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Let me just run through the ranks and assign an army. I'll haggle numbers later.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract ((Yoda should lead an army of clone troopers))
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar ((Minor sith Magicians))
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in ((Super Battle Droids))
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia ((Droidekas))
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor ((Sith Troopers))
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody ((Dark troopers))
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel ((Clone Troopers))
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex ((Massassi Warriors))
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl ((Republic Soldiers))
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus ((Clone Troopers))
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 ((What era Luke was this???))
12) Malak -- Fishy ((Sith Troopers))

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy ((Jawas. No, really... Tattooine Mercenaries, since no other army would be available.))
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel ((Grievious Body Guards))
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex ((Space Pirates))
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl ((Beast Riders))
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in ((No clue on this one))
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar ((Sith Apprentices))
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 ((Storm Troopers))
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus ((Battle droids))
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract ((Storm Troopers))
1.22) Pass -- Darth Somebody
1.23) Pass -- Rand al'Thor
1.24) Pass -- Darth Zayzia

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) ((Minor jedi knights))
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) ((Jedi apprentices))
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) ((Mercenaries))
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) ((Krath elite troopers))
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) ((Who's Jerc?))
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) ((Sith assassins))
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) ((Minor Dark Jedi))
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) ((No clue on this one either))

Teh map!

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Let me just run through the ranks and assign an army. I'll haggle numbers later.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract ((Yoda should lead an army of clone troopers))
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar ((Minor sith Magicians))
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in ((Super Battle Droids))
4) Assaj Ventress -- Darth Zayzia ((Droidekas))
5) Revan -- Rand al'Thor ((Sith Troopers))
6) DE Sidious -- Darth Somebody ((Dark troopers))
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel ((Clone Troopers))
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex ((Massassi Warriors))
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl ((Republic Soldiers))
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus ((Clone Troopers))
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 ((What era Luke was this???))
12) Malak -- Fishy ((Sith Troopers))

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy ((Jawas. No, really... Tattooine Mercenaries, since no other army would be available.))
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel ((Grievious Body Guards))
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex ((Space Pirates))
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl ((Beast Riders))
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in ((No clue on this one))
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar ((Sith Apprentices))
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 ((Storm Troopers))
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus ((Battle droids))
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract ((Storm Troopers))
1.22) Pass -- Darth Somebody
1.23) Pass -- Rand al'Thor
1.24) Pass -- Darth Zayzia

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) ((Minor jedi knights))
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) ((Jedi apprentices))
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) ((Mercenaries))
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) ((Krath elite troopers))
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) ((Who's Jerc?))
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) ((Sith assassins))
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) ((Minor Dark Jedi))
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) ((No clue on this one either))



Janus have you not played Dark Forces 2? Jerec was one of Palpitene's Appentices and was wasted by Kyle.

actually..i'll put in what i think for Xanatos because i'll just guess i know the most about him if you're giving him space pirates.

Xanatos was actually the leader of Offworld, the largest mining corporation around during his time.

and yes, Offworld had an army...hutts, whipids, and the like usually. so an appropriate army would be something along those lines. like "Offworld Forces" or.. "Hutts and Whipids" or something.

NJO Luke Skywalker for the record

Hmm Janus...
I don't want to argue much on that point much but:

Kavar should have some (minor) Jedi Knights because the Jedi Council and the Republic were different organisations in KotoR times (until the Ruusan reformation). That can be seen at the end of KotoR when Vandar has command "over some Jedi Knights" - in fact Jedi didn't have the command over Republic soldiers since the Jedi didn't really belong to the Republic (that was the reason why they didn't participate in the Mandalorian Wars first) they were an independent organisation.

Only Revan had command over Republic troops because he talked them into following him. Not because Jedi are assigned to lead Republic troops.

I'll join, and here are my choices:

Kyp Durron

Darth Bandon

Ludo Kressh


Those are my picks.

Can I finalize my third round draft?

Yes, you can finalize a third rounder.

ResubianNushi picks:
1.) Kyp Durron
2.) Darth Bandon
3.) Ludo Kressh

Eh, whatever. I just went with what I knew and posted up some things. It's not anyhow permanent, so chill.

