Street-Tourney Draft 3

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DigiMark007
You know the drill. Good luck

I won't be around for a bit to post draft picks, but I figured I'd put this up (kinda early) so it'll be here in case someone won't be around later in the day.

Also, if you could think of a name for your amalgam, that would help. I want only one name to refer to in the "Character Notes" section of each battle (rather than 3). Feel free to post it here, or PM it to me.

Scoobless
something along the lines of Dr Scorptipus?

laughing out loud

is it a big clue.... or a red herring?


roll eyes (sarcastic)

Nataku8188
It's a canadian weasel.

Scoobless
^did you just try to draft Wolverine?

big grin

Nataku8188
My amalgam's name is Hypno-picard;

http://hypnopicard.ytmnd.com/

Vote 5/5 you will obey!

Scoobless
Originally posted by Nataku8188
My amalgam's name is Hypno-picard;

http://hypnopicard.ytmnd.com/

Vote 5/5 you will obey!


THERE... ARE... FOUR... LIGHTS!!!

Scoobless
in case anyone forgot.....

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Here's a list of everyone that's been picked so far, to keep everyone up-to-date on the picks (because there's been a lot of switching and what-not).

In no particular order...
Dazzler, Agent Zero, General Grievous, Doc Ock II, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Spider-Man, Azreal, American Eagle, The Midnighter, Cassidy, Deadpool, Darkhawk, Venom, Kenshin Himura, Deathstroke, Scorpion, Taskmaster, Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Speedfreek, Scarlet Spider, Spider-Woman III, Vanth Dreadstar, Blink, War Lord of Darkness, Deathlok, Snake Eyes, Darth Maul, Drizzt Do'Urden, Iron Fist, Doppleganger.

DigiMark007
Liu Kang has been sodomized (and chosen).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Kang_%28Mortal_Kombat_character%29

DigiMark007
It had to happen eventually...

Wolverine has been picked.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm

DigiMark007
Bullseye has been groped (and then selected).

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/bullseye.htm

DigiMark007
Hmmm.

In an intreesting turn of events, we have two people picking the same thing, except that it's not an individual, it's a member of a race.

Two people picked Prdators. And since they are a race of predator, not one person, I guess I can allow both.

http://www.geocities.com/gunsandgod/chars.html#Yeyinde

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jaherne/thehunted/index.php

Either of these sites should provide info. I've discussed standard equipment with them both a bit, and they'll receive the same equipment unless a compelling reason is given for not allowing something.

Oh, and the aren't allowed to cloak....too close to invisibility.

Sentry
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hmmm.

In an intreesting turn of events, we have two people picking the same thing, except that it's not an individual, it's a member of a race.

Two people picked Prdators. And since they are a race of predator, not one person, I guess I can allow both.

http://www.geocities.com/gunsandgod/chars.html#Yeyinde

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jaherne/thehunted/index.php

Either of these sites should provide info. I've discussed standard equipment with them both a bit, and they'll receive the same equipment unless a compelling reason is given for not allowing something.

Oh, and the aren't allowed to cloak....too close to invisibility.

That nuclear bomb thing on their wrist. Ban that too.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Nataku8188
My amalgam's name is Hypno-picard;

http://hypnopicard.ytmnd.com/

Vote 5/5 you will obey!

Woot! Hypno-picard it is! I'll post the link for your battles.

stick out tongue wink

-DM

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Sentry
That nuclear bomb thing on their wrist. Ban that too.

Uh, sure. Anything that powerful should probably be assumed to be not allowed. But thanks for the info.

DigiMark007
Siryn has been flogged (and picked)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/siryn.htm

The flight will have to go, and I don't know a ton about her, but she seems ok. If anyone knows anything different, please let me know.

Sentry
She can use her voice to hypnotically control people as well blow things like houses and such to bits.

DigiMark007
Hmm. Hypnotic control, bad. That'll have to be banned. Blowing up houses is nothing Cyclops couldn't handle though. Unless she's obviously beyond him, her regular power should be ok.

stormfront13
i wouldn't really call her above cyke.

Khellendros
Originally posted by Scoobless
THERE... ARE... FOUR... LIGHTS!!!
laughing laughing laughing laughing

DigiMark007
Sabertooth has been selected

http://www.grokpedia.com/en/s/sa/Sabretooth.htm

DigiMark007
Antro (or possibly Anthro) has been chosen.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/deathwebspwm.htm#Antro

http://www.marvelrpg.net/mp/dm187mp.pdf#search=

DigiMark007
The Shroud has been selected

http://www.cwiki.net/index.php?title=Shroud

Appears to be slightly "mystical" but he basically looks like a Daredevil type who can create black mist.

