Demonic Possession, A Realy Possibility?
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Fallen Jedi
okay, guys, what do you think? a real possibility or an old superstition of a darker, more primitive time?
debbiejo
Yeah, I think is more in your mind, or mental disorder...
Snoopbert
Anything is possible.
finti
not that the Cubs will win the world series
Echuu
Originally posted by finti
not that the Cubs will win the world series
finti does have a point there...
I believe that demonic possession happens though.
botankus
Originally posted by finti
not that the Cubs will win the world series
While we're on the subject of the Cubs and demonic possession...
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Grand Moff Gav
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
okay, guys, what do you think? a real possibility or an old superstition of a darker, more primitive time?
well there are no demons so problem solved.
FeceMan
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
okay, guys, what do you think? a real possibility or an old superstition of a darker, more primitive time?
I assume The Exorcism of Emily Rose has sparked your interest. Real for the win (or, more appropriately, lose).
KharmaDog
Originally posted by botankus
While we're on the subject of the Cubs and demonic possession...
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hysterical
botankus
I always felt a sudden breeze whenever Harry's voice would infiltrate my living room.
KharmaDog
Originally posted by FeceMan
I assume The Exorcism of Emily Rose has sparked your interest. Real for the win (or, more appropriately, lose).
That story is taken from the accounts of the life of Anneliese Michel. It's a sad story about a set of parents and priests, who instead of seeking medical help for their child, let her starve to death because they believed she was possessed.
FeceMan
Originally posted by KharmaDog
That story is taken from the accounts of the life of Anneliese Michel. It's a sad story about a set of parents and priests, who instead of seeking medical help for their child, let her starve to death because they believed she was possessed.
I wasn't at all considering the movie when making my statement. I just assumed that it was what moved the OP to make this thread.
PVS
Originally posted by finti
a trick of the mind
yup
BackFire
Nah, it's bullshit.
debbiejo
I WAS IN CHICAGO....When something big happened with sports...backed up all the traffic........
WindDancer
The Cubs are cursed not Possess...
As for the topic on hand....Human behavior can be bizzare and unexplainable sometimes.
Rogue Jedi
i am a realist. if i can see it and touch it, it is real. if i cant see it or touch it, it doesnt exist. god is the one exception to this rule.
finti
so for us European that has a Halloween premier of that film doesnt need to see it now since we kind of know the ending
and your IQ how does that fit into this then
and what about time
debbiejo
Originally posted by KharmaDog
That story is taken from the accounts of the life of Anneliese Michel. It's a sad story about a set of parents and priests, who instead of seeking medical help for their child, let her starve to death because they believed she was possessed.
The "Exorcist"...was also taken from a supposedly true story, but it was about a boy...and of course tweaked.....I saw it, but read the book first, and watched a program on the little special effects it had...so it didn't scare me...
inthesilence
It's quite possible, I think. There has always been the idea that there is more to life than we currently know. There are instances of the unexplained. We either choose to believe these things, or not. Some people investigate them to get to the truth, whatever that may be.
In the case of demonic possessions, it's often difficult for people to say either way, because to say one way or the other would mean affirming a certain belief that the person maay not have. For example, if one says yes, it may be assumed that since this person believes in demons, they believe in the devil, and therefore believe in God. And it goes both ways.
There is the possibility, though, that demons exist seperately from the realm of religion and Christianity, and are beings unto themselves. In which case they would still technically be demons, but the fundamental idea might change. And if this is true, one could hypothesize that since there are evil entities, there must also be good ones. Of course, this goes on the theory that the world must maintain balance in order to keep going.
But, I think I may have strayed a bit off topic. ^_^;; I tend to do that at times.
The point is that most of it is subjective. If you're asking people's opinions, you're going to get various answers, but ones that one might expect coming into it. However, if you go out and do research, and investigate with the intention of disproving it (the idea being that if you go into it trying to disprove, and then CAN'T, you're more likely to be credible), then you might find something extraordinary.
/useless rant. ^_^;;
Shakyamunison
No, there are no demons like what the movies show. Demons are things that cause illness, that can not be seen, like bacteria.
inthesilence
What religion do you associate yourself with, Shakyamunison?
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by inthesilence
What religion do you associate yourself with, Shakyamunison?
I am a Buddhist.
In Buddhism, there are references to demons and devils. However, I am talking about what I think. I have looked at a lot of references to demons, devils, and angels, and have come to a conclusion that these people of the past knew that something was going on, but couldn't see it. I think they maid these terms to describe what was going on.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am a Buddhist.
In Buddhism, there are references to demons and devils. However, I am talking about what I think. I have looked at a lot of references to demons, devils, and angels, and have come to a conclusion that these people of the past knew that something was going on, but couldn't see it. I think they maid these terms to describe what was going on.
Sounds reasonable enough. But, what I was saying in my first post in this thread was exactly what you have just demonstrated. One can never really say one way or the other if demonic possession is true. I don't really know your full opinion (about demonic possession), so I can't really talk about you specifically as pertaining to the possibility of possession.
What I'm saying is that there's always the possibility of there being something more to it. There's the possibility that demons are in fact tangible beings, but they are in another plane of existence, and therefore we cannot see them. However, they could be powerful enough to transcend that barrier keeping them from our world, in which we would get all the unexplainable things that have happened to people.
I'm not trying to trash anybodies beliefs or anything, I'm only saying that the possibilities are endless.
You probably weren't planning on debating with me, or whatever. So sorry if I offend, or anything. I just get so few intelligent debate partners these days. XD
Red Superfly
It's a load of rubbish.
debbiejo
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, there are no demons like what the movies show. Demons are things that cause illness, that can not be seen, like bacteria.
I've heard that people that go though sickness sometimes have some kind of entity sucking their life energy out of them....
paperbag1
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by inthesilence
Sounds reasonable enough. But, what I was saying in my first post in this thread was exactly what you have just demonstrated. One can never really say one way or the other if demonic possession is true. I don't really know your full opinion (about demonic possession), so I can't really talk about you specifically as pertaining to the possibility of possession.
What I'm saying is that there's always the possibility of there being something more to it. There's the possibility that demons are in fact tangible beings, but they are in another plane of existence, and therefore we cannot see them. However, they could be powerful enough to transcend that barrier keeping them from our world, in which we would get all the unexplainable things that have happened to people.
I'm not trying to trash anybodies beliefs or anything, I'm only saying that the possibilities are endless.
You probably weren't planning on debating with me, or whatever. So sorry if I offend, or anything. I just get so few intelligent debate partners these days. XD
I am not offended.
I wish to ask you a question.
What do I have in my hand?
The possibilities are endless, but I only have one thing in my hand, and you don't know what it is.
This is true for reality, the possibilities are endless, but there is only one reality.
If you get an infection, you are possessed by demons. So, you take angels to kill the demons.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not offended.
I wish to ask you a question.
What do I have in my hand?
The possibilities are endless, but I only have one thing in my hand, and you don't know what it is.
This is true for reality, the possibilities are endless, but there is only one reality.
If you get an infection, you are possessed by demons. So, you take angels to kill the demons.
Again, one interperetation. I see an infection I say bacteria caused it. You need medicine to cure it. Basically saying the same thing, only in different ways, and with different beliefs behind them.
Also, can you be sure there IS only one reality. There may be several that we just aren't aware of yet. The concept of reality and unreality ultimately limit what cannot be limited. If there ARE other realities, then the possibilites truly ARE endless.
Let me ask you a question:
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by inthesilence
Again, one interperetation. I see an infection I say bacteria caused it. You need medicine to cure it. Basically saying the same thing, only in different ways, and with different beliefs behind them.
Also, can you be sure there IS only one reality. There may be several that we just aren't aware of yet. The concept of reality and unreality ultimately limit what cannot be limited. If there ARE other realities, then the possibilites truly ARE endless.
Let me ask you a question:
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
I know this one, nothingness.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know this one, nothingness.
And so is the nature of Buddhism.
But someone else might answer: The sound of one hand clapping is the sound of a slap in the face. XD
Many different people, many different possibilities.
With the idea of nothingness comes the idea of something. How many somethings is the question. ^_~
Dunno if that made much sense... Who knows, I may just be rambling. It made sense to me though. ^_^;;
Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wish to ask you a question.
What do I have in my hand?
Do you use your right hand, or your left hand for that?
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Hey! This forum is PG rated.
But you are not
and how did you know
Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you are not
and how did you know
Damn, you're took quick for me! I edited it not more than 2 seconds after I posted.
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Damn, you're took quick for me! I edited it not more than 2 seconds after I posted.
I know that's something I need to talk to the doctor about.
Spelljammer
SpellJammer knows the true story of Emily Rose, it's not as scary as you might think..
The film The Exorcism of Emily Rose is loosely based on a case which occurred in Germany between 1968 and 1976.
Anneliese Michel was a devout 15-year-old when she began experiencing brief uncontrollable fits of shaking. By 1970 she reported seeing flashes of demonic images especially while she was praying.
In 1973, the same year William Friedkin's The Exorcist was first released, her parents asked for an exorcism which was denied.
The film reached Germany in 1974 at the same time Anneliese's condition worsened to the point the bishop finally sanctioned an exorcism. The girl underwent a ritual each week from Sept. 1975 until June 1976 and died during the exorcism on June 30, 1976.
