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Well put Illustrious. Remember. The best debaters. Not those simple force their views upon others. Convince us that you are right.

And Illustrious, I don't know, having Ragnos kind of overpowers it. There should be certain characters unable to participate.

Alright, I've read up. Is Faunus on tonight?

You said it yourself, it's not necessarily who WILL win, it's who puts the best case FOR their character winning. Keep in mind we don't know that much about Ragnos, so it will require a good debator to use him to his full power.

Agreed. The burden of proof is on the player. You wouldn't see me using Coleman Trebor, for damn sure.

Fair enough. Anyone who wishes to participate can PM one of us.

Actually, I have set it up so they can go ahead and post in this thread.

Post in this thread with your FIRST pick. If it is not already taken, that is your round 1 selection.

ANY Star Wars Universe character is viable.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Agreed. The burden of proof is on the player. You wouldn't see me using Coleman Trebor, for damn sure.

Yeah, I happen to like Mr. Coleman.

That guy actually looks kinda cool. . . Sucks how they kill off all the kewl ones. Maul, Jango, *cough*Coleman*cough*.

Can I pick Corran Horn?

You can pick whoever you want, provided you are willing to expend a 1st round pick on Corran Horn, and you are capable of debating for whyhe would beat other guys and their respective armies.

Keep in mind, all characters selected will become a general of an army, so it's not necessarily solely the person who is the best 1 on 1 fighter.

Debate, people.

Let me get this straight. I am trying to convince you three that Corran Horn would win against, say, Yoda. Well, screw that. I want Yoda instead if it isn't to late to change.

Okay, Yoda has been picked.

You can always pick Corran Horn in the later rounds when everyone took all the big hitters. Nice sleeper btw.

Errr...

Ganner Rhysode has been picked. Yoda is still out in the market.

Interesting that when you could've picked anyone, you picked Ganner Rhysode.

Sorry, seeing your post, I re-edited my post. You chose witchever one you want for me.

Fine. You picked Yoda. Yoda is the #1 draft pick in the SWRisk game.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Interesting that when you could've picked anyone, you picked Ganner Rhysode.

Well, even if I lose, I would rather have it more "fair". To me at least, Ganner is a good choice. But, you gave me Yoda, so, I am going with him.

I appreciate the attempt, you can still grab Ganner with a lower draft pick. But it would be a big disadvantage if someone has Exar Kun and you have Corran Horn, for example.

I enjoy a good challenge. Even if I lose, it's still better to me than something one without actually doing anything.

Words to live by.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Words to live by.

Amen.

I choose Exar Kun first
2nd is Marka Ragnos

You only get 1 draft pick per round.

So far it is:

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Exar Kun -- Lord Darkstar

I think we shouldn't include Marka. That is beyond a challenge to beat him.

darn it you are right Glentract
Oh well I will stay with my choices I basically introduced the two of them to KMC and taught most of the oldies about them so I hope I won't feel to bad

As I mentioned though, Marka Ragnos would be hard to debate for. Unless Nai Fohl or someone of his caliber does, I can't imagine too many people making a good case for him.

Remember, you as the player have the burden of proof. While it may be difficult to defeat Ragnos, it is a test to see who has the better debating skills and facts to do it. We don't know much about Ragnos, so burden of proof is difficult.

is there any chance we can have three choices, one powerful one, one that would be challenging and require us to think (ie an ancient sith, before Exar) and a weak one?

If that is the case then for the strong I take Exar, for the thinking one I take Marka and for the weak one I'll take Bandon. If you decide not to do that, fine, and since Glentract made me feel guilty, I will not take Exar and instead go with Marka as my first choice

There will be more than 1 round, seeing as how 1 general would be nearly impossible.

So the top 2 picks are:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar

My pick shall be Count Dooku.

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in

Nice picks, I can see this getting very interesting.

Keep in mind this is just your Round 1 Draft pick, so whoever you pick will likely be the staple of your army.

Aassja Ventress

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku - Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia (well, I hope you are very good at debating )

Interesting, I expected all the powerhouses to be cleaned out early. Apparently there are still some very, very powerful characters left the earlybirds didn't take.

All part of my plan

Originally posted by Illustrious
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku - Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia (well, I hope you are very good at debating )

Interesting, I expected all the powerhouses to be cleaned out early. Apparently there are still some very, very powerful characters left the earlybirds didn't take.