I choose Supreme Overlord Shimrra and Harrun Kal as my homeworld.

for Quinlan umm...perhaps a spy-network that gives some sort of advantage? or some mercs, or some Separatist troops of some kind, like some droids. not sure really...

And with Obi Wan? Can he at least have a shit load of Tatooine mercenaries?

Like I said, that line up isn't anyhow permanent. I was just running through. in any case, it's up to Illustrious and Faunus to work with myself on making a final say.

Originally posted by ESB-1138
NJO Luke Skywalker for the record

Oh great just what this thread needs...NJO Luke.

may i enter

a manderlore, Jango fett, kieron halcyon

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Hmm Janus...
I don't want to argue much on that point much but:

Kavar should have some (minor) Jedi Knights because the Jedi Council and the Republic were different organisations in KotoR times (until the Ruusan reformation). That can be seen at the end of KotoR when Vandar has command "over some Jedi Knights" - in fact Jedi didn't have the command over Republic soldiers since the Jedi didn't really belong to the Republic (that was the reason why they didn't participate in the Mandalorian Wars first) they were an independent organisation.

Only Revan had command over Republic troops because he talked them into following him. Not because Jedi are assigned to lead Republic troops.

Not really, as soon as the Jedi entered they got control. Vandar tells admiral Dodona what to do at the last chance the Republic has. She listens. He is higher then her, or at least she seems to follow his orders faster then her own. Maybe the Jedi didn't control the fleet at the start of the war, but they sure as hell did so later on.

*whew*

Raz is pissed off at me for having two usernames even though I totaly forgot I have the first one.

Uh, explain to him the mistake and have him delete the original account. It's not like you're actively using both and deceiving people or abusing your forum privledges.

can i join?

Doubt it, we're past the chosing phase

Yeah, we just have to finalize the army/counts and we'll be underway.

thats good, so what time will this start?

I guess that depends on if and when Faunus get around to tweaking with the army list that I cooked up.

ok, will you also assign the size of the armies and the relaitve power level of each soldier? because otherwise someone can decide that their person has corotosis armor a personal shield etc. If you also told the rough power levels of each soldier it would also make us use more tactics rather than just run in and slash wildely (ie, Anakin Skywalker in AotC vs Dooku)

The size of the army will match up with the troop type and the leader, so as not to give anyone a ridiculous advantage. It'll be fair.

Umm.. how come some of the chosen headquarters aren't on the map?

some of them aren't charted in republic space.

Originally posted by Jaster Mereel
some of them aren't charted in republic space.

Hey Jaster Mereel that sig of yours is friggin awsome! It looks like a Janus peice did he make it?

I did. Thanks.

Hell, this place is dead.

Yeah, where is that Faunus foo? He needs to get back, the weekend is coming.

No kidding. Maybe sometime tonight he'll show.

i know im late,but can i jon im on this forum a long time i wasnt just very active lately,can i join?

If this is going to occur tomorrow (Saturday for us American folks), I will not be able to attend or participate. I'm heading to a much awaited Motley Crue concert.

I mostly agree with you here.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clne Troopers)
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers)
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids)
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers)
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors)
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers)
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights)
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers)
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids)

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries)
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards)
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers)
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders)
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists)
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices)
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers)
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids)
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers)

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers

By Windu's 'Geonosis Knights', I simply mean the many Knights he lead into battle on Geonosis. And the 'Shock Troopers' of Vader and his Jedi counterpart are merely more heavily trained and equipped clones, his own personal legion.

K, now I'm thinking numbers. Anakin should likely have in the neighborhood of 5000, maybe a bit less for balance for Yoda. We should use that as a reference for the others.

I'd say 5000 is a reasonable amount; he likely couldn't take the Temple with too many less.

And, oh, scratch Mace's Jedi Knights; they'd get crushed by clone troopers.

