ROTS Sidious, Malak, Kreia vs. Vodo-Siosk Bass, Lord Hoth, ROTS Mace
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Lord Simus
I give it to Mace and his possy but not by much.
Darth Faunus
This actually isn't a half bad thread. Requires some thought. . .
Mace vs. Malak
This would be a close fight either way, resulting in a long, drawn out battle.
Lord Hoth vs. Darth Sidious
Same as above. I've recently reevaluated my stance on Sidious, so I think he has a chance here. Although for the hell of it, I'll say Hoth, after a hard fight.
Vodo-Siosk Bass vs. Darth Traya
*sigh* Another hard one. Vodo has stood up to Exar with a walking stick, so it's safe to say that he could best Traya in a duel. That includes Force powers, for Bass was said to be so powerful that he could amplify the strength and durability of his cane to the point that it could stop a lightsaber. That's some power right there.
So, Vodo takes out Kreia, and assists Mace with a victory against Malak. Following, the two help Lord Hoth vanquish Sidious. However it is paired up, the battles are close. But let's try a different one.
Mace Windu vs. Darth Traya
Surprise, surprise, hard duel. Mace has Traya greatly outclassed in the dueling department, but in terms of Force power, she's superior. She took out three Council members with a wave of her hand. Pretty good if you ask me. However, Mace could probably stall her for a few moments in Force techniques as well; he's definetely strong there, considering he's the second most powerful being in the Order. But if it comes to a duel, Kreia is screwed as hell.
Lord Hoth vs. Darth Malak
Malak's only advantage against Mace Windu, outside of his marginally better Force technique, and even that is debatable, is his size, and his vastly superior reach. The guy's swing has a minimum radius of seven, eight feet. And his superior physical strength would assist him somewhat as well. Those elements are completely lost here, as Lord Hoth is without a doubt stronger than Malak, and of course, an incredible duelist. He led the Army of Light in the Battle of Rusaan, a tribute to his power and skill as a fighter.
Vodo-Siosk Bass vs. Darth Sidious
Vodo most likely has this, although it would be a good fight. He's a strong duelist, using his (OMG!!!) walking stick, and no slouch in the Force department easier, capable of ampliyfing the durability of his cane his mind to the point where it can block lightsabers. Pretty good.
Lord Janus
Don't think so linearally.
This is actual, on further inspection, a very lopsided match.
Why? Well, look at the characters and how they act:
On team one you have Sidious and Kreia, who are the sneakiest, evillest bastards with enough Force power to use almost any backdrop effectively. Team them up with Malak, who is a cosiderable duellist by reputation and is no slump in Force powers either, as demonstrated.
On team two you have three primarily melee guys. Vodo was a grandmaster of duelling, sure, and he did shrug off Exar Kun's Sith magic. However, he's the heaviest hitter here. Mace, while good, cannot steamroll anyone on the other team save for Sidious, in ideal situations. Realistically, with three Sith on one team and three jedi on the other, there will be no such situations. And Lord Hoth is reputedly good and smart, but how good he is is the biggest unknown in this thread. He was a leader among jedi, so he was at least on Mace's level, if perhaps a bit higher. And Vodo is quite a bit above both of them. But the Sith can better stall the melee assault and rip the conpetition to shreds. Putting Sidious and Kreia on a team is sick, and Malak simply gives them the stable rock they need to be a very very effective team.
Darth Somebody
Janus, lol - imagine Sidious and Kreia as a couple.
Rand al'Thor
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Janus, lol - imagine Sidious and Kreia as a couple.
yucky
Illustrious
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Janus, lol - imagine Sidious and Kreia as a couple.
I'd rather not, but Janus can go ahead.
Darth Somebody
Is Kreia really as evil as Palpatine?
Darth Faunus
She wanted to destroy the Force. The repurcussions of such an act would tear the galaxy apart.
Rand al'Thor
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Is Kreia really as evil as Palpatine?
I don't think she was evil...just misguided and overall simply lacking anyone who really cared about her I certianly didn't when I played KOTOR 2 (the old hag) and I was a female(just for the Atton romance dioluges which are friggen hirlarious).
Darth Faunus
Well, misguided or not, if you're prepared to tear apart the universe itself, without a care for the effects on anyone else, you're pretty damn evil.
Rand al'Thor
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Well, misguided or not, if you're prepared to tear apart the universe itself, without a care for the effects on anyone else, you're pretty damn evil.
Ehh...good point.
Darth Faunus
Originally posted by Lord Janus
Don't think so linearally.
This is actual, on further inspection, a very lopsided match.
Why? Well, look at the characters and how they act:
On team one you have Sidious and Kreia, who are the sneakiest, evillest bastards with enough Force power to use almost any backdrop effectively. Team them up with Malak, who is a cosiderable duellist by reputation and is no slump in Force powers either, as demonstrated.
On team two you have three primarily melee guys. Vodo was a grandmaster of duelling, sure, and he did shrug off Exar Kun's Sith magic. However, he's the heaviest hitter here. Mace, while good, cannot steamroll anyone on the other team save for Sidious, in ideal situations. Realistically, with three Sith on one team and three jedi on the other, there will be no such situations. And Lord Hoth is reputedly good and smart, but how good he is is the biggest unknown in this thread. He was a leader among jedi, so he was at least on Mace's level, if perhaps a bit higher. And Vodo is quite a bit above both of them. But the Sith can better stall the melee assault and rip the conpetition to shreds. Putting Sidious and Kreia on a team is sick, and Malak simply gives them the stable rock they need to be a very very effective team.