Within months, state prosecutors began building a case of negligent homicide against the priests who performed the exorcisms and members of Anneliese's family.
The case went to trial two years later, with all parties involved found guilty but granted leniency.
Though the Catholic Church has officially decreed the girl was not possessed, hundreds of people from around the world yearly make pilgrimages to her grave.
On Feb. 17 of this year, the Vatican under Pope John Paul II's guidance issued a new text for church-sanctioned exorcisms.
Called Exorcism for the New Millennium, it is the first update of the Catholic Church's stance on demonic possession since 1614.
The Vatican also enrolled 100 priests from around the world in classes on Satanism, demonic possession and exorcism.
Pope John Paul personally performed at least three exorcisms during his papacy and was a firm believer in demonic possession.
In 2000 John Paul had lashed out at "the sensationalism, theatricality and hysteria surrounding exorcisms particularly in Latin America and Africa" and called for the reforms that resulted in the new text.
Before a bishop can sanction an exorcism, doctors and psychiatrists must agree there could be something beyond a medical condition.
Alpha Centauri
If you COULD choose to be demonically possessed, would you?
Think about it.
-AC
inthesilence
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you COULD choose to be demonically possessed, would you?
Think about it.
-AC
Um, no.
I imagine it's not the most fun thing on the planet. It probably pretty much sucks. So.... yeah, definitely not with the demonic possession.
Spelljammer
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you COULD choose to be demonically possessed, would you?
Think about it.
-AC
SpellJammer practices very liberal, dangerous witchcraft because it's easier. He's become "almost" possed several times..
Sometimes he can't breathe, he's blue in the face as he has to grasp for air and recollect his thoughts.
Other times he falls into an unwakable sleep, and if he tries to wakeup he gos into convulsions and his eyes roll in the back of his head. People have seen this one happen to him..
Also witnesses have seen SpellJammer have restless nights where he's shaking violantly and his body tempature drops dramaticaly. But then when he wakes up he's fine. And SpellJammer just proclaims "there was an argument."
debbiejo
Spelljammer is scaring debbiejo......
And to answer the question...NO....got enough already...There called thoughts....
inthesilence
SpellJammer needs to stop talking about himself in the third person. He also needs to follow these instructions:
1. grasp own head
2 remove from anus
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by inthesilence
SpellJammer needs to stop talking about himself in the third person. He also needs to follow these instructions:
1. grasp own head
2 remove from anus
I have a photo of that, but I don't think I can post it. I don't want to get in trouble.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have a photo of that, but I don't think I can post it. I don't want to get in trouble.
That's too bad, 'cause it might help him to understand. XD *is mean*
Spelljammer
Originally posted by debbiejo
Spelljammer is scaring debbiejo......
Why would you get scared? Posession isn't THAT scary, WOOOoooH! You lose control over your body! It's pretty much like grand theft auto if you think about it..
And what's the worse thing that can happen? You die? Pthffft..
You'll find evil is only as scary as you let it be, how do you think SpellJammer fealt when he was told by God the soul could die? Now try to grasp your head around this because he knows it's difficult..
You're a being of energy and mind..
But somehow, (Though extremely difficult) you can lose your mind. (Litteraly..)
Thus, you go back to the quantamn field. Plants and un-thinking cells reside on this field. Wether or not they were once "living" beings or if that was just thier place is anybody's guess, once you go to the quantamn field, there is no turning back.
So the worse thing that can happen to you is you lose your sense of self, which is pretty much what we fear here on Earth, and yet somehow we deal with it when death knocks on our door or we see people die infront of us. Why? Because nobody likes a whiner. Simple as that.
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Why would you get scared? Posession isn't THAT scary, WOOOoooH! You lose control over your body! It's pretty much like grand theft auto if you think about it..
And what's the worse thing that can happen? You die? Pthffft..
You'll find evil is only as scary as you let it be, how do you think SpellJammer fealt when he was told by God the soul could die? Now try to grasp your head around this because he knows it's difficult..
You're a being of energy and mind..
But somehow, (Though extremely difficult) you can lose your mind. (Litteraly..)
Thus, you go back to the quantamn field. Plants and un-thinking cells reside on this field. Wether or not they were once "living" beings or if that was just thier place is anybody's guess, once you go to the quantamn field, there is no turning back.
So the worse thing that can happen to you is you lose your sense of self, which is pretty much what we fear here on Earth, and yet somehow we deal with it when death knocks on our door or we see people die infront of us. Why? Because nobody likes a whiner. Simple as that.
Interesting name for it, quantamn field. What it really is, is the nothingness and our entities.
Alpha Centauri
If you were guaranteed that you'd return to normal, surely you'd wanna see what it's like, what you act like etc. Or maybe it's just me.
I'd do it.
-AC
debbiejo
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Interesting name for it, quantamn field. What it really is, is the nothingness and our entities.
NO...not nothingness again.....
And interesting spelljammer....yes..
long pig
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
okay, guys, what do you think? a real possibility or an old superstition of a darker, more primitive time?
no
Curl_Up&Dye
there are a lot of things surrounding demonic possession that are really all subject to theory....really nothing can be proven
personally i dont really associate myself with any specific religion, i pick and choose what i believe in.
however, i do think that we co-exist with both good and bad entities. Although they are on a separate plane of existance, one that we cant often times see and never touch.
I believe that we always have someone watching over us, not necessarily angels, as some religions believe, but good entities, maybe those of deceased loved ones, etc.
But in playing with fire, you always get burned. I stay away from ouijja boards and evp, among other things.
We are not meant to communicate with the other side, and in attempting to do so we open up what i normally explain to people, metaphorically speaking, as a doorway. When you open the door, you dont know what youre letting into your home, and often times its both good and bad entities. Another way of looking at it, is having an open window without a screen. Theres nothing to keep bugs out, so whatever happens to be flying around the neighborhood comes in and makes itself at home.
I did grow up in a haunted house, so I can tell you from first hand experience, when a bad or angry entity is in your house, you KNOW, and its not something to be taken lightly. However we did also have peaceful and mischevious entities, which you could often see just out of the corner of your eye, they most often took the form of children. You could sometimes hear them laughing and hear their footsteps running around on the upstairs floor. They'd sometimes move things, harmless stuff. But our bad/angry entities would wake me up in the middle of the night with the sound of yelling outside my door, and my bed shaking. Once a rack of knives we had on a storage shelf for no reason at all flew out, and at my mother, who at the time happened to be walking by.
Anyways, i'm not sure how i feel about demonic possession, since most records of incidents took place before information on mental illnesses was available. I'm sure many 'possessed' people werent actually possessed, but in all actuality could have been schitzophrenic or have tourettes. There really is no credible documentation on possession that could prove or disprove the idea.
Spelljammer
I've said about all the crap that happens to me, and I still do white noise..
Which by the way, don't do with headphones, hurts like a mother..
FeceMan
I pretty much believe the same thing...except the part about benevolent entities.
BlackC@t
Originally posted by BackFire
Nah, it's bullshit.
Before I entered this thread I knew you would have already come in here and said something like that
BlackC@t
EVPs are not dangerous!
With EVPs you are communicating with something that is already there! Only Ouija Boards are dangerous because you're talking to something that is not there and opening up a door way for it to enter.
Dont listen to White Noise, even though it was a good movie it's pure BS.
BlackC@t
Not all spirits are evil! There are a lot of benevolent spirits out there.
They're just the spirits of the deceased, how could they possibly be evil?
Whoever told you that ghosts are evil is giving you bulshit, stop feeding off of it!
I can handle people saying they don't believe in ghosts, but I will not handle sombody calling ghosts evil.
Spelljammer
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Not all spirits are evil! There are a lot of benevolent spirits out there.
They're just the spirits of the deceased, how could they possibly be evil?
Umm, hate to break it to you, but there are ALOT of assholes..
Immagine how stuck on themselves and pompus people are now. Now try to grasp them no longer being bound to this plain. Always thinking selfishly about this they didn't do, or that they could've done, spirits can be just as whiney, stupid, and selfish as any mere mortal. If not moreso..
Which is probably why when I dreamnt about them I was 9 out of 10 times having some sortof tiff.. Even with the dead SpellJammer doesn't put up with bullshit..
Raven Guardia
Okay I didnt read all of this, but to anyone who thinks demonic possession is fake or is not real : YOU ARE SO SHITTING YOURSELVES!. I am involved in a Paranormal research team. Our leader is a Demonologist, last hunt we were on at Mansfield University our Psychic was trying to make contact with the spirit of Mrs.Stentmen the lady who use to be the dean of music there before she died. While trying to contact her 5 brute (lowest level demon) demons slipped in. (This can happen, Demons exist on another plane but can come through to ours through portals/vortex's and things like QuQi(sp?) board and seances) Now I know you all will think I am nuts but its true. And if any of you believe in God then you know the devil is real too and so are demons. as the movie quote says "Demons exist whether you believe in them or not".
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by BlackC@t
EVPs are not dangerous!
With EVPs you are communicating with something that is already there! Only Ouija Boards are dangerous because you're talking to something that is not there and opening up a door way for it to enter.
