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Both make Universes

Solar wins

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Solar wins

Ditto...or is it dildo?

LOL........ its dildo !!!

BTW, can you give me some stats for SMotA ??

I'm thinking Phoenix could win this.

Easy one, Phoenix of course.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
LOL........ its dildo !!!

BTW, can you give me some stats for SMotA ??

Solar, Man of the Atom What would you desire, if nothing was beyond your grasp? If atoms and energy, the building blocks of reality, were yours to command, what more could you want? Such a man exists. A man of absolute power who wants what he cannot have: love, peace of mind, a simple life. In a world of men who covet power, he is god who wants to live as a man...

How can Phoenix beat that He created the valiant universe

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Solar, Man of the Atom What would you desire, if nothing was beyond your grasp? If atoms and energy, the building blocks of reality, were yours to command, what more could you want? Such a man exists. A man of absolute power who wants what he cannot have: love, peace of mind, a simple life. In a world of men who covet power, he is god who wants to live as a man...

How can Phoenix beat that He created the valiant universe

Silly silly. You know this Whirly, you're always try to make a point through threads. Its a pity your attempts are flawed because of your insufficient grasp of the subject you're trying to make a point on.

So Solar can make a universe? big deal

The White Crown phoenix makes creation cyclically. Many many universes big bang after big bang, crunch after crunch bringing steering evolution back to its origin point, the Crown. The only constant in creation (as shown in Xmen Forever) whilst everything else if affected by the creation cycle.

He may be able to make universes but that doesnt place him a peer to multiversal powers such as LT and Phoenix. He's powerful but he's certainly not an integral part of existence or an equal to a representative of the Crown.

It is not the act of making a universe that defines phoenixes power and importance. Just like the consumption of planets doesnt represent all of what Galactus is about.

As you very well know Solar would lose without a doubt.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Silly silly. You know this Whirly, you're always try to make a point through threads. Its a pity your attempts are flawed because of your insufficient grasp of the subject you're trying to make a point on.

So Solar can make a universe? big deal

The White Crown phoenix makes creation cyclically. Many many universes big bang after big bang, crunch after crunch bringing steering evolution back to its origin point, the Crown. The only constant in creation (as shown in Xmen Forever) whilst everything else if affected by the creation cycle.

He may be able to make universes but that doesnt place him a peer to multiversal powers such as LT and Phoenix. He's powerful but he's certainly not an integral part of existence or an equal to a representative of the Crown.

It is not the act of making a universe that defines phoenixes power and importance. Just like the consumption of planets doesnt represent all of what Galactus is about.

As you very well know Solar would lose without a doubt.

His greatest feets are as Great as any shown by Phoenix, how can he lose
He can create an infinite number of himself each with the same power, his power is infinite.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
His greatest feets are as Great as any shown by Phoenix, how can he lose
He can create an infinite number of himself each with the same power, his power is infinite.

His power isnt in doubt. As you've already stated when it comes to battles between cosmic beings at the very upper reaches of the hierarchy its hard for us to say who would win. Its virtually impossible for us to judge based on feats as its hard to depict on panel differeing levels of infinity. The only way to tell usually is by having one character beat another or by looking at the characters importance to existence and what they represent.

At the end of the day Solar has control over atoms as does Jean. However from what i know of him his power is an external control. Its kind of like comparing the IG to H.O.T.U. Jean through her power is one with all matter and energy and so on. So its safe to say that she would have superior control over it all. On top of that Solar is just an extremely powerful human who came across his powers by accident, Jean is a representative of the Crown. She wields the creation power from which all creation stems from. Thats all what needs to be said really.

I see what point you were trying to make with this thread, however Solar isnt the character to do it with.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His power isnt in doubt. As you've already stated when it comes to battles between cosmic beings at the very upper reaches of the hierarchy its hard for us to say who would win. Its virtually impossible for us to judge based on feats as its hard to depict on panel differeing levels of infinity. The only way to tell usually is by having one character beat another or by looking at the characters importance to existence and what they represent.

At the end of the day Solar has control over atoms as does Jean. However from what i know of him his power is an external control. Its kind of like comparing the IG to H.O.T.U. Jean through her power is one with all matter and energy and so on. So its safe to say that she would have superior control over it all. On top of that Solar is just an extremely powerful human who came across his powers by accident, Jean is a representative of the Crown. She wields the creation power from which all creation stems from. Thats all what needs to be said really.

I see what point you were trying to make with this thread, however Solar isnt the character to do it with.

Differing levels of infinity (I understand you)

He also controls time and space on a multiversal scale, I don't think Phoenix controls Spaace/time like this - Any temporal feats you know of?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Differing levels of infinity (I understand you)

He also controls time and space on a multiversal scale, I don't think Phoenix controls Spaace/time like this - Any temporal feats you know of?

You really dont read posts do you Whirly?

I have discussed this many a time before. How can you hope to debate properly when you dont take note of the oppositions posts?

From the Crown in issue 154 of New Xmen Jean saw possible futures for the 616 universe and so dissected the undesirable and telekinetically rewound the universe and changed the timeline for the benefit of that reality.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You really dont read posts do you Whirly?

I have discussed this many a time before. How can you hope to debate properly when you dont take note of the oppositions posts?