DigiMark007
Leo Atreides II has been picked (a Dune character apparently)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto_Atreides_II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandtrout

Scoobless
"3,500 years have passed, and Leto is now almost fully transformed into a Sandworm. He is almost invulnerable to physical damage; his single weakness that he shares with the sandworms, an intense vulnerability to water, is a secret"

is this tougher than Cage?

Khellendros
Originally posted by Scoobless
"3,500 years have passed, and Leto is now almost fully transformed into a Sandworm. He is almost invulnerable to physical damage; his single weakness that he shares with the sandworms, an intense vulnerability to water, is a secret"

is this tougher than Cage?
Well considering that it takes a nuke sized explosion to kill a full sandworm... I'd say that yes, he is tougher than Cage.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Khellendros
Well considering that it takes a nuke sized explosion to kill a full sandworm... I'd say that yes, he is tougher than Cage.

just as well we're letting in Preds with portable nukes then


roll eyes (sarcastic)

Khellendros
Also, he has fullblown prescience.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Khellendros
Also, he has fullblown prescience.

yeah... what is that? does it mean he's as dumb as a caveman.... y'know....PRE-science?

Khellendros
Originally posted by Scoobless
yeah... what is that? does it mean he's as dumb as a caveman.... y'know....PRE-science?
... It means he sees the future.

Laminator_X
It's not just precog, he's also clairavoyant and retrocognative. He also has the Voice, a form of mind control. If he's young/bipedal Leto, probably faster than Spiderman too. They don't call him God-Emperor for nothing.

Scoobless
ok.... i'm gonna vote to black ball him now.... anyone else?

8bitChris
Seems like people arn't trying to be too "street"

Laminator_X
I dig the mixing of comic, scifi and fantasy characters, and going right up to the limits is cool. OTOH I like that we're sort of vetting (or not) one another's choices here, as we feel out/agree upon what those limits exactly are (with Dig. having the final word, of course.)

I think Leto II is a bit much. There're other Dune characters that would work though.

Khellendros
Originally posted by Scoobless
ok.... i'm gonna vote to black ball him now.... anyone else?
Yeah, big time for me.

DigiMark007
Ok, I'll PM the person who picked him and either try to work soemthing out or get him to pick someone else.

And keep in mind, many people in this tourney are well above "street". We're calling it a street-level tourney, but we're using the "powerful street" limits (which we've sorta defined ourselves). I hope no one is wildly over the limit...although I know a few are close.

Nataku8188
WTF? What the hell is with Children of Dune? In the first Dune Leto II and Baron Harkonnen died... WTF mate!

Nataku8188
Sorry for the double post, but what predator exactly did the other person pick ?

DigiMark007
Um, I think just a predator in general....I don't think he specified. The link should provide the info, but the equipment discussed was roughly the same for both people (shoulder cannon, etc.) so I assumed they were pretty similar.

DigiMark007
Benedict of Amber (?) has been chosen

http://members.fortunecity.com/jwqh/amber.htm

http://paradox.of.arden.tripod.com/amber.html

He was described to me as simply a great fighter with some enhanced strength, speed, etc. but not much more than about a Ton.

DigiMark007
Electro has been picked.

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/enemies/electro.html

DigiMark007
Hydro-Man (?!) has been chosen

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hydroman.htm

Er, might be hella-hard to kill, but he's not 'tougher' than Cage and he's a Spidey-villian. Just seems like a solid pick (or liquid pick in this case..harhar).

DigiMark007
U.S. Agent has been chosen

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/u/usagent.htm

A nice find...all of Cap's powers and fighting skills, but 10 Ton strength instead of around 1.

Dr.SpiderHulk
Impossible to hurt the hydro man....I don't think it's good...sad

Scoobless
Hydro-Man is practically invulnerable... i never picked him myself as i thought he was obviously over the durability level..... he CANNOT be physically harmed.... the only way to really stop him is to evaporate him.... he is waaaaayy tougher than Cage

EDIT: in fact he almost killed Thunderstrike... who isn't that far below Thor in terms of power

long pig
I agree with the scoobster.

You can't hurt him or really even fight him.

DigiMark007
Leto is pending (I'll either get a good explanation or he'll pick someone else), and only 2 others need to draft, so we're almost there.

Provided things go along smoothly, we're probably looking at the "Character Specs and Equipment" thread to go up Wednesday (it'll be named something else though), and with luck the first battles can start next Sunday *forboding music*. That'll be the goal, since I want to start/end fights on Sundays, and I don't want to wait another week to start.

I'm impressed with a few of you. Hydro-Man gets the Gold Star for round 3 (Grievous and Drizzt got the first two). And there's some really badass amalgams (with, I hope, all legal and not too powerful picks). It'll be fun making predictions even though I won't be able to share them until the end.