What fun is there if you take the most powerful characters?

yeah, that's a good point, but what fun is it if you get bounced before you can really start?

I admit, if you can pull it off with Assaj Ventress as your staple, you must be very good.

And apparently Se7in has some draft strategy we all don't know about.

Revan

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku - Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor (huge surprise, huh?)

Originally posted by Illustrious
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku - Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor (huge surprise, huh?)

Hey what can I say? At least I don't parade Revan as god of SW.

I did expect Revan to go top 5. I sure as hell didn't expect Assaj Ventress to though, props to Zayzia; she's got balls (figuratively).

Originally posted by Illustrious
I did expect Revan to go top 5. I sure as hell didn't expect Assaj Ventress to though, props to Zayzia; she's got balls (figuratively).

I like a good challenge.

Yeah, when Ragnos comes and attacks you, I hope you're up to it.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Yeah, when Ragnos comes and attacks you, I hope you're up to it.

Hey this isn't gonna go through the entire night is it? Because I'm pretty damn tired as it is.

No, you can go ahead and go get your 8 hours. The night does seem drab for drafts.

alright, I'll catch some shut-eye as well, be back around noon central time. For my second round I chose Exar, third NJO Luke, forth Naga Sadow, 5th Kreia, 6th Ulic, 7th Malak, 8th Sidious, 9th Mace, 10th Obi-Wan, 11th RotS Anakin

Please take my choices in that order until I come back, thanks. The reason I put so many is in case some of them are already taken

1. Darth Sidious
2. Anakin Skywalker
3. Mace Windu
4. Agen Kolar
5. Saesee Tiin

Those are my top 5 choices

Also, my cookie Ill?

And- Yeah, powerhouses are rad.

Lol this may come as a surprise, but I'll debate for either...

1. Darth Sidious - ROTS (Ugh...even though I hate his depiction)
2. DE Sidious - (He may be ridiculously overpowered, but gotta love Force Storm.
3. ROTJ Sidious (Here is where he is at his EVIL form the most)

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku - Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody (surprise, surprise)
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel

This is going to be very interesting.

(darn, my Revan choice is taken.)

Exar Kun.

btw, when we choose someone..can we use their varoius assets?

an example...umm..

say someone controls a business, or corporation or something, can we use that for them.

well I don't know (I didn't make it) but it would probably depend on the circumstance, for instance, I cannot use all the ancient sith that Marka Ragnos controlled, but if the person was non-force senstive, then it is POSSIBLE (not for sure) that you could use some (say 10) of their followers. But again, I am not in charge here, so this is not for sure, it just makes sense

Well, that would be rather unfair for those who lacked such followers. Although there may be perks like such for capturing certain planets. Exar taking Yavin 4, for example, may result in the acquisition of a Massassi battalion. Although I'll have to consult Janus and Illustrious about it. Don't want to complicate things.

Hell. Sidious wouldn't need to fight. He'd get his lackies. Sooner or later, half of this list is going to be current or former lackies of Sidious. Lol not really.But then again, you have...

1. Darth Maul
2. General Grievous
3. Count Dooku
4. Darth Vader
5. Mara Jade
6. Executer Sedriss
7. Emperor's Hands
8. Confederacy Leadership
9. Republic Leadership
10. Imperial Leadership
11. Confederacy Army
12. Republic Army
13. Imperial Army

Holy hell. I didn't realize how many he did have. Am I leaving anyone else?

k, i didn't mean like that. when the second round starts my real powerman will come out...and i will explain in full.


which reminds me..we will just keep drafting for a bit? to get a few guys on our side? and how many?

Well, Illustrious and Janus have to arrive first. Once we're all on, and enough people have characters, we'll begin.

Originally posted by Illustrious
As I mentioned though, Marka Ragnos would be hard to debate for. Unless Nai Fohl or someone of his caliber does, I can't imagine too many people making a good case for him.

Well...I would have picked Ragnos just for the fun of it...

But since Ragnos is already taken my pick will be Master Kavar...

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl

This is definitely becoming interesting.

All characters will be assigned an army of contemporaries. This allows for the character to be put into context with their timeline (giving any character who lived in a time with superior forces an advantage).

so in the army of contemporaries, who would I have, Marka obviously, but also Ludo Kressh, Naga Sadow, Lord Simus, and Gav Daragon but would I also get Ajunta Pall and Tulak Hord?
Also, how large will these armies be?

