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Ki-Adi-Mundi vs. Adi Gallia vs. Luminara Unduli?

Hey Sith, I don't wanna be a jerk but 3-way duels like this are kinda confusing because you can't really figur out or picture the battle. Anyways, Luminara Unduli.

This is kinda a free-for-all, meaning all the rules of speculation take over like maggots on a corpse.

But Ki has a really poor reputation for a fighter and especially for defense, and as for Adi I don't know enough about her to really compare her to Luminara, the Soresu master.

Out of these three I'd say Ki-Adi is the best, but it can go any way.

Ki's got a bad record though. He was captured in the Battle of Geonosis. He was defeated by Grievious, and then killed by perhaps four to six clone troopers at a medium distance. Whereas at least Luminara has fought in large battles (Such as on Ansion) while maintaining her focus and her faith in Soresu. I'm actually kinda curious as to how she got wiped out. I doubt she was shot from the front unless it was by a legion of troopers or a canon.

I don't know how Luminara went wither, but Ki-Adi losing to GG is only half of it. He was the only Jedi out of about five who was able to even stand against him, which he did successfully for sometime. May I also say that Plo went down to two or so.

I'm pretty sure Ki would go down pretty quickly.

But the overall victor in my mind (that im picturing) is Luminara, but I'm not that familiar with Adi.

Luminara got taken out on the Wookiee planet (I'm not even going to try to spell it) by Clones.

luminara wins ki sucks (4-6 troopers thats it) and adi is, well i doubt stronger then luminara

Adi Gallia would take this one for me. if both had a fight with Ki, adi wud win basically untouched whereas undi wud be hurt and tired so adi could then take her.

Ki is ridiculously underestimated here. 4-6? Try 8-10. Doesn't sound like much, but when troops who have fought and died for you shoot you out of the blue, it's kind of hard to defend yourself.

He was beginning a charge when, all of a sudden, his little squad stops and takes aim. Slowly turning around as he realizes what is happening, he throws his saber up desperately. He succeeds in blocking the first few shots, but is quickly overwhelmed by the well-aimed shots.

And as for Grievous? Janus, I've already given you the Grievous equation. You can help me explain it to the others. Or better yet, I'll just copy it here. . .

"Well, according to Count Dooku in LOE, who is Grievous' saber mentor, the General is incredibly skilled. However, while scolding him for seeming imperfections in his fighting style, the Count states that Grievous' greatest weapon and ally in combat is the element of surprise, along with fear and confusion. Without it, he would be destroyed. Then, the Sith Lord proceeds to name a few Jedi who would destroy the General if he didn't use these to his advantage; Obi-Wan was one of these Jedi, along with Cin Drallig, Mace Windu, and Yoda. Anakin was not. This may merely be the result of Dooku's determination not to acknowledge Anakin's growing power, but whatever. Proceeding. . . .

So, on Hypori, when a Jedi was killed in a split second by a mechanical fiend dropping onto his skull, Masters Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti were stunned and confused, along with the other Jedi. They had never seen or heard of such a creature, and as a result, were sufficiently astounded, enough to give the droid General a victory against five Jedi. The same thing happened in LOE (I know, I use it a lot) when the General moves to capture the Chancellor. He uses a dramatic entrance combined with half a dozen of his towering elites to strike fear into the hearts of everyone present, thus ensuring a victory born of deception.

Anyway, as you saw in ROTS, Grievous has not a single one of these advantages on his side. IN fact, Obi-Wan has the advantage of surprise on his side, and although it does little to faze Grievous, it nullifies the General's advantages. It was only Grievous' arrogance and confidence that kept him in the duel. When he realized he had not a chance, and probably remembered Dooku's warning, he fled.

Hope that answers it sufficiently enough. Just a theory, but in my mind, a fitting one."

That was from the Ventress vs. Grievous thread.

point taken but can he win?

