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Kill me. they are on coruscant

Magneto. Some of the die-hards here may crucify me for such a claim, but this is Magneto. I'm not stating all Marvel characters could defeat Star Wars characters - but Magneto is easily one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe.

And this is on Coruscant - which is THE worst place to fight a guy who can control metal and magnetism.

Magneto would beat Luke. But he would OWN him on Coruscant.

One of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe? Not really.

just making sure now they are on Kamino

Originally posted by Illustrious
One of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe? Not really.

Nah, I'd have to say he is. Not THE most powerful - but he's up there. On the Marvel site - and "this is a quote" -

"Magneto is arguably the most powerful being on Earth."

on Earth, not the Universe.

True. But MOST of the Marvel heroes ARE on Earth. So he is above more than eighty percent of them.

Yes, but the list of those more powerful is long enough to not be disregarded.

It's just like saying Coleman Trebor is likely stronger than 99.999999999% of the SWU (because of all the nameless commoners of various planets), but that doesn't mean much when there are thousands of individuals of greater power.

That's also true. But Magneto and Coleman Trebor are different. Though he is a Jedi, he wasn't a very good one. As we've seen - Magneto is VERY powerful.

Somebody can you get an avatar? it is hard to find you

I'm not saying he isn't, but keep it on a realistic level.

Saying he's one of the most powerful characters in the universe (when it can only be applied to earth) is what makes sources like wikipedia so unreliable in the first place -- simply because the vocabulary is too grandiose.

well he is hell a strong probably the 200000000/10000000000000000000000000 strongest person in the marvel universe i think there are alot of none mutants

Uh, redefine that post please. Legibly.

forget it i just meant hes strong

guys i have a question i always wanted to ask. how come you guys always care if someone new doesnt capitalize or stuff like that but you dont care about me?

We've reprimanded you multiple times, but it apparently hasn't yet rung a bell. . .

Uh, actually Magneto is very powerful, but enough to kill an ancient Sith lord? I'm not so sure. His power is totally in magnetics.

I personally think that it depends on the terrain. If it's metal then magneto would simply own luke, unless luke could use the force very wisely. But in a non metal area luke would win.

NJO luke? In the SW universe he is basically a god, which is ridiculous. IMO, Magneto would do what with metal? Luke can use the force. anything thrown at him or along those lines would do nothing. He ca ndo force lightning also I presume, so Magneto would die?

"Magneto once liEed a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away."

Luke flipped a black hole over from farther than that.

Can Magneto make electromagnetic fields and manipulate electromagnetic waves? Because if he can do that, then he actually has a bigger chance than I thought.

"Magneto is a mutant with the superhuman power to control magnetism. He can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially. It is unclear, however, whether he must draw magnetic force from outside himself (if so, then he can do so over vast distances), or whether he can also generate magnetic force from within himself. Nor is it clear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature.

Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, it is for all practical purposes limitless. Even before his rejuvenation, Magneto once liEed a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away. Moreover, Magneto can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erec! magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection. Although Magneto often gestures when using his magnetic powers, he can utilize them fully even when standing totally still merely by concentrating.

Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to magnetism. In the past he has fired a bolt of electricity, he has also created enough intense heat to destroy a metal door. Heat, or infrared radiation, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma-rays, and x-rays. Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field, and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the longsought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, so perhaps it is more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy."

Sure damn looks like it.

Go look at the Ragnos & Luke vs. Onslaught for some more info, Dipsit.

A mess of a thread, that.

I'm just curious, Faunus, is that ship that Magneto lifted that I posted about near the bottom of the previous page the same as the one you have been talking about so much?

Yep. Although I've mentioned it only twice.

NJO Luke or an ancient sith Lord can beat Magneto quickly.

The ability to manipulate metal means nothing when you compare it to the force.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
"Magneto once liEed a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away."


JA Luke pushed three Star Destroyers back into hyperspace from serveral thousands kilometres of range.

How much energy do you need to accelerate 3 ships with more than 1,500 feet length carrying more than 5,000 men (each) above lightspeed ?

