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While it has no effect on the gameplay or skill levels, I still think it'd be interesting to see, with all these lightsaber-wielders walking around, just what styles the players have decided to use for lightsaber combat.

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1st Form - Shii-Cho

Simple and practical, with no emphasis on any one trait. Think Kit Fisto or a Padawan.

2nd Form - Makashi

Fluid motions and parry-riposte tactics, requires great focus and is very refined, but does poorly against blasters. Think Count Dooku.

3rd Form - Soresu - subform Sokan

Most adept at defensive manuevering and the standard slash-block tactics, requires great speed and swift efficient swings but is a bit weak in attack power. Subform Sokan makes up for it with swift efficient attacks. Think Obi-Wan Kenobi.

4th Form - Ataru

Most acrobatic of the forms, requires great speed and lots of jumping and spinning to attack opponents from multiple angles. Think Yoda or Qui-Gon Jinn.

5th Form - Djem So - subform Shien

A very offensive form, requires great strength and wide sweeping powerful powerful blows. Subform Shien is more refined, a mix of Djem So and Makashi. Think Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker or Luke Skywalker.

6th Form - Niman - subform Kai-Kan

A blend of forms one through five, a very balanced form that allows the practitioner of the form to be agile but strong, defensive and offensive when they choose. Kai-Kan is a more defensive version. Think Darth Sidious.

7th Form - Juyo - subform Vaapad

A blend of forms Djem So and Ataru, it relies on powerful sweeping blows like Djem So and the spins of Ataru. Think Darth Maul. Subform Vaapad, developed by Jedi Master Mace Windu, relies on the same tactics, but is the most offensive form of all the forms.

Jar'Kai - For those wielding two lightsabers, one for each hand, could pretty much be applied to any form.

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And so there you have it!



Must note, the only people who could possibly use Vaapad would be Master Marcus or Vlad Shafran, due to their training from Mace Windu. Also possible for a Dark Jedi to use it, if they had some background with Windu. Haven't seen that, so Marcus and Vlad are the only ones possible.

Galder would definitely be a practioner of Jar'Kai, with him swinging those lightsabers about.

But, on the rare occasion that he does go with one blade, and also the basis of his method of Jar'Kai, Galder would be using Juyo.

Do you even need to ask me? Xeth definitely uses Ataru.

Gallagher keeps it simple. Shii-Cho would be best for him.

well..niman, i guess

I vote for Niman as well. Though, Rand isn't as flashy or fast as Palpatine...which is an odd thought...

You slow old geizure, you.



Jelena uses Jar'Kai, I guess. Otherwise, it'd be Soresu.

no question Xorn definately either usesd Ataru and sometimes Shien

Ataru. Vera-Kin is basically female rebellious Yoda.

Jar'Kai, obviously, as Rianna uses two sabers....otherwise I guess Sokan would be closest.

Ataru sure is popular.

yeah people love the flipping like Yoda and such!!

Andro is proabably a Shii Cho practitioner. Mainly because the other forms didn't really fit just how I was playing him on Droben or with the fact that he is fairly un-athletic, and not spectacular at defense. I figure him for a fairly straight-forward, no nonsense fighter; fast, but not flashy.

Roan is definitly a Makashi but with more blaster defence..

I didn't add this but on VERY rare occasions Xorn will usr Form II

Juyo and when in real danger (like against Balek I go for Vaapad, still need to hone that technique tho)

Good call, Marcus. That must have been a crazy match-up for the Galder vs. Marcus fight then. Juyo experts.

Those five droid kills you made had to be Vaapad.

Let's face it, you all actually use a cross between kendo and tennis.

So long as you are not dumb enough to hold a guard in front of your face like Obi-Wan does in TPM then you're clear.

ush had to come and spoil the fun out of it

I honestly was waiting for that.......

And tennis can be a painful sport...that is if you're me, anyway....

Just so you know what I am talking about... using kendo/kenjitsu terms here, the main inspiration for the film fights...

Here is my 'Spot the Master' competition.