Dont listen to White Noise, even though it was a good movie it's pure BS.
what BlackCat is saying is true! I took classes from people who have been working in the paranormal for 18 years. EVP's are a helpful way of communicating with spirits and entities. Tarot,Quji,Seances and welcoming demons will cause Possessions. Ghost however are harmless, they can not hurt you. Only if they were aggressive in life will they be aggressive in death. They carry their personality over. Demons, and Poltergeist (which is actually PK caused by people mostly teen girls) will harm you. But a typical haunting wont.
bardock
i have no idea what it could be, but why would the devil care about some random dude who works at wal-mart would 'nt he want to take over someone important like dick cheney...oh wait he did.
Fallen Jedi
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Okay I didnt read all of this, but to anyone who thinks demonic possession is fake or is not real : YOU ARE SO SHITTING YOURSELVES!. I am involved in a Paranormal research team. Our leader is a Demonologist, last hunt we were on at Mansfield University our Psychic was trying to make contact with the spirit of Mrs.Stentmen the lady who use to be the dean of music there before she died. While trying to contact her 5 brute (lowest level demon) demons slipped in. (This can happen, Demons exist on another plane but can come through to ours through portals/vortex's and things like QuQi(sp?) board and seances) Now I know you all will think I am nuts but its true. And if any of you believe in God then you know the devil is real too and so are demons. as the movie quote says "Demons exist whether you believe in them or not". i consider myself a pretty open minded person and i like to believe that most things are possible, but some of this i find hard to believe. i'm not ruling it out or anything, but different level demons?
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by bardock
i have no idea what it could be, but why would the devil care about some random dude who works at wal-mart would 'nt he want to take over someone important like dick cheney...oh wait he did.
because, he doesnt necessarily take over anyone. But people who play with it like Tarot,Quji and seances, its opening a can of worms you don't want to open. Secondly the devil wants to take or control all the lives of those who worship God and Jesus Christ. thats why he picks at you and tries getting people down. Did you ever read about Job in the bible? God told the Devil he could do what he wanted to Job just not kill him. Job lost everything dear to him, but through it all he grew closer to God. Many people now days however see it as God punishing you or hurting you when in fact its only God testing you and your faith to him. The Devil is real and so are other Demonic beings (there are 3 levels of demons Brutes, Intellectuals and Devils) also 3 am is the hour when Paranormal activity becomes more active. Point is 3 is mocking the holy Trinity. Demons are real, and so is Jesus Christ.
bardock
if a demon came to my hood his ass would get robbed and he'd be turning tricks before the night was through
Spelljammer
Raven, you say you're a demon expert?
What kind is one that appears, how can I describe this..
Like Gollum but perhaps more brown tint?
I mean I fealt really bad for this thing, I didn't even think it was a demon, it was deffinitly more scared of me then I was of it, and I'm like "dude, relax!" he kept referring to me as Lucifer.. : \
I also see alot of people who don't look quite human if that makes sense. The skin colour, thier hair, it's not like people-people colours, and they move like on a differant time format.. (Not like in the movies though, probably slower..)
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by bardock
if a demon came to my hood his ass would get robbed and he'd be turning tricks before the night was through
stop making fun, its not a joke. The guy from the new york chapter of Paranormal (I live in PA and a Member of the Central Paranormal team) well he works with demons he once told one this "I Hope Jesus Christ kicks your ass" well you know what happened? he was thrown into a wall. Don't be so ignorant.
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Raven, you say you're a demon expert?
What kind is one that appears, how can I describe this..
Like Gollum but perhaps more brown tint?
I mean I fealt really bad for this thing, I didn't even think it was a demon, it was deffinitly more scared of me then I was of it, and I'm like "dude, relax!" he kept referring to me as Lucifer.. : \
I also see alot of people who don't look quite human if that makes sense. The skin colour, thier hair, it's not like people-people colours, and they move like on a differant time format.. (Not like in the movies though, probably slower..)
well I wouldn't say I am an expert, but that sounds like a Intellectual. They have wisdom of the ages. and they are a mid level demon. They are pretty strong and dang smart. They are good at tricking people and appearing in different ways. One time on a investigation a Brute appeared as black, wings and claws........also there are such things as Shadow People. I Don't fully understand the theory fully, but they seem to be awear of us at times and sometimes scared of us. They are usually brought in or drawled in my a reg Ghost. But they appear to just look like a human only a shadow.
bardock
dude i believe in god and i am a christian dont be so anal its just a little fun. i have seen people speak in tongues before. i dont really know if it is the devil or if it is mental illness. it could possible be both.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by bardock
dude i believe in god and i am a christian dont be so anal its just a little fun. i have seen people speak in tongues before. i dont really know if it is the devil or if it is mental illness. it could possible be both.
I am not being anal, and I am sorry if I offened you. I am just saying I dont think its good to make fun of such things.
bardock
i see. sorry if i made you mad
Darth Jello
if by possession you mean infestation and by demon you mean giardia, then yes, it's really possible.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
stop making fun, its not a joke. The guy from the new york chapter of Paranormal (I live in PA and a Member of the Central Paranormal team) well he works with demons he once told one this "I Hope Jesus Christ kicks your ass" well you know what happened? he was thrown into a wall. Don't be so ignorant.
well I wouldn't say I am an expert, but that sounds like a Intellectual. They have wisdom of the ages. and they are a mid level demon. They are pretty strong and dang smart. They are good at tricking people and appearing in different ways. One time on a investigation a Brute appeared as black, wings and claws........also there are such things as Shadow People. I Don't fully understand the theory fully, but they seem to be awear of us at times and sometimes scared of us. They are usually brought in or drawled in my a reg Ghost. But they appear to just look like a human only a shadow.
Well, since you're in a paranormal team, maybe you should drop by the TAPS website. Come on around to the forums, and talk to people about your theories. It might be very educational for you.
By the way, it does nobody in the Paranormal Research field any good to have people sounding like they're crazy and then saying, 'I'm a paranormal researcher, so I know'. Hell, not even most paranormal researchers know. Different levels of demons? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm not going around telling anybody who will listen that they do, either. You want me to believe? You want most people on the planet to believe? Get me irrefutable proof. I'm talking pictures or video of actual apparitions. Get me EVPs to go along with it.
That's not to say I don't believe in ghosts; I do. But, honestly, the idea of different levels of demons sounds utterly ridiculous to me. I've heard of the three types of hauntings, but come on. Like I said, get me irrefutable proof, and maybe I'll believe you.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by inthesilence
Well, since you're in a paranormal team, maybe you should drop by the TAPS website. Come on around to the forums, and talk to people about your theories. It might be very educational for you.
By the way, it does nobody in the Paranormal Research field any good to have people sounding like they're crazy and then saying, 'I'm a paranormal researcher, so I know'. Hell, not even most paranormal researchers know. Different levels of demons? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm not going around telling anybody who will listen that they do, either. You want me to believe? You want most people on the planet to believe? Get me irrefutable proof. I'm talking pictures or video of actual apparitions. Get me EVPs to go along with it.
That's not to say I don't believe in ghosts; I do. But, honestly, the idea of different levels of demons sounds utterly ridiculous to me. I've heard of the three types of hauntings, but come on. Like I said, get me irrefutable proof, and maybe I'll believe you.
I am not going to argue with you. To let you know I am a member of the taps forum I go by Dark_Raven. I watch taps and bull crap. all they do is fight and argue. Secondly I am not going to get you any EVPs with demonic voices because I am not about to enter a demonic investigation on purpose. Entering it on purpose its stupid unless you are a demonologist, however the demons I encounter slipped through when our psychic was trying to make contact. If you think levels of demons is ridiculous thats your opinion but they are real, and there are different levels whether you believe me or not.
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No its okay you didnt make me made, I just get worried when people dont seem to take it serious because its nothing to be played with. I dont want anyone getting into things they shouldnt with out knowing what can happpen.
Raven Guardia
here a website that might be useful it explains demons and their levels of power along with othe Paranormal. http://www.geocities.com/ladyleena69/GhostHunting.html
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
here a website that might be useful it explains demons and their levels of power along with othe Paranormal. http://www.geocities.com/ladyleena69/GhostHunting.html
Do you really believe in ghosts?
I find it strange that a person would believe in such things.
I believe that the entities of people who die only experience life and never know death. So a ghost is just a figment of the imagination.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
i consider myself a pretty open minded person and i like to believe that most things are possible, but some of this i find hard to believe. i'm not ruling it out or anything, but different level demons?
(first off sorry about double and triple posting didn't see this till now)
Yes, I am serious there are different levels of demons. I don't understand why you people don't believe me. If you want proof I will give the email address you can contact our Demonlogist and ask him. He had been working with this for 18 years, he got training from the Catholic Church and he knows what he is talking about.
Now just to back up my opinion I will share with you all what I learnt in classes. Here is what is in my notes.
Demonology 101
Foreword is forearmed
*Demons are smart and strong.
*Demon is Latin for "Unclean"
1) They are liars
2) Intelligence of the ages
3)Very Dangerous.