Agreed. Even if I give Ki-Adi-Mundi sufficient credit for defending against Grievious, he could not kill Grievious, and Luminara, a practitioner of the same style as Obi-Wan and someone who was a master when he was a padawan (Cloak of Deception) would have a solid defense and she is already shown to have massive free for all experience (Severeal times in The Approaching Storm) and amazing agility, dexterity, and Force control (Again, TAS). I wouldn't say she really surpassed Obi-Wan by ROTS, since he was much more active and easily had better power, but by AOTC, she was his equal at least.

It's possible, certainly. Adi really isn't as big a hitter as either of these two in my opinion, seeing as how she was utterly slaughtered by Grievous. Ki at least put up a fight before his rescue. However, Luminara would still most likely be the victor. She is considered a peer of Obi-Wan in Soresu mastery. That's pretty damn good.

I'm surprised more jedi didn't follow Soresu, really. The only ones I know of are Barriss Offee, Luminara Unduli, and Obi-Wan.

Whats the point? Its not like they counted on going into battle or anything.

Word.

The more I hear about Soresu the better I think it is. The reason I think Ki wins may just be because the only place I have heard anything about Luminara is wikipdeia and we all know how reliable that is.

We've heard a great deal about her in the Medstar series.

And in the sources I just listed above. Cloak of Darkness, The Approaching Storm, and the Medstar series. If you don't have access to those sources, I suggest considering them over Wikipedia, which is for the lazy.

I have the Medstar books(at least one of them), but I haven;t read them because I was told they are not very good. I have been reading Ringworld recently instead of SW(blasphemy).

Youa ctually listen to someone else's opinion on anything?

Well, the Medstar series IS very good, especially the second book. But if you're up for n00b h4x00rs and a virtual saberfest, try another book.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Ki's got a bad record though. He was captured in the Battle of Geonosis. He was defeated by Grievious, and then killed by perhaps four to six clone troopers at a medium distance. Whereas at least Luminara has fought in large battles (Such as on Ansion) while maintaining her focus and her faith in Soresu. I'm actually kinda curious as to how she got wiped out. I doubt she was shot from the front unless it was by a legion of troopers or a canon.

True but you cant compare like that. Yoda dident fight at geonosis, he never really beat dooku, and he lost to sids, but yoda is the best jedi we know. Im just trying to say that records dont really matter sometimes. Obi wan has a bad record also, but well u get my point.

NJO LUKE PWNS ALL EXCEPT C3PO WHO IS TOTAL GOD lol

Luke is not in this thread so dont blurt out idiot comments.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
True but you cant compare like that. Yoda dident fight at geonosis, he never really beat dooku, and he lost to sids, but yoda is the best jedi we know. Im just trying to say that records dont really matter sometimes. Obi wan has a bad record also, but well u get my point.

That is a good point. But unlike Obi and Yoda, Ki wasn't badass.

he beats yoda and i hate NJO

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
That is a good point. But unlike Obi and Yoda, Ki wasn't badass.

very true.

yea

I think Adi Gallia is not being given enough credit she could take this

(hey guys, new here. what do you think of the sig?)

i think Adi Gallia isn't getting enough credit here. she's actually a very strong warrior, not to mention she trained Siri, considered one of the strongest and most focused fighters as a Padawan.

Ki Adi may not be so strong..so he'd probably go down right away, then between adi and lumi, i'm not sure, i don't know much about lumi. but if he uses soresu like you say, he would probably end up beating adi, but it would be close.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
True but you cant compare like that. Yoda dident fight at geonosis, he never really beat dooku, and he lost to sids, but yoda is the best jedi we know. Im just trying to say that records dont really matter sometimes. Obi wan has a bad record also, but well u get my point.

Obi? Bad record? Pshh. He was in more duels during his time than anyone in the entire series. Let's see:

Darth Maul
Count Dooku
Assaj Ventress
Assaj Ventress
Assaj Ventress
Count Dooku
General Grievous
Darth Vader
Darth Vader

And let's see. He loses only to Count Dooku. That's pretty damn good.

