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An old Italian saying is IN VINO VERITAS....With wine there is much truth....How true DO YOU think that saying is?

When it comes to wine I prefer California Zinfandel. Better taste.

But is true....high alcohol levels will make you say things...even personal matters.

I believe it oto be Roman but still........and I have no more to say to that...

Originally posted by debbiejo
An old Italian saying is IN VINO VERITAS....With wine there is much truth....How true DO YOU think that saying is?

very correct, except that it's latin, not italian. And it refers to using alcohol to get the truth out of your so called "friends" that might just become the next Brutus

~wickerman~

That's why I rarely ever get drunk.

I hold too much info and I'm not sure how reliable I am intoxicated.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's why I rarely ever get drunk.

I hold too much info and I'm not sure how reliable I am intoxicated.

-AC

And.......people........want to know that info becaaaaaaaaaaause...........

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
And.......people........want to know that info becaaaaaaaaaaause...........

~wickerman~

I dunno, why do they? I wasn't insinuating they do. I was talking about the comment and the thread as a whole, in relation to it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I dunno, why do they? I wasn't insinuating they do. I was talking about the comment and the thread as a whole, in relation to it.

-AC

Oh......right...... .......i thought you were some kinda MI6 undercover agent........which.......you're not........right? .......

~wickerman~

I think the point of the saying is that people tell the truth about what they think when they're drunk.

I can honestly say that there is much truth to the saying. For example, my roomates female friend(whom I despise) was over one night when I had been drinking all day. Normally, I'm quite tolerant and keep my disdain for her under wraps. However, this night, I was a total prick. Eventually, I apologized and everything went back to normal. But, I was sober when I told her I didn't really mean what I had said. So, again...the saying rings true.

Originally posted by Wickerman
Oh......right...... .......i thought you were some kinda MI6 undercover agent........which.......you're not........right? .......

~wickerman~

*Hides ether soaked rag*

No...I'm not .

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Hides ether soaked rag*

No...I'm not .

-AC

Oh well phfiew......'cause being as drunk as i am now i just dropped the blueprints to the new seismic inducing machine the russians are building and boy it would sure suck if you used that disturbingly large and out of place broche which i don't know why you're wearing seeing as how you're a guy to take pictures of them................... ......... *passes out*

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think the point of the saying is that people tell the truth about what they think when they're drunk.

I can honestly say that there is much truth to the saying. For example, my roomates female friend(whom I despise) was over one night when I had been drinking all day. Normally, I'm quite tolerant and keep my disdain for her under wraps. However, this night, I was a total prick. Eventually, I apologized and everything went back to normal. But, I was sober when I told her I didn't really mean what I had said. So, again...the saying rings true.

Yes, don't you think It some how enables your faculties and gets down to the root of what you are really thinking?...Like you said...

so....It drives away your inhibitions to tell the truth....And afterwords, you feel guilty for what you might have said, cause...It's not acceptable to someone, or that you might be taken as someone different then what you want to be portrayed as?

The dangerous thing is, even if you don't mean to say what you do as a result of intoxication, you cannot take it back or remove the damage it might have done even when sober.

It's a dangerous game.

-AC

as was said already, saying is Latin
and if i remember correctly it had also second part...something like in aqua sanitas..but not sure.


as for the topic.
imo it is partly truth.
because after consuming alcohol ppl tend to act differently than while sober.
of course their behaviour can be totally not acceptable... but i think it is reveling their inner self...something like that anyway

The Saying is Italian which is derived from Latin....but I think there can be much truth in letting your guard down...And what's so bad about that...Isn't truth better than deception, and lies..false hood..mislead words....Kinda makes head games go away...don't you think? I think the Italians were on to something..

if your gonna get bladdered to the point that you'll say things that you dont mean to say...then its best to come to an understanding with your mates that they'll all get just as bladdered as you...and either a) not remember anything you said anyway....or b) have said something embarresing themselves and so the next day you can sit in uncomfortable silence

Originally posted by debbiejo
An old Italian saying is IN VINO VERITAS....With wine there is much truth....How true DO YOU think that saying is?