From the Crown in issue 154 of New Xmen Jean saw possible futures for the 616 universe and so dissected the undesirable and telekinetically rewound the universe and changed the timeline for the benefit of that reality.

No I knew that, did you know Solar rewound the Valiant universe to erase Erica Pearces damage....hmmmmmm............

interesting

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No I knew that, did you know Solar rewound the Valiant universe to erase Erica Pearces damage....hmmmmmm............

interesting

Not really. Ive already dealt with this matter with my previous posts. At th end of the day its hard to depict varying levels of infinite power. Its especially hard considering theyre from different comic book companies. However when you look at the fact that Jean is responsible for the creation cycle of existence (being the only constant throughout) and the fact she is a representative of the Crown. Thats enough im thinking.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not really. Ive already dealt with this matter with my previous posts. At th end of the day its hard to depict varying levels of infinite power. Its especially hard considering theyre from different comic book companies. However when you look at the fact that Jean is responsible for the creation cycle of existence (being the only constant throughout) and the fact she is a representative of the Crown. Thats enough im thinking.

The Valiant Universe was created by Solar on instructions from no one, Who needs a white Crown when your the Supreme being?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
The Valiant Universe was created by Solar on instructions from no one, Who needs a white Crown when your the Supreme being?

Solar existed in a universe before going on to get powers and create his own. That doesnt place him on the same level as the representative of the Crown.

Franklin Richards as a child could create pocket universes, as an adult he could probably create proper universes but does that place him on the same level as LT or Jean? Certainly not.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Solar existed in a universe before going on to get powers and create his own. That doesnt place him on the same level as the representative of the Crown.

Franklin Richards as a child could create pocket universes, as an adult he could probably create proper universes but does that place him on the same level as LT or Jean? Certainly not. How come Galactus' clix can kill the new Pheonix in like two MAYBE 3 rounds? They are sanctioned by Marvel I assume, as it does have the logo. She's not even considered half of his full power.

Originally posted by Juntai
How come Galactus' clix can kill the new Pheonix in like two MAYBE 3 rounds? They are sanctioned by Marvel I assume, as it does have the logo. She's not even considered half of his full power.

So true Juntai

Originally posted by Juntai
How come Galactus' clix can kill the new Pheonix in like two MAYBE 3 rounds? They are sanctioned by Marvel I assume, as it does have the logo. She's not even considered half of his full power.

Galactus' clix? What are you going on about? You do realise that as per current continuity Galactus was created by Phoenix? Or that Galactus and the abstracts are just the evolved humanity of the previous universe.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So true Juntai

Oh please

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh please

wait and see GS remember Juntai is the man who proved JLA/Avengers is cannon

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
wait and see GS remember Juntai is the man who proved JLA/Avengers is cannon

Look, I'm not trying to offend you dude, don't get disrespectful, I was asking a question. Marvel has to sanction use of their characters to Wizkidgames. As has DC.. and in this game, Pheonix is bit more powerful than Unique Sinestro, and much much less powerful than Galactus. Who is the strongest clix in either universe, as they haven't made any of the All-powerful poeple in DC, like Spectre or anything yet...Why would Marvel do this? I'm sure they would need an OK for this.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm



Its foolish too laugh at Juntai he always has a great deal of information

Originally posted by Juntai
Look, I'm not trying to offend you dude, don't get disrespectful with me, I was asking a question. Marvel has to sanction use of their characters to Wizkidgames. As has DC.. and in this game, Pheonix is bit more powerful than Unique Sinestro, and much much less powerful than Galactus. Who is the strongest clix in either universe, as they haven't made any of the All-powerful poeple in DC, like Spectre or anything yet...Why would Marvel do this? I'm sure they would need an OK for this.

Interesting so Marvel consider Phoenix less powerful than Galactus

Like it's barely comparable, to put this into perspective Sinestro's Unique is him inside of a giant construct, and it has an oversized dial, and he uses quite a bit of it. Pheonix has an oversized dial and uses nearly all of it, a lot of clix and a lot of powers and high numbers... Galactus, who is even an older model, as Pheonix is brand new.... comparatively G is worth twice the point value, and has 3 entire dials before he's down.

Originally posted by Juntai
Look, I'm not trying to offend you dude, don't get disrespectful with me, I was asking a question. Marvel has to sanction use of their characters to Wizkidgames. As has DC.. and in this game, Pheonix is bit more powerful than Unique Sinestro, and much much less powerful than Galactus. Who is the strongest clix in either universe, as they haven't made any of the All-powerful poeple in DC, like Spectre or anything yet...Why would Marvel do this? I'm sure they would need an OK for this.

I wasnt being offensive. You misinterpreted thats on you so lets move on... All i need to do is point you to either New Xmen, The latest F4 Handbook or Xmen Forever and you will see where Galactus ranks in the scheme of things.

I know id rather go by the comics and handbooks than a loosely based board game.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Interesting so Marvel consider Phoenix less powerful than Galactus

Awwww you've run of steam so i see you're jumping on another hopeless campaign.

Please this issue was dealt with long ago. If Marvel felt this way they wouldnt have had events turn out the way they have in the COMICS and the handbooks.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Awwww you've run of steam so i see you're jumping on another hopeless campaign.

