force anyway smile He has the power = to the Word of God. big grin

yahman
So the phoenix Force is like the God wave emitted by the Source.

Its like using the right hand of God? So its more like a weapon/tool rather than a character ?

If that is the case its totally dependent on how the character uses it.

Creshosk
Originally posted by yahman
So the phoenix Force is like the God wave emitted by the Source.

Its like using the right hand of God? So its more like a weapon/tool rather than a character ?

If that is the case its totally dependent on how the character uses it.

It does seem to be a sentient tool. but yes that's the way I understand it.

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
It does seem to be a sentient tool. but yes that's the way I understand it.

Your both wrong its the ultimate mutation. Jean is Phoenix and Phoenix is Jean blah blah blah laughing out loud

Jessie Custer has the "Word of God"

olympian
Jesse custer has that certain power where you wouldnt need anything else. He can defeat pretty much anyone.

Does his power works against angels and beings like that. Some time since i read his comic.

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by olympian
Jesse custer has that certain power where you wouldnt need anything else. He can defeat pretty much anyone.

Does his power works against angels and beings like that. Some time since i read his comic.

Yes and it would work against God himself smile

Creshosk
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Your both wrong its the ultimate mutation. Jean is Phoenix and Phoenix is Jean blah blah blah laughing out loud

Are you familiar with the Omega Point Theory?

olympian
He beats anyone then.

Now thats the right power to have. Forget the whole rest. ya hear Superman?

Time to check issues stick out tongue

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by olympian
He beats anyone then.

Now thats the right power to have. Forget the whole rest. ya hear Superman?

Time to check issues stick out tongue


Indeed the power of Genesis beats all smile

yahman
Originally posted by Creshosk
It does seem to be a sentient tool. but yes that's the way I understand it.

If its sentient its pretty frinkin stupid. Most children have a better concept of good and evil. Even the most evil people throught out history make dark Phoenix look pretty stupid.

GalacticStorm
Ive already explained this what is wrong with some of you people lol:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You're purposely being really difficult arent you?!! wink

You know what i mean.

I'll say this once more (just in case youre drunk) then i'll say nothing more

The phoenix force is gods creative power its a huge energy reservoir, the power of creation. It is life it sustains life everything originates from it. Liken it to "The force" from Star Wars

Certain beings are born with the genetic ability to tap into this power of creation. They are the phoenixes. The ultimate mutations. The ultimate power. The phoenixes carry out Gods work within the multiverse. Jean as the white crown phoenix is the top phoenix who has a special connection with this power, she is the most powerful one of all she is the one that jumpstarts creation and she is the one that ends it all as revealed in Xmen The End

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive already explained this what is wrong with some of you people lol:

blah

Creshosk
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
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Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Hmmm not really much of a counter smile

Keep the faithsmile

Stay Whirly rock

big grin

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
big grin

smile fishy

Creshosk
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
smile fishy What kind of fish?

Dizzle
Originally posted by golem370
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Living Tribunal. Ha! I win. You lack the will of the warrior, so the fight is over before it starts. Rematch. Ha! I win again.

Longshot can beat all of DC singlehandedly. So can the Preacher, though he's already IN DC. Hmm, paradox...

Anyhoo, if Preacher's there, Bullseye with a nuke launcher with a range of 1 light year. It's gotta be pretty accurate too. Can't mess up Bullseye with faulty equipment. Unless Preacher can command inanimate objects... Then we scratch that and bring in TOAA.

If it works, Doom wins Iron Man's suit in the lottery, grabs Mjolnir, straps on some Quantam Bands, gets empowered by Galactus, yoinks the Eye of Agomotto, and goes off to kick some DC Earth buttock. Meh, he can have the reality gem too. Why not? Preacher got nuked, he's home free.

grey fox
phoenix-blah blah blah force of creation blah blah blah blah ultimate mutation blah blah blah hold universe in hands blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit

Jesse custer- phoenix die

Phoenix - b-b-b-ut i a-am a f-f-fforce f the universe i can t die (Looks at GS ) Back me up here will ya

Gs- (Takes in a really deep breath of air , everyone screams realising that their eyeballs are gonna explode due to all of the writing gs is gonna do)

WHAM

(GS is unconscious with grey fox standing on top of him holding a hefty looking war hammer in his hands and a smug grin on his face)

Grey fox - Another job well done......

laughing eek! laughing

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Only kidding gs, but it's kind of a view on how things go from my, c-masters and whirlys point of veiw ya know

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by grey fox
phoenix-blah blah blah force of creation blah blah blah blah ultimate mutation blah blah blah hold universe in hands blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit

Jesse custer- phoenix die

Phoenix - b-b-b-ut i a-am a f-f-fforce f the universe i can t die (Looks at GS ) Back me up here will ya

Gs- (Takes in a really deep breath of air , everyone screams realising that their eyeballs are gonna explode due to all of the writing gs is gonna do)

WHAM

(GS is unconscious with grey fox standing on top of him holding a hefty looking war hammer in his hands and a smug grin on his face)

Grey fox - Another job well done......

laughing eek! laughing

00000000000000

Only kidding gs, but it's kind of a view on how things go from my, c-masters and whirlys point of veiw ya know

lol yes very funny. Anyway dont name drop CM he doesnt like the phoenix concept but he knows where im coming from and that whirlys just a troll. You're all trolls Phoenix is the best blah blah blah.