The army of contemporaries will not include named individuals, unless of course, they are force-insensitive.

So Marka Ragnos would include a nameless bunch of Sith individuals, Naga Sadow some Massassi Warriors, etc.

but then that doesn't make sense since we have no idea how strong the nameless sith would be for Marka or Revan or Exar etc.

In the same way, We have no idea exactly how strong, or accurate, a clonetrooper is; never once is it mentioned what their effective range is in the novels or movies, etc. That is the job of the debater, hence why it is a greater challenge to wield the Ancient Sith effectively.

*evil laugh* good good, well when will this start? I'm looking forward to it

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
*evil laugh* good good, well when will this start? I'm looking forward to it

Well, it will start when we get a good number of competitors. I'll let this be open for a bit to see just how many individuals are interested.

hmm...so we can't get a second in command or something? i think that could be cool.

I'll take Mace Windu.

Originally posted by BlackVortex
hmm...so we can't get a second in command or something? i think that could be cool.

There's a round 2.

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus

How many planets do we start with? Oh and when do we start.

see that's what i thought. so we do this first draft? then another draft? and how many other draftings until we get our planets and such?

Too late to join this? I pick Luke Skywalker

There will be at least 20 planets, more depending on the number of participants.

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138

when will the second round be?

I know you want to keep it open, but couldn't those that are already in go onto the second round and anyone else who wants to come just picks from what is left?

Well, we'll just wait for a few more people. Perhaps until we have 15. That way we can keep everyone on the same page, you know?

I'm still waiting for Sorgo to claim Dooku, lol.

doesn't Se7in have Dooku?

Ah, how right you are.

Who do you think he would pick know? Or will he demand to have Dooku?

Probably won't bother here. . .

Probably right if fanboys can't have their characters they won't show up.

Question how do we determine who attacks who first?

Well, we're not up to that stage yet, so don't worry. I'll have to discuss that with Illustrious and Janus.

Ok thanks.

And where the hell did Janus go?

Hard day at work is my guess. Probably off sleeping or something.

Too many calls, I guess.

Probably. And some people are just plain difficult to deal with.

KMC has plenty of those, unfortunately; our only hope is to get the ones that are good to deal with in threads like these.

Mhm. So let's see who we still need. . .

I'd rather enjoy having Dipsit, simply because I'm curious as to who he'd choose. Probably Mon Mothma, lol. Always the protagonizing one, that Dipsit.

This should be kept at the top guys.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Mhm. So let's see who we still need. . .

I'd rather enjoy having Dipsit, simply because I'm curious as to who he'd choose. Probably Mon Mothma, lol. Always the protagonizing one, that Dipsit.

Drop Dipsit a PM, he'd be interesting to have around.

We definitely need Fishy, where is that dude?

What about Emperor Revan?

Originally posted by Lord Simus
What about Emperor Revan?

I think Jauns might be biased against him. He also isn't on much; but it would be good if he was here.

It's really more that the fact that ER doesn't use debating skill more than trying to shove facts down your face.

Anyways I think someone already took Revan.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think Jauns might be biased against him. He also isn't on much; but it would be good if he was here.

That's rather silly. Simply because they come to disagreements doesn't mean they have that bad of a relation. Although, if I may say so myself, Emperor Revan has never really won my admiration as a debater in the way, say, Nai or Illustrious have.

How will we figure out who gets the Clones I mean three people could have them. Or will people who have the same army be allies?

well if they were allies then it could be unfair, they would probably just divide the number of clones up between each person that would have them

How is that unfair when Ragnos "The most powerful of the most powerful" is in this?

Because Ragnos is the hardest person to argue a case for. . .

because he is just one person and could be tired out by shear numbers, for instance, if all who would control the clones were allies then you could get Sidious, Yoda, Mace and whomever else joins and is a jedi before the purge all teamed up, even Ragnos would have trouble with that

Sorry that just confused me.

No, there are no intrinsic allies, however, what goes on between two people (e.g. Person 1 won't attack Person 2 until Person 3 is eliminated) is none of our business. Under the table alliances are completely legal

If two people who both lead Clone armies attack each other, then it is whoever makes their case better for their clone army winning.

Thank you for clearing that up.

yeah thanks

as i'm not completely literate yet on Exar Kun, besides some basics..what kind of army will my "General de Armee" be leading?