Please this issue was dealt with long ago. If Marvel felt this way they wouldnt have had events turn out the way they have in the COMICS and the handbooks. Point me in the right direction of pheonix info. I recall previously they had said Pheonix was latent energy let off from the universes psychics, but now suddenly Pheonix is the all powerful creator of Galactus and the Marvel Multiverse? Did they just retcon all of the original Pheonix info?

Btw, the game is phenominally accurate most of the time. Shit, a couple weekends ago we did two 20 man teams, and it turned out in the end to be Hal Jordan versus Darkseid, and DS came out on top, just kept Mind controlling and eliminating people. He killed like my last 4 guys, Wolverine, because he could keep healing, and run+gunning people with his claws and a few others. It's fun, try it sometime.


But it's still amazing to me that Marvel is the one who gives away the Pheonix and Galactus clix at Cons, and that they would allow Galactus to be more than doubly strong as Pheonix.

Originally posted by Juntai
Point me in the right direction of pheonix info. I recall previously they had said Pheonix was latent energy let off from the universes psychics, but now suddenly Pheonix is the all powerful creator of Galactus and the Marvel Multiverse? Did they just retcon all of the original Pheonix info?

Thats exactly what happened. Read my posts on this old thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7160&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=21

But it's still amazing to me that Marvel is the one who gives away the Pheonix and Galactus clix at Cons, and that they would allow Galactus to be more than doubly strong as Pheonix.

Originally posted by Juntai
But it's still amazing to me that Marvel is the one who gives away the Pheonix and Galactus clix at Cons, and that they would allow Galactus to be more than doubly strong as Pheonix.

Yeah i know its strange, but as comic book fans debating on a comic book forum are reference points in debates should always be the comics while using the handbooks as a guideline.

Thanks, I'll go read.

So Marvel cosider Phoenix weaker than Galactus and Solar has more power than Phoenix anyway, fascinating.

It depends how psionic powers work in Marvel in relates to Valiant. Valiant has psionic powers as a 5th force of the universe, hence not in the influence of Solar.

If Marvel psionic energy works as the latter, then Solar is in trouble since he already has had problems with Toyo Harada and the Visitor(two who I put about Xavier and Nate Grey in raw power).

If psionic powers are within the four forces, much less the electro-magnetic spectrum, then Solar would easily manipulate the Phoenix, converting his telekinesis into different forms of EM radiation that would possibly kill her.

So my answer is it depends, but I am voting Solar here. He has shown more variety in his powers than Phoenix has.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So Marvel cosider Phoenix weaker than Galactus and Solar has more power than Phoenix anyway, fascinating.

Grow up

According to the comics and handbooks Phoenix is Galactus' creator and he is nothing to her. Here on this comic books forum thats all what counts.

Solar has control over atoms, Jean does as well however her power also makes her one with all matter energy etc. As aforementioned its like comparing the IG to the HOTU. One offers external control one offers both external and internal control. Solar is a powerful human who got powers and went on to make his own universe. Jean is a representative of the Crown who is responsible for thje creation life cycle of existence and whose consciousness permeates over all. Nuff said i believe

Originally posted by Cameron Scott
It depends how psionic powers work in Marvel in relates to Valiant. Valiant has psionic powers as a 5th force of the universe, hence not in the influence of Solar.

If Marvel psionic energy works as the latter, then Solar is in trouble since he already has had problems with Toyo Harada and the Visitor(two who I put about Xavier and Nate Grey in raw power).

If psionic powers are within the four forces, much less the electro-magnetic spectrum, then Solar would easily manipulate the Phoenix, converting his telekinesis into different forms of EM radiation that would possibly kill her.

So my answer is it depends, but I am voting Solar here. He has shown more variety in his powers than Phoenix has.

Much more variety indeed, thing is Solar always has PIS if you consider he can just make copies of himself, all with power on his scale........ I think all outcomes are clear myself.

The Visitor was really Valiants True Beyonder and in the end he was defeated.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Grow up

According to the comics and handbooks Phoenix is Galactus' creator and he is nothing to her. Here on this comic books forum thats all what counts.

Solar has control over atoms, Jean does as well however her power also makes her one with all matter energy etc. As aforementioned its like comparing the IG to the HOTU. One offers external control one offers both external and internal control. Solar is a powerful human who got powers and went on to make his own universe. Jean is a representative of the Crown who is responsible for thje creation life cycle of existence and whose consciousness permeates over all. Nuff said i believe

I'm curious but has Phoenix shown any energy manipulating powers? Granted manipulating molecules and atoms does deal with electrical charges of the electrons in the atom, which she probably did manipulate, but other than that, has she ever shown something on a par of Solar, who pulled images out of a person's mind and made a light representation of it?

Originally posted by Cameron Scott
I'm curious but has Phoenix shown any energy manipulating powers? Granted manipulating molecules and atoms does deal with electrical charges of the electrons in the atom, which she probably did manipulate, but other than that, has she ever shown something on a par of Solar, who pulled images out of a person's mind and made a light representation of it?

Cameron, seriously i suggest reading Xmen Forever 1 to 6 and New Xmen. The White Crown Phoenix (Jean) is responsible for the creation life cycle. She sparks off creation and then ends it cyclically. Everything in the Marvel multiverse is affected by that process the phoenix is the only constant throughout.

Galactus and all of the abstracts are created by Phoenix.

The Crown by definition is the place where gods consciousness lies. It is the closest creation and any being can get to a union with unmanifest god. Jean is a representative of the Crown. She carries out its will and is empowered by it.