On a serious note you have aspect of god Vs aspect of god. Who wins is debatable however i dont care because look at the calibre of opponent it would take. So its all good. smokin'

Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
lol yes very funny. Anyway dont name drop CM he doesnt like the phoenix concept but he knows where im coming from and that whirlys just a troll. You're all trolls Phoenix is the best blah blah blah.

On a serious note you have aspect of god Vs aspect of god. Who wins is debatable however i dont care because look at the calibre of opponent it would take. So its all good. smokin'


Simply Rubbish, this means nothing of the sortsmile

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Simply Rubbish, this means nothing of the sortsmile

Jean works for the Crown which is where gods consciousness lies. Jean is directed as you can see by a computer like voice (reference the omega point theory) which is suggested to be Gods voice. Jeans power derives from the Crown as stated in the comic. This power from the crown is referred to as the phoenix consciousness.

Theres no denying a connection between Jean and the supreme being of marvel.

BlaqChaos
Jean was just a host like the others before her and the others that will come after her.

Zahit
Wolverine backed by the power of a million exploding fanboys could do it...

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Jean was just a host like the others before her and the others that will come after her.

Jean isnt a host and never has been. She's an avatar with a genetic connection to the force. Its within her genes to wield the power. Rachel is a host for the power. She merely wielded a fragment of Jeans Phoenix essence which was why she could only amplify her existing abilities to cosmic levels instead of being virtually a goddess like her mother.

BlaqChaos
Granted, Rachel and Emma were host, but nothing about Jean genetically really stood out from the other Avatars. The Phoenix really just liked being Jean (it's words, not mine). Jean was just another omega level mutant like Magneto, X-Man, Kid Omega, and Psi-Lord.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Granted, Rachel and Emma were host, but nothing about Jean genetically really stood out from the other Avatars. The Phoenix really just liked being Jean (it's words, not mine). Jean was just another omega level mutant like Magneto, X-Man, Kid Omega, and Psi-Lord.

You're not understanding. Being able to tap into the force is part of Jeans mutation.

Your grasp of the phoenix concept is outdated. Phoenix isnt an entity as per current continuity. Its just the power of creation, an energy source. Jeans powers allow her to tap this energy reservoir whick makes her a phoenix. Jean is Phoenix. The energy sig is just a physical manifestation of her powers. Its not sentient. That is current continuity.

So it would seem genetically gene is the best around. That swhy she's referred to on numerous occassions as the ultimate mutation.

Just look at what her genes can help produce. Rachel Summers(Phoenix 2 who's own genes help produce Hyperstorm) Cable, Xman and so on.

Tapping into the phoenix force is her mutation. Phoenix force isnt a sentient being. That idea hasnt been continuity for 3 years

BlaqChaos
In Phoenix: Endsong the Phoenix Force seemed pretty sentient to me. And that just came out earlier this year. It was fully sentient and had a wil of it's own completely separate from the will of Jean Grey as they even had sevearl conversations with each other.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by BlaqChaos
In Phoenix: Endsong the Phoenix Force seemed pretty sentient to me. And that just came out earlier this year. It was fully sentient and had a wil of it's own completely separate from the will of Jean Grey as they even had sevearl conversations with each other.



That was a shard of Jeans phoenix essence. It was just a part of Jeans consciousness which got seperated from Jean as her consciousness was reforming in the white hot room. Thats why it was confused. Thats why at the end Jean ripped it from Emma and took it into herself.

That was basically cementing the new phoenix retcon as current continuity. It supported the idea that phoenix was Jean not a seperate entity. The phoenix force is just the power of creation derived from the crown that those with phoenix potential in their genes can tap into. The avatars are the phoenixes. The energy bird is just a manifestation of their power and it symbolises their rebirth into higher beings.

Ultimate Ion
If you read Endsong you should know Jean and Phoenix are one in the same.

PF: Jean Grey...how did you do that? Without me, without my power...
Jean: I am you, don't you remember?

Jean: I know you're confused but afterwards, in the white hot room...when all our pieces are back together...you'll understand. We'll understand.
PF: Because you and I are one.
Jean. Yes.

smile

golem370
Take Drax the Destoryer with Thanos Brain, Juggernauts Gem, Thors Hammer in one Hand and Morgs Axe in the other, Apocalypse Ship, Thors belt and gloves, Captain Universe Powers, Morgs WOL Powers and Franklin's Mental Powers and Vishanti Magic

grey fox
Yes but Jesse Custer will alway's win , reasoning i hear someone say , simple . As far as i know phoenix can't blink someone out of existence she would have to get close enough or do soemthig that takes time , jesse simply has to say two little words and it's over .

Creshosk
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes but Jesse Custer will alway's win , reasoning i hear someone say , simple . As far as i know phoenix can't blink someone out of existence she would have to get close enough or do soemthig that takes time , jesse simply has to say two little words and it's over . Two? Not two one.

BlaqChaos
Well, since it was the Phoenix Force that saved Galactus from the Big Crunch of the previous universe, is Jean Grey a reincarnated being from the previous universe or did someone else entirely act as the avatar?

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