Law of Invitation --> Incantations,Seances,Quij boards etc
Law of Attraction --> Like attracts like
Signs of Demonic infestation
1)Psychic hours are between 9pm and 6am, activity will peak at 3am (mocking the holy Trinity)
2)Activity will be in threes (ex. a chair will move out from under the table,turn side ways, shoot across the room. 1) the chair moves 2) it turns 3) it moves across the room)
3) foul odors
4) black manifestation
5) unnatural occurrence (glass falls and doesn't brake)
6) No Documentation
Provocation: Slamming doors, etc
Demonology II
Demons are resentful and jealous of human kind, they will psychologically brake the human, harm it and kill it.
Predisposition:
Attraction - Person/Location
Accident- opening portal
Conjuring- recklessly/neg
Psychological imbalance - Psychosis or hostility
1) infestation --> invited in, initial entry (prior tent,provoke, people in home with neg energy )
2) Oppression --> all stops are pulled
3) possession --> takes over body and eventually kills
Levels
1) Brutes- lowest level. They are like foot soldiers, least intelligent, easily detected
2) Intellectuals- mid-level. Use emotions and intelligence, they are shrewed and are more difficult to detect.
3) Devils- high level normally not involved. they assist low and mid level demons if they can not brake the person down. They can desecrate holy items, apport, levitate 300lbs or more and burst into flames.
Personal Demons
1) attach themselves to a person
2) will drive you into deep depression
3) will usually attach to a child 3-4 years old
4)will come and go they will check on a person every 2-3 years
5)Knows everything about victim
6)will steer victims path to self destruction
Incubus and Succubus
Incubus
Demon Lover (male)
1) Feeds on lust
2)Takes on appearance of husband,boyfriend,neighbor etc.
3) Will have sex with the female while she is sleeping
4)When it appears everyone in the home will enter a Psycho sleep, only victim will be aware of what is going on.
5) Nasty lover, very cold, extremely large parts.
Succubus
Demon lover (female)
1) Feeds on lust
2)Will appear as wife, girlfriend, etc
3)After sex sometimes the male will have a green slime on him.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you really believe in ghosts?
I find it strange that a person would believe in such things.
I believe that the entities of people who die only experience life and never know death. So a ghost is just a figment of the imagination.
yes I do believe in them. I have EVP's pictures to prove ghost are real.
But I respect your opinion.
Deano
i believe ghosts are just beings from another dimension. they are not dead, just living on a different frequency
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
yes I do believe in them. I have EVP's pictures to prove ghost are real.
But I respect your opinion.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
EVP pictures are not extraordinary proof.
You may believe in ghosts, and that is your right, but unless you have extraordinary proof you can not say that they are a fact.
I believe in entities, but I can not prove that they exist, so I alway state that I believe in them.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
EVP pictures are not extraordinary proof.
You may believe in ghosts, and that is your right, but unless you have extraordinary proof you can not say that they are a fact.
I believe in entities, but I can not prove that they exist, so I alway state that I believe in them.
I believe in entities too, and I can see why EVPs are not extraordinary proof. But sometimes proof can not always be given, sometimes one must just trust their instincts and feelings. I am a sensitive, I can sense and feel and when entities and ghost/spirits are around. Most people can some way or another. But I do understand, it is very hard to give extraordinary proof of such things.
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I believe in entities too, and I can see why EVPs are not extraordinary proof. But sometimes proof can not always be given, sometimes one must just trust their instincts and feelings. I am a sensitive, I can sense and feel and when entities and ghost/spirits are around. Most people can some way or another. But I do understand, it is very hard to give extraordinary proof of such things.
Thank you.
I was not trying to give you a bad time, and I'm glad you didn't take me wrong. What I was trying to do was find common ground on this issue.
I have a completely different understanding of what an entity may be. My idea is more eastern, were as what you have stated is more western. I am a Buddhist, and I believe that an entity is a living being (a person). I am talking to an entity right now. This definition of an entity can be proven, however, I believe that each of us extend into the other dimensions that are difficult to understand (I call this the nothingness). In the nothingness we are joined as one living being (all humans). If you imagine the entity as a rose bush, we are the roses on the bush. Some are just blooming, some are in the prime of their lives, while others are dyeing and falling away. A dead person is disconnected from their entity and is dead. In my belief, there is only the body, the mind, and the Buddha. The body is this physical machine, the mind is the awareness of self and the Buddha is the entity. There must be all three or there is death. A mind (ghost) can not exist without the body and Buddha (entity).
Spelljammer
Sounds like the Christian dogma of anything seperate from God is ultimate death. I believe that. When I say God I mean the ultimate force.
But then, what are Buddhists trying to acheive? Are you trying to acheive happyness like say, an orgasm? Or are you trying to acheive a seperation of a "me" like say, a plant?
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you.
I was not trying to give you a bad time, and I'm glad you didn't take me wrong. What I was trying to do was find common ground on this issue.
I have a completely different understanding of what an entity may be. My idea is more eastern, were as what you have stated is more western. I am a Buddhist, and I believe that an entity is a living being (a person). I am talking to an entity right now. This definition of an entity can be proven, however, I believe that each of us extend into the other dimensions that are difficult to understand (I call this the nothingness). In the nothingness we are joined as one living being (all humans). If you imagine the entity as a rose bush, we are the roses on the bush. Some are just blooming, some are in the prime of their lives, while others are dyeing and falling away. A dead person is disconnected from their entity and is dead. In my belief, there is only the body, the mind, and the Buddha. The body is this physical machine, the mind is the awareness of self and the Buddha is the entity. There must be all three or there is death. A mind (ghost) can not exist without the body and Buddha (entity).
Thats interesting, its kind of similar to my thought but a bit different. To me a Ghost, is the spirit that remains behind when the body dies, i didn't move onto heaven or life after death. An entity to me is a being that exists, but its hard for to explain how, like I don't really know how to explain it in words.
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Sounds like the Christian dogma of anything seperate from God is ultimate death. I believe that. When I say God I mean the ultimate force.
But then, what are Buddhists trying to acheive? Are you trying to acheive happyness like say, an orgasm? Or are you trying to acheive a seperation of a "me" like say, a plant?
Interesting question, but I don't know how to answer you. Please give me more information about your question. It maybe simple, but I see more than one way to interpret your question.
Spelljammer
Okay, in my Buddhism for dummies book, it says Buddhists try to achieve a seperation from self to become blissful creatures. Now.. they may just mean to be unselfish, but there's so much around this "seperation of self" i'm thinking it's more like trying to become a plant and be a collective rather then a single entity who just happens to be really mellow..
Also the nirvanna aspect. So I'm assuming once you become a collective, it's feels really really good, like an orgasm.
We all knew weed could make you horny and happy..
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Thats interesting, its kind of similar to my thought but a bit different. To me a Ghost, is the spirit that remains behind when the body dies, i didn't move onto heaven or life after death. An entity to me is a being that exists, but its hard for to explain how, like I don't really know how to explain it in words.
One big difference is the concept of the soul. I do not believe in a soul as an independent vehicle. To me the soul is a connection to the entity, body and mind. If one of these dies; the connection (soul) is no more.
My belief in heaven and hell is also different, I believe that heaven and hell are life states that we experience along with 8 other world, from moment to moment. There is no heaven that you go to after death, in my belief. We are the incantation of the entity. When we die, we die. The entity is eternal, and through this entity are reborn as a new person. The time between life and death is not linear.
Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Okay, in my Buddhism for dummies book, it says Buddhists try to achieve a seperation from self to become blissful creatures. Now.. they may just mean to be unselfish, but there's so much around this "seperation of self" i'm thinking it's more like trying to become a plant and be a collective rather then a single entity who just happens to be really mellow..
Also the nirvanna aspect. So I'm assuming once you become a collective, it's feels really really good, like an orgasm.
We all knew weed could make you horny and happy..
That is a different type of Buddhism. It is like trying to talk about a Catholic idea to a Mormon. We take the attachments of life and turn poison into medicine through Nam-myho-rege-kyo.
http://members.freezone.co.uk/sunspark/nmhrk/whatis.htm
Spelljammer
Now I remember the worlds! I always reffered to it as the karma wheel..
Devils.
Hungery ghosts.
Animals.
Humans.
Anti-Gods.
Gods.
It makes sense for the karma wheel to exsist, the whole battle between Satan and God would be more obvious if the karma wheel was a reality, the definition of hungery ghost applies alot to the hauntings we encounter here on Earth, and some ghosts even seem to be victimized by a stronger entity who doesn't even concern itself with us or if it does it's a very rare and very dangerous circumstance.
But then ofcourse I say all these beings and more exsist and always have. They just reside on a differant energy frequincy. There's 18 some space dimensions and 4 time dimensions.. Ofcourse demons and angels and all that good stuff exsists.. We're just in no place to notice. Litteraly.
In my dream of talking to God, he gave me instructions on how to harness the powers of the quantamn field more easily. He also hinted of The Necromonicom, which once I started reading into it sounded alot like what He had told me. And I mean the REAL Necromonicom, not that fake paperback you can buy at a bookstore.. Though even the fake one might hold some power, because it meations powerful spirits, but the real one is infact more like a Book of Revelations from a differant perspective. And I know it resides somewhere in the Middle-East. If I had money, I'd tomb raider for that thing.. but then I'd have to do a radical spell to make myself a millionare, and who KNOWS the ramifications for that peice of work.. So I'll just wait for oppurtunity..