There really is no comparison.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cameron, seriously i suggest reading Xmen Forever 1 to 6 and New Xmen. The White Crown Phoenix (Jean) is responsible for the creation life cycle. She sparks off creation and then ends it cyclically. Everything in the Marvel multiverse is affected by that process the phoenix is the only constant throughout.

Thanks for the issues, I'll see if I can find them and download them.

Originally posted by Cameron Scott
Thanks for the issues, I'll see if I can find them and download them.

Cool. New Xmen is really good. I think you'll enjoy it.

Other issues you will need are Uncanny Xmen 101 to 137 as well as Classic Xmen 8, 42 and 43

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool. New Xmen is really good. I think you'll enjoy it.

Other issues you will need are Uncanny Xmen 101 to 137 as well as Classic Xmen 8, 42 and 43

Thanks, I read the uncanny X-Men from Claremont and Cokrum/Byrne, though

And was the classic X-Men story was with Death in it?

Originally posted by Cameron Scott
Thanks, I read the uncanny X-Men from Claremont and Cokrum/Byrne, though

And was the classic X-Men story was with Death in it?

One of the issues is the one with Death in it. Im not sure if it was 42 or 43 so try downloading all three of those classic issues just in case.

Read from this page onwards:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7160&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=21

Alright thanks, I will be checking the link right now

Solar requires no cycle or rule to make a universe he just does it. Phoenix has to adhere to so many rules she is obviously a lesser entity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cameron, seriously i suggest reading Xmen Forever 1 to 6 and New Xmen. The White Crown Phoenix (Jean) is responsible for the creation life cycle. She sparks off creation and then ends it cyclically. Everything in the Marvel multiverse is affected by that process the phoenix is the only constant throughout.

Galactus and all of the abstracts are created by Phoenix.

The Crown by definition is the place where gods consciousness lies. It is the closest creation and any being can get to a union with unmanifest god. Jean is a representative of the Crown. She carries out its will and is empowered by it.

There really is no comparison.

Indeed no comparison Solar requires no cycle to make a universe or destroy a universe he can do it whenever he wishes.

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Solar requires no cycle or rule to make a universe he just does it. Phoenix has to adhere to so many rules she is obviously a lesser entity

Not so. She saved the 616 universe and manipulated it in terms of both time and space on a whim and for personal reasons. If you actually kept up to date on comic book events then you'd know that she had actually finished her phoenix work by disinfecting the 616 reality of Sublime and disecting that future. That caused the universe to be broken and cut off from the rest of the multiverse dooming it. Because that was the universe she came from she decided to save it and she restructured and saved it with her energies. All done of her own accord and for personal reasons. How can you hope to debate fairly and objectively on a subject you quite apparrently have little to no knowledge of.

Also by your logic Jubilee would be a higher entity than the Living Tribunal

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not so. She saved the 616 universe and manipulated it in terms of both time and space on a whim and for personal reasons. If you actually kept up to date on comic book events then you'd know that she had actually finished her phoenix work by disinfecting the 616 reality of Sublime and disecting that future. That caused the universe to be broken and cut off from the rest of the multiverse dooming it. Because that was the universe she came from she decided to save it and she restructured and saved it with her energies. All done of her own accord and for personal reasons. How can you hope to debate fairly and objectively on a subject you quite apparrently have little to no knowledge of.

Also by your logic Jubilee would be a higher entity than the Living Tribunal

Incomprehensible.....................

Consistantly contradicts his previous posts

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Incomprehensible.....................

Consistantly contradicts his previous posts

Not at all. Why? Because you misinterpreted a previous post and therefore failed to catch me out once again?

Your misinterpretation and/or lack of understanding really isnt my problem.

Any time you'd like to actually point out my contradictions i'll gladly set you straight mate.

I have numerous times

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I have numerous times

Dont hate me. Learn from me

Check out the Lucifer thread someone is asking the same questions I ask the ones you consistantly get yourself in a catch 22 over the ones most people on this forum realise are damn funny.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Check out the Lucifer thread someone is asking the same questions I ask the ones you consistantly get yourself in a catch 22 over the ones most people on this forum realise are damn funny.

Dealt with

i bet both of u love pushing eath others buttons

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dealt with

only in your own mind, someone else started asking straight after

Catch 22 you prove nothing its all "your" supposition

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
only in your own mind, someone else started asking straight after

Catch 22 you prove nothing its all "your" supposition

It took you all of 2 hours to come up with this?

Any queries i'll gladly point you in the right direction until then

Give it up old man

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It took you all of 2 hours to come up with this?

Any queries i'll gladly point you in the right direction until then

Give it up old man

no it took me 2 hpurs to eat have a shower and do some work.

Strangely I often sit watching telly etc or working with KMC minimised but its not a big part of my life I am 2 other forums as we speak GS. Unlike Phoenix I operate beyond this Universe.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
no it took me 2 hpurs to eat have a shower and do some work.

Strangely I often sit watching telly etc or working with KMC minimised but its not a big part of my life I am 2 other forums as we speak GS. Unlike Phoenix I operate beyond this Universe.