I recently read the first Medstar book and enjoyed it. I just finished it maybe a week ago. I'd read it if I were you, Glentract.

I think Ki-Adi-Mundi would win, and I'm sorry Dues Ex, but Ki wasnt captured a Geonosis, as u can clearly see him getting of a Republic gun ship. Also, Ki only lost to General Grievous BEFORE Mace crippled him. Adi was killed before Mace crippled GG, and honestly, I dont think that Luminaria is that great (check out supershadow.com then the most powerful jedi). Also, Ki has been Council for like, a thousand years (exaggeration)

Hmm dude stop quoting supershadow... For the love of your own life and your time here stop quoting Supershadow its all bullshit... Forget everything you ever read on that site, its all fake... All of it.

How do you know everything on that website is fake?

Just do a search for supershadow on this forum.. You'll find out, or do a search for Supershadow at wikipedia.org whatever one you choose, you'll find out the truth.

Also try finding something he said on his site on a site not owned by him... You won't be able too.

Originally posted by Council#13
How do you know everything on that website is fake?

Do you think I quote the guy because I idolise him or something? HAHAHA!!!

I will explain what is fake: most of his answers like cortier yoda the whill for example, 90% of his sith/jedi history, all interviews, the midi-chlorean list, most powerfull bs list, all his so called rough drafts of SW movies, almost all of his FAQ page.
Almost all new info you read on his site is fake, so better never read it at all, don't take the chance.

SCORE!! Another soul saved!! yay!

Well, I guess you do have a point there, and also a lot of his scripts arent correct.... but I still think that Ki would win.

Ki adi mundi is an average jedi master. He isn't all powerful like yoda, or mace windu

Oh is that a fact, eh?
Maybe it's true, maybe not, we will never know..

gallia wins.
she defeated bounty hunter jenna zan arbor and gave aurra sing a run for her money. not to mention she fought grievous twice, making him retreat the first and only losing the second- from what we saw which was a brief part of the duel- due to being in a narrow hallway with lots of others there. she put up a valiant fight with savage, she was fast and had acrobatic, martial and saber skill and was fairly decent in force power. she trained one of the best knights, siri tachi and before then trained her cousin, stass allie. she used shien, the same fighting style as aayla secura and plo koon which was very physical and offense oriented.

next its luminara, who managed not to get disarmed and captured on the first battle of geanosis, held her own against asajj ventress with blurred vision and is a great soresu practitioner, improving her performance through flexibility, acrobatics and martial skill and trained barriss offee, who later became quite powerful. she's a saesee tiin/eeth koth grade duelist.

then its ki adi who comes last even though he's yoda's former padawan, had failed to overcome grievous, aurra sing, asajj ventress and who couldn't be a convincing master to a'sharad hett- so he was given to an'ya kuro, who was a grey jedi. he was disarmed and helpless on geanosis by the geanosians who "weren't soldiers". while i cant comment on his saber style or his force powers- due to lack of evidence, it can be said that he was a good leaderwho had considerable skills but a number of drawbacks in battle longevity that got worse with age.

I think Mundi is underrated some here. He was picked to go for Sharad Hett because he was the strongest Jedi available who wasn't friends with him, he's stalemated Asajj, and such.

Not saying that he necessarily wins, but he is a tough contender.

Mundi or Luminara wins.

BTW, this is a pretty ridiculous strength showing from Luminara.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p751/Intrepid37/Luminara%20Unduli/Strength/LU1_zps62cf6a78.png
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p751/Intrepid37/Luminara%20Unduli/Strength/LU2_zps52c0f64e.png
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p751/Intrepid37/Luminara%20Unduli/Strength/LU3_zps7d1367c2.png

Li-Adi has a pretty gppd feat where nhe lifts a rather large ship while fatigies and injured in one of the early republic arcs.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
BTW, this is a pretty ridiculous strength showing from Luminara.


She also killed a battledroid with a kicked rock right after.