This is the moment they sense danger on the Federation ship in TPM.

On the right, Qui-Gon has drawn his guard he uses throughout the film- known as the 'Hasso' guard. Hasso was a form of guard originally developed by the Samurai whose helmets were big enough to get in the way of most traiditonal guards, so they held the sword to the side of their head instead. QGJ uses this rather well to keep his vision clear.

On the left, Obi-Wan- who uses a max and match style in the film- is here using a guard known as the 'prat' guard. Some form of perversion of the middle guard known as 'chudan', his... 'unique' trick here is to hold his guard in front of his face. Thus making sure that half of his field of vision is full of glowing lightsabre, so effectively he can't see a damn thing.

Smart.

I totally agree. Xeth should try Ben's stance more often.

Though, I was expecting Ush to say something too...

My money is on that Kuylen would have used Makashi, though...

Shii-Cho or Makashi for Tanic, I guess.

yea OB1 looks like a dumbass there

I wonder if it was a fluke by McGregor or just GL showing us that OB1 ain't there yet.

Well, as much weapons training as was present between Gillard and Park, I'm betting it was intentional. The behind-the-scenes previews and DVD commentary content were full of Lucas and Gillard talking about the 'realism' of the lightsaber fights they constructed. And Ush, I remember Gillard actually saying in TPM's DVD that the fighting style had a little tennis in there.

That combined with Obi-Wan shorting out his saber in the water makes me think that it was again to show Obi-Wan's still in development.

Yes, it DOES have a little tennis in there. My talk on how the lightsabre fighting works all comes from Gillard. You misunderstand me, I feel- I was in absolutely no way criticising Nick at all; I think he is fantastic.

You know, I've never thought about that before, but now that I do, I can see the tennis thing with how they fight...I dunno why I never noticed it before, being as I've played tennis most of my life and it's the only sport that I'm really good at...but yeah, now that I think about it, I can see that.

And for some reason that picture of Obi-wan and Qui-gon holding their sabers just reminds me of flags practice.....

In the shot at the start of TPM when QGJ and Obi-Wan race down the corridor towards the bridge, hacking droids down on the way, QGJ actually executes a forehand tennis shot- outright- to deflect a blaster bolt. As it is obvious that anything you hit with a forehand shot wasn't going to actually hit you anyway, it has been generally assumed that he was in fact covering Obi-Wan; this was the origin of the Bodyguard trick.

Yea, Obi's TPM sword play is like our flags...
Shitty...

No, I was agreeing with you Ush. I had een wondering if you'd got that from Gillard. It'sthe only time I've heard sword fighting compared to tennis. And I never noticed the forehand shot. Not a tennis player, so I'm hard-pressed to notice a correlation myself.

Heh! I wonder how Qui-Gon would do in a tennis match...

No one seems to like Djem So. You'd think people would flock to Anakin's form...

I suspect he would pull off some 'impossible' spin shots.

Wow, that would be fun, I'd think.....

Originally posted by Bespin Bart
Heh! I wonder how Qui-Gon would do in a tennis match...

No one seems to like Djem So. You'd think people would flock to Anakin's form...

I honestly thought about it myself, but figured that's what everyone else would do. But like I said, none of them really fit how I imagine Andro to fight but Shii-Cho.

hezrou uses the juyo

Jedi Tennis!
Its all the rage in Coresaunt! (spelled like crap i know..)

Originally posted by Jazzman_78
I honestly thought about it myself, but figured that's what everyone else would do. But like I said, none of them really fit how I imagine Andro to fight but Shii-Cho.

A well-balanced swordsman is always good.

Though, in Xeth's case, can you imagine anything BUT a buggy thing jumping around like crazy?

I've always wondered what some sports would be like if they were played by Jedi. It would be complete insanity and extremely fast-paced. Hockey? The Jedi would cheat and make the shots miss or go in. Basketball? They could jump from half-court and dunk it, it shoot three-pointers from the other end of the court. Baseball? Hit home runs because they powered up with the Force before the swing. *cringes*

I honestly think that'd be great fun to watch.....teams of Jedi playing against each other, it'd be sheer insanity.....