Lame attempt at humour

Phoenixes operations outside of the 616 reality are well documented. Yours outside the confines of KMC are non-existent

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lame attempt at humour

Phoenixes operations outside of the 616 reality are well documented. Yours outside the confines of KMC are non-existent

exactly phoenixes They are not even anything unique

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
exactly phoenixes They are not even anything unique

someones really stretching for points here. Go to bed you've run out of steam

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
someones really stretching for points here. Go to bed you've run out of steam

again it becomes personal

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
again it becomes personal

Dont take it personal mate just a bit of fun

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Also by your logic Jubilee would be a higher entity than the Living Tribunal It's funny you should mention that. . .

Courtesouy of XMarksTheSpot

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/jubestrib.jpg

Now wasnt that nice of Cresh Whirly.

Yes it shows the Marvel Universe retconn is going well

Isn't that from the official Phoenix handbook where your facts come from GS?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Yes it shows the Marvel Universe retconn is going well

Isn't that from the official Phoenix handbook where your facts come from GS?



No just various marvel titles and handbooks.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No just various marvel titles and handbooks.

I see so that pic is official Claremont retconn they really shouldn't let him think he can write comics anymore. His american everyone knows the greatest comic writers are English.

No, that's XMarksTheSpot's rendition of Jubilee Prime.

I saw an argument I thought was interesting . . . but meh, the moment's gone too far for that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, that's XMarksTheSpot's rendition of Jubilee Prime.

I saw an argument I thought was interesting . . . but meh, the moment's gone too far for that.

Not really

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Not really Well if the moment isn't too far gone:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=327723&from=thread&pagenumber=21#post4974735

i think this battel would be a tossup both have great power the only down side is not alot of people no about solar so the are going to pick phoneix. i would give solar a 6/10 win only for the fact the he could make an army of homself with the same power level

Originally posted by supremthor
i think this battel would be a tossup both have great power the only down side is not alot of people no about solar so the are going to pick phoneix. i would give solar a 6/10 win only for the fact the he could make an army of homself with the same power level

Which wouldnt mean anything to a representative of the Crown. Do you not realise what the Crown is? The Crown is Marvels equivalent of the Presence it is the place where Gods consciousness resides. As shown in New Xmen 154 Jean works for the Crown and her powers derive from it. Through the Crown Jean has powers over all of creation. Yes Solar is a powerful man who has created a universe and can manipulate reality. So what? Jean is one with creation and controls it all down to a sub-atomic level. Anything he can do Jean can do better. Your comparing a representative of god with a powerful humanoid. Come on!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Which wouldnt mean anything to a representative of the Crown. Do you not realise what the Crown is? The Crown is Marvels equivalent of the Presence it is the place where Gods consciousness resides. As shown in New Xmen 154 Jean works for the Crown and her powers derive from it. Through the Crown Jean has powers over all of creation. Yes Solar is a powerful man who has created a universe and can manipulate reality. So what? Jean is one with creation and controls it all down to a sub-atomic level. Anything he can do Jean can do better. Your comparing a representative of god with a powerful humanoid. Come on!!
i m not talking about the crown i m just talking about the phoneix force. phoneix with the crown is like spectre with the ok from god. almost nothing can defeat them given the ok.

Originally posted by supremthor
i m not talking about the crown i m just talking about the phoneix force. phoneix with the crown is like spectre with the ok from god. almost nothing can defeat them given the ok.

No you've misunderstood the whole concept.

The Phoenix Force derives from the Crown. It is Gods creation power. It is just an energy source. Jean as an avatar is one with the Phoenix power and she works for the Crown. She is The Phoenix of the White Crown. In this position nothing bar gods power or one wielding gods power is a match for Jean. The likes of Lucifer, Michael, LT and Spectre are all her peers. They are all like emissaries of God, his representatives in creation. Solar is just a man derived from creation, he is very powerful, he can create a universe however he is of creation he still has to answer to a supreme being. He is no match for Jean

Wow..... Nice "debate" guys !!!

But Phoenix gets beatings from dopplegangers like this - is that a magneto knockoff -

If it is Solar destroys her - how about a stroke Jean on a universal scale


Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
But Phoenix gets beatings from dopplegangers like this - is that a magneto knockoff -

If it is Solar destroys her - how about a stroke Jean on a universal scale

People who actually read New Xmen would know that as her Phoenix work was required in another reality she wasnt allowed to stay in the 616 reality. And said readers would also know that phoenix must die to reborn its how phoenix works as stated in New Xmen 128 and as demonstrated in Uncanny Xmen 101, New Xmen 149 -150.

If her work involved staying in the 616 reality then she wouldnt have allowed the destruction of her physical body and she would have dispatched the doppleganger with a thought. We cool?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
People who actually read New Xmen would know that as her Phoenix work was required in another reality she wasnt allowed to stay in the 616 reality. And said readers would also know that phoenix must die to reborn its how phoenix works as stated in New Xmen 128 and as demonstrated in Uncanny Xmen 101, New Xmen 149 -150.

If her work involved staying in the 616 reality then she wouldnt have allowed the destruction of her physical body and she would have dispatched the doppleganger with a thought. We cool?

Sure looks like thats whats happening

Sure looks like she is enjoying it

Sure looks like she is in control

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Sure looks like thats whats happening Dieing to be reborn elsewhere?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Sure looks like she is enjoying it

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Sure looks like she is in control More than you'd think.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dieing to be reborn elsewhere?