Nai i sugjest becomeing a lawer. sure it takes years but still...

It all depends.

The Force may affect more things than Magneto, but ala when Jean Gray battled Magneto in the cartoon series and in the comics, she was beaten. She is a highly potent telepath and has immense telekinetic powers. But every time she and Magneto fought over something metal, he - being the more powerful mutant - would win. Magneto specializes in control of magnetism. So if he and Luke we're having a tug-o-war over a metallic item - I'd place my bets on Magneto.

In close-combat, Magneto would beat Luke. He's stronger and has much more endurance. Magneto might be able to negate Luke's Force powers, because he can manipulate energy and electro-magnetism.

Regardless, Luke isn't likely going to wave his hand and this mutant drop dead.

Star Destroyers are made of metal, and like Nai said here and I said in the Onslaught thread is that they have moved Star Destroyers before, much bigger than 100 tonnes.

And we have proven time and again that Magneto is capable of lifting far more than 100 tons. Stop trying to limit him to that, it's getting annoying. . .

When people were arguing for Onslaught they said he had everyone of Xavier's and Magneto's power. Onslaught is said to have a 100 ton limit.

Please demonstrate one time that Magneto lifted more than 100 tonnes.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And we have proven time and again that Magneto is capable of lifting far more than 100 tons. Stop trying to limit him to that, it's getting annoying. . .

Ha...Magneto lives on Planet Earth, right ?

To accelerate something above speed of light is impossible on Earth, isn't it ? Thereby Magneto can't do what Luke did not with a single atom yet Luke did it with three capital star ships each carrying a crew of more than 5,000 people.

So JA Luke > Magneto
NJO Luke > JA Luke
NJO Luke > Magneto

no im sure it is possible to move things faster then lightspeed on earth

Nai, you're placing Magneto on Earth. Well, imagine if Luke were on Earth or of he were in space as Luke was when he manipulated those three Star Destroyers. Magneto can control planetary magnetic fields. He can manipulate metal to a degree where his control of it is beyond any of the other magnetism-users - such as Polaris. Magneto can rip the iron from Luke's blood. Luke may be all-powerful in the NJO series, but if he can survive his entire iron count from being removed from his blood - and still fight a highly powerful mutant - then he is the official God of Star Wars.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Nai, you're placing Magneto on Earth. Well, imagine if Luke were on Earth or of he were in space as Luke was when he manipulated those three Star Destroyers. Magneto can control planetary magnetic fields. He can manipulate metal to a degree where his control of it is beyond any of the other magnetism-users - such as Polaris. Magneto can rip the iron from Luke's blood. Luke may be all-powerful in the NJO series, but if he can survive his entire iron count from being removed from his blood - and still fight a highly powerful mutant - then he is the official God of Star Wars.

He threw the Star Destroyers into hyperspace so he was either accelearting them above lightspeed or simply boosted them into a higher dimension. I didn't see Magneto do something like that.

And where is your prove that Magneto can rip the iron from Luke's blood ? He maybe able to do that with normal people or mutants - but an overpowered force user ? That's like saying he won't have the opportunity to do that because Luke would instakill him on sight with that nice "green-spark" forcepower.

Controlling the Earth's magnetic field isn't very impressive. The magnetic field is about 20 microtesla. Luke is close to, or equal to Naga Sadow in power. Naga Sadow ripped the core from a star. A Star has a magnetic field approximatly 5,000,000 times more powerful than the earths. Not looking to good on that magnetic manipulation argument.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
When people were arguing for Onslaught they said he had everyone of Xavier's and Magneto's power. Onslaught is said to have a 100 ton limit.

Please demonstrate one time that Magneto lifted more than 100 tonnes.

The ship, for the fourth time. 30,000 tons. It's a comic book event. I must say, I've never read the particular comic, but it changes nothing.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
He threw the Star Destroyers into hyperspace so he was either accelearting them above lightspeed or simply boosted them into a higher dimension. I didn't see Magneto do something like that.