Not if there are enough of them:


Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clne Troopers - 4000)
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers - 150)
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids - 3000)
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers - 5000)
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors - 2000)
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers - 4500)
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights - 500)
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers - 4000)
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids - 2000)

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries - 5000)
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards - 1000)
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers - ?)
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders - 2000)
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists - 300)
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices - 250)
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers - 5000)
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids - 4000)
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers - 4500)

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights - 600
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices - 600
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries - 4000
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers - ?
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers - 5000
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins - 300
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi - 400
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers - 5000

Something like that, tweak around the figures.

And now the numbers. However, to make these planetary invasions reasonable, I'd like to up the scales a bit. But, we'll build up later,if the idea is accepted.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clone Troopers) - 5,000
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers) - 750
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids) - 4,500
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers) - 4,500
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors) - 1,500
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers) - 5,500
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights) - 750
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers) - 5,000
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids) - 750

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries) - 1,500
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards) - 750
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers) - 1,500
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders) - 2,500 ???
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists) - 750
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices) - 300
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers) - 4,000
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids) - 7,000
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers) - 5,000

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights - 650
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices - 700
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries - 1500
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers - 1000
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers - 4,000
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins - 500
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi - 700
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers - 5,500

This needs some assistance, since I'm not too sure about the numbers myself.

Dude, you chopped the number of minor Knights I get for Hoth to less that half. I like the old list better. lol

Yes, well, assume that Hoth's Jedi are better than Windu's my friend, and all we will be fine. Actually, we should give each individual unit a point value.

Exp: Clone Trooper - 2
Exp: Hoth's Knights - 7
Exp: Geonosis Knights - 6

Get it?

Okay. What about dark jedi? Bastila has more of those, but not enough more to make a full different point value make it equal I believe.

I got nothing to do for a while. If you want, if you give me some a list of how powerful each unit it, I'll make a list of numbers that make each army relavtivly equal.

Did we update since people joined and stuff? Cuz I don't see my update nor anyone else who tried to join.

Faunus never responded if he wanted me to do this or not, but I did it anyway. The sides aren't all exactly equal, but that's to keep numbers pretty round(no 3423 ect.). They are within ten percent of any other army. If I made any huge errors, whatever, I've already done my part on this. lol.

Clone Troopers- 2 points
Elite Sith Soliders- 4 points
Super Battle Droids- 3 points
Shock Troopers- 3 points
Massassi Warriors- 8 points
Republic Soliders- 2 points
Genosian Knights- 5 points
New Republic Solider- 2 points
Star Forge Droids- 6 points
Desert Mercenaries- 6 points
IG-100 Magna Guards- 6 points
Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers- 5 points
Bast Riders- 5 points
Sith Duelist- 12 points
Sith Apprentices- 8 points
TFD Battle Droids- 1 point
Storm Trooper- 2 points
Minor Jedi Knights- 12 points
Jedi Apprentice- 8 points
Coruscant Mercenaries- 6 points
Krath Elite Troopers- 12 points
Sith Assassins- 8 points
Minor Dark Jedi- 12 points


Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clone Troopers) - 5,000
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers) - 2,500
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids) - 3,300
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers) - 3,300
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors) - 1,250
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers) - 5,000
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights) - 2,000
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers) - 5,000
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids) - 1,600


Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries) - 1,600
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards) - 1,600
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers) - 2,000
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders) - 2,000
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists) - 800
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices) - 1,200
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers) - 3,300
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids) - 10,000
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers) - 5,000


Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights - 800
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices - 1,200
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries - 1,600
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers - 800
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers - 5,000
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins - 1,200
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi - 800
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers - 5,000

IGNORE

Sorry, lol. But I'd have to say I rather disagree on a few matters.

Clone Troopers: 2
Elite Sith Soldiers: 7
Super Battle Droids: 3
Shock Troopers: 3
Massassi Warriors: 6
Republic Soldiers: 2
Geonosian Knights: 6
New Republic Soldier: 2
Star Forge Droid: 6
Desert Mercenaries: 3
IG-1000: 6
Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers: 5
Beast Riders: 4
Sith Duelist: 7
Sith Apprentices: 5
TFD Battle Droids: 1
Storm Troopers: 2
Jedi Knights: 6
Jedi Apprentice: 5
Coruscant Mercenary: 4
Krath Elite: 6
Sith Assassin: 4
Dark Jedi: 6

I didn't tally up the point percentages as you did, but I think these are somewhat appropriate. Although the total number of troops may need tweaking, I think the points are good enough.