Ofcourse when I meationed all this at another forum everybody freaked. Even the meationing of the book of dead names itself broke a chill down people's spines. Jesus people, growup..
Spelljammer
I think it's kindof silly how in the end, all religons hold the same distorted princable. Your suffering will end, happyness will be forever.
And that is the ultimate wrong. Your suffering never ends, it just comes and gos like the wind, so too does happyness. Both are just influental energies residing over one another changing the atmosphere of life and unlife, all things in this universe swurve around eachother creating a magnificent peice of art. But to think that you will ever be free from the hell that we ourselves have created by divine mind and intelligent clarification between right and wrong, well that's just plain lunacy..
It's been established that light is the fastest thing in the universe. All matter, all everything, originates from the light. But darkness is there too. It sorrounds us, it shakens us, it's presence is fealt to the ends of the universe. There is no escape.
No matter how fast light travels, only darkness awaits.
That is SpellJammer's philosophy.
DanieLs_4_Ever
Hmm..Demonic Possession seems like a real possibility.
BlackC@t
Just because a ghost manifests itself into a black form does not mean that it's evil.
I know from experience (which I will not speak of on these forums, cause' lets face it, no one will believe me)
Black shadows are not evil.
Just because a spirit may be bad does not mean that it's evil.
If you came across a shop-lifter, they would be bad, but not evil. Same rules apply to ghosts.
If you come across an evil spirit it is usually an energy created from negative energy, not a spirit of the deceased. But yeah, sometimes spirits of the deceased may be evil.
It's VERY rare to come across an evil ghost.
Acherontia
Originally posted by finti
not that the Cubs will win the world series
Hey! It happenED in 2015.
Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by bardock
if a demon came to my hood his ass would get robbed and he'd be turning tricks before the night was through
lol
BlackC@t
I don't think demons are what most of you think they are. They are not related to The Devil, I don't believe in The Devil. Demons are created by negative energy. They are not the spirits of the deceased, nor do they come from Hell.
Rogue Jedi
its all crap to me. show me a possessed person, and i will believe it.
Darthburgerking
I don't think it's real is teems like it's just the church claiming that the person is "possesed" and that they cured her with all this fake excorcism crap. The real deal is that these "possesed" people porbably just have very severe mental problems that should REALLY be treated but the church just makes them worse with all this excorcism stuff. But besides the point the movie "the Excorcist" is still awesome.
Raven Guardia
I really pity all of you who believe demons don't exist. They do. There is a God, There is a Devil. Even says in the Bible about demons. I saw the movie 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' today. To tell you the truth, that movie has a lot of truth to it. Like I stated before, I know about the paranormal and I study it. Demons are real. People with mental disorders are more likely to attract demons and be possessed. Like people with Schizophrenia,Psychosis, Obsessions. I don't care if any of you believe me or not. I am a Christian. In my faith and opinion Jesus Christ is real, and so is the Devil, and other demonic forces. You all need to pick up a book called the bible and read it.
Spelljammer
Originally posted by Darthburgerking
I don't think it's real is teems like it's just the church claiming that the person is "possesed" and that they cured her with all this fake excorcism crap. The real deal is that these "possesed" people porbably just have very severe mental problems that should REALLY be treated but the church just makes them worse with all this excorcism stuff.
What part of my last post about how the church cannot declare someone possessed untill every doctor has given thier acceptance that it is beyond medical science did you not understand?
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its all crap to me. show me a possessed person, and i will believe it.
you people are so thick headed. All demonic Possessions lead to death,if not caught in the early stages. Thats why demons posses people, They are evil entities (for lack of a better word) who where never given a chance at life, they are jealous of human lives and will try and brake down the will of the living and take control. Like I said demonic possession leads to death, Thats your problem if you don't want to believe. I am tired of people not believing in this or acting like people who do are nuts. YOU CANT ALWAYS PROVE EVERYTHING!. Perhaps thats why God leaves somethings unprovable. Its not meant to be proved. You just need to trust your heart and faith in the Lord.
^ note, this reply is not just meant for RJ but for all of you in general who still says it cant happen.
FeceMan
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I really pity all of you who believe demons don't exist. They do. There is a God, There is a Devil. Even says in the Bible about demons. I saw the movie 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' today. To tell you the truth, that movie has a lot of truth to it. Like I stated before, I know about the paranormal and I study it. Demons are real. People with mental disorders are more likely to attract demons and be possessed. Like people with Schizophrenia,Psychosis, Obsessions. I don't care if any of you believe me or not. I am a Christian. In my faith and opinion Jesus Christ is real, and so is the Devil, and other demonic forces. You all need to pick up a book called the bible and read it.
This thread is about to be moved to the Religion Forum.
However, believe it or ignore it as you will, we are all in a war. We are creatures built for war, in our hearts and minds, and we fight one every day. Depending on the one in whom you put your faith, you will either fall in battle or triumph.
DanieLs_4_Ever
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I really pity all of you who believe demons don't exist. They do. There is a God, There is a Devil. Even says in the Bible about demons. I saw the movie 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' today. To tell you the truth, that movie has a lot of truth to it. Like I stated before, I know about the paranormal and I study it. Demons are real. People with mental disorders are more likely to attract demons and be possessed. Like people with Schizophrenia,Psychosis, Obsessions. I don't care if any of you believe me or not. I am a Christian. In my faith and opinion Jesus Christ is real, and so is the Devil, and other demonic forces. You all need to pick up a book called the bible and read it.
Im with you gal.
inthesilence
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
you people are so thick headed. All demonic Possessions lead to death,if not caught in the early stages. Thats why demons posses people, They are evil entities (for lack of a better word) who where never given a chance at life, they are jealous of human lives and will try and brake down the will of the living and take control. Like I said demonic possession leads to death, Thats your problem if you don't want to believe. I am tired of people not believing in this or acting like people who do are nuts. YOU CANT ALWAYS PROVE EVERYTHING!. Perhaps thats why God leaves somethings unprovable. Its not meant to be proved. You just need to trust your heart and faith in the Lord.
^ note, this reply is not just meant for RJ but for all of you in general who still says it cant happen.
Not saying it can't happen, I'm just very skeptical of the whole thing. I have an extremely hard time believing in anything the Bible says simply because it contradicts itself so much. Not only that, but man wrote it, and man (humanity) is not perfect. I'm not saying there's something wrong with not being perfect, it's just the way we are. We are inherently flawed, and, for me at least, therein lies the beauty of life.
I'm not trying to go around attacking anybodies religion, or their beliefs, simply stating what I believe to be true. In the end I may be wrong. Who knows? Who can really say for sure? But I learned early on that I can't live my life in fear of being wrong. I can't be afraid to make those mistakes, because without mistakes we don't really live. Just my personal philosophy. That's me trusting my heart. ^_~
As for what you said, I realise you meant well with your earlier statements about demonic possession, and your statements about God, but you've been rather rude about it in the last few. Just a tip: nobody likes to be talked down to, and honestly, it feels like you're doing that, though you may not be intending to do so. I, personally, don't think you're nuts for believing in what you believe in. You have every right in the world to believe whatever you want. Hell, you could even believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the earth, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's when people act like their religion is the only religion that I get upset. Because it's quite narrow minded to think like that.
If, God forbid, anything happens to me or someone I know, or I somehow come accross evidence from a reliable source that I trust, I'll believe. It's as simple as that. I already believe in many things that I can't see; that's not the issue. The point is that I don't go off on someone when they don't believe in the exact same thing as me. I'd much rather hear what they have to say, and see if I can maybe learn something valuable from it. I'd suggest you do the same; it makes life a lot more interesting.
If you have anything more to say on the subject, and you'd like to say it in a respectful manner, I'm all ears.
BlackC@t
Demons exist, The Devil does not.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by inthesilence
Not saying it can't happen, I'm just very skeptical of the whole thing. I have an extremely hard time believing in anything the Bible says simply because it contradicts itself so much. Not only that, but man wrote it, and man (humanity) is not perfect. I'm not saying there's something wrong with not being perfect, it's just the way we are. We are inherently flawed, and, for me at least, therein lies the beauty of life.
I'm not trying to go around attacking anybodies religion, or their beliefs, simply stating what I believe to be true. In the end I may be wrong. Who knows? Who can really say for sure? But I learned early on that I can't live my life in fear of being wrong. I can't be afraid to make those mistakes, because without mistakes we don't really live. Just my personal philosophy. That's me trusting my heart. ^_~
As for what you said, I realise you meant well with your earlier statements about demonic possession, and your statements about God, but you've been rather rude about it in the last few. Just a tip: nobody likes to be talked down to, and honestly, it feels like you're doing that, though you may not be intending to do so. I, personally, don't think you're nuts for believing in what you believe in. You have every right in the world to believe whatever you want. Hell, you could even believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the earth, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's when people act like their religion is the only religion that I get upset. Because it's quite narrow minded to think like that.
If, God forbid, anything happens to me or someone I know, or I somehow come accross evidence from a reliable source that I trust, I'll believe. It's as simple as that. I already believe in many things that I can't see; that's not the issue. The point is that I don't go off on someone when they don't believe in the exact same thing as me. I'd much rather hear what they have to say, and see if I can maybe learn something valuable from it. I'd suggest you do the same; it makes life a lot more interesting.