And where is your prove that Magneto can rip the iron from Luke's blood ? He maybe able to do that with normal people or mutants - but an overpowered force user ? That's like saying he won't have the opportunity to do that because Luke would instakill him on sight with that nice "green-spark" forcepower.

What the hell? Since when is being an overpowered Force user a warrant enough that you can keep the iron in your blood in much easier than anyone else? So where is YOUR proof that he can't?

Luke is human. Magneto can rip the iron from HUMANS. It doesn't matter whether or not Luke is an overpowered Force user. Blood is blood. Iron is iron. And Magneto can manipulate energy, as well. So who's to say he can't shrug off that little instakill?

Luke would easily be able to hold the iron in him with the force. His ability to move things is FAR passed Magneto.

Lol then it looks like Coleman Trebor would own Onslaught all by himself if that were the case.

Merry Chirstmas from the Jawas!

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Lol then it looks like Coleman Trebor would own Onslaught all by himself if that were the case.

No, Coleman is a ass. Luke is a demi-god.

Notice that the battle is in Coruscant; tens of thousands of tons of metal delights to chuck at Luke. He can stop them, sure. But while he's taking a second to simply deflect them, Magneto's going to rip the metal ground from under his feet, wrap a metal pipeline full of chemicals around him, and use shards of metal to puncture the metal pipeline, spewing deadly chemicals onto Luke. Now, Skywalker would likely have broken out of the pipe in a moment or three, but not before he gets half a building dropped on him. So now, he's holding up half a building with his mind, while still trying to get out of the pipe, because his hands are tied against his body. Next thing he knows, he's a mile under Coruscant's metal surface, buried unnder thousands and thousands of tons of metal.

THE END

. . .

lets go to kamino and the fight is now there

It doesn't matter where the fight is, Luke would waste Magneto. That 30,000 ton tanker was thrown around like nothing. Luke moved 3 freakin Star Destroyers and that is a ****in lot heavier than a tanker.

Thank you Glentract!

I'm sorry but magnetism is not even existant without the force, as the force is the eternal universal power.

Magneto would F*** S*** up for sure, but I mean, a force choke or a saber and hes' done. And Sith Lords and NJO Luke and Obi-Wan even could prolly take him.

Glentract, I've said already Class 100 means you can lift AT LEAST 100 tons, it's not your "limit."

Somebody, Magneto does not have more "strength and endurance" than Luke; that's what keeps him from being a cosmic power. His physical shell is old and weak, and can not stand the rigors of overuse -- he's no Silver Surfer.

Luke HAS demonstrated feats of the same level Magneto has. Does that mean he will for sure win? Not necessarily. It all depends on how much credit and emphasis you place on the force, a power completely devoid in the MU.

I even said that Magneto lifted that 30,000 ton tanker. They thing is that those three Star Destroyers are WAY more massive than a thirty thousand ton tanker.

How about we abandon this stupid thread already? It's a comic book character who's abilities are best described as "dramatic neccessity" or btter yet, "scientifically impossible". When comparing two totally different worlds like this, you have to give props to the one who can be scientifically proved.

How does Magneto generate his power? How much does it tax him? Can anything stop him from using it? How would the Force affect magnetism? etc. etc.

This thread is the equivalent of a Chinchillas turd.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I even said that Magneto lifted that 30,000 ton tanker. They thing is that those three Star Destroyers are WAY more massive than a thirty thousand ton tanker.


First off, his powers do not tax upon his true strength, he can control magnatism so if Luke were to lug those three stardestroyers at him he would easily deflect them, or beter yet, throw them back at him. another thing, the 30,000 ton tanker wasnt the hight of his power, in the movie he held a giant structure 5 miles from the planets surface and managed to fend of all the X-men with a wave of his hand. As for the Silver Surfer, he is compleatly pathetic, in all my dealings with him he was mearly an advisor for the stronger people, he really posesed no threat to Magneto. MAGNETO IS ALL POWERFUL!!!!! ALL HAIL MAGNETO!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It doesn't matter where the fight is, Luke would waste Magneto. That 30,000 ton tanker was thrown around like nothing. Luke moved 3 freakin Star Destroyers and that is a ****in lot heavier than a tanker.