DigiMark007
Hmm...problems with Hydro-Man?? I'll talk it over with the person who picked him.

Scoobless
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm impressed with a few of you. Hydro-Man gets the Gold Star for round 3 (Grievous and Drizzt got the first two). And there's some really badass amalgams (with, I hope, all legal and not too powerful picks). It'll be fun making predictions even though I won't be able to share them until the end.

well unless everyone else gets the human torch or an equivelant this isn't going to be much of a tourney

sorry, but Hydro-Man is so far over the limit that it isn't funny

jinzin
Originally posted by Scoobless
well unless everyone else gets the human torch or an equivelant this isn't going to be much of a tourney

sorry, but Hydro-Man is so far over the limit that it isn't funny

don't worry guys...I'll take im out....for surzzzzz

DigiMark007
Really? He's that far over the limit? I figured a decent energy guy could just evaporate him or something.

jinzin
I'll SKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
LL hydroman!
mad








seond though maybe not...yeah he'd be hard to beat for anyone with no energy attacks...kind of an unfair advantage for everyone else who were probably concerned with covering the grounds of melee combat for a street tourny...

long pig
He can reform.
He's one of those you have to take out all of him or he doesn't slow down, and none of us have enough fire/energy power to vaporize Hydro-Man.

Anyone have their pictures put together?

8bitChris
At any rate, I used to think my amalgam was cool. Albeit a little redundant; apparently I underestimated limits of what was allowed in the street tourney.

I can't even think of a way my char could take out Hydroman. (Outside of using the surrounding environment.)

DigiMark007
Yeah yeah...I thought it was cool. And now you gotta come in here and kill my buzz. Buncha buzz-killin' buzz-killers...

I'll get Hydro replaced. Leto too, probably...unless he's got a great explanation.

Scoobless
seriously... Hydroman beat down Thunderstrike and Spider-Man at the same time..... he only ever loses through stupidity

DigiMark007
I wouldn't worry 8BitChris. Hydro and some others won't be in it, and you've got a solid amalgam. A few people probably bent the rules, but a bunch of people had stuff chopped off of them (like psionics, flight, etc.) so no one should be terribly overwhelming. I can't say much more without revealing your picks, but even though you'll face a tough match (like most everyone will) you have as much a chance as anyone.

zachrivard
i was gonna pick hydro man but i didnt wanna cause i figured he was too strong

K Von Doom
Meh. My guy can beat Hydroman.

You guys realise that whoever matches up against Venom would need fire or sonics to stand a chance, and I don't think the Human Torch is allowed. eek!

zachrivard
yeah u bring up a good point about venom

long pig
Yeah KVD, I was wondering about that.

Has anyone ever beaten Venom without using Sonics or Fire?

Juggernaut punched him a few dozen times with no effect.

zachrivard
i dont think so

Khellendros
Originally posted by long pig
Yeah KVD, I was wondering about that.

Has anyone ever beaten Venom without using Sonics or Fire?
I know Wolverine has given him a good go. And I know he has to concentrate a lot of his symbiote into one area to stop bullets. So, a spray of machine gun fire would put a hurting on him, and since everyone and their brother has adamantium or promethium or light saber blades on hand I'd say you've got a lot of potential for a sliced and dice symbiote.

long pig
He regrows anything. I've seen him shot multiple times and he opens holes in his suit and they go through. He can be punched by class 100+ with no effect. And he can heal if he is decapitated.

Wolverine does tons of shit, he isn't a very good equalizer.

zachrivard
yeah venom is very strong

Scoobless
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Meh. My guy can beat Hydroman.

You guys realise that whoever matches up against Venom would need fire or sonics to stand a chance, and I don't think the Human Torch is allowed. eek!
Originally posted by long pig
Yeah KVD, I was wondering about that.

Has anyone ever beaten Venom without using Sonics or Fire?

Juggernaut punched him a few dozen times with no effect.

Darkhawk has knocked him out before (the old version Darkhawk at that)

Venom isn't good with heat as you all know.... but decent level concusive force will also stop him... or you could try and overload his healing ability with a ton of damage.... he was beaten by the Scarlet Spider (forced the symbiote to detach from Brock) no sonics or fire involved

EsteemedLeader
And Juggernaut slaughtered him once, so he isn't invincible...

8bitChris
There is a HUGE difference between Juggernaut and the guys in this tournament.