More than you'd think.

because a picture with captions answers this post far better than I ever could

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
because a picture with captions answers this post far better than I ever could



And still "She dies! she dies!"

Are you even listening to us? or are you blinded by your joygasm?

Originally posted by Creshosk
And still "She dies! she dies!"

Are you even listening to us? or are you blinded by your joygasm?

A little blinded perhaps

so I'm posting it again my friend

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My point still stands. As stated in New Xmen 128 by Jean herself she must die to be reborn. Her rebirth must be preceded by blood, flame and sacrifice, but she will always come back. Check out the issue for confirmation.

If Jeans survival in that reality at that point in time was necessary then she would have dispatched the doppelganger. It wasnt as she stated in the same very same issue in a conversation with Wolverine. Therefore her death was permitted and was a necessary event for her to be reborn in the future to prevent Sublimes acqusition of telekinetic godhood. We clear?

Post the pic all you like but as aforementioned , your anti phoenix campaign is a flop. Those in the know still rate Phoenix highly and its position on the hierarchy remains unfazed.

Good effort all around though.

Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Plot device.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Plot device.

straws



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else! She died! That's all that matters! IT doesn't maytter how! All that maters is she's dead!"

YOu sound sort of like one of those people that overly promote a character, you're discarding the plot device in this scene and only looking at the outcome.

Much like it'd be if someone said that Wolverine survived the sun(discarding Phoenix's help) and regenerating from a single drop of blood (ignoring the crystal)

You are ignoring the plot device here and orgasming all over a single picture.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exactly. Well said.

Its cool though because Whirlys actions make it quite apparrent to all that his anti phoenix stance is the result of personal issues and not the result of a genuine disagreement with phoenix's placing in the hierarchy. We've made our point, his best efforts have resulted in nothing but a hit to his credibility. OUCH!!

As ever avoiding a personla argument and back to topic heres the pic again saying far more than I ever could



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Your pride has been hurt in the past and so this farce is your way of getting your own back. Your age should render you an example to us all. Shame really

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your pride has been hurt in the past and so this farce is your way of getting your own back. Your age should render you an example to us all. Shame really

Only in your mind

back to the pic (non personal whirly)



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not really I would be if I was arguing against a picture of my favourite character getting soundly beaten but i'm not doing that. Anyway why talk about me you or GS when we have the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

But then all i need do is post a pic of Lucifer getting beaten by those who shouldnt be able to but does that mean his position on the hierearchy has changed? Nope

Mere plot device.

Just a demonstration of the phoenix life cycle as described by Jean in New Xmen. If she hadnt allowed the doppelganger to kill her then she would have killed herself anyway. Just a part of her life cycle im afraid. A few panels later you see Jeans phoenix egg. She dies to reborn. Just like in her initial time on Earth, Jean killed herself on the moon and then a few years later Jean was born again out of the cocoon found in Jamaica bay by the F4. Sorry Whirly but you're just grasping at straws. Its so sad to see one who should be an example to us resort to such behaviour.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then all i need do is post a pic of Lucifer getting beaten by those who shouldnt be able to but does that mean his position on the hierearchy has changed? Nope

Mere plot device.

Just a demonstration of the phoenix life cycle as described by Jean in New Xmen. If she hadnt allowed the doppelganger to kill her then she would have killed herself anyway. Just a part of her life cycle im afraid. A few panels later you see Jeans phoenix egg. She dies to reborn. Just like in her initial time on Earth, Jean killed herself on the moon and then a few years later Jean was born again out of the cocoon found in Jamaica bay by the F4. Sorry Whirly but you're just grasping at straws. Its so sad to see one who should be an example to us resort to such behaviour.

this threads about Phoenix nice to see you've gone from personal abuse to misdirection



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
this threads about Phoenix nice to see you've gone from personal abuse to misdirection



Phoenix getting beaten again

How ironic. Ive just explained the panel for you, instead of replying with topic related talk you talk of misdirection.

Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was neede for Jean a popular heroine of the time to apper with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As wasestablished by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How ironic. Ive just explained the panel for you, instead of replying with topic related talk you talk of misdirection.

Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As wasestablished by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

Personal abuse? now good try a change of tact but.......... "jgg"

The picture it speaks



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

I can hear someone typing lots

Still stands. No need for typing. You have no ground to stand on. Let all bear witness to the actions of a desperate man. Im sorry i hurt your pride mate. If i knew it would result in this then i would have tried my best to stop being so damn witty


Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

|I was right lots of typing, but why type when a picture says so much more. Straight from the "source"

Most of the tyoing is personal attacks



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
|I was right lots of typing, but why type when a picture says so much more. Straight from the "source"

Most of the tyoing is personal attacks



Phoenix getting beaten again

No typing just a whole lot of copying and pasting

The games up im afraid. You had a good run mate credit where credits due.

And here it is again:

Still stands. No need for typing. You have no ground to stand on. Let all bear witness to the actions of a desperate man. Im sorry i hurt your pride mate. If i knew it would result in this then i would have tried my best to stop being so damn witty


Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

A long post by GS mainly personal and not really answering the picture

My work here is done off to the pub

Phoenix lost nuff said

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
A long post by GS mainly personal and not really answering the picture

My work here is done off to the pub

Phoenix lost nuff said




Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

All personal from you - the picture has spoken

I'm off for a beer I will post it again soon

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
All personal from you - the picture has spoken

I'm off for a beer I will post it again soon

Oversensitive to the truth is all. Not my problem. Have a good one mate. You tried thats all that counts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oversensitive to the truth is all. Not my problem. Have a good one mate. You tried thats all that counts.

more personal stuff, heres the picture of Phoenix dying as it answers your insults better than stooping to that level ever could

"jgg"

"I don't care about anything else! She's dead that's all that matters."