Hey man, you leaving out me.

Originally posted by ResubianNushi
I'll join, and here are my choices:

Kyp Durron

Darth Bandon

Ludo Kressh


Those are my picks.

Ah, didn't see this.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clone Troopers) - 5,000
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers) - 750
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids) - 4,500
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers) - 4,500
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors) - 1,500
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers) - 5,500
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights) - 750
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers) - 5,000
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids) - 750
13) Kyp Durron -- ResubianNushi (Jedi Mavericks)

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries) - 1,500
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards) - 750
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers) - 1,500
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders) - 2,500 ???
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists) - 750
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices) - 300
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers) - 4,000
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids) - 7,000
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers) - 5,000
1.22) Ludo Kressh -- ResubianNushi (Lesser Sith Warriors)

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights - 650
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices - 700
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries - 1500
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers - 1000
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers - 4,000
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins - 500
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi - 700
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers - 5,500
1.33) Darth Bandon -- ResubianNushi (*Random*) Sith Swordsman

Shut up faunus you're full of crap just like your mother

well personally I think that the numbers are not a great way to judge a person, i think that it would be better if you would say how many average jedi each unit could take down (by average I mean Obi-Wan in TPM or AotC, Anakin Skywalker in AotC and RotJ Luke, the reason both TPM and AotC Kenobi is in there is because he changed forms and did not advance to much from TPM to AotC) If we go like that I say that the lists would go like this, I listed the soldier first, and then the number next to it is how many average jedi it could take out on its own:

Clone Troopers: 1/6 (takes 6 Clone's to defeat an average jedi)

Elite Sith Soldiers: 2

Super Battle Droids: 1/6 (takes 6 super's to defeat one average jedi)

Shock Troopers: I'm not sure how strong these guys are

Massassi Warriors: 1 (they would be weaker than the Elite Sith Soldiers since the Massassi Warriors for Kun had gotten much weaker and lsot their control of the force that they had during Marka's time)

Republic Soldiers: 1/6 (takes 6 Troopers to take down an average jedi)

Geonosian Knights: 1/2 or 1/3 (takes two or three of them to take down an average jedi)

New Republic Soldier: 1/5 (takes 5 of them to take down an average jedi)

Star Forge Droid: 1

Desert Mercenaries: 1/10 (takes 10 of them to take down an average jedi)

IG-1000: 1

Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers: 1/15 (takes 15 of them to defeat an average jedi)

Beast Riders: 1/6 (takes 6 of them to defeat one average jedi)

Sith Duelist: 1

Sith Apprentices: 1/2 (takes two of them to defeat an average jedi)

TDF Battle droids: 1/20 (takes 20 of them to destroy an average jedi)

Storm Troopers: 1/6 (takes 6 of them to destroy an averge jedi)

Minor Jedi Knights: 1/3 (takes 3 of them to defeat an average jedi)

Jedi Apprentices: 1/4 (takes 4 of them to defeat an average jedi)

Coruscant Mercenaries: 1/10 (takes 10 of them to destroy an average jedi)

Krath Elite troopers: 1 (they did kill several jedi, and that was back in Exar's and Ulic's age)

Sith Assassins: 1/2 (takes 2 of them to destroy an average jedi)

Minor Dark Jedi: 1/2 or 1/3 (takes either 2 or 3 of them to destroy an average jedi


Well I hope this can help, but just a note, don't make the armies too small or else we could never take over a planet and each trooper would be too small, I think that the minimum army should be 1000, and if that means that some have armies of 10 000, then fine, but at least some armies are not like 100 people

i still don't agree with the Xanatos pick. more appropriate would be like...

3000 Hutts/Whipids, or just choose one and go with it, the lesser, more soldier like perhaps..

4000 Whipids, something like that, but whatever.


and how come with each new list i get less and less Massassi Warriors? anyone notice that? i started with 2000, then went down to 1500, and then to 1250...while others seem to go up.