My first response was in support of the Sith Lords, until it was edited. . .
Hm, perhaps you're right. Good points there, although any of these Jedi could likely hold their own against their respective enemies in a saberfest, although once Kreia brings out those uber Force powers, they're screwed. Perhaps only Vodo-Siosk bass stands a chance against her in both departments. He completely outclasses her in dueling skill, and likely can stand up to her in a Force battle. One can't be the mightiest Jedi of their time and not be damn good at Force techniques.
I suppose you're right, although I don't in any way think the Sith will win with absolutely no trouble. However, it does seem that Darth Traya's becoming the new Nihilus, the new Luke.
Lord Janus
Well, with that instakill power she demonstrated, she is conceivably up there. And I have gotten tired of arguing groups of people versus people as brewing down to simply one on one- that's not accurate. I think we should instead evaluate them as a group, and debate group tactics and strengths, not so much individuals. Otherwise, why team them up?
Tiberius
i only know sidious, Maca and HOTH of these you just named. So i wouldn't know.
Illustrious
Originally posted by Lord Janus
Well, with that instakill power she demonstrated, she is conceivably up there. And I have gotten tired of arguing groups of people versus people as brewing down to simply one on one- that's not accurate. I think we should instead evaluate them as a group, and debate group tactics and strengths, not so much individuals. Otherwise, why team them up?
You know, that's what I've always said. 2v2 is not a tournament style of 1v1, it's exactly like it says, TWO versus TWO.
Lord Janus
I agree. I had always thought that, but this time I acted on it.
Dimmimar
Kreia wanted to free the galaxy from the force, which she believed to opress the galaxy. She didn't want to kill the Sith or Jedi, merely show them there errors and inherent flaws.
Pretty noble if you ask me.
Darth_Glentract
I thought she wanted to be able to control her own destiny. She knew full well that the death of the force would mean the death of all it touched.
Ogami Itto
Originally posted by Rand al'Thor
You find something funny? Discover maybe that SS eats crap or perhaps feeds you crap that you swallow whole? Hense the reason you hate him with abandon and fanaticly vent your anger at him in a useless waste of a thread (unlike this one)?
LORD HOTH?? couldn't they come up with anything original??
and the mere fact u bring up ss here says it all you buffoon!!
Lord Janus
Shut up and go away.
Ogami Itto
look whos talking
Lord Janus
Someone who can use the shift key and debate. Me. Now, do you have anything else stupid to say, or are you waiting for an encore?
Ogami Itto
You probably think using the shift key is one of the most prudent things in life!!!all i did was reply to a comment directed to ME! not u!
and then u stuck ur oar in, well i guess thats what ur good at eh??
Darth_Glentract
Ogami Itto. You are retarded.
Ogami Itto
hows that then?
Darth_Glentract
Just plain lack of intelligence. Don't worry, your not the only one, but like some of them, you should just go away.
Lord Janus
They never can tell, can they, Glentract?
Ogami Itto
its neither of u can "tell" me about my lack of intelligence
Lord Janus
You You... it's two extra keystrokes. Are you that lazy?
Ogami Itto
U'd make a good politician,
Darth_Glentract
You would make a good ass wipe, Ogami.
Yeah Janus, they just never do learn.
Lord Janus
Originally posted by Ogami Itto
U'd make a good politician,
Yes, I would.
Darth Faunus
Ogami. . . you're not settling anything, or helping anyone. The only thing you've done here is contributed to the somewhat uncontrollable flow of idiocy. Not to mention that you're not exactly making yourself welcome here. Now, I'm sure that your response to this post will require reporting, so I stand by until then. But seriously. Shush.
Ogami Itto
aww u guys r so high and mighty! all u can do is insult!! all i did was use the smilies to get the point across that i thought lord hoth was funny name! and u guys go CRAZY!! jeez who'd want to be welcomed by that
Glentract you would make a good buttplug for Janus's Anus
atlant80
Shut up because you are insulting the smartest people on this forum and making yourself look like an idiot
Lord Janus
Originally posted by Lord Janus
Read the above picture
Ogami Itto
Originally posted by atlant80
Shut up because you are insulting the smartest people on this forum and making yourself look like an idiot
who, may i ask , cast the first insult?
how does this make me look like an idiot??
will u b the first to actually answer my questons??
or will you be like the rest :
" um um um shutup asswipe, youre an idiot, and retarded!!!"
atlant80
you
Ogami Itto
explain
Dimmimar
Look people, just don't respond to Ogami Itto, ignore him, he's just wanting to gain a reaction.
Illustrious
Let cooler heads prevail.
Ogami Itto
Ah poor heart, they stabb at thee!!!!
prevail??? i just wanted answers! jeez it sure is F##k wit Ogami day
Dimmimar
Originally posted by Ogami Itto
Ah poor heart, they stabb at thee!!!!
prevail??? i just wanted answers! jeez it sure is F##k wit Ogami day
Look, you've already had a mod tell you to knock it off in another thread.
Ogami Itto
knock what off? posting??
Dimmimar
Nope, your rather inflammatory and derogatory comments.
Ogami Itto
no more inflammatory and derogatory than what was said to me first!!
did u even bother to read the thread
Dimmimar
Yes I did. Okay then, why don't we all just stop insulting each other and have a nice civilised debate?
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