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Who wins?

Black Bolt, but he'll probably need more than just a whisper.

hell probly need to scream out his lungs to even phase Juggy cuz thats wuit he did to Apocalypse, who in my opinion has less durability than Juggy, and Apocalypse didnt even feel it.

Originally posted by armandovalles
hell probly need to scream out his lungs to even phase Juggy cuz thats wuit he did to Apocalypse, who in my opinion has less durability than Juggy, and Apocalypse didnt even feel it.

You do realize in their most recent encounter BB destroyed Apoc with just a whisper......right?

Would you like a scan if you don't believe me?

~wickerman~

HAHAHAHA...is that in the lattest black panther? Thats hilarious!

Originally posted by Wynndar
HAHAHAHA...is that in the lattest black panther? Thats hilarious!

BP #7

Next page, BP thanks him for saving his kingdom....even though he took out quite a portion of it

and then he asks him if it felt good speaking.......even a syllable. And BB has a sad sad face cry

Should've said "Yes" and destroyed everything left of BP's kingdom

~wickerman~

Black Bolt's such a bad ass.

If Juggernaut was smart enough he act hurt Black Bolt used his Scream and when Black Bolt got close then Juggernaut hit Black Bolt as hard as he could then hit before Black Bolt knew what was going on.

Originally posted by golem370
If Juggernaut was smart enough he act hurt Black Bolt used his Scream and when Black Bolt got close then Juggernaut hit Black Bolt as hard as he could then hit before Black Bolt knew what was going on.

I don't know about that man.......i remember him picking an enraged mindless Hulk up and into the air (using his power, not hands ) and then simply charging him up with neutrons so much that he basically called every single Lightning in the are to strike Hulk at the same time........Hulk = KTFO.......BB isnt an imbecile

~wickerman~

Thor tried Lighting and look what happened

Black Bolt's lightning isnt the same as weather system lightning like Thor and Storm's.

Originally posted by golem370
Thor tried Lighting and look what happened

i think you're missing the point.....EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE LIGHTNING AROUND *wipes drool from mouth*
Not ONE single lightning summoned byThor

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wynndar
Black Bolt's lightning isnt the same as weather system lightning like Thor and Storm's.

It was inthat case. What he did was charge Hulk's body with neutrons, which drew all the potential lightnings around into Hulk at the same time.....however, that's beyond the point here. I just gave that as an example to show that BB isnt an imbecile

~wickerman~

Yeah but Thors Lighting is Mystical and he also used God Force and still could not stop Juggs.

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah but Thors Lighting is Mystical and he also used God Force and still could not stop Juggs.

Err......i always thought the power of invoking the lightnings was magical.....as in not the lightnings themselves....ergo all the "mystic power to call onthe forces of nature" as opposed to "power to call the mystical forces of nature" .

And i never said BB wins.....i was simply stating he's not an imbecile

~wickerman~

Not trying to be mean just saying

Originally posted by golem370
Not trying to be mean just saying

No problem man, you're still cool in my book

It's other people that are getting to me in other threads *sighs*

~wickerman~

BB,cant kill Juggs, If juggernaut gets a full head of steam it doesnt matter screams or not he aint stopping until he tramples bb.

Originally posted by Wickerman
You do realize in their most recent encounter BB destroyed Apoc with just a whisper......right?

Would you like a scan if you don't believe me?

~wickerman~

In all fairness this scan is from the whole house of M alternate world. Thats like using a scan from the Age of Apocolypse. In the 616 Black Bolt had his shot and Apocolypse didn't even blink.

This is the same house of M that has Juggernaut getting OWNED by the Blob.

what issue did apoc not blink please?

Originally posted by Wynndar
what issue did apoc not blink please?
honestly can't tell you it was on one of these threads and someone posted a scan of it.

yea i heard that wasnt true so Im trying to find out where it is.

Originally posted by Wynndar
yea i heard that wasnt true so Im trying to find out where it is.

Ok it seems I was wrong about the scans, but BB did scream and Apocolypse didn't get hurt. It was in X-Factor 67. Its on one of the last pages of the "Superman vs Apocoypse"

they have a scan of it?

Uh...what could Black Bolt do to Juggernaut at all? I'm not even being mean. I just don't see how he could damage him in the slightest.

BB is great and all, but this is Juggernaut we're talking about. Unless this is current jugg-you're-not, BB loses.

Originally posted by long pig
BB is great and all, but this is Juggernaut we're talking about. Unless this is current jugg-you're-not, BB loses. lol yea, i like to call him Jugger-NOT!

black bolt i think, too much power.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
black bolt i think, too much power.
never count out marko.

Too much power for what, exactly?

BB at best can stalemate, otherwise he can't win.

Originally posted by long pig
Too much power for what, exactly?

BB at best can stalemate, otherwise he can't win.
agreed, now supes on the other hand, he'd beat them both.