If you have anything more to say on the subject, and you'd like to say it in a respectful manner, I'm all ears.
First off let me say I am sorry, I didn't realize I was being rude. I was only trying to say my beliefs, which I feel strongly about so sometimes I come off as forceful
. I am sorry if I offended or upset you. I was only trying to give my opinion
inthesilence
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
First off let me say I am sorry, I didn't realize I was being rude. I was only trying to say my beliefs, which I feel strongly about so sometimes I come off as forceful
. I am sorry if I offended or upset you. I was only trying to give my opinion
I realise that. I get a little carried away with my own beliefs at times, too. ^_~ Nobody is immune. I was kind of upset about it, to be truthful, but I do get what you were trying to say, and that you were only trying to express your opinion. It's hard to be patient with people sometimes, and even the calmest and most serene of people can get frustrated. So, no hard feelings. ^_^
DanieLs_4_Ever
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Demons exist, The Devil does not.
How is that certain?
Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Demons exist, The Devil does not.
You believe in God don't you? In Heaven?
-AC
BackFire
Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
How is that certain?
It isn't.
Great Vengeance
No its not a "realy" possibility.
BlackC@t
I do not believe in Heaven.
I don't know about God, depends what your definition of God is, do you define God as the energy around? That makes up trees, grass, our emotions, etc.
Alpha Centauri
I'm just curious as to why you think you are a factual authority on such a subjective issue.
You can't go around telling people that things exist or don't exist.
-AC
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by inthesilence
I realise that. I get a little carried away with my own beliefs at times, too. ^_~ Nobody is immune. I was kind of upset about it, to be truthful, but I do get what you were trying to say, and that you were only trying to express your opinion. It's hard to be patient with people sometimes, and even the calmest and most serene of people can get frustrated. So, no hard feelings. ^_^
Thanks for understanding
Spelljammer
I'm considering making my own religon, wouldn't know what to call it. Perhaps Neo-Kabbalah..
God:
God was once a sentinent being, but invaraibly died for our sins because He was too compassionate and wanted to prove man could change. His mistake costed The Trinity it's eternal life, there is is no salvation, there is no changing man's sinful nature. Not even God was capable..
Satan's Role:
Satan serves as a political rival. Satan never once gave mankind the bennefit of the doubt, and for good reason. Now without God in the picture, Satan is free to do as he pleases, however without God's compassion and parent-like features, what's the point? Satan's position now is to serve as a violant authority figure, trying desperately to bring law and order to a hectic universe. If angels can rebel surely humans can too. And once the souls become self aware of a life after death and realise thier full functions, they only become that much more difficult to cooperate with. Satan's starting to realise how futile it was to rebel. And how horrible of an accident it was for man to come into exsistance.
The Elements:
There are invaribly six elements. The four basics which we all know from zodiac, which makeup our universe. The Necro-Element which is a peversion of everyone and everything. It is the darkness that sorrounds us that we can never escape. (If you want to immagine necro-energy, take the sun's fire, now think about nuclear energy. Necro is the nuclear..)
There is also the sixth and rarely spoken of "Holy" energy. This energy is never gone into detail because it's impossible to hold domain over. We get it in very small doses, but no man, no god, could ever hope to harness it as a basic. So it's best not to think about such things..
Heaven/Hell:
Simply alternate dimensions. This along with many others in the multiverse. We are beings of energy and are redoxing costantly into new atmospheres and bodies. This is why it is so difficult for Satan and his legions to keep control of hummanity. But it is so important that he does or else we ALL will soon become subject to the quantamn field. (AKA: Death after death.) Rather then simply "execute" the most hostile souls, or trapping them in some sortof dimensional prison, Satan has cleverly devised a way to make us go through ultimate redox. Where we are constantly reincarnating, make us forget half of what we learn because our simple 4-dimensional brain can't process 18-dimension logic. This sortof forced ignorance helps keep us inline. Which I can't stress enough how important that is..
Curl_Up&Dye
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
what BlackCat is saying is true! I took classes from people who have been working in the paranormal for 18 years. EVP's are a helpful way of communicating with spirits and entities. Tarot,Quji,Seances and welcoming demons will cause Possessions. Ghost however are harmless, they can not hurt you. Only if they were aggressive in life will they be aggressive in death. They carry their personality over. Demons, and Poltergeist (which is actually PK caused by people mostly teen girls) will harm you. But a typical haunting wont.
tarot allowing for entities to enter? please explain. (im not being sarcastic...id really like to know
)
As far as I'm concerned, tarot is just a combination of cards laid out that are interpreted in vague and different ways. Just like horoscope readings and what not.
Id really like to know how they are linked to paranormal investigation.
Spelljammer
Tarot cards are the manifestation of one's own conciounceness. They are not dangerous by any means. Unless you consider bad news dangerous.
And Tarot readings are only as cynical and as doom savy as the person reading them.. People with good outlooks on life tend to have a good outlook in thier readings. Mom does with her Godess deck, and my traditional Rider Waite deck is always puzzled always emphasizing on how there will always be problems, and that life is just full of mistakes and complexities.. Which is how I feel..
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
tarot allowing for entities to enter? please explain. (im not being sarcastic...id really like to know
)
As far as I'm concerned, tarot is just a combination of cards laid out that are interpreted in vague and different ways. Just like horoscope readings and what not.
Id really like to know how they are linked to paranormal investigation.
well see, I use to use Tarot myself and then while at Paranormal Classes (they are offered every so often at a near by college) They brought up, that sometimes entities can effect the flip of the card or the one your drawn too.like how when sometimes the cards are laid out in a horseshoe you run your hand across picking the one you feel has the most 'engery', they can be negative energies drawing you to a certain card. Now Tarot is no where as bad as a Quqi(sp?) Boards, Quqi boards are a BIG NO NO!
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Tarot cards are the manifestation of one's own conciounceness. They are not dangerous by any means. Unless you consider bad news dangerous.
And Tarot readings are only as cynical and as doom savy as the person reading them.. People with good outlooks on life tend to have a good outlook in thier readings. Mom does with her Godess deck, and my traditional Rider Waite deck is always puzzled always emphasizing on how there will always be problems, and that life is just full of mistakes and complexities.. Which is how I feel..
See, I do agree about the part on whos reading them. Basically in how you interpert it. But in some cases I dont know if it is always safe. Depending on who uses them, if they are 'weak' it could lead to other things I think like getting involved in Quqi.
Spelljammer
Quija boards.
Yeah, I believe that about them flipping the cards. Sometimes I found it odd that while I've been trying to do love spells, Lovers came up but then moved itself from a sudden wind outside to moving out of my life. (It was never in my life..)
Jennifer, a friend of mine wanted a quija board. I'd told her I'd help her get one. She wants to learn all about the occult and is psyched I'm willing to teach her. Mom got pissed..
"It opens a door!
"
"She's got to find that out for herself, like teachiing a child the stove is hot and you shouldn't put your hand on it."
"NO! You tell them the stove is hot and then if they do something stupid you can't help that. You however are taking thier hand and putting it on the hot stove, just to prove a point!
"
"Heheheh, yeah..
"
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Quija boards.
Yeah, I believe that about them flipping the cards. Sometimes I found it odd that while I've been trying to do love spells, Lovers came up but then moved itself from a sudden wind outside to moving out of my life. (It was never in my life..)
Jennifer, a friend of mine wanted a quija board. I'd told her I'd help her get one. She wants to learn all about the occult and is psyched I'm willing to teach her. Mom got pissed..
"It opens a door!
"
"She's got to find that out for herself, like teachiing a child the stove is hot and you shouldn't put your hand on it."
"NO! You tell them the stove is hot and then if they do something stupid you can't help that. You however are taking thier hand and putting it on the hot stove, just to prove a point!
"
"Heheheh, yeah..
"
I never spell Quija right
yeah, its weird about Tarot because when I had the set, I tried to just focus on the energy and sometimes it felt really strong.
So I am guessing your mom doesn't like Quija boards either?
Spelljammer
I don't know anyone over 30 who does, seriously.
I went to a witch shop and saw a quija board I fell inlove with. It was handcrafted and had a triquetra (which is the symbol I now wear) over the board. It was very beautiful. And what better way to manipulate the spirits then in style?
She wouldn't sell it to me!
Mom was even suprised at the old lady and she said something along the lines of "I'm getting a bad feeling about it, I know if Daniel were here (her son) he'd say it's bad buisness, but there's something not right about this situation.."
I don't know if that lady was empathetic on my plans to force other minds to do my will or use friends as guinnie pigs.
Or if she foresaw some sortof omen for it all coming back to me three times. (Which is what witch'es say ALOT. Very annoying..)
Either way, she wouldn't sell it to me. Which bassicaly ruined my plans.
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Spelljammer
I don't know anyone over 30 who does, seriously.
I went to a witch shop and saw a quija board I fell inlove with. It was handcrafted and had a triquetra (which is the symbol I now wear) over the board. It was very beautiful. And what better way to manipulate the spirits then in style?
She wouldn't sell it to me!
Mom was even suprised at the old lady and she said something along the lines of "I'm getting a bad feeling about it, I know if Daniel were here (her son) he'd say it's bad buisness, but there's something not right about this situation.."