Luke MOVED?! Three Star Destroyers with the Force!?..................I HATE NJO!!!!!!

It was JA Luke.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
First off, his powers do not tax upon his true strength, he can control magnatism so if Luke were to lug those three stardestroyers at him he would easily deflect them, or beter yet, throw them back at him. another thing, the 30,000 ton tanker wasnt the hight of his power, in the movie he held a giant structure 5 miles from the planets surface and managed to fend of all the X-men with a wave of his hand. As for the Silver Surfer, he is compleatly pathetic, in all my dealings with him he was mearly an advisor for the stronger people, he really posesed no threat to Magneto. MAGNETO IS ALL POWERFUL!!!!! ALL HAIL MAGNETO!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, okay.

Some things are best left unsaid.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
First off, his powers do not tax upon his true strength, he can control magnatism so if Luke were to lug those three stardestroyers at him he would easily deflect them, or beter yet, throw them back at him. another thing, the 30,000 ton tanker wasnt the hight of his power, in the movie he held a giant structure 5 miles from the planets surface and managed to fend of all the X-men with a wave of his hand. As for the Silver Surfer, he is compleatly pathetic, in all my dealings with him he was mearly an advisor for the stronger people, he really posesed no threat to Magneto. MAGNETO IS ALL POWERFUL!!!!! ALL HAIL MAGNETO!!!!!!!!!!!

*casts a dire charm spell and forces Lord Simus to refrain from posting somthing like this again*

I should let you guys know a friend typed that post he is joining today. His username is Darth Magnevous.

right until i see this guy i cant believe you

Check the members list.

fine hes here

Avis? Why is everyone changing their names?

i dont know but i love my new name

Originally posted by Lord Simus
I should let you guys know a friend typed that post he is joining today. His username is Darth Magnevous.


Listen to him its true

However he got my name wrong

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
Listen to him its true

Or you're just his sock, trying to cover your hide.

How can we be online at the same time then?

explain that

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
explain that

Just open two web pages, but no need to get hostile, I was just making a point.

I thank you for seeing it our way

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
I thank you for seeing it our way


Lets not go that far.

very well

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
What the hell? Since when is being an overpowered Force user a warrant enough that you can keep the iron in your blood in much easier than anyone else? So where is YOUR proof that he can't?

Luke once breathed pure cooling gas and survived it because the force made him to survive this. And this again was JA time Luke. And yes he CAN keep the iron in his blood easier than "normal" persons because he:

a)
Would feel through the force that somebody tries to rip it off

b)
Can keep it in his blood through the force.



Instakill = no reaction time = how should Magneto stop this ? And where does it say that it is part of the energetical spectrum that Magneto can control ? Luke could also throw a skyscraper made of plastic on Magneto and in this case Magneto is screwed or what ?

And they're fighting on Coruscant...Where did people get here that the buildings on Coruscant are made out of metal ? As far as I've seen it there is stone, plastic and glass - things that don't have very much metal in them. So NJO Luke snaps his fingers and you have a few hundred tons of glass, plastic and stone falling down on Magneto. Ups...I guess he's screwed.

AHA, but you miss the point, there are no skyscrapers made of plastic, nor is there a piece of nonmetal meterial with the same proportions. also don't start with the force lighting thing, magneto could counter that simply by makeing the magnetic fieald around himself the same polerization as the lightning and deflect it

Actually Coruscant is made of duracrete. That is a concrete-ish mixture that has little metal.

there we go, "LITTLE METAL" that still has the word metal in it, everything in the universe that has metal has a small magnetic field, therfor controlable by Magneto, BWAHAHAHA. Bring on your pitiful comback

Do I need to explain how insignificant his magnetic powers are, or can you just go look on previous page's.

these people underestimate Magneto, they dont realize the physics involved in this matter. Magneto would and has created shields of magnatism befor, these shields would be next to impenetrable because they are made from magnatism and they do not tax upon Magneto's strength.