Originally posted by birthoftheforce
Shut up faunus you're full of crap just like your mother

I guess the pointless bashing will never end. Are you TommyVercetti?

the lists have not been confirmed yet, we are just tossing numbers around, and if you notice, when I made my list, you would recieve more warriors than I would from Marka

Also, the reason you may get few warriors is because those that you do get are very strong and if you had too many of them, it would be stupid, for instance, imagine an average jedi vs a TF battledroid, it is just not fair. Also the size of the army depends on who you have as your general, the stronger the general, the weaker the army, this is to keep things more fair

Originally posted by BlackVortex
iand how come with each new list i get less and less Massassi Warriors? anyone notice that? i started with 2000, then went down to 1500, and then to 1250...while others seem to go up.

the reason is that the power associated with the Massassi Warriors per capita is being increased.

heh, ok. i was just saying.

Originally posted by birthoftheforce
Shut up faunus you're full of crap just like your mother

Either vercetti or Kingkman to be sure. Either way, banning time.

No worries, nothing is being intentionally biased, it's just a bit of tweaking.

The Massassi Warriors for Kun are KUN's contemporary Massassi, not Naga Sadow's.

And where is that Janus fella?

no idea, but what does everything think of my interpretation of the soldiers power?

its okay

Well, I think you highly overestimate the 'average' Jedi. And that makes things rather complicating, in my opinion. To clear things up, the units with less numbers in their ranks are far more powerful than the unit with ten times that number of units.

So, BlackVortex, no need to be confused. Your Massassi Warriors are rather powerful in my book, hence their lower numbers. I can't have one Warrior for every two clones, now can I? An average Jedi would fall to no less than two Massassi; and would have trouble with only one.

alright what I said there was just an idea, no worries

Oh, I meant no offense. And I thank you for your input. It was helpful.

I'm here. I didn't read any of those posts yet, because numbers make my brain hurt. i'll read it in depth in a bit here. Let's suffice to say I am here.

A little question: Are you rating the "Beast Riders" without having "beasts" ?

Well, they aren't very effective without them.

Hm. I guess I simply underestimated them. . . Then how does 650 of them at a rating of 8 apiece sound? That seems about right.

That would make that army FAR to weak. His entire army would be about as good as an empty planet with five-hundred clones. Make it at least equal 10,000 points.

I don't know. This whole numeral thing is getting damn annoying. Illustrious can handle this, lol. I'll help a bit, but no one here seems to settle for anything.

Freedan Nadd himself conquered the beast riders. They can't be very good.

Freedon could probably take Revan though. Being killed by Nadd is practically an honor.

Freedon Nadd is damn good.

I said Nadd could take Revan, but I forgot how much Revan has gone down the tube recently. He could probably take Bane too.

Janus that is a much better sig. I love it!

Holy crap! You keep getting name changes!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Holy crap! You keep getting name changes!

Veneficus is the latin word for Wizard or Sorcerer.

cool

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I said Nadd could take Revan, but I forgot how much Revan has gone down the tube recently. He could probably take Bane too.

Revan has not gone down the tube more as there is simply not enough evidence showing his true power. While I am quite certain he is incredibly powerful...for all we know he could be no more better than Sids.

I know. The problem is he is better if you speculate within in reason on it, but plain and simple facts can't prove much on him.

Thanks Rand.

Can one of the judges update my third round draft? I picked Overlord Shimrra and Haruun Kal as an HQ. Thanks in advance.

When is this fight going to start. This is getting crazy. If you judges need help getting it going, I have a few blank hours, I'll help get it going, let's just start fighting for goodness sake.