K Von Doom
I'm sure I've seen Venom take machine gun fire at point blank range... the symbiote looked torn up but it made Venom look much meaner... lol

Well... as long as LP is thinking about the same thing, it doesn't worry me... just means I'm not facing Venom in the first round... or am I? embarrasment

Laminator_X
There're some serious contenders all around in this crew. Venom's a tough nut to crack, but frankly, with Siryn in the field, Venom's screwed.

jplatinum
My people will destroy everyone.
My people all are faster, more powerful, more skilled, more cunning, and all are excellent fighters.

colossus17
Originally posted by jplatinum
My people will destroy everyone.
My people all are faster, more powerful, more skilled, more cunning, and all are excellent fighters.

indeed we are master........we will follow u to hades and back

jplatinum
Colossus is a wild dude, man.

laughing

colossus17
Originally posted by jplatinum
Colossus is a wild dude, man.

laughing

thank you master

EsteemedLeader
Originally posted by 8bitChris
There is a HUGE difference between Juggernaut and the guys in this tournament.

Point is, he can be beaten...

Dizzle
Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Point is, he can be beaten...

Almost everyone can be beaten... But he hasn't been beaten by anything remotely within the boundaries of this Tourney, save FB Wolverine. He's taken much worse than some of the people here can dish out.

K Von Doom
Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Point is, he can be beaten...

... by Juggernaut. Might as well pick Hulk by this logic. stick out tongue

Nataku8188
I feel bad for whoever picked venom if they face azrael, grievous or maul or the preds in the first round. Even moreso if he's facing Siryn...

EsteemedLeader
Originally posted by K Von Doom
... by Juggernaut. Might as well pick Hulk by this logic. stick out tongue

Cap took on the Hulk, and Cap is only street-level...

Dizzle
Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Cap took on the Hulk, and Cap is only street-level...

Are you seriously promoting Hulk and Juggernaut as Street Levelers? Ok, I change my picks to Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, and Superman...

Sentry
Originally posted by Dizzle
Are you seriously promoting Hulk and Juggernaut as Street Levelers? Ok, I change my picks to Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, and Superman...

You'll need them to beat me with your feeble debating skills!!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Fo Shizzle Dizzle!!! thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down

laughing laughing laughing laughing

long pig
Seriously, let me just have Strange by himself and I'll be fine.

Solidus Snake
query tho...the maximum durability is cage and the maximum strength is venom, can someone who presses 20 tons even hope to injure the titanium skinned urbanite?

i guess it comes down to debating

zachrivard
has there been 16 picks yet???

Scoobless
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
query tho...the maximum durability is cage and the maximum strength is venom, can someone who presses 20 tons even hope to injure the titanium skinned urbanite?

yup, Scorpion almost beat Cage to death one time.... and if you have a decent enough weapon you can cut him

DigiMark007
I have like 5 announcements and switches to make, but have been busy. I promise I'll get to everything tonight...so if your waiting for me to announce your pick or something, just be patient. Sorry and I'll catch up with everything later today

Still Wed. for the next thread, and should be next Sunday for the first battles.

Laminator_X
I hope many of our environments are suitably street-ish. Lots of these characters would go down hard in an octagon/deasert type match but can use their wits, mobility, and tactics to good effect in a more complex environment.

jinzin
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Meh. My guy can beat Hydroman.

You guys realise that whoever matches up against Venom would need fire or sonics to stand a chance, and I don't think the Human Torch is allowed. eek!

actually anyone with bladed weapons that will be capable of getting in close could possibly fair just fine.. evil face

jinzin
Originally posted by Nataku8188
I feel bad for whoever picked venom if they face azrael, grievous or maul or the preds in the first round. Even moreso if he's facing Siryn...
laughing out loud

zachrivard
nice sig jinzin
aren't those the ninjas from tmnt

8bitChris
What comic is that picture from? I had a marvel trading card with that exact image on it when I was little. :P I've never seen Venom bleed like that in a comic.

jinzin
Originally posted by zachrivard
nice sig jinzin
aren't those the ninjas from tmnt
thanks man..

yup, they're the shredder's elite foot guard..

jinzin
Originally posted by 8bitChris
What comic is that picture from? I had a marvel trading card with that exact image on it when I was little. :P I've never seen Venom bleed like that in a comic.

I don't remember.. it was some sort of one shot/tie in... I used to have the comic but my damned cousin obliterated the thing..

jinzin
it's also of note that blaze stabbed him in the shoulder with a regular knife...

Scoobless
and i'll restate that Darkhawk beat the hell out of him until he was unconscious

jinzin
venom let him win man...once venom gathered thathe was a hero, venom allowed darkhawk to walk all over him and think he got a real victory when he didn't.

Scoobless
you sure? i'm taling about an old comic..... i've got it somewhere but i haven't read it in years


you got any scans?

jinzin
it was in darkhawk 13-14 right? (or was it 14-15?)


but an early dakrhawk comic right?


if the battle you're reffering to is something else then I withdraw my statement...if that's indeed what you're talking about, then yes..I'm sure.