I don't know if that lady was empathetic on my plans to force other minds to do my will or use friends as guinnie pigs.
Or if she foresaw some sortof omen for it all coming back to me three times. (Which is what witch'es say ALOT. Very annoying..)
Either way, she wouldn't sell it to me. Which bassicaly ruined my plans.
what were your plans with it?
Spelljammer
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
what were your plans with it?
... I thought I made it obvious?
A) Spirits know things I don't. Which shouldn't be. I'm entitled to have just as much power as they do. So I wanted to use them as a means of obtaining more power. Sounds very Mephistopheles but ohwell..
B) My curiosity is very strong. I wanted to see if the myths were true about someone becoming possessed if they do the quija board alone. And what's the point of having friends if they can't be used as guinnie pigs? \m/
\m/
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Spelljammer
... I thought I made it obvious?
A) Spirits know things I don't. Which shouldn't be. I'm entitled to have just as much power as they do. So I wanted to use them as a means of obtaining more power. Sounds very Mephistopheles but ohwell..
B) My curiosity is very strong. I wanted to see if the myths were true about someone becoming possessed if they do the quija board alone. And what's the point of having friends if they can't be used as guinnie pigs? \m/
\m/
Okay, That is a scary thought. You should heed the words of your mother. Quija is EVIL. And what you want to use it for is not good. Espically the second. You shouldnt put anyone in danger.
Spelljammer
Heh you obviously don't know what an evil guy I can be.. \m/
\m/
Infact, I have conjured spirits before. Only once to my knowledge, but it was very apparent that I did. They didn't seem hostile, which is more then I can say for the ones who visit me in my dreams and love to pick a fight. I wakeup blue in the face, gasping for air, cold sweat, my mind becomes blank and I can't even remember where or who I am for about 60 seconds.. but luckiely when it gets to that point my cat wakes me up by jumping on my stomache or biting me.
Despite how I hate that cat, she's a *****, attacks the dogs for no reason at all, isn't very lovable, and has a smarmy look about her and curls her lip at you. She looks like with her lil mustache and I call her Hitler.. (Who reincarnated into my cat! *Gasp!*)
But yeah, I'm not too concerned about the dangers or the severities that could happen to my "friends". I have my own altirior motives that need trial and error and expirmentation before they can see fruit. Sacrifices have to be made. There is no saviour or hardly morale for that matter. This world is evil versus evil. Some evil people are just more sickingly disgusting then others..
BlackC@t
People think "How can something that The Parker Brothers make be harmful?" It's not the board itself which is dangerous, but the line of communication you're using is.
BlackC@t
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm just curious as to why you think you are a factual authority on such a subjective issue.
You can't go around telling people that things exist or don't exist.
-AC
It's just my opinion. I don't see why you go strutting around the forums acting like 'The Brain King.'
Pull your head out of your rear-end and you'll see what I mean
Alpha Centauri
I see what you mean, I see perfectly. And I only say "I'm right" if I am. If it's my opinion I recognise that regardless of how heavily I put it across.
You constantly consider yourself an authority on the paranormal and the occult just because you love horror movies and claim to have had encounters with spirits. That means jack shit, here. Sorry to say so.
You have no place guaranteeing or denying that things of subjective and unproven nature exist or not.
-AC
Spelljammer
He hasn't claimed anything, you're just a prick. Get over yourself. Alot more people believe in the paranormal. If you want to be in denial that's your problem, not our's. But we don't have to live in ignorance simply because you choose too.
See, this is what I mean. If I had my way, people like this guy wouldn't exsist. I ask you, seriously, what is all this bad rep Satan's got? He wants nothing more then to bring wrath and gloom on dumbasses like this who deny God. Is that so wrong? Think about how relieved you would be if you never had to deal with such chumps, or atleast a whole lot less of them..
Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Spelljammer
He hasn't claimed anything, you're just a prick. Get over yourself. Alot more people believe in the paranormal. If you want to be in denial that's your problem, not our's. But we don't have to live in ignorance simply because you choose too.
A) He's a she, don't dive in a pool with no water. You'll land on your head and I'll have to wipe the floor as per usual.
B) I don't care who chooses to believe what, that's the beauty of the world. I personally find it very interesting. From Cat's previous posts here it's quite clear that she doesn't have much to show outside of her ability to say "Yeah this is real, but that isn't." If I'm wrong, let her show me and I'll admit it.
Originally posted by Spelljammer
See, this is what I mean. If I had my way, people like this guy wouldn't exsist. I ask you, seriously, what is all this bad rep Satan's got? He wants nothing more then to bring wrath and gloom on dumbasses like this who deny God. Is that so wrong? Think about how relieved you would be if you never had to deal with such chumps, or atleast a whole lot less of them..
I believe Mark Twain (if my memory recalls, might be wrong) said it best when he mentioned how christians are supposedly all about forgiving sins. Satan is the biggest sinner of them all and by the definition of christianity, the one who needs the most forgiveness. Yet all he's met with is contempt and hatred from a legion of God's "followers" who spout off bullcrap about "They know not what they do" but don't believe it themselves.
I'm not a christian, I have spiritual beliefs but I am not connected to any religion. My comment was meant in partial humour based upon that notion.
Humour: It's this year's hot new thing. Might wanna try it out. Or better yet Mr. Copperfield, try conjuring it up with your magick skills. Pfft.
Disclaimer: For those among the GDF (you do know who you are) who are a little over sensitive as to what an insult is or isn't, nothing in this post is an insult. Save yourself the reply.
-AC
Raven Guardia
From my point of view : I agree with alot of what BlackCat says. I also study paranormal and alot of information she is telling you guys is true (from what I know and experience). Quijas are bad, they are opening a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Ghost do exist, However they wont harm you UNLESS, they had an aggressive personality in life they will carry it with them in death. What will harm you or try is demons and other negative or evil entities. EVPS, are a way of communicating with the dead, but you must be careful when you do an EVP. Make sure you are only contacting human spirits. And as she said the movie "white noise" is a bunch of bull shit.
Now spelljammer- Its up to you do deal with and be involved in what you want. Its your free right, just be careful in what you do. and you should treat others more nicely like AC, remember he is also only giving his opinion
AC- I am not exactly sure what your opinion on this is, you can choose how you want to think and feel. But also remember what spelljammer and BlackCat are saying is true in their opinions.
I am not trying to mother any of you or anything, but from what I am seeing you guys are misunderstanding each other. you all have opinions and should try your best to be nice to each other, and except it that others don't have the same opinions...I could use this advice myself.
Alpha Centauri
I appreciate you're trying to help or be a peacekeeper and yadadada-da, but their opinion can be "true" to them all they want. To Hitler it was true that the jews sucked and deserved to die.
I don't need to be "nicer" to anyone because I'm not being mean. Cat's going around with her own personal beliefs on something so subjective as this, trying to guarantee what's real and what isn't. I've seen her promise someone that Heaven exists, she has no place to do so.
You believing in all of this strongly doesn't make it any more provable.
-AC
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I appreciate you're trying to help or be a peacekeeper and yadadada-da, but their opinion can be "true" to them all they want. To Hitler it was true that the jews sucked and deserved to die.
I don't need to be "nicer" to anyone because I'm not being mean. Cat's going around with her own personal beliefs on something so subjective as this, trying to guarantee what's real and what isn't. I've seen her promise someone that Heaven exists, she has no place to do so.
You believing in all of this strongly doesn't make it any more provable.
-AC
yes Hitler did believe he was right, and some people still believe what he did was right. And many others disagree.
why doesn't she have the place to do so? Its a free country she can say and speak how she feels and believes. She can say what she wants and believe its true. She can promise someone Heaven exists, because to her and in heart it does. I also believe it exists.
Believing in something always does not make it provable. But for BlackCat and I which we tend to (I think)share the same thoughts towards the Paranormal (I don't know if she believes in God as a Christian point of view so I cant really use religion here) But, we can give you proof. I can prove to you Ghost exists, but you wouldn't believe it anyway, because you don't want to which is fine thats your choice.
Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I believe Mark Twain (if my memory recalls, might be wrong) said it best when he mentioned how christians are supposedly all about forgiving sins. Satan is the biggest sinner of them all and by the definition of christianity, the one who needs the most forgiveness. Yet all he's met with is contempt and hatred from a legion of God's "followers" who spout off bullcrap about "They know not what they do" but don't believe it themselves.
"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" - Mark Twain
Spelljammer
AC is not a nice guy, I can tell by the way he talks to us he thinks he's above us, he's a snobby, pompus, prick, who probably wasn't disciplined enough as a child. So now he thinks he has rights over us because he's special, when he's not..
I've seen his kind before, and that's what really burns my ass about Christians and most doctrines of faith. We're suppose to show compassion and forgiveness towards these people, why? What makes anyone, much less these disgusting individuals deserve mercy and forgiveness? I don't want a God that'll hug me and be my friend, I want a God that will takeout the garbage, that way life is alot more peaceful and quite without the noise of black souls like AC and others like him exsisting. Not to say AC is the worse man in the world, I could easily name more, alot more.
But I'm in no mood to deal with it. I've seen through history and self-exprience where consideration and mercy gets you. It gets you hung on a cross starving and dirty. And there isn't going to be anyone there to save you..