Round 1:
1) Yoda -- Darth Glentract (Clone Troopers) - 5,000
2) Marka Ragnos -- Lord Darkstar (Elite Sith Soldiers) - 750
3) Count Dooku -- Se7in (Super Battle Droids) - 4,500
7) Anakin Skywalker -- Jester Mereel (Shock Troopers) - 4,500
8) Exar Kun -- BlackVortex (Massassi Warriors) - 1,500
9) Master Kavar -- Nai Fohl (Republic Soldiers) - 5,500
10) Mace Windu -- Lord Simus (Geonosis Knights) - 750
11) Luke Skywalker -- ESB-1138 (New Republic Soldiers) - 5,000
12) Malak -- Fishy (Star Forge Droids) - 750
13) Kyp Durron -- ResubianNushi (Jedi Mavericks)

Round 2:
1.13) Obi-Wan Kenobi (ANH) -- Fishy (Desert Mercenaries) - 1,500
1.14) General Grievous -- Jester Mereel (IG-1000 MagnaGuards) - 750
1.15) Xanatos -- BlackVortex (Assorted Heavyweight Brawlers) - 1,500
1.16) Freedon Nadd -- Nai Fohl (Beast Riders) - 2,500 ???
1.17) Darth Bane -- Se7in (Sith Duelists) - 750
1.18) Darth Traya -- Lord Darkstar (Sith Apprentices) - 300
1.19) Darth Vader -- ESB-1138 (Shock Troopers) - 4,000
1.20) Darth Maul -- Lord Simus (TDF Battle droids) - 7,000
1.21) Joruus C'Baoth -- Darth Glentract (Storm Troopers) - 5,000
1.22) Ludo Kressh -- ResubianNushi (Lesser Sith Warriors)

Round 3:
1.25) Lord Hoth -- Darth Glentract (Corellia) Minor Jedi Knights - 650
1.26) Vodo Siosk-Bass -- Lord Simus (Coruscant) Jedi Apprentices - 700
1.27) Kyle Katarn -- Nai Fohl (Onderon) Coruscant Mercenaries - 1500
1.28) Ulic Qel-Droma -- Lord Darkstar (Malachor V) Krath Elite troopers - 1000
1.29) Jerec -- ESB-1138 (*Random*) Storm Troopers - 4,000
1.30) Sion -- Jester Mereel (*Random*) Sith Assassins - 500
1.31) DS Bastila -- Fishy (Kashyyyk) Minor Dark Jedi - 700
1.32) Quinlin Vos -- BlackVortex (Yavin IV) Clone Troopers - 5,500
1.33) Darth Bandon -- ResubianNushi (*Random*) Sith Swordsman
1.34) Supreme Overlord Shimrra -- Se7in (Haruun Kal) Yuuzhan Vong Warriors

And Glentract, I suppose I'm ready, but we need Illustrious and Janus.

I'm here.

Let's start then. I hope you guys have thought through how the actual fights are going to go.

That's why we needed Illustrious. . . lmao.

(ok...so i get heavy weight whatevers that sound like a bad pro-wrestling team's name....may i ask where you got the idea? what weapons they use? etc?)


and i thought about this..so we start...what if 2 people attack the same person? or some attacks and gets attacked at the same time? or will it be in turns, so that i can fight someone, and we debate for a while, and then it's someone elses turn, and they maybe fight or something, etc?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Let's start then. I hope you guys have thought through how the actual fights are going to go.

We had to fight?

Ah shit... I thought this was a basket weaving contest game!

What am I gonna do with all of these Martha Stewart links?

shit. maybe we all need a vacation for a few days. this thing is never going to fly at this rate.

It's turn based. I'm sure Illustrious has the small details worked out.

Is he hear right now? If not, when does he usually get back?

Vortex stop complaining about everything. . . Name your group whatever the hell you want. But the name I give is something easily identified. But hey, if it means quieting you, go for it.

Can I attack Commenor?

Aye yai yai.

Illustrious should be on within the next hour or two, I would think. He's usually on at this time. But you guys DO realize it's almost 1 AM eastern and you're gearing up for a game?

Most sane people are in bed at this time.

heh, i'm just saying buddy.

Since when has anyone here ever been sane?

Tsk. I should have been asleep two hours ago; can't screw up my school schedule. . .

Certainly not us. To debate Star Wars for more than a week of your life requires a flimsy handle on reality.

I've actually wondered if I have lost at least some of my grip on reality because of SW.

I wouldn't doubt it. When you start getting in depth analysis about a fighting style that couldn't exist out of the series, and then start haggling every little detail of the movies themselves, it's time to check and make sure you shaved for the week.

I lost my grip on reality the first tme I read Kingdom Come. . . Actually, it was when Thomas the Tank Engine came out.