DigiMark007
Woo-hoo...announcements.

1. A Kull Warrior has been selected...from the Stargate TV series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kull_Warrior
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/races/k/kullwarriors.shtml
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kull-Warriors

...the armor is tough but isn't invulnerable, and actually has some weak spot that it doesn't cover...and the regular assortment of uber-metals can pierce it, and most energy attacks will harm the person.

2. The Shroud has been replaced by Grail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_%28comics%29

...looks to be a Venom knock-off.

DigiMark007
3. Leto Atreidas II: Here's the deal. I had forgotten, but earlier the person asked me about picking characters at a certain point in their evolution. After hearing the argument I agreed. Although those were the only Leto bios he could find, the Leto he has chosen is not 3,500 years old and nearly transformed into a sandworm. It is when he first gained his powers and wasn't nearly as evolved. I'm told he jumped 15-20 meters in the air to escape a canyon (probably not much more than 1-2 Ton strength) and has a tough hide that isn't invulnerable but can protect some against bullets (a bullet would pierce him but not quite as much as a regular person). The prescience, or pre-cog, isn't seeing the future, but merely presents the possibilities of the future before him. It works similarly to MN'ers implant that allows him to analyze a situation every possible way. He won't be seeing the future or dodging blows because of future-vision...but it still might help some. I hope that clears that up.

4. Shang-Chi has been replaced with Ryu (Street Fighter)

http://surbrook.devermore.net/streetfighter/sfryu.html
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Ryu+%28Street+Fighter+character%29&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&linktext=Ryu

DigiMark007
Quick fix to the Kull armor. It dulls most energy attacks, but can still be pierced. Only high-level energy attacks, or a good concussive force will harm it otherwise, although it doesn't cover the entire body. It's basically a slightly more padded (and more insulated against cuncussive blasts) version of Black Panther's armor...at least that's the impression I get.

Scoobless
there's quite a few guys in this that i'd never heard of before

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Quick fix to the Kull armor. It dulls most energy attacks, but can still be pierced. Only high-level energy attacks, or a good concussive force will harm it otherwise, although it doesn't cover the entire body. It's basically a slightly more padded (and more insulated against cuncussive blasts) version of Black Panther's armor...at least that's the impression I get.
Uh huh. Is that what they are TELLING you, or the rule you are making? Because in she show NOTHING short of massive explosions could harm those bastards. I watch Stargate petty regularly and bullets, plasma weapons, massive amounts of C4 and even a small sidewinder (at least I think it was a sidewinder... it WAS a missile like you see on some military helicopters) missile at point blank range only slowed those guys down. No physical harm AT ALL. And they just absorb energy, except one specific kind of energy that the good guys had to go through HELL to get a weapon that used it.


EDIT: Oh, they also had badass regeneration if I remember correctly, as if they weren't tough enough.

EDIT part 2: Yep, just read the Wiki link. The symbiotes, while not like Venom or other symbiotes, give the people they live in great healing ability. Also from the Wiki link:

Scoobless
Originally posted by Khellendros
Uh huh. Is that what they are TELLING you, or the rule you are making? Because in she show NOTHING short of massive explosions could harm those bastards. I watch Stargate petty regularly and bullets, plasma weapons, massive amounts of C4 and even a small sidewinder (at least I think it was a sidewinder... it WAS a missile like you see on some military helicopters) missile at point blank range only slowed those guys down. No physical harm AT ALL. And they just absorb energy, except one specific kind of energy that the good guys had to go through HELL to get a weapon that used it.


EDIT: Oh, they also had badass regeneration if I remember correctly, as if they weren't tough enough.

i watch Stargate, the sidewinder attack didn't directly hit the guy in that episode... and another one of them died when that base blew up (concussive force that wasn't even aimed directly at him).... and the armour was penetrated by those dart thingies... so any uber metal/lightsaber type of weapon should at least manage a stabbing motion through the fibre areas (if not a full slash)

their regeneration was standard for anyone that had a symbiote... which is way, way below Wolverine level

DigiMark007
I'll get to the bottom of it Khell...thanks for helping to keep the tourney honest.

Also, unfortunately a lot of times I do have to go off of what I am told...I'm not knowledgable about a lot of these people, so some of it is trusting you guys and using my gut feelings. I'm doing the best I can, but always feel free to argue a pick if you think it's unfair.

Khellendros
Originally posted by Scoobless
i watch Stargate, the sidewinder attack didn't directly hit the guy in that episode... and another one of them died when that base blew up (concussive force that wasn't even aimed directly at him).... and the armour was penetrated by those dart thingies... so any uber metal/lightsaber type of weapon should at least manage a stabbing motion through the fibre areas (if not a full slash)

their regeneration was standard for anyone that had a symbiote... which is way, way below Wolverine level
Dude.