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
these people underestimate Magneto, they dont realize the physics involved in this matter. Magneto would and has created shields of magnatism befor, these shields would be next to impenetrable because they are made from magnatism and they do not tax upon Magneto's strength.

Obviously you failed physics. There is no ****ing way possible that Magneto can control any of that shit, and there is no ****ing way possible that you can even compare these two peopel because... READ MY LIPS:

MARVEL DOES NOT CONFORM TO SCIENCE THEORIES AT ALL.

There is nothign scientific about it. If you believed in Marvel science, every kid would be eating dirt out at Chernobyl trying to become a superhero. It's all bullshit.

LMAO...............but don't get me wrong, that radiation's gonna last for years.














I very much dislike X-men being brought up against the Jedi.

Even I have to laugh at that and it offends me

Sorry for being so harsh about it.

Let me rephrase: You cannot apply physics to both sides because one clearly doesn't follow the rules and the other isn't even considered in the rules. There.

*sigh*
I hate this thread...just like I hate this pic...

Originally posted by Dark Nemesis
Sorry for being so harsh about it.

Let me rephrase: You cannot apply physics to both sides because one clearly doesn't follow the rules and the other isn't even considered in the rules. There.





Na, its ok


but your argument is kind of vexing, in your last argument, your not even chosing a side

Originally posted by Veneficus
*sigh*
I hate this thread...just like I hate this pic... LMAO

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
Na, its ok


but your argument is kind of vexing, in your last argument, your not even chosing a side

Meh, no reason to choose a side. This is apples and oranges here. If I wanted to compare them, I'd have to find something that they could both be equally judged against. Science isn't one of them. Their powers can't be validified on any other terms. Thus, unless this is "Who has more style" we can't make an informed opinion.

hmmm, you may be right


Yes, I will agree to that

And it sucks, doesn't it?

yes, you have now destroyed my... wait, everyones suporting arguments and now all of our debates will be biesed by your words

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
yes, you have now destroyed my... wait, everyones suporting arguments and now all of our debates will be biesed by your words .......BIASED..................

darn, i need to work on that, sorry

Well, if it's out of the same universe, like Luke versus Maul, that's not so much a problem. In that case, it's more a matter of who can argue their stance based on what evidence is available. But when you do like Marvel or DC or X-Files or Barney versus some Star Wars character, you have to find that common ground or let the thread turn into this... a mess of back and forth with no give either way.

It's like in the Wolverine versus Maul thread- Marvel comics narration and key characters claim Adamantium is indestructible. But that's impossible by the laws of nature. It's a solid object and a metal, but it couldn't be indestructible. To be indestructible, adamantium would have to have some bizarre ass electromagnetic properties. And if it had those, there is no way they could meld to flesh, since they could never be made to specifications. Also, adamantium is clearly malleable. In the Fatal Attractions series, Magento rips Wolvie's metal straight out, and it bends and twists. If he can do that, it's malleable. If it's malleable, it has properties of "lesser metals". And this includes being a liquid moving extremely slow at room temperature. Thus, a lightsaber would superheat the metal and cause it to distort. Period.

hmmm, but that all was explained in the second movie, the only way to get it to its liquid form is to add its components together while at super heated temperatures, and most "say" its indistructable but no one knows wether its true or not

Yeah, um, Magneto is not from Star Wars, so why any of you bothered to debate it is beyond me. *kills Darth Avis as requested*

Magnevus, are you a sock of Simus?

The movie isn't what you would call comic "canon" really. It takes off on its own.

The comics themselves don't touch on the issue. Then again, they have superpowers that wouldn't be real super if they tried to scientifically rationalize them.

true

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
and most "say" its indistructable but no one knows wether its true or not ............indEstructable..............wHether...........

You're gonna get tired of me soon.........

okay no one wins i was making sure

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
also don't start with the force lighting thing, magneto could counter that simply by makeing the magnetic fieald around himself the same polerization as the lightning and deflect it

Force lightning ? I'm talking about one of Luke's unique abilities and this is "instakill" - he basically raises his hands, shoots that stuff off and you're dead when it hits you and this would give Magneto no reaction time to build a magnetic field around himself the same polerization.