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else! She's dead that's all that matters."

Originally posted by yahman


I know some people et stupidly personal

hey like my new sig

Originally posted by yahman
Well, that's what he's saying. He's discarding all else and joygasming over a pretty picture.

But a single panel doesn't tell the whole story.

It's no better than running around posting a picture of Wolverine regenerating from the single drop of blood saying

"Wolverine regenerates from a single drop of blood! "

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, that's what he's saying. He's discarding all else and joygasming over a pretty picture.

But a single panel doesn't tell the whole story.

It's no better than running around posting a picture of Wolverine regenerating from the single drop of blood saying

"Wolverine regenerates from a single drop of blood! "

and on that note I shall post the picture of Phoenix dying again as Oki said "jgg" sounds like she is choosing to die

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
and on that note I shall post the picture of Phoenix dying again as Oki said "jgg" sounds like she is choosing to die Proved me right again. . .

"I don't care about anything else! Die ***** die!"

*yawn* Come on Whirly I expected better of you. But hey since you didn't read the comic I really shouldn't be surprised. Oh well.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Proved me right again. . .

"I don't care about anything else! Die ***** die!"

*yawn* Come on Whirly I expected better of you. But hey since you didn't read the comic I really shouldn't be surprised. Oh well.

"jgg"

I started reading Xmen with Giant Size 1 before you were born I suspect not that that means half as much as the picture. Please stop making it about people and enjoy the beauty that is the picture called "jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
"jgg"

I started reading Xmen with Giant Size 1 before you were born I suspect not that that means half as much as the picture. Please stop making it about people and enjoy the beauty that is the picture called "jgg" And he proves me right aghain.

Go whirly go, keep proving me right.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And he proves me right aghain.

Go whirly go, keep proving me right.

"jgg"

The death of Phoenix

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
"jgg"

The death of Phoenix "What other information do you need..."

"I don't care about anything other than her dying!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
"What other information do you need..."

"I don't care about anything other than her dying!"



Come on join in and enjoy the glory of "jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Come on join in and enjoy the glory of "jgg" Sorry I'm not an antifanboy. I don't feel like sticking my fingers in my ears or joygasming all over a single picture.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry I'm not an antifanboy. I don't feel like sticking my fingers in my ears or joygasming all over a single picture.



I am and I do lets all as the irish blood in me Says "riverdance" do the "jig" sorry "jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry I'm not an antifanboy. I don't feel like sticking my fingers in my ears or joygasming all over a single picture.



I am and I do lets all as the irish blood in me Says "riverdance" do the "jig" sorry "jgg"



At least he can admit it.

What are we going to do with you Whirly? You are too too much.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I am and I do lets all as the irish blood in me Says "riverdance" do the "jig" sorry "jgg"



At least he can admit it.

What are we going to do with you Whirly? You are too too much.

I think create a sensible hierarchy or at least not extrpolate where some evidence does exist but an equally large amount conflicts with it.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I think create a sensible hierarchy or at least not extrpolate where some evidence does exist but an equally large amount conflicts with it. Can't do that with you, you hate Phoenix too much to give her a fair shake.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Can't do that with you, you hate Phoenix too much to give her a fair shake.

actually your wrong, I am not keen on the myth on this forum, I could point to several other forums that disagree but it is against forum rules. Instead here goes the pic.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
actually your wrong You said it yourself:

C: Sorry I'm not an antifanboy.
W: I am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/Smilemotie/smile_no.gif

Originally posted by Creshosk
You said it yourself:

C: Sorry I'm not an antifanboy.
W: I am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/Smilemotie/smile_no.gif

I thought you meant I was antifanboy myths sorry my bad you had me confused with your use of unusual terminology.

Lets stick to jgg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I thought you meant I was antifanboy myths sorry my bad you had me confused with your use of unusual terminology.

Lets stick to jgg Obviously I meant of Phoenix. Certainly you're smart enough to figure that out.

You hate Phoenix, you joygasm whenever you think you've found someone who can beat her.

Sad really.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Obviously I meant of Phoenix. Certainly you're smart enough to figure that out.

You hate Phoenix, you joygasm whenever you think you've found someone who can beat her.

Sad really.

No I have a picture of her being killed here, I don't hate anyone, hate is a strong emotion and I have a smile on my face at the moment. Phoenix is a fictional character please stop saying things like I hate Phoenix Cresh its really not the case unless you are saying I am a raving lunatic

back to jgg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
People who actually read New Xmen would know that as her Phoenix work was required in another reality she wasnt allowed to stay in the 616 reality. And said readers would also know that phoenix must die to reborn its how phoenix works as stated in New Xmen 128 and as demonstrated in Uncanny Xmen 101, New Xmen 149 -150.