The sidewinder hit at his FEET and didn't even stop him. The base bomb... was an explosion that was meant to destroy a MASSIVELY fortified military base. And that dart? It was an incredibly sharp TRINIUM dart. Wanna see what Trinium is? From Wiki again:



EDIT: And the dart didn't even puncture the material, it was just the only material that they could make small enough to fit in between the threads and strong enough not to sahtter on impact.

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'll get to the bottom of it Khell...thanks for helping to keep the tourney honest.

Also, unfortunately a lot of times I do have to go off of what I am told...I'm not knowledgable about a lot of these people, so some of it is trusting you guys and using my gut feelings. I'm doing the best I can, but always feel free to argue a pick if you think it's unfair.
I'm not trying to come off like I'm jumping on your ass, cause I'm not. I'm just jumping all over that pick. No way do those guys qualify as they are in the show.

DigiMark007
Oh, and we'll cement most of this beforehand (and I have a PM in to the Kull guy) but if someone slips soemthing by into the tourney, I'll stop it. We won't have anyone using the "well he has an unstoppable attack that could kill God so I win" argument with a random obscure character. If soemthing is blatently over the limit in a battle, I'll ban it.

That said, a lot of stuff is close to the limit...so complaining about something to try to get it banned won't work. It will have to be obvious and extremely unfair.

Nataku8188
That Ryu better be off his recent Udon showings/his general showings instead of the super strong Ryu C-M is always preaching about.

Khellendros
Originally posted by Nataku8188
That Ryu better be off his recent Udon showings/his general showings instead of the super strong Ryu C-M is always preaching about.
Yeah, I was wondering about that but don't know much about the character. Haven't there been Ryu vs Hulk and Superman threads on here before?

DigiMark007
I'm guessing Sandman would receive the same warm welcome that Hydro-Man did?? ...

Yeah, that's what I thought...I won't even bother.

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm guessing Sandman would receive the same warm welcome that Hydro-Man did?? ...

Yeah, that's what I thought...I won't even bother.
laughing

I would argue against sandman and hydro for pretty much the same reason I would argue against Iceman. Just sooo friggin hard to kill/hurt.

Scoobless
ditto

Laminator_X
I still worry about Leto II (I am something of a Dune fan) Young Leto is not the Tank he would one day become, and although he may push the speed limits at a full out run, he cant fight/maneuver at those speeds in such a way as to blitz someone.

My problem with the prescience is not that he can see the possable futures, but rather that he can also see the past and the present. This amounts to an enourmous tactical advantage. You can't set an ambush for him. Hou cant hide from him. He know's your weaknesses. The Midnighter's tactical modelling or Benedict's aeons of experience/training make them hard to outfox, but only if they have accurate, complete, and up to date info to start from. Leto II KNOWS where you are, who you are, what your weaknesses are, what you've done, where you've been and what you're doing. He's not telepathic, but apart from that he literally has a God's eye view of reality. He doesn't just do this constantly in the novels, but only to avoid boredom throughout his long life. In this environment, that would not be a problem for him.

Then there's the Voice. Unless you've been trained to resist it, or are a robot or something, he can say things in such a way as to push the instinctive athority buttons in our primate brains. You obey the Voice without even thinking about it.

I think Leto II is just too much. Physically he's OK, but he has mind control (and I realize I'm in something of a glass house here) I think he crosses the "no magic" line with his awsome oracular powers.

DigiMark007
Whatever The Voice is, it's banned. Sounds too close to telepathy. You won't need to worry about it.

We have guys who can hit at least 50MPH (anyone with ehanced strength can get close to this). American Eagle is at 65, Kenshin Himura is around 100, and Spider-Man, being about 100x stronger than a normal person, can hit these speeds too. Anyone with a strong guy, fast guy, or teleporter doesn't have to worry much about his speed.

The prescience is the kicker here. But again, if you outfight him I don't see how it'll be terribly toublesome. Sure, no ambushes...no hiding your abilities from him. But he's not going to be able to use it to simply avoid losing. I agree that it's an advantage, but I don't think its an unfair one. MN'er's implants allow him to analyze a person's upgrades. He'll basically know your powers when the fight starts too. And a minute into any battle and the amalgams will know what they're up against.

...

Oh, and let's try this for the Kull armor:
Repeated strong blows (punches) will considerably jar the wearer, but most energy attacks are negated or considerably dulled. The armor can be pierced by strong metals including, titanium, adamantium, vibranium, lightsabers, diamond, etc. The armor dulls concussive force but a large explosion (grenade level) will still harm the wearer.

...trying to find an acceptable compromise that does justice to the armor without making it too powerful.

DigiMark007
Hydro-Man has been replaced with Thor.