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Jedi Tennis!
Its all the rage in Coresaunt! (spelled like crap i know..)

If I could use the Force, then I'd be REALLY good at tennis...(and probably manage to not break my finger while playing)....

Ooh, ooh, flags routines with the Force I'd never miss a toss!

Which I actually never did anyway......

Wow, someone's a flaggot...

haha...get it? No?

6th form for me.

Yeah, Chris, I've only heard that joke about four hundred million times....

Shush.

Heh, what's with the Dark Side thinkers choosing Niman? Popular among the power-hording folk, I guess...

Meh, we just say that ours sucks...
which they do
which we tell them. alot..

Any Jedi games would be fun to watch...

Poor Stefan's flaggots...

Yeah, it'd be pretty crazy. Imagine lacross.

Yup...
And it seems our Drum major is on a personal mission to date all of them... (their freshmen...)

Now isn't that bizarre.

Rex's drum major is a chick with muscles.

Ours is a skinny pasty white guy who always wears long sleeves and pants...

My high school's flags team kicked ass went to competition and took first place

And Lacrosse would be very interesting played by Jedi.....

(wow, we ran this thread into the ground)

Nope
last year
band got 75's and an 80 or something..
Flags?



45....

Pssshhh....should have me go teach them....

(wow, that just reminded me of a dream that Moira had a while back and told me about )

you wanna??
I wouldn't stop ya!

(just to get us back on topic...)

Dak uses a carefully crafted variation of Jar'Kai. His style is actually built upon three ways of carrying his 'sabres:

1) Both 'sabres regular grip (blade end above thumbs)
2) One 'sabre regular, one reverse grip
3) Both 'sabres reverse grip

Form 1 is based mostly upon defense, form 2 is a median between defense and attack, and form 3 is solely for acrobatic slashes, throwing defense to the winds.

Dak usually stays within forms 1 and 2, but he's trained enough to be able to flip through several forms changes in seconds.

Jar'Kai is what Xavier uses mostly but with only one maybe even two he is more like Juyo in form.
Using his physical superiority against opponents.

bringing this back from the dead I am thinking of changing my LightSaber Styles......I still Liek Ataru he will definately use that, He will use Form II if he has only a sinbgle single sided lightSaber, but picking up new styles, as well as Shien would be fun for Xorn

Ezekiel has mastered Shien.

Why do you think my character survived the attack on Yavin by th...

Okay. Nevermind.

I find Shien to be an extremely effective Form only when Mastered to the highest degree. It blends an ancient and stylish form of dueling combat with a somewhat aggresive and quick form of combat.

Jar'Kai, though if one of my lightsabers were lost, I would go Soresu... And another thing, did you know the character on Lanas sig killed the one in Sorgos sig?

Niman sounds best for my new character, Ala'ii. I did think about Ataru but she doesn't come across as the one to do that with her Vibro-sword...

Simple, balanced and precise attacks that require little effort and slowly wear down your opponent are an excellent way to fight, for example; my ongoing duel with Nihilous in another forum, she uses this style to learn the drift of her opponent's attacks.

So my vote goes to Niman, all the way!

hmm for my lizard guy i chose a mix of jar'kai, ataru and niman for offensive and a juggling thing for defence. basically john switches his 3(yes 3) sabres simultaneously between his arms and tail at high speed so the enemy is confused. they cant attack without losing grip on their weapon and they cant tell when or where the next attack is comming from. pretty sweet

actually scratch the last bit. just niman, jar'kai and ataru

Vlad goes for Vaapad. This is a very poor and desperate explanation of why Vlad always gets damaged heavily, but kills lots of droids. Not cause the person who is playing him doesn't give a crap about defense manueveres, or just completely forgets them. It's the form I tell you, the lightsabre form!

Ah, right, forgot you were trained by Windu for your background...

And remember that time when I fought 20 droids? And in the end I totally forgot about any dodge manuevers and got 20 damage? Yeah. Blame it all on the freaken style!