Originally posted by Warmonger
In all fairness this scan is from the whole house of M alternate world. Thats like using a scan from the Age of Apocolypse. In the 616 Black Bolt had his shot and Apocolypse didn't even blink.

This is the same house of M that has Juggernaut getting OWNED by the Blob.

HoM is considered continuity. It takes place in the 616 Universe. It is mainstream. It's not an ALTERNATE reality. It might be an altered reality. however, the characters remain considered mainstream, and so are the events.

Yeah, it was x-factor 67, but as i said in the other thread, that was back in 91 or so. back then i think BB's scream was still considered ONLY sonic, instead of the whole particle that interacts with electrons tra la la with sonic as a simple backlash. So....i'm not surprised by Apoc not caring much

Now, i'm not saying BB wins, but it's at least a stalemate. Why? Because BB can fly and Juggernaut can't.....catch my drift?

~wickerman~

Na na na na na, you cant catch me !!!

<Those ****in words will probably come out of BB's mouth while flying>

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Na na na na na, you cant catch me !!!

<Those ****in words will probably come out of BB's mouth while flying>

LOL .....there goes half the planet

Anyway, fact is, if it's not a win for BB, it's stalemate. Nothing less. CLEARLY.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
LOL .....there goes half the planet

Anyway, fact is, if it's not a win for BB, it's stalemate. Nothing less. CLEARLY.

~wickerman~ Wickerman found the pink... only to have it taken away.

Yep if BB is gonna win, its stalemate !!!!

I mean, how will Juggs fight on empty vacum outer space ??

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Yep if BB is gonna win, its stalemate !!!!

I mean, how will Juggs fight on empty vacum outer space ?? Simple walk forward.

Originally posted by newjak86
Simple walk forward.

LOL by that reasoning, Juggernaut can walk on air, cause he's unstoppable

~wickerman~

well.. yeah, in the first issue he was in jean lifted him telekenetically and he walked through the air despite having nowhere to put is feet.

Originally posted by Decay
well.. yeah, in the first issue he was in jean lifted him telekenetically and he walked through the air despite having nowhere to put is feet. Exactly since his powers are based on magic he can do the impossible such as walk on air when he shouldn't be able to do so.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Uh...what could Black Bolt do to Juggernaut at all? I'm not even being mean. I just don't see how he could damage him in the slightest.

Remove that helmet and mind rape Cain. BLack Bolt has more options than Cain does.

bump

I say Black Bolt whispers in his ear like he did with Gladiator. Ouch.

I think Juggernaut would turn his force field and then when Black Bolt is standing there he back hands him like he did Thor.

Bah Black bolt takes his helmet off and mind rapes him it's over.

He uses his Force Field again. he would have to get close to Juggernaut to take his helmet off and I don't think he would want to do that.

Juggs doesn't even wear his helmet anymore does he?
I thought he stopped wearing it in New Excaliber?

Originally posted by golem370
He uses his Force Field again. he would have to get close to Juggernaut to take his helmet off and I don't think he would want to do that.
Wrong BB has a variety of long range attacks

lol, nimrod destroyed juggs with sonics, ie, sound

BB curbstomps him with it

Nimrod wad defeated by Colossus

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Nimrod wad defeated by Colossus
That's not the point

Originally posted by thesilverspider
That's not the point no not rly but wat is the point, huh WHAT IS THE POINT DAMNIT???????????????????
Blackbolt wins evertime THINK ABOUT EVEN IF JUGGS GETS HIS HANDS ON HIM, BB SCREAMS IN PAIN SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! YOU GET THE PICTURE!

Current Juggernaut? He can hardly handle Colossus. His powers are severly depleted and he's hardly the " unstoppable " monster he once was. Black Bolt would more than stalemate him since BB held his own with Gladiator. Black Bolt 6/10.

Juggernaut would not be hurt by Black Bolt, unless BB can get the helmet off. his helmet was off when Nimrodused sonics.
Even if he screams, all that would happen, is that Juggernaut might end up in space, looking at the half of earth that is left over.
You have to remember, Juggy's whole "thing" is that he is protected, and does whatever he is trying to do, goes where he wants to go.
Really, when you are talking about somebody beating Jugg's, you are talking about them beating Cyttorak.
Jugg's vs BB, is Cyttorak's power vs. BB's power.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Juggernaut would not be hurt by Black Bolt, unless BB can get the helmet off. his helmet was off when Nimrodused sonics.
Even if he screams, all that would happen, is that Juggernaut might end up in space, looking at the half of earth that is left over.
You have to remember, Juggy's whole "thing" is that he is protected, and does whatever he is trying to do, goes where he wants to go.
Really, when you are talking about somebody beating Jugg's, you are talking about them beating Cyttorak.
Jugg's vs BB, is Cyttorak's power vs. BB's power. Juggs doesn't have Cyttorak anymore either, does he?