...

Not really. Warblade (from Wildcats).

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/w/warblade.htm

EsteemedLeader
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hydro-Man has been replaced with Thor.

...

Not really. Warblade (from Wildcats).

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/w/warblade.htm

That dude's sick looking big grin

jinzin
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hydro-Man has been replaced with Thor.

...

Not really. Warblade (from Wildcats).

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/w/warblade.htm

my heart jumped a beat for a second there...

K Von Doom
I hope this doesn't drag on like the other tourney... 1st round was excellent, but the rest took too long and died out

DigiMark007
Originally posted by K Von Doom
I hope this doesn't drag on like the other tourney... 1st round was excellent, but the rest took too long and died out

Don't worry. I'm not going anywhere, and the goal is to keep things moving. There will be 2 fights per week so that there's always a lot going on...the battles themselves will take about 2 months. But the last tourney took about 3-4 months (for battles) and we only had 10 people (as opposed to 16 for this one).

If all goes to schedule, November 5 we'll crown a champion. Hopefully we won't lose momentum by that time.

Maestro
Not sure whether this guy could be in the tourney.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hellstorm.htm

Thought hellfire is a bit too much.

DigiMark007
Hell, depending on how much energy output he has with that trident, he might be allowed. Fortunately, though, we're almost done with picking.

Last day to switch your picks will be Friday. After Friday, unless a character is banned for some reason, all picks are final. The thread going up tomorrow (Wed) we'll determine everyone's amalgam name, his starting equipment, and making any notes needed to explain the amalgam's powers and limitations.

newjak86
Originally posted by DigiMark007
We have guys who can hit at least 50MPH (anyone with ehanced strength can get close to this). American Eagle is at 65, Kenshin Himura is around 100, and Spider-Man, being about 100x stronger than a normal person, can hit these speeds too. Anyone with a strong guy, fast guy, or teleporter doesn't have to worry much about his speed.

I wouldn't say Kenshin can get up to 100 mph running speed possibly (possibly being key here) his attacks can. Kenshin would be able to get up to maybe around 30 or 40 depending on what you think. I personally put him around the 25 to 30 mph.

jplatinum
I know this has nothing to do with it, but I win the tournament.

Damn, I'm cocky...........
And I love it!

Scoobless
you aint making it past the first round boy


cool

Nataku8188
I concur.

Scoobless
and i conquer!


evil face

jplatinum
"you aint making it past the first round boy"


Go for scoobless! You ain't so bad! you ain't so bad! you ain't nothin'!

jinzin
Originally posted by Scoobless
you aint making it past the first round boy


cool

NO ONE SPEAKS TO OUR MASTER LIKE THAT mad

Khellendros
Originally posted by jinzin
NO ONE SPEAKS TO OUR MASTER LIKE THAT mad
Can't blame the man for speaking the truth.

DigiMark007
Snake Eyes has been replace by Groo the Wanderer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groo

The sword is described as indestructible...but it'll just be assumed to be on level with adamantium.

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Snake Eyes has been replace by Groo the Wanderer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groo

The sword is described as indestructible...but it'll just be assumed to be on level with adamantium.
....You gotta be kidding me.

DigiMark007
Groo is for real...no more Squirrel Girl-esque tricks.

Bullseye has been switched for Banshee

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=95

No flight. And I don't think he's above Cyke, but I could be wrong...it's probably pretty close.

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Groo is for real...no more Squirrel Girl-esque tricks.

Bullseye has been switched for Banshee

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=95

No flight. And I don't think he's above Cyke, but I could be wrong...it's probably pretty close.
Again, there's the mind control thing I believe. You really might wanna set a limit on what his voice can do... because he doesn't blow things up, he and his daughter don't destroy things with an energy blast, they use sound which resonates with an object and tears it apart. The argument could be made that no armor can defend against that.

Dizzle
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Groo is for real...no more Squirrel Girl-esque tricks.

Bullseye has been switched for Banshee

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=95

No flight. And I don't think he's above Cyke, but I could be wrong...it's probably pretty close.

"shatter, liquify, or disintegrate solid matter"

Remember, everything but normal blasts from Cyke is banned. None of the huge rip-off-the-visor things where he shoots the moon and levels mountains...

DigiMark007
Ah crap...alright, I'll get to work on it. No mind control though. That's for sure.

The next thread (for final stuff) will be up tomorrow (not sure when exactly). Everyone, please read it and respond accordingly. I'll probably be PM'ing most of you anyway about various aspects of your amalgams. Battles will start Sunday if everything is worked out by then (which hopefully it will be). Scoob/JP and Dizzle/Sentry are the first ones up.