If her work involved staying in the 616 reality then she wouldnt have allowed the destruction of her physical body and she would have dispatched the doppleganger with a thought. We cool?

please read this quote its hilarious

post the scans to prove Phoenix wanted to die, your whole statement is flawed in my opinion

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
please read this quote its hilarious

post the scans to prove Phoenix wanted to die, your whole statement is flawed in my opinion

Tomorrow i will post scans of Jean saying that phoenix must die in blood, flame and sacrifice, only to be reborn. She says this in New Xmen 128 and talks of having to carry out phoenix work a disinfection in the future.

I will then post scans of Jean saying she has to leave this reality by the orders of the Crown.

I will also post the next scene on from the one thats been posted showing Jean in a phoenix egg.

Ok?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No I have a picture of her being killed here, I don't hate anyone, hate is a strong emotion and I have a smile on my face at the moment. Phoenix is a fictional character please stop saying things like I hate Phoenix Cresh its really not the case unless you are saying I am a raving lunatic

back to jgg You don't have to be a raving lunatic to hate something.

You do hate her. Your repeated actions show this over and over.

So could you please stop lieing to me?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't have to be a raving lunatic to hate something.

You do hate her. Your repeated actions show this over and over.

So could you please stop lieing to me?

'Your repeated actions show this over and over'

'No but i think they show something else '

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Tomorrow i will post scans of Jean saying that phoenix must die in blood, flame and sacrifice, only to be reborn. She says this in New Xmen 128 and talks of having to carry out phoenix work a disinfection in the future.

I will then post scans of Jean saying she has to leave this reality by the orders of the Crown.

I will also post the next scene on from the one thats been posted showing Jean in a phoenix egg.

So he gets reborn I know that but she loses the fight

"jgg" is not a choice she makes

semantics

Originally posted by yahman
'Your repeated actions show this over and over'

'No but i think they show something else '

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt


Will they ever catch on ? (I hope not)

Originally posted by yahman
Will they ever catch on ? (I hope not)


they won't!

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So he gets reborn I know that but she loses the fight

"jgg" is not a choice she makes

semantics How do you know that's not a choice she makes?

Can you give the scan proving that?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So he gets reborn I know that but she loses the fight

"jgg" is not a choice she makes

semantics

Well the destruction of your physical body is going to bring pain is it not even if it is a desired thing.

Either way phoenixs position in the hierarchy remains unfazed. I can post the scans tomorrow and then its game over really.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How do you know that's not a choice she makes?

Can you give the scan proving that?

Well played mate ... you've done well.

Originally posted by yahman
Well played mate ... you've done well.

Dont be so presumptious Yahman. Your games are hardly subtle. Youre engaged in this cycle because its fun if nothing else and the fact that Whirlys efforts in the end change nothing are what tops it off.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont be so presumptious Yahman. Your games are hardly subtle. Youre engaged in this cycle because its fun if nothing else and the fact that Whirlys efforts in the end change nothing are what tops it off.

the vast majority of posters on these threads don't agree where you place the Phoenix GS

goodnight and read back

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont be so presumptious Yahman. Your games are hardly subtle. Youre engaged in this cycle because its fun if nothing else and the fact that Whirlys efforts in the end change nothing are what tops it off.

No no no u not understand .. I be a serious Mister Fawlty I mean G.S. Cresh did a very admirable job in your absence.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
the vast majority of posters on these threads don't agree where you place the Phoenix GS

goodnight and read back

The vast majority of veterans , those that are respected by all do indeed believe in the majority of what i say. Some think Phoenix is just below, LT some think on par and some believe beyond, but thats cool, ive had great success with what i set out to do and take great pleasure in watching your attempts to influence fall on deaf ears.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The vast majority of veterans , those that are respected by all do indeed believe in the majority of what i say. Some think Phoenix is just below, LT some think on par and some believe beyond, but thats cool, ive had great success with what i set out to do and take great pleasure in watching your attempts to influence fall on deaf ears.

Even the veterans like Maestro, Beyonder etc don't believe it they are 2004 members

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
the vast majority of posters on these threads don't agree where you place the Phoenix GS

goodnight and read back

Not so. Who Beyonder and Armando? Long time members will know why that happened. Apart from that there was a noob or two who didnt no better. Thats cool with me.

The vast majority of veterans , those that are respected by all do indeed believe in the majority of what i say. Some think Phoenix is just below, LT some think on par and some believe beyond, but thats cool, ive had great success with what i set out to do and take great pleasure in watching your attempts to influence fall on deaf ears.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not so. Who Beyonder and Armando? Long time members will know why that happened. Apart from that there was a noob or two who didnt no better. Thats cool with me.

The vast majority of veterans , those that are respected by all do indeed believe in the majority of what i say. Some think Phoenix is just below, LT some think on par and some believe beyond, but thats cool, ive had great success with what i set out to do and take great pleasure in watching your attempts to influence fall on deaf ears.

I respect all members not just those who post lists GS

Even the veterans like Maestro, Beyonder etc don't believe it they are 2004 members

are you saying these guys are stupid? because thats what it sounds like, are you saying your ideas are more important than theirs?

respected by who GS the vast majority of members realise the most respected members threads are a joke, no one scores higher than me and I see them for what they are and refuse to post on them.

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Wait I want to ask though I am not siding with anyone here that if Phoenix dies does that mean that she looses the fight. For isnt it certain that if one of those character dies in any way doesnt that mean they loose the fight?