Haha, good call.

I might revise Rand's form to Shii-Cho.

Originally posted by 2Tidus!
And remember that time when I fought 20 droids? And in the end I totally forgot about any dodge manuevers and got 20 damage? Yeah. Blame it all on the freaken style!

I prefer to blame it on player idiocy whistling

lol

What did I say? Blame it on the style godamnit! .

What's my excuse, then? Oh, wait, I usually get less damage than everyone else...

lol rex

Originally posted by General Zink
I vote for Niman as well. Though, Rand isn't as flashy or fast as Palpatine...which is an odd thought...
Niman too

Hmm.... Well, I have multiple characters, so...

Meastu Vakos- About 70% Soresu, 30% Makashi
Xio Baston- Ataru
Bess Troulin- Shien and Makashi

Given his ideals, I think Aurel'd favor Soresu over other forms, but with his personality and passion for swordplay, I certainly don't see it as impossible for him to to have actively practiced each form to get a sense of how it works. In this case, his least proficient forms I would imagine to be Jar'Kai (he doesn't strike me as much of a dual wielder), and Vaapad, since I don't imagine Master Windu being very open about sharing its practice. He'd probably favor Makashi in duels, and Shii-Cho would certainly be a sturdy foundation for everything.

Hope this isn't so old that it's dead, but given Aurel's specialty, I couldn't help but say something.

Wow this is a blast from the past.

Xeth is whichever one is ridiculously athletic. He fights like Yoda.

That would be Ataru. Certainly one of the more flashy styles.

I would have thought that, with 5s in Agility and Strength, Djem So would have been more suited for Aurel, with inflections of Ataru.

What would you say is Denz?

Your Agility is high, so probably Ataru. Ultimately up to you, of course.

I was just thinking Juyo.

Originally posted by REXXXX
I would have thought that, with 5s in Agility and Strength, Djem So would have been more suited for Aurel, with inflections of Ataru.

Really, what makes me think of such things comes down to Aurel's mindset. He doesn't like conflict, and is fully aware of how deadly a lightsaber is. He would only want to pull it out as a last resort, which is why he focuses so heavily on his non-saber combat as well. If he can subdue someone rather than kill them, he will. I also see him as highly practical. His choice of style will largely depend on the situation he finds himself in. Soresu's defensive advantages are overall a good compliment to his desire to protect rather than destroy. It's only when he's not defending someone, and is in a position where he knows he must take a life, that he will open up, as it were.

Wentar was probably most practiced in Niman in his Jedi days, but once he became a Renegade and started spending most of his time in the lawless outer rim he probably had to adapt to the more hostile environment and wound up focusing on Soresu more.

Which actually works well for my blade schticks. Block, Bodyguard, Focused Guard and Reflection all fit the Soresu vibe, while Orthodox Guard seems to suit Niman's description fairly well.

The Guard schticks do a very good job of representing the different forms from a gameplay perspective, I think. My interpretations of each guard with combat forms is as follows:



From the description, it sounds like a good choice for Soresu/Ataru.



This one definitely strikes me as representing Makashi, with the focus on one target, but the overall defensive nature can also be indicative of Soresu.



Just about any of the offensive forms fits this Guard, and it's tap strikes me as significantly Vaapad in nature.



It's the descriptor of it being the standard that makes me see this Guard as primarily Shii-Cho, though being the foundation, it can certainly represent the blended forms easily enough, I think.

Forward Guard also strikes me as Djem So. Which is definitely what Galder uses, being a Strength fiend.

Rianna is crazy-flippy. Wooo Agility.

I wonder if that helped or hurt more when she was dealing with Vash on Bespin.

Oh it helped. A lot. She's very good against opponents that prioritize strength

Was that Vash's deal? I thought he had more Dext-no, wait, that was the other one. My mistake...is it bad I've forgotten the more competent Dark Jedi's name already? haermm

Xavier is a very strength based fighter. With some good dexterity mixed in.