And hell...Magneto's powers didn't stop Xavier from lobotomizing him via psyonic powers so why do people think he can "block" force attacks ? Lightning maybe since that is energy but a force chocke, mind affecting force abilities or an ordinary "force push" are most likely not "blockable" for him - and if Obi-Wan can force push General Grievous 10 or 20 metres high than NJO Luke might push Magneto right out of the atmosphere.

Not even mentioning that Luke can make himself invisible and simply stab Magneto with a lightsaber if he likes to do that...

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Force lightning ? I'm talking about one of Luke's unique abilities and this is "instakill" - he basically raises his hands, shoots that stuff off and you're dead when it hits you and this would give Magneto no reaction time to build a magnetic field around himself the same polerization.

And hell...Magneto's powers didn't stop Xavier from lobotomizing him via psyonic powers so why do people think he can "block" force attacks ? Lightning maybe since that is energy but a force chocke, mind affecting force abilities or an ordinary "force push" are most likely not "blockable" for him - and if Obi-Wan can force push General Grievous 10 or 20 metres high than NJO Luke might push Magneto right out of the atmosphere.

Not even mentioning that Luke can make himself invisible and simply stab Magneto with a lightsaber if he likes to do that...

I could almost agree - begrudgingly or otherwise - except with the final part.

Magneto can detect metals and magnetic waves - and if NJO Luke could do it - I doubt it's anything close to Magneto. So, Magneto could feel the metallic saber, and if he couldn't rip it away - which I also have a hard time believing - he could perhaps get away before Luke could kill him.

Someone kill this thread...it has made to many friends into enemies...

Originally posted by Veneficus
Someone kill this thread...it has made to many friends into enemies... I know. Why people?! WHY?!

Can't we all just....get along?

forget it Janus is right we cant compare these guys

Heres how the fight would go: They start then magneto's falls to the ground dead because Luke broke his bones, crushed his organs, and broke his spinal cord just by not even moving.

this thread was dead for a reason!

Rex is going to close this thread...

Magneto. Possible scenarios:

#1 - Magneto flips Lukes Lightsaber around in his own hands and slices him in half.

#2 - Magneto seals Luke in a chamber of metal on Coruscant, then slowly crushes him (Or quickly).

Your assuming that Luke will even give him the time to do such a thing.

*Luke uses force speed and rips through Magneto with his saber

*Luke opens a blackhole and chucks Magneto through it

*Luke uses an instakill and Magneto drops dead

Your very stupid, instead of listing unsupported scenario's (see how easy it was for me) provide backup and support for your argument.

lol. Since when can Luke open up a blackhole? I thought he could only manipulate them.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
lol. Since when can Luke open up a blackhole? I thought he could only manipulate them.

He cant, these Luke fanboys will pull all sorts of things out of their ass to win a debate. Luke never even manipulated a black hole, he manipulated an artificial vong black hole that was only as powerful as its reactor and so in no way comparable to a real black hole.

Ah. Dident know that.

Magneto's magnetic telekenisis is capped at 100,000 tons. Luke has demonstrated far greater telekenisis, including moving a black hole (Even a small one has incredibly high density and mass).

Basically, with Luke trumping Magneto's greatest and only ability, Ole' Magny doesn't have a prayer.

According to GV Luke only moved an artificial one. It's very possible that it does not have that great of a density and mass.

Possible... But it was a black hole. Each normal black hole is billions the mass of one Star. Black holes are described with infinite density....

Even if it is trillions of times smaller and weaker than a normal one, Magneto's greatest feat is put to shame.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
He cant, these Luke fanboys will pull all sorts of things out of their ass to win a debate. Luke never even manipulated a black hole, he manipulated an artificial vong black hole that was only as powerful as its reactor and so in no way comparable to a real black hole.

Whoa, so i'm a Luke fanboy when ive been constantly arguing against Luke, way to be inconsistent.

Originally posted by Deception
Rex is going to close this thread...

And Magneto would win.