Sentry
His normal blast just shatter houses and blow away cars. Normal Cyclops stuff. Some of these other guys are packing serious fire power. Guns, grenades, C4, etc... Sonic screams? Bahhh... I'll crush them.

Khellendros
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ah crap...alright, I'll get to work on it. No mind control though. That's for sure.
Just a suggestion, but if you made the sound attacks unidirectional (even with a wide coverage arc) and slightly visible (like a heat ripple in the air or something), that would give people a decent chance to dodge, since most bullets travel around the speed of sound and faster anyways. I don't have a problem with the power, so much as I do the fact that very few armors are soundproofed and the fact that I think they can be omnidirectional.

Dizzle
Originally posted by Sentry
His normal blast just shatter houses and blow away cars. Normal Cyclops stuff. Some of these other guys are packing serious fire power. Guns, grenades, C4, etc... Sonic screams? Bahhh... I'll crush them.

How you gonna crush them after I step on you? stick out tongue

DigiMark007
The destructive power of Banshee's blasts will be capped at around a high-level Cyke blast. We'll have it so there's visible ripples to make it possible to avoid. The arc of the blasts will be determined by which direction Banshee is facing, and will be less powerful outside the arc (i.e. if you're behind Banshee 10 feet or so if won't really harm you it'll just be a hella-loud scream). But a frontal blast will do full damage, and the arc will ensure that's it's hard to completely dodge blows...perhaps just lessen their intensity by jumping to the side.

Sentry
Originally posted by Dizzle
How you gonna crush them after I step on you? stick out tongue

Well, I'll use you as a stepping stone, then use Jp or Scoob as the next stone, and proceed my way all the way up to the winner's circle.

Dizzle
Originally posted by Sentry
Well, I'll use you as a stepping stone, then use Jp or Scoob as the next stone, and proceed my way all the way up to the winner's circle.

JP is no man's stepping stone...

I plan on beating him down the old fashioned way. For you, however, I have much grander schemes in mind... (gets butt-kicking boot from Australia) Bwahahahahaha... laughing (imagine it's eviler looking) evil face laughing (that one too)

Sentry
Originally posted by Dizzle
Are you seriously promoting Hulk and Juggernaut as Street Levelers? Ok, I change my picks to Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, and Superman...

Originally posted by Sentry
You'll need them to beat me with your feeble debating skills!!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Fo Shizzle Dizzle!!! thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down

laughing laughing laughing laughing

DigiMark007
You two'll be fun...you're the only one's smack-talking at all. (well, Scoob and JP a bit, but even Scoob knows it's unwise to piss JP off too much). And, if I can say this, you both have decent amalgams. I was expecting more smack-talking with 16 people...hopefully as the matches progress we'll get more of it.

K Von Doom
Originally posted by Sentry
Well, I'll use you as a stepping stone, then use Jp or Scoob as the next stone, and proceed my way all the way up to the winner's circle.

All that work for second place? laughing

Dizzle
wink

Bring it young'n. My Super Magic Surfer will eat your pitiful amalgam for breakfast.

boxing gunsmilie boxing

PS- JP's gonna be a slightly more formal, late brunch/early lunch. After that I'm gonna move on to afternoon tea, dinner, and dessert. This tourney is mine, by way of delicious feasting.

Nataku8188
When the amalgams are named and such, are we revealing who has who, and their combos? Or are we going to be keeping who has who secret, but the amalgams public

Dizzle
Originally posted by Nataku8188
When the amalgams are named and such, are we revealing who has who, and their combos? Or are we going to be keeping who has who secret, but the amalgams public

Drafting and pick switching is gonna be done with, so I'm assuming it's all gonna be public. You all shalt collectively witness your dooms. Especially Sentry big grin.

K Von Doom
Probably reveal names and abilities but keep the actual characters a secret until the fights begin. Of course, stating your characters powers will likely reveal who the amalgam is composed of. "... has a vibranium suit, retractable claws and a symbiote..."

Dizzle
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Probably reveal names and abilities but keep the actual characters a secret until the fights begin. Of course, stating your characters powers will likely reveal who the amalgam is composed of. "... has a vibranium suit, retractable claws and a symbiote..."

I don't think revealing characters will matter at this point... Especially if powers are posted. Names will reveal a lot of them as well.

DigiMark007
No, everything will be a secret until the battles. You won't know who everyone has until they're posted in the fight (this was because I wanted to avoid having to deal with pre-fight write-ups, at least in round 1). Names of amalgams (and any bios or pics you feel like including), unless you announce them publicly yourself, will also remain a secret until the battles.

I will, however, have my own short character notes for each amalgam to explain to participants (and voters) exactly what powers the amalgams have (since many powers/items have been taken away and often the links aren't the best sources) and what the limits are for certain powers. These notes will be posted with each battle

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