Its the inability to control yourself ; some impaired minds find it difficult to bullshit. As it goes since a lie is made up, and its not factual, the person lying makes up the lie out of his/her min. Under alcoholic influence, its difficult to recount what the lie is (unless you are a really good liar) made up of or rather what the truth is not so recollections on events differ slightly.

When the person is questioned the next day when he/she has sobered up, then again another story emerges from the different ones told previously.

..thats how it goes

Originally posted by WindDancer
When it comes to wine I prefer California Zinfandel. Better taste.

But is true....high alcohol levels will make you say things...even personal matters.

I agree.. on both counts

California Zin droolio

Nothing beats a trip to Napa Valley.

I think its very true

In DK we have a saying that tranlastes to something like "From children and the drunk you'll hear the truth."

Sure, that saying up there is correct. Our "filters" evaporate the more entoxicated we get. Someone we stop caring about consequences.

Have YOU never woken up after a night on the town with more than your share of alcohol, and thought "Oh, sh*t! I did NOT say THAT... Did I? I did. Kill me now."?

Originally posted by debbiejo
An old Italian saying is IN VINO VERITAS....With wine there is much truth....How true DO YOU think that saying is? ...so true

Originally posted by debbiejo
An old Italian saying is IN VINO VERITAS....With wine there is much truth....How true DO YOU think that saying is?

''Sober man's thoughts are rtunken man's words''

I do tell the absolute and most brutal truths when Im drunk...every time.

Originally posted by debbiejo
The Saying is Italian which is derived from Latin....but I think there can be much truth in letting your guard down...And what's so bad about that...Isn't truth better than deception, and lies..false hood..mislead words....Kinda makes head games go away...don't you think? I think the Italians were on to something..

Stop attributing the saying to a nowadays people. The italians have nothing to do with it. It was initially a greek saying, but its most often met and known version is the latin one. A man named Alceus, a greek poet is said to have uttered it first. He lived around 600 BC. Back then, people that were suspected of having commited crimes were given strong wines in large clay dishes, which led them to get drunk and confess a lot quicker. From this, Alceus came up with the saying. When people drink, they start talking a lot, revealing secrets, personal things, etc. The germans used the quote "Die Wahrheit ist im Wein", that german poet Friderich Ruckert used in Vierzeilen. He however gave it a more satyrical hue.

"Die Wahrheit ist im Wein;
Das heiBt; In unsern Tagen,
MuB einer betrunken sein,
Um Lust zu haben, die Wahrheit zu sagen."

(Extremely rough translation: Truth is in wine/That means that in our time/Someone must be drunk/In order to feel like saying the truth).

The Latin version remains the same as the greek one.

Please stop calling it italian. Thank you.

~wickerman~

Whooo....aren't we feisty....Well...All I know, is my grandmother was full Italian right from the boat...and she used to say this.....Of course she attended churches in the US that spoke Latin...So maybe she would combine Latin and Italian..... If I was wrong, I'm wrong...maybe it's Latin....Grab ahold of our self man!!

All I'm trying to say is.."When people drink, are they more honest."

Originally posted by debbiejo
Whooo....aren't we feisty....Well...All I know, is my grandmother was full Italian right from the boat...and she used to say this.....Of course she attended churches in the US that spoke Latin...So maybe she would combine Latin and Italian..... If I was wrong, I'm wrong...maybe it's Latin....Grab ahold of our self man!!

All I'm trying to say is.."When people drink, are they more honest."

WELL I HAD SOME BEER SO I'M BEING HONEST DAMMIT!!!!!!!

yeah, sorry for the little outburst, but that's prolly it, her mixing the Latin from Mass, and all. And even if it's the same language, i was just saying the Latins didn't make up the saying, and neither did the italians, which are mostly descendants of the romans, so......yeah.....

An italian saying for example is a quote from Dante Aligheri's "Divine Comedy" (Divina Commedia) "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate!" (Leave all hope, you that enter!), the words written on the gates of Hell.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by WindDancer
When it comes to wine I prefer California Zinfandel. Better taste.

But is true....high alcohol levels will make you say things...even personal matters.

californian Wine is excellent, from what I know the original Frence grapes were exported there and due to the better climate etc they produce better wine. could be wrong of course.

Red wine is amazing, mellow relaxing and yep the truth comes out after a few bottles.