If the Jews/Romans could do that to Jesus I dare not think about what they'd do to me if given the oppurtunity, and I'm not going to let them have the chance too..
You try to deny the darkside, but you'll be relieved when those that deny God will be fed to the worm. Never again demeaning us, never again pushing us around, isn't about time you deserved liberation?
Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Spelljammer
AC is not a nice guy, I can tell by the way he talks to us he thinks he's above us, he's a snobby, pompus, prick, who probably wasn't disciplined enough as a child. So now he thinks he has rights over us because he's special, when he's not..
I've seen his kind before, and that's what really burns my ass about Christians and most doctrines of faith. We're suppose to show compassion and forgiveness towards these people, why? What makes anyone, much less these disgusting individuals deserve mercy and forgiveness? I don't want a God that'll hug me and be my friend, I want a God that will takeout the garbage, that way life is alot more peaceful and quite without the noise of black souls like AC and others like him exsisting. Not to say AC is the worse man in the world, I could easily name more, alot more.
But I'm in no mood to deal with it. I've seen through history and self-exprience where consideration and mercy gets you. It gets you hung on a cross starving and dirty. And there isn't going to be anyone there to save you..
If the Jews/Romans could do that to Jesus I dare not think about what they'd do to me if given the oppurtunity, and I'm not going to let them have the chance too..
You try to deny the darkside, but you'll be relieved when those that deny God will be fed to the worm. Never again demeaning us, never again pushing us around, isn't about time you deserved liberation?
Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
why doesn't she have the place to do so? Its a free country she can say and speak how she feels and believes. She can say what she wants and believe its true. She can promise someone Heaven exists, because to her and in heart it does. I also believe it exists.
She can say what she wants, but she has no actual right to confirm, deny or promise people things with regards to her own personal, unfounded and unprovable beliefs.
She can't promise someone Heaven exists because she doesn't know that it does, she believes it does. She has no right giving someone possibly false hopes.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Believing in something always does not make it provable. But for BlackCat and I which we tend to (I think)share the same thoughts towards the Paranormal (I don't know if she believes in God as a Christian point of view so I cant really use religion here) But, we can give you proof. I can prove to you Ghost exists, but you wouldn't believe it anyway, because you don't want to which is fine thats your choice.
You can't prove to me that a ghost exists, what part of that are you not understanding? You can give me lectures about why you believe a ghost exists, what evidence you have etc etc. The conviction with which you hold these beliefs does not render upon them some kind of truth shield. Sorry to break that to you.
I'm not denying the existance of ghosts, nor am I confirming. I'm just saying that you can't confirm it for someone else.
Originally posted by Spelljammer
AC is not a nice guy, I can tell by the way he talks to us he thinks he's above us, he's a snobby, pompus, prick, who probably wasn't disciplined enough as a child. So now he thinks he has rights over us because he's special, when he's not..
Everyone here has that opinion of me and it's SO flattering because I don't even think that about myself. It's really becoming apparant that you all think it and hate yourselves for thinking it, so you blame me. Sad.
I wasn't forced into believing things as a child, if that's what you mean by discipline. Hence why I believe people are free to SAY what they want, regardless of where I disagree or not. I believe Cat has no right going around saying some of the convictions she does, but that's freedom of speech and I respect it. I'd rather be loosely raised and be how I am than be raised how I assume (from your own definition of discipline) you were, and have a bottle cork wedge up my ass so far that I'm afraid to believe anything else.
Originally posted by Spelljammer
I've seen his kind before, and that's what really burns my ass about Christians and most doctrines of faith. We're suppose to show compassion and forgiveness towards these people, why? What makes anyone, much less these disgusting individuals deserve mercy and forgiveness? I don't want a God that'll hug me and be my friend, I want a God that will takeout the garbage, that way life is alot more peaceful and quite without the noise of black souls like AC and others like him exsisting. Not to say AC is the worse man in the world, I could easily name more, alot more.
Haha, be honest, you've not seen my kind before
.
Second, how hypocritical. You want an honest and if neccessary, brutal God...but...when I speak out with vicious passion it's "Oh no! You're a dark soul, you can't say/do that!" You christians don't actually stop talking out of your collective anii do you?
-AC
FeceMan
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" - Mark Twain
Who would pray for forgiveness for one who would not ask for it, especially when it is so freely given?
Originally posted by Spelljammer
AC is not a nice guy, I can tell by the way he talks to us he thinks he's above us, he's a snobby, pompus, prick, who probably wasn't disciplined enough as a child. So now he thinks he has rights over us because he's special, when he's not..
I've seen his kind before, and that's what really burns my ass about Christians and most doctrines of faith. We're suppose to show compassion and forgiveness towards these people, why? What makes anyone, much less these disgusting individuals deserve mercy and forgiveness? I don't want a God that'll hug me and be my friend, I want a God that will takeout the garbage, that way life is alot more peaceful and quite without the noise of black souls like AC and others like him exsisting. Not to say AC is the worse man in the world, I could easily name more, alot more.
But I'm in no mood to deal with it. I've seen through history and self-exprience where consideration and mercy gets you. It gets you hung on a cross starving and dirty. And there isn't going to be anyone there to save you..
If the Jews/Romans could do that to Jesus I dare not think about what they'd do to me if given the oppurtunity, and I'm not going to let them have the chance too..
You try to deny the darkside, but you'll be relieved when those that deny God will be fed to the worm. Never again demeaning us, never again pushing us around, isn't about time you deserved liberation?
Truth.
And it's things like this that make everything that Spelljammer has spoken completely true.
Alpha Centauri
It doesn't though does it? Let us be truly honest with our souls here. It doesn't make what he said completely true because it's factually false.
You're a christian and you're agreeing with him because you don't like what I'm saying. All there is to it. Don't complain about your religion being about forgiveness. Don't like it? Don't follow it. Don't like what I say? Forgive me. Simple isn't it? Just do what the good book says and assume I know not what I do.
Forgiveness is so freely given? Wanna tell me where you get this from Mr. Anyone who believes in abortion believes in murder and it's unforgivable?
-AC
EsteemedLeader
Superstition.
FeceMan
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't though does it? Let us be truly honest with our souls here. It doesn't make what he said completely true because it's factually false.
You're a christian and you're agreeing with him because you don't like what I'm saying. All there is to it. Don't complain about your religion being about forgiveness. Don't like it? Don't follow it. Don't like what I say? Forgive me. Simple isn't it? Just do what the good book says and assume I know not what I do.
Forgiveness is so freely given? Wanna tell me where you get this from Mr. Anyone who believes in abortion believes in murder and it's unforgivable?
-AC
No, AC, what he said is true is TRUE not because I don't like what you are saying. It is true because I've read your posting and observed your habits. Everything he said about you rings true because you have proved it so.
Where have I ever said that abortion is unforgivable? I believe it is a sin, I believe it is murder, but where do you get off on declaring that I said it is unforgivable?
EsteemedLeader
Go abortion!!!w00t
Spelljammer
Wat's funny is how AC, and all ahtiests in general are digging thier own graves. Notice he doesn't have my support, and I speak for the dark ones..
And he ceartainly doesn't want your support, and you advocate Christian faith and virtue..
He's got nowhere to go..
Alpha Centauri
What's funny is how I'm not an athiest.
What's funnier is that I've continually stated I neither confirm nor deny the existance of God.
What's not funny is the level of your sheer idiocy.
-AC
Spelljammer
I seriously doubt you'd talk half of the shit you do if you were spiritual in the least. You're just a troll, at that a bad one..
Alpha Centauri
I seriously doubt you'd talk half the crap you do if you had intelligence in the least, but hey, AC gotta be wrong sometime.
I'm not trolling, look the term up. Trolling doesn't mean "Continually proving someone wrong". The funniest thing is how people always say I never admit I'm wrong, this is proof that people do the same. Rather than admit it, you call me a troll.
-AC
Raven Guardia
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't prove to me that a ghost exists, what part of that are you not understanding? You can give me lectures about why you believe a ghost exists, what evidence you have etc etc. The conviction with which you hold these beliefs does not render upon them some kind of truth shield. Sorry to break that to you.
I'm not denying the existance of ghosts, nor am I confirming. I'm just saying that you can't confirm it for someone else.
-AC
Spelljammer was right when he called you a pompus jerk. And I CAN prove it to you! its not just lecturing,..I can show you.
Imperial_Samura
How can you prove it? I am very open minded, I think there is the possibility that such things exist, but as of yet I have not seen any solid proof, which means I have a healthy dose of scepticism.
Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Spelljammer was right when he called you a pompus jerk. And I CAN prove it to you! its not just lecturing,..I can show you.
Go for it. Prove to me beyond all doubt and deniability. Factually prove to me, to the point that I cannot deny it, that there are ghosts and spirits.
Not loads of stuff on why you believe there is, I'm talking actual undeniable material.
-AC
Lana
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Spelljammer was right when he called you a pompus jerk. And I CAN prove it to you! its not just lecturing,..I can show you.
I'm kinda curious as to how you'd prove ghosts and spirits exist, myself.
Raven Guardia
I can prove it. I am in a Paranormal group so I have actual pictures of Apparitions and Orbs. I have EVPS and and even Video tape. They are very real evidence, and none of it was tampered with. I swear my life on it.
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