Thomas scared me. Trains should not have faces on them. And what about the Muppet Babies? How come you never saw nanny's face? And how come every time they left the room they went into another dimension? Could it be they were alien children being herded for food, raised in an artificial environment by some faceless entity?

Originally posted by Lord Janus
I wouldn't doubt it. When you start getting in depth analysis about a fighting style that couldn't exist out of the series, and then start haggling every little detail of the movies themselves, it's time to check and make sure you shaved for the week.

I haven't shaved part of my face(shin area) in over three months. I think I've lost it. Actually, I'm trying to grow that part out. Still, not a good sign.

Yeah, when you have a shin area on your face, that isn't a good sign.

OK, I want to participate in this thing what are we talking about?

Meh, I'm tired and I work early. I'll catch you later

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Yeah, when you have a shin area on your face, that isn't a good sign.

Lmao!

Awww. We need to start fighting and Faunus won't doing anything without you. Owell, see you later.

sounds good, get some rest. Dont kill anyone.

Okay, Glentract. Illustrious is the one with all the minor details, so we can't do squat without him.

Present, and ready.

Well, will you be on in an hour or two when he should get back, because he won't do anything without you or Janus?

hey, you're here. good

Sorry for the triple post.

Can I attack Commenor?

calm down man, we probably need to wait for a turn order, so we're not all attacking people at once.

Glentract, you make me sound incredibly stupid.

'He won't do anything without you or Janus.'

The rules are all listed on page one. All planets not occupied by an individual are assumed to be a battalion of 500 clone troopers guarding a strategic position (planet dependent).

Also, we need to assign planets to those random folks.

I'll start, the judges can assign an individual a planet as they please:

ResubianNushi Hornyman gets Nar Shaddaa.

I'm just messing with you to try and get this going. Sorry, no offense intended.

birthoftheforce, cut out that kind of thing. Consider that a warning.

ESb-1138 can take Bothawui. And to Jester Mereel I'll give Kuat.

Kuat? Nice. Definately something I would consider.

Jawas pwn.

bump

Originally posted by Sorgo
Jawas pwn.

Again! You changed your sig!

Originally posted by Illustrious
The rules are all listed on page one. All planets not occupied by an individual are assumed to be a battalion of 500 clone troopers guarding a strategic position (planet dependent).

Also, we need to assign planets to those random folks.

I'll start, the judges can assign an individual a planet as they please:

ResubianNushi Hornyman gets Nar Shaddaa.

I think someone else has that as a planet Darth Windu Darth Faunus.

bump

When are you guys gonna start this? My popcorn is getting stale.

Never...............(sighs)

Hell if I know. No one's around.

I have never played a single game of Risk in my life.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I have never played a single game of Risk in my life.

I have Risk II on my cpu and play it all the time.

Exactly the opposite of what I said, but good for you.

Well Janus, have you finalized the army counts?

Yep, the first turn will come as soon as Glentract is ready, the first pick gets the the first turn.

He will get a 10% boost to his current army count, and he can distribute that to whatever planet he wants (he only has one right now ), and can attack ANY nominal planet in the SWU (proximity would be desired), then he would debate why his character should beat a battallion of 500 Clonetroopers in a fortified, strategic position.

I don't believe it! Janus/Nemesis has recieved and official warning from Ush!

Why the hell are you saying that in this thread?? Besides most of us here have before... Now can we get back on topic before this thread derails into something unimportant.

Originally posted by Fishy
Why the hell are you saying that in this thread?? Besides most of us here have before... Now can we get back on topic before this thread derails into something unimportant.

Geez sorry dude calm down...

Sorry its just that I want this thread to start already and not go off topic... Because before you know it we have to wait even longer until it starts.

Actually, I was thinking Faunus nailed the official count.

I guess I'll attack Commenor, if I can do that now.

My arguments:

It's close proximity, so not extremly huge troop deployment problems. Even the Rebel Alliance was able to transport their entire fleet much farthre than that in a small time.

My forces outnumber the clones 11 to one if I started the round with 5000 and got my 10% army increase.

Yoda, if he goes into front-line combat would be able to kill dozens of clones as was seen as in ep3 when he attacked the Jedi Temple with Obi-wan.