Better read up, or you're not going to be in any condition to debate your character against, say that of Nai Fohl.

Lord Darkstar seems to know a good amount about Exar Kun. Better seek advice from him (if he is willing to give it to a fellow competitor).

actually, i have read up on him, and have places to get more valid info. but i was hoping for some basic help from the guys leading this. or should i be deciding what army i want him to lead?

I doubt it. . . anything to help the Kun Kause.

No, the judges will assign said general with an army of contemporaries.

For example, we'd assign Naga Sadow the Massassi warriors, Anakin Skywalker, the Clone troopers. . .

Correct.

And I'm back. Yes, work was hell. Locals specials, comp. tickets. Assholes. Everything. But I am heyah.

And I don't have a problem with anyone participating, unless they start making this a mockery of a contest and begin bashing, which I will stop promptly, or if the reasoning is terribly off, I will comment. It's gonna be my job. And if you think I am bias, you have two other judges to choose from. And if that isn't enough, the challenge is to prove your case anyways.

I'm pretty sure we'll be ready to begin by late day. Although I'd rather some people not join. . .

Whatever, I'll see y'all in da morning. I'm pooped. Hope you have time to get on tomorrow, Janus.

Later, although I'm curious who shoudn't join. I mean, anyone who is incapable of even a half assed debate should lose by default and be put out early.

You know who I'm talkin' 'bout. A certain Fitso, a couple o' Mauls, and, er, others. Although I'd give them a chance; I'm being fair in this thread, at least.

Yeah, I can see the problem. But hey, if you can't use periods or capital letters in your paragraphs, I won't read it and dismiss it on principle. If you want me to read and comprehend it, take your time with it. Only fair.

Mhm. Although I enjoy seeing Fisto and/or Maul in play. The characters, that is.

Fisto can probably lead armies. I doubt Maul's abilities.

He can recon. Heh.

Eh, the'll likely be a round 2/3, so everyone can have 2/3 generals. Then we will randomly assign planets to them, and the games will begin.

MAUL PWNZ WITH A DOUBLEBLADED LIGHTSABERZ LOLOPLOLOL!L!L!OLL!L!L!!L!!!!!ONE!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!!1
1!!!111

*inhales deeply* *exhales*

Maul does pwn with a double bladed lightsaber. Except watch out for those sneaky padawans!

lmfao!

I need a new sig.

Me, too. But I'm too lazy tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

Yeah, I'm too lazy to go picture hunting, that's just annoying.

It sure is. Finding pics online is harder than finding an ex at an Arkansas family reunion.

Tennessee works better for that joke.

Finding pics just grinds my gears.

Meh, I have more pics than I know what to do with, and I can't find more than one or two I want in a sig. I just hate the size limitations... makes it harder to work with.

Yeah, 450x150 really is nothing for a sig, and 30kb is hard unless you compress it or reduce the quality significantly.

If anyones bored enough, I'd love a good Darth Bane or Jaster Mereel sig

Originally posted by Illustrious
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl

This is definitely becoming interesting.

All characters will be assigned an army of contemporaries. This allows for the character to be put into context with their timeline (giving any character who lived in a time with superior forces an advantage).

Yay!

Originally posted by Jaster Mereel
If anyones bored enough, I'd love a good Darth Bane or Jaster Mereel sig
Go ahead and PM me or put that same request in my sig gallery (Link in my profile) and I'll get to it as soon as I can.

Hm. . . is Fishy in this thing yet?

I'll pm him.

We need at least 12, IMO.

Okay i'm in...

Reading this thread took me longer then deciding who I was going to pick.

I'm going with Malak, he should be in more debates.

With the 12th pick in the SWRisk draft, Fishy selects Malak.

1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138
12) Malak -- Fishy

Round 2 should be starting up, so be ready to make your next picks.

Hmm I pick Obi Wan Kenobi in ANH.

Alright, Round 1 is at a close, if anyone wants to join, they can PM a judge to work something out.

Round 2 commences.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138
12) Malak -- Fishy

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy

Ah. . . Very good.

Indeed, 12 players for the SWRisk game.

Coming along nicely. . .

Can we start picking round two characters now aswell?

If so, General Grevious

Xanatos.


(muahahaha...)

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jaster Mereel
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138
12) Malak -- Fishy

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex

Damn Illustiorus, you beat me to it. . .

Yeah, I'm fast.