This is current Juggs right? It wasn't specified in that original post.
No gem of Cytorrak, and I believe no helmet either?

Originally posted by Juntai
Juggs doesn't have Cyttorak anymore either, does he?


This is current Juggs right? It wasn't specified in that original post.
No gem of Cytorrak, and I believe no helmet either?

Your're right. I don't know which one they are talking about. I just figured classic. That would make a big difference.

I think BB should win, due to more options, except if he would chose to stand with Juggie, than Juggie would murder him, but BB is not stupid.

Bump.

This is absolutely ridiculous.
There is no way BB is going to beat Juggernaut. That is just stupid.
If Hulk and Thor can't beat Juggernaut, BB is not going to do it.
His voice and electron powers, etc, are not stronger than Juggernaut's Cyttorak powered traits.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This is absolutely ridiculous.
There is no way BB is going to beat Juggernaut. That is just stupid.
If Hulk and Thor can't beat Juggernaut, BB is not going to do it.
His voice and electron powers, etc, are not stronger than Juggernaut's Cyttorak powered traits.

Juggy is NOT Cyttorak.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This is absolutely ridiculous.
There is no way BB is going to beat Juggernaut. That is just stupid.
If Hulk and Thor can't beat Juggernaut, BB is not going to do it.
His voice and electron powers, etc, are not stronger than Juggernaut's Cyttorak powered traits.
First of all

BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk
Second of all thor HAS beaten juggs

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
First of all

BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk
Second of all thor HAS beaten juggs
First of all

somebody being greater than Hulk means nothing to me when the topic is Juggernaut. Juggernaut is way >>>>>>>>>>> thank Hulk.

Second, are you talking about Thor cutting off Jugg's from his power?
That has absolutely NO bearing on a battle between BB and Juggernaut.

There is nothing BB can do to Jugg's except piss him off.

Originally posted by Horrificus
There is nothing BB can do to Jugg's except piss him off. Untrue.

BB could encase him in adamantium, then BFR ftw.

ermmoh

Or wet cement.

Originally posted by SaintSmurph
Untrue.

BB could encase him in adamantium, then BFR ftw.

ermmoh
Has he ever created adamantium?

Also, if I remember right, that can't be done with adamantium.
It can only be made a certain way.
If it could just be whipped up, it wouldn't be adamantium.

But, again, has BB done that before?

Also, I think Jugg's could get out of one anyway.

But, even if he couldn't, that is just a BFR, and does not mean that BB defeated him.

Too many "if's".

The point is, BB does not have anything that can actually defeat Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Has he ever created adamantium?

Also, if I remember right, that can't be done with adamantium.
It can only be made a certain way.
If it could just be whipped up, it wouldn't be adamantium.

But, again, has BB done that before?

Also, I think Jugg's could get out of one anyway.

But, even if he couldn't, that is just a BFR, and does not mean that BB defeated him.

Too many "if's".

The point is, BB does not have anything that can actually defeat Juggernaut.


I am in complete agreement with you on the topic of Juggernaut vs Black Bolt. Cyttoraks enchantment is far greater than Black Bolts scream. Could Juggernaut walk away from an attack that could destroy a continent? I am inclined to believe so. I would go as far as to say that Black Bolt could not even hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut however can hurt or even kill Black Bolt.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Has he ever created adamantium?

Also, if I remember right, that can't be done with adamantium.
It can only be made a certain way.
If it could just be whipped up, it wouldn't be adamantium.

But, again, has BB done that before?

Also, I think Jugg's could get out of one anyway.

But, even if he couldn't, that is just a BFR, and does not mean that BB defeated him.

Too many "if's".

The point is, BB does not have anything that can actually defeat Juggernaut. BB's created all kinds of stuff before. Anti-matter...

If it could just be created from something else using electron and matter manipulation, it would still be adamantium.

BB encases Juggs in adamantium.

Cyttorak says "f*ck this", and bestows the power upon someone else.

Cain Marko suffocates and dies.

Ftw!

haermm

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Juggy is NOT Cyttorak.

Yeah but he's powered by Cyttorak's magic, and he can't be hurt by anything other than mind based attacks-Juggy for the win

BFR for the win.

Eventually Juggernaut kills him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Eventually Juggernaut kills him.

Not before a BFR takes place. Any way for him to counter it?

Juggernaut is an unstoppable force under normal earthly standereds true. However if you've read about him you would know that a energy discharge of the strength of a plasma cannon can temporarily stop him in his tracks...say's so in the marvel cataloge created by marvel themselves. Now we have also seen a futureistic sentinal; namely Nimrod, almost kill him when he didn't have his magic shield up.
He did so with ultra high frequency discharges.
That suggests that if Juggernaut's first shield can be breached that sufficent power can overcome him once it's destroyed.
The real kicker to beating Juggs. is if you can get past his magic shield to the second layer.

As far as his helmet being taken off he still has a skull cap