What about the strategic fortification the clones have set up? Do you think your army will be able to breach it without sustaining heavy losses? It is likely that they have the higher ground.

Could you when we talk about a planet give some specific info about what kind of material the clones have and where there base is, and perhaps some info on the star ships both sides have and if they can use them... Its pretty important for a fight to know what you are dealing with.

Because there is a huge difference between 500 clones in a weak base and 500 clones in a heavily fortified base with shields and tanks. Not to mention that if you can use starships the last one is going to be hard to take but the first one is going to be a walk in the park.

hmmm...this is interesting,damn I wish I could play, ahh well maybe another round later, what type of solidiers are we talking about against the clones here, do they have artillery?snipers? air support? how many entrances/exits are there?is it an elevated position, are there turrets or bunkers, WMd's? Any weaknesses that can be exploited like gates that can be opened soft spots in the wall etc.? man this is awesome but if you could give answers to these questions it would go a long way...

If it's not too late to get in...

I agree, FIshy. Also, consider certain things:

Planetary shields. Even the rather temporary Rebel base at Hoth was equiped with a shield that created an umbrella over the base. Using a high powered ion cannon, the rebels were able to rip loose on the ships in orbit while being relatively safe from bombardment. It also helps that Vader wanted Luke and his crew captured alive. In any case, the Imperials couldn't fly any fighter ships or small cruisers through the shield; instead they had to send in Imperial Walkers via a drop point some distance from the base.

Keep in mind that during this siege, the Imperials had several Star Destroyers and even the Executer floating in orbit, and still there were escapees (Though not very many). It was a loss for the Rebels, but it hindered the Imperials more than a little bit.

So consider all aspects of the battle, from ground troops, artillery support, fortifications and naval support.

... and on second thought, if we implement that, we have to add a whole new dimension to the game in the form of naval ships. Damn. Me and my big mouth.

Originally posted by Dark Nemesis
I agree, FIshy. Also, consider certain things:

Planetary shields. Even the rather temporary Rebel base at Hoth was equiped with a shield that created an umbrella over the base. Using a high powered ion cannon, the rebels were able to rip loose on the ships in orbit while being relatively safe from bombardment. It also helps that Vader wanted Luke and his crew captured alive. In any case, the Imperials couldn't fly any fighter ships or small cruisers through the shield; instead they had to send in Imperial Walkers via a drop point some distance from the base.

Keep in mind that during this siege, the Imperials had several Star Destroyers and even the Executer floating in orbit, and still there were escapees (Though not very many). It was a loss for the Rebels, but it hindered the Imperials more than a little bit.

So consider all aspects of the battle, from ground troops, artillery support, fortifications and naval support.

... and on second thought, if we implement that, we have to add a whole new dimension to the game in the form of naval ships. Damn. Me and my big mouth.

We'll jsut say everyone has defebses against aircraft and you have to land outside the base.



On the point of shields, if those 500 clones did have shields than they would be incredibly small. The Rebel base on Hoth was a major base, while 500 clones wouldn't be important enough to hae a shield anywhere near the calibre of Hoth's shield.

Originally posted by Dark Nemesis
I agree, FIshy. Also, consider certain things:

Planetary shields. Even the rather temporary Rebel base at Hoth was equiped with a shield that created an umbrella over the base. Using a high powered ion cannon, the rebels were able to rip loose on the ships in orbit while being relatively safe from bombardment. It also helps that Vader wanted Luke and his crew captured alive. In any case, the Imperials couldn't fly any fighter ships or small cruisers through the shield; instead they had to send in Imperial Walkers via a drop point some distance from the base.

Keep in mind that during this siege, the Imperials had several Star Destroyers and even the Executer floating in orbit, and still there were escapees (Though not very many). It was a loss for the Rebels, but it hindered the Imperials more than a little bit.

So consider all aspects of the battle, from ground troops, artillery support, fortifications and naval support.

... and on second thought, if we implement that, we have to add a whole new dimension to the game in the form of naval ships. Damn. Me and my big mouth.

Well skip the fleet battles then... There is to much to worry about if we do that. But some info about the